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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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6 minutes ago, shihuangdi said:

Unrelated to the plot? But why did ML give birth while standing up? I remember Madam Shen was lying down when she was in labour? Also, what is the significance of the head band worn when a woman is sick? 

When sheng in labour, the baby was in breach. She can't give birth without the doctor to correct the position of the baby. That's why she's lying down at the time. Waiting for the dr to give her acupuncture. the birthing process of mdm sheng, after the dr came back, was not shown. We have just heard the cries. 

The headband maybe to prevent cold air from penetrating the body through forehead. 

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18 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

I'm so happy that I'm crying really.. So glad she gave birth safely, so thankful to QH for helping with the fire, so happy that GTY came back on time, so grateful to all those that helped her fight of the Kang auntie and helped her in giving birth, so thankful to their son for staying strong.. In all, I'm so happy for them :bawling:

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On 2/5/2019 at 10:12 PM, matrim said:

According to the regulation of State Administration of Radio, Film and TV in China, any period drama must be set in a particular dynasty, otherwise it can't be released. That's a dilemma many period dramas face when they're apapted from novels with no specific dynasty backdrop. On the one hand they have to add some plot not in the novel but true to history, and on the other hand, they must try to keep the major storyline of the novel intact, as a large part of the viewers are novel fans. It's difficult to strike a balance between these two conflicting requirements, and so it's not surprising to see complaints from history lovers and book fans.

As for incorporating modern elements into period dramas, I think it's common practice and understandable. Dramas have to please modern viewers. If all the plot and characters are all written according the cultural and social norms of that era in ancient China, viewers would find it too boring and alienated. The drama probably wouldn't be a economic success then, a prospect not many producers or directors want to see.

Thanks for the info about SARFT. I know SARFT add and change rules all the time. How about Ariel Lin's drama "I will never let you go". currently airing at Zhejiang TV which also involve imperial family, male lead being son of Wang Ye. I don't think it was set in particular dynasty though it doesn't involve much of court politics but involves imperial family affairs.

 

First of all, I'm not saying TSofML cannot involve modern elements and I do understand and agree all your points about needing incorporating modern elements to gain viewership and make profits. Also, I'm not the novel fan (though I listened to audio but didn't remember the details of later parts) or history lover but I have been self-learning chinese language, culture and history in sort of improving self knowledge. I don't expect the drama to follow the book exactly or accurately portray historical facts. None of the historical dramas even from 15-20 years ago accurately reflect the actual history anyways. I also do not have any issue for making characters, which are already bad, more evil (like Molan, Aunty Kang, Lin Yiniang, stepmom since they already go out of their way to cause bodily harm to others from the beginning which is unacceptable in any society). 

 

However, I'm just a little disappointed with writing loopholes and think that incorporation of modern elements shouldn't be extreme, appropriate for the theme of the drama and follow along well with other elements of the drama. They made drama extremely long and illogical at certain aspects by adding unnecessary scenes to make ML heroine in every single event, to make GTY more favorable in viewers' eyes and to create more OTP interactions while keeping the rest of the characters' thought process and behavior set in Song. I do realize that they have to make ML heroine but involving her in revenge for her mother and grandma is enough to show her modern feisty side but making her talk to prostitute, and being deeply involved in a lot of court political events are a bit forced. I agree they cannot make Ronger neglected by GTY like in the novel but showing GTY who always wanted to marry di daughter and looked down on shu daughter, being so close to his illegitimate daughter like a modern father to the point of dragging 4-5 years old around jianghu in that era and having ML talk him into changing his life around for Ronger is a bit much unrealistic. It is suffice to show ML talked him into changing his life after he saving her. Since he has his own house separate from Hou Fu, he could have left Ronger there with Chang Momo. Later, they showed GTY involved in combing Ronger's hair which is very unlikely for military man like GTY to do and in OTP conversations, they kept on comparing SH and GTY which is really not necessary. The reason the novel made GTY flawed just having military achievements (without scholarly achievement) with bad reputations with women and out of wedlock children so that he being di son of Marquess (later becoming Marquess) is not so much higher and better than ML, a shu daughter of 5th grade official. However, drama had to make him achieve in both fields so that he is more favorable. They could have made him take military exam which existed in Song dynasty, testing not only physical aspects of military but also on military books and strategies instead of scholar official exam (then fail because he insulted the emperor's decision). This would have made more sense considering his background and upbringing. If they think that viewers cannot accept flawed OTPs and can't get good rating, they should not have chosen this story or emphasize so much on their efforts in trying to reflect as much accurate as possible on societal norms, custom and culture of early Song dynasty. In production team's BTS interview videos, they emphasis that they hire custom teacher to even teach actors specific details like how and where to put their hands when they greet another person based on their social hierarchy and status to reflect the time of early Song Dynasty.

I have watched a few historical drama adapted from time-travel novels with strong heroines (but had to remove time-travelling aspect) like Singing all along (秀丽江山) and Imperial Doctress which do not really reflect history accurately. These dramas also have modern elements but they present in a very subtle way that the leads are not really out of the norm and other grey characters were not seen as being evil because of OTP modern behavior.  These drama were successful though they might not be rating monga. Even NIF 1-2 from same production team were successful without having much modern elements, any kiss scenes or bed scenes.

 

The characters like SH, QH, QH's mother are acting the way they are (I'm talking about what has been shown in drama not even talking about the novel) because of societal thinking at the time. Though drama QH might have personal distrust and grudge against GTY, he was just doing his job by reporting MN's accusations towards GTY to emperor. GTY and ML could have taken MN out of the capital city and prevented her from entering again (being the head of capital army and Huan Wang's bestie) if they want her to lead to the son which they eventually did. However, they let MN run around the city accusing GTY, and thus giving opportunity for stepmom's people to make MN's accusations more widespread, leading to QH's reporting. Like QH said if there is no news related to GTY's behavior and integrity, he would have nothing to report. (I'm also glad that it was ML who set up meeting with QH, not QH looking for ML though his touching her arms even if very agitated was also very unnecessary.) So far QH character in the drama hasn't done extremely out of character of the era or his duty to deserve to be called names or evil. QH's mom is behaving the way she is because according to society at that time, it is necessary for male to marry the girl from similar status or higher to make better career achievement and it is normal not to view shu daughter highly.  Even Sheng grandma has this view and it has been emphasized many times why SH should be grateful to wang's grandma for accepting a shu son like him to marry di daughter of high official. One of the reasons grandma and SH didn't want Aunty Kang's daughter for CB was because Minister Kang's position is not too high and it wouldn't be helpful for CB's career in anyways though they are relatives. They chose Hai shi because all her family members are highly educated and her father and brothers also are officials with better future.

 

@mooose I was talking about drama making Molan and Liang Hang affair to having sexual relationship in the storage room of famous temple, spiritual place which is usually busy with official and noble families visiting, not only once but a few times (though not mentioned exact meeting times, it was meeting every 2-3 days for a few times to the point of Molan is sure of being pregnant). Even if Lin Yiniang helping arrange and cover for Molan, other people like Daniang, RL, grandma not noticing Molan who was supposed to be confined at home disappear for a few hours for a few times and not being noticed by anyone at the temple in that era is a bit too unreasonable. Having been carried by a man at that time is enough to ruin a girl's reputation. They just wanna dramatize Molan being caught by SH. 

 

@m0us3y ML was shown only hit once by SH. She was not supposed to be there without being summoned and the worse is not only being there but they fell down. SH was satisfied when ML admitted why she was being punished but later RL made the situation worse. ML then said Molan being there first when pressured by RL but Molan made it so that ML was also lying and repeating that she would take responsibility of her sisters' wrongful act. Molan's act of responsible oldest sister act won over RL's action during the time and ML was just seen as partner in crime. I'm not going to continue explain as it takes so long to explain in writing. 

I'm also making these comments as some posters here request me to write saying they're interested in reading historical and societal discrepancies with what drama is presenting. Like I said before, I won't bother paying attention to any of these if drama and production team is not focusing on these aspects. Advisor Alliance have many historical inaccuracies including Sima Yi being only faithful to his wife and he having concubine bai was forced upon but I didn't care as drama presented things in logical ways and production did not emphasize it being historically accurate. Anyways, I'm not going to argue or respond any more on these points.

 

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Looks like in this preview the step mom is arguing something in front of the emperor can someone tell me what they are talking. 

it is looks the aunt kang mom and the evil step mother with the rest of the family join hands to destroy GTY

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10 minutes ago, minglanfan said:

 

Looks like in this preview the step mom is arguing something in front of the emperor can someone tell me what they are talking. 

it is looks the aunt kang mom and the evil step mother with the rest of the family join hands to destroy GTY

I think the Wang (Aunt Kang family) wants to sue GTY for killing Auntie Kang. They mentioned how GTY cruelly stabbed Aunt Kang. Then stepmom, I think is saying something about this incident happens at GTY courtyard, implying that GTY is responsible for her death

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23 minutes ago, minglanfan said:

 

Looks like in this preview the step mom is arguing something in front of the emperor can someone tell me what they are talking. 

it is looks the aunt kang mom and the evil step mother with the rest of the family join hands to destroy GTY

Oh no!

 

Whatever for GTY to do? All he has is his amazingly harmless wife :(

 

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10 minutes ago, shihuangdi said:

I think the Wang (Aunt Kang family) wants to sue GTY for killing Auntie Kang. They mentioned how GTY cruelly stabbed Aunt Kang. Then stepmom, I think is saying something about this incident happens at GTY courtyard, implying that GTY is responsible for her death

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First, stepmom was persuading 4th family couple to join hands with her threatening that they have done many bad deeds and blamed them on GTY before and GTY would not favor them in the future. Both Wang mother and son are appealing to emperor about GTY killing Aunty Kang. The step-mom is saying Aunty Kang went to ML's house just to help rescue fire and fire at GTY's house was accident. However, GTY sent his subordinate Shitou to burn down her son't courtyard. At the end, a minister was telling emperor that though GTY is new imperial supporter, but he has killed old minister's daughter and he can't be set free without getting punished. ML was saying GTY got into trouble because of her and her Sheng family (Aunty Kang and her involvement with grandma poisoning). GTY said it is not true. His relatives will attempt to kill him no matter what and send Aunty Kang to kill him. His life will be nothing without ML and he feels his life is meaningful by waking up every morning with ML next to him.

 

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I am very late to this forum, could someone who has read the novel,  tell me if this is a happy ending? I am so tired to get so invested in a Chinese drama that I like and everyone dies in the end and I feel like I wasted my time. Things are getting pretty dark with everyone conspiring to bring GTY down. I don't understand why that awful old lady can sue him when he was defending his wife and child's lives. That crazy Kang woman was about to stab ML and her baby.

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26 minutes ago, shihuangdi said:

I think the Wang (Aunt Kang family) wants to sue GTY for killing Auntie Kang. They mentioned how GTY cruelly stabbed Aunt Kang. Then stepmom, I think is saying something about this incident happens at GTY courtyard, implying that GTY is responsible for her death

 

I do not like how they are dragging this. She was trying to kill an innocent child....many people saw her and tried to stop her.

Also they had a freaking box full of evidence against Kang aunt for the poisoning...how can this mother be so shameless as to call her monster of a daughter, innocent?

Changbai in the book was much more persuasive in contrast. He shut her up completely with his arguments. He even convinced Kang aunts brother to stop trying to protect the woman who was destroying their Wang family.

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1 minute ago, hell59 said:

I am very late to this forum, could someone who has read the novel,  tell me if this is a happy ending? I am so tired to get so invested in a Chinese drama that I like and everyone dies in the end and I feel like I wasted my time. Things are getting pretty dark with everyone conspiring to bring GTY down. I don't understand why that awful old lady can sue him when he was defending his wife and child's lives. That crazy Kang woman was about to stab ML and her baby.

 

The novel had an happy ending. Hopefully the drama will have one too.

But you can never be 100% sure about Chinese dramas. Only thing keeping my hopes up is the production house Daylight....almost all of their dramas have positive endings. 

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59 minutes ago, shihuangdi said:

I think the Wang (Aunt Kang family) wants to sue GTY for killing Auntie Kang. They mentioned how GTY cruelly stabbed Aunt Kang. Then stepmom, I think is saying something about this incident happens at GTY courtyard, implying that GTY is responsible for her death

So it is aunty kang's death that gets GTY in trouble.In a way it's good as one can prove how Kang and Qin's evil deeds forced him to act in saving his wife and newborn son.There is a strong glimmer of hope that he would regain his status again if punished,for a happy ending with his wife and children.:)

 

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33 minutes ago, dito said:

 

I do not like how they are dragging this. She was trying to kill an innocent child....many people saw her and tried to stop her.

Also they had a freaking box full of evidence against Kang aunt for the poisoning...how can this mother be so shameless as to call her monster of a daughter, innocent?

Changbai in the book was much more persuasive in contrast. He shut her up completely with his arguments. He even convinced Kang aunts brother to stop trying to protect the woman who was destroying their Wang family.

This will be easier to show ML taking charge even in court if required. It is her family matter and she was the cornerstone of the incidents.ML will show the evidences and prove GTY was the victim rather than a perpetrator.Save him, the emperor and put ED in a spot.

The damsel who rescues everyone from distress.:D

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1 hour ago, dito said:

 

The novel had an happy ending. Hopefully the drama will have one too.

But you can never be 100% sure about Chinese dramas. Only thing keeping my hopes up is the production house Daylight....almost all of their dramas have positive endings. 

Thank you so much for the info. The one thing about Chinese dramas is that they are so long and I invest so much time in them and then in the end all the leads die. It is so frustrating. I was very hesitant in watching this because I watched Princess Agents which started so good and ended in disaster. I would like to see all evil people in this particular drama to finally get their punishment.

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27 minutes ago, minglan1 said:

This will be easier to show ML taking charge even in court if required. It is her family matter and she was the cornerstone of the incidents.ML will show the evidences and prove GTY was the victim rather than a perpetrator.Save him, the emperor and put ED in a spot.

The damsel who rescues everyone from distress.:D

 

I know this will be easier to prove than something that ED frames him for. I just want this to make sense. For e.g. GTY owns the Bai family salt mines but has never managed them personally. So ED framing him for mismanagement of salt mines....that would be believable for me. But in this case, there are a lot of loop holes in the writing....which is annoying the hell out of me. This is making smart characters look stupid and on the top of that its questioning the viewers intelligence. 

First of all Kang Aunt escaping is the biggest logic fail for me. Like is it possible that ML, GTY, Changbai or Sheng family would leave a vicious woman like her not locked up...and without guards. :confused:

Another thing mentioned in the book was no one among the people involved in this matter was high enough in rank to go in front of the emperor to petition for Kang Aunt...except for GTY and ML....because of their titles.  

Stepmom getting a title makes sense now.....so she can cause trouble like this.....but why is Wang mother and son there.....son is not an official, I think.

 Somebody, please explain this to me so it makes sense.

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