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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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3 minutes ago, dito said:

Thank you. I couldn't make sense even after broke it down. Google was talking about rebellion.....bing translate was saying renegade.....I was confused why was ML talking about the rebellion all of a sudden.:lol:

I think the rebellion or renegade part comes from the idiom "众叛亲离" which means deserted and abandoned by all your friends and loved ones. :D 叛 can mean rebellion but in the context of this idiom, it means betray.

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Just now, matrim said:

I think the rebellion or renegade part comes from the idiom "众叛亲离" which means deserted and abandoned by all your friends and loved ones. :D 叛 can mean rebellion but in the context of this idiom, it means betray.

 

Yes ....deserted was also one of the words.....I was taking it literally...rebellion...deserter:lol:.

Another translator was kind of saying... walking the world alone or facing the world alone....which makes sense now that you've explained it. 

God, this language is too difficult.....so many different meanings of a word depending upon the context its used in.:cold_sweat:

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7 minutes ago, dito said:

 

Yes ....deserted was also one of the words.....I was taking it literally...rebellion...deserter:lol:.

Another translator was kind of saying... walking the world alone or facing the world alone....which makes sense now that you've explained it. 

God, this language is too difficult.....so many different meanings of a word depending upon the context its used in.:cold_sweat:

Since this  was what ML thought while revenging for grandma, I can now see why she was so happy GTY had her back when he returned.. And in the drama too, she was glad that he also really didn't care about reputation and made sure grandma was given justice.. 

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4 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

Since this  was what ML thought while revenging for grandma, I can now see why she was so happy GTY had her back when he returned.. And in the drama too, she was glad that he also really didn't care about reputation and made sure grandma was given justice.. 

 

It was after GTY came back to help her handle the aftermath of the poisoning that ML realized that she is not alone anymore. And that like grandma, GTY will always be her rock, giving her support, protecting her. I think it was because of this realization she finally opened up to him later.

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33 minutes ago, Serena H. said:

I believe because she's the oldest

Strange. Usually the oldest child is suppose to know better and be the role model. And is therefore punished even more than the younger (immature) ones.

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10 minutes ago, selen4ever said:

Strange. Usually the oldest child is suppose to know better and be the role model. And is therefore punished even more than the younger (immature) ones.

Ha ha.. The eldest was born out of favourite concubine who specialise  seducing, coaxing, whiny, appeared weak and honest. 

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@dancingbee I love them too. And while we weren't shown much of Shitou, I also loved that show flashed out XiaoTao being with ML from the very beginning. 

She was there when ML was the upright, ferocious little girl, she was there when ML mom died, she was there when ML then hide herself, showing the world only the unassuming, flawless sixth miss.

She was there when QH turned away, she was there when ML avenge the mom, she was there when ML became a Marchioness...

She was there when ML was at her best, and at her worst. 

 

And I also love how ML treats me more like a sister than a maidservant. Holding her hand during her younger days, holding her hand when she successfully avenge for her mom and found peace again...

Also whatever good food she gets, she also save a share do XiaoTao...

It's a very heartwarming relationship. 

 

Even GTY was saying they are not like master-servant like others. Always eating and sharing food with each other! 

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31 minutes ago, dito said:

 

Yes ....deserted was also one of the words.....I was taking it literally...rebellion...deserter:lol:.

Another translator was kind of saying... walking the world alone or facing the world alone....which makes sense now that you've explained it. 

God, this language is too difficult.....so many different meanings of a word depending upon the context its used in.:cold_sweat:

Well, as the novel setting is ancient China (no particular dynasty, but the author says the customs are mostly of Ming and Qing Dynasty), the language used has many classical Chinese elements. Probably that's why Google or Bing translation sometimes doesn't make sense. Classical Chinese is rather difficult to translate, compared with modern Mandarin.

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1 hour ago, Serena H. said:

I believe because she's the oldest

If we go by that theory, SH should believe the main wife over CL then?

Or SH picked and chooses whatever attributes he wants? Ie the eldest daughter of a concubine? 

 

Also there were few scenes where SH admittedly said that ML is the most sensible among the lot, never giving him any trouble. If so, why not believe her words? 

 

If we take another perspective and said because Molan played the "pity card" by "admitting" to her mistakes for failing to stop the sis, while RL was basically talking back all the way, why was ML who did not say a word until asked multiple times punished the same way as RL?

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16 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

@dancingbee I love them too. And while we weren't shown much of Shitou, I also loved that show flashed out XiaoTao being with ML from the very beginning. 

She was there when ML was the upright, ferocious little girl, she was there when ML mom died, she was there when ML then hide herself, showing the world only the unassuming, flawless sixth miss.

She was there when QH turned away, she was there when ML avenge the mom, she was there when ML became a Marchioness...

She was there when ML was at her best, and at her worst. 

 

And I also love how ML treats me more like a sister than a maidservant. Holding her hand during her younger days, holding her hand when she successfully avenge for her mom and found peace again...

Also whatever good food she gets, she also save a share do XiaoTao...

It's a very heartwarming relationship. 

 

Even GTY was saying they are not like master-servant like others. Always eating and sharing food with each other! 

Spoiler

Haha, one epilogue of the novel is about the happy life of Shitou and Xiao Tao after their marriage. Xiao Tao remains her innocent and care-free personality and leaves all the household managing to her sister-in-law, Che Sanniang. When Che Sanniang asks Xiao Tao what would she do once I grow old, Xiao Tao says innocently that she will return to ML's household and serves her again, as Fang Momo did to Grandma. :D

 

15 minutes ago, mingerling said:

what is old madam wang saying to the empress dowager here? im assuming its about auntie kangs death

https://www.weibo.com/tv/v/Hf9ewxiSc?fid=1034:4336103566859820

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She says GTY just killed Aunt Kang with his sword and she would never see her daughter again.

 

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Is Molan having a baby? In the preview, I saw Molan sitting next to a crib, talking to her third brother. I assume that's her kid? Because the others probably won't leave their baby with Linniang's kids. I really want to see what really happen at the Liang's manor after that sixth Liang found out the true Molan.

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3 hours ago, dito said:

From the book......ML's thoughts after she found out the truth of the poisoning. I tweaked it a bit for better understanding. 

 

In just half a day, Old Madam Sheng looked thin, her skin was yellow, dry and wrinkled, but the vomiting and diarrhea has stopped. Ming Lan sat on the edge of the bed and slowly put her head on the old lady’s shoulder, just like she used to when she was a child.

 

Silently, in her heart she said - Thank you. When I was the most helpless, you raised me, protected me, taught me to grow up, and let me have the courage to face this nasty place.

She has been very good at pretending. Pretending to be indifferent, pretending to be without fear, in fact, she had been afraid to death. In this strange world, if she had no care and warmth of this old woman, then what would she be? Old Madam Sheng was like a solid rock, standing firmly behind her, letting her rely on her, whenever and wherever, she was always sure that when she turns back, there will be a safe haven for her.

 

"I will not let them go," she said softly. "You shouldn't die like this." Grandmother should live to be in her 100s. Honored and loved by her children and grandchildren, and then pass away in her sleep.

"You are lonely, have no flesh and blood, no home, so they bullied you. Rest assured, you still have me." 

 

There is one more sentence at the end....but even with 3 different translators, I can't make sense of it.

@dito Thanks for sharing this chingu. I want to read this books so badly but been waiting for the drama to end. 

@matrim     Even after Aunty Kang’s death she still find ways to torment ML behind the grave. I thought Old Madam Wang was Aunty Kang’s grandmother not her mother. Question 

Does Old Madam fond Aunty Kang trying to murder her in laws something acceptable?? I saw a clip of Old Madam feeling sorry but she felt that Aunty Kang doesn’t need to be punished. Why does everyone think Aunty Kang doesn’t deserve to be punished. It is so confusing and disappointing. It’s like AK’s family also doesn’t have any morals at all. Doesn’t Old Madam Wang doesn’t know she tried to kill Ming Lan. Old Madam Wang is a terrible human being in my eyes. Her determination to protect AK at all cost even when she is wrong. Smh smh smh

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1 minute ago, UnniSarah said:

@dito Thanks for sharing this chingu. I want to read this books so badly but been waiting for the drama to end. 

@matrim.     Even after Aunty Kang’s death she still find ways to torment ML behind the grave. I thought Old Madam Wang was Aunty Kang’s grandmother not her mother. Question 

Does Old Madam fond Aunty Kang trying to murder her in laws something acceptable?? I saw a clip of Old Madam feeling sorry but she felt that Aunty Kang doesn’t need to be punished. Why does everyone think Aunty Kang doesn’t deserve to be punished. It is so confusing and disappointing. It’s like AK’s family also doesn’t have any morals at all. Doesn’t Old Madam Wang doesn’t know she tried to kill Ming Lan. Old Madam Wang is a terrible human being in my eyes. Her determination to protect AK at all cost even when she is wrong. Smh smh smh

I think someone said that Old Madam really spoilt Aunty Kang since she was little. Whatever wrongs Kang did, Old Madam always covered it for her. Hence Kang grew up to become that kind of person. I don't think Old Madam actually cares about moral, she only cares about Aunty Kang. I think she is a little similar to General Shen, they both doted and spoilt on a person, regardless of what sins they've committed. 

 

If you also think about how GTY was raised by his stepmom (before he found out how fake she truly is), then you see the amount of damage that could be done when you love your kids too much. But for Old Madam Wang and General Shen, they did it without evil intention, they just love them, unlike stepmom who did it to destroy GTY.

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37 minutes ago, shihuangdi said:

I think someone said that Old Madam really spoilt Aunty Kang since she was little. Whatever wrongs Kang did, Old Madam always covered it for her. Hence Kang grew up to become that kind of person. I don't think Old Madam actually cares about moral, she only cares about Aunty Kang. I think she is a little similar to General Shen, they both doted and spoilt on a person, regardless of what sins they've committed. 

 

If you also think about how GTY was raised by his stepmom (before he found out how fake she truly is), then you see the amount of damage that could be done when you love your kids too much. But for Old Madam Wang and General Shen, they did it without evil intention, they just love them, unlike stepmom who did it to destroy GTY.

@shihuangdi... Well said chingu and my brain finally lit up to connect the dots. Thanks for answering me.... 

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36 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:

@dito Thanks for sharing this chingu. I want to read this books so badly but been waiting for the drama to end. 

@matrim     Even after Aunty Kang’s death she still find ways to torment ML behind the grave. I thought Old Madam Wang was Aunty Kang’s grandmother not her mother. Question 

Does Old Madam fond Aunty Kang trying to murder her in laws something acceptable?? I saw a clip of Old Madam feeling sorry but she felt that Aunty Kang doesn’t need to be punished. Why does everyone think Aunty Kang doesn’t deserve to be punished. It is so confusing and disappointing. It’s like AK’s family also doesn’t have any morals at all. Doesn’t Old Madam Wang doesn’t know she tried to kill Ming Lan. Old Madam Wang is a terrible human being in my eyes. Her determination to protect AK at all cost even when she is wrong. Smh smh smh

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In the novel Old Madam Wang accepts, though reluctantly, that Aunt Kang is to be sent into prison (specifically for guily ladies from noble and official families) for life. To save her daughter, she even threatens Sheng house with their reputation and career future. The last straw is from CB, who says he will bring the case to court if Wang house don't accept the punishment, even at the cost of his career. He really plays an important role in handling the matter, negotiating and persuading multiple parties. And yes, Old Madam Wang doesn't occupy moral high ground and in the drama she even stoops lower.  

 

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Huh, so no new eps today but there is a First Love Couple version now, I guess I'll take it. :sweatingbullets:

 

Takes scenes from past episodes I forgot how cute this drama was hahaha

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1 hour ago, shihuangdi said:

Is Molan having a baby? In the preview, I saw Molan sitting next to a crib, talking to her third brother. I assume that's her kid? Because the others probably won't leave their baby with Linniang's kids. I really want to see what really happen at the Liang's manor after that sixth Liang found out the true Molan.

 

I think its Changfeng's baby daughter.

In the book she was asking him to beg their father to bring Lin niang back to see her grandchildren. (Not possible in the drama)

But Changfeng's wife was a very smart woman and kept him away from Molan's nasty tricks. As this was just a way to break the peace in the Sheng House. After Changfeng's daughter was born everybody thought CF would be disappointed with a girl child but he was actually very happy. The birth of this child actually mended relations between the siblings. The reason being Changfeng's daughter was the spitting image of Hualan. So Hualan and Minglan got attached to her. Because of this Changfeng's relationship with his other sisters got better. Molan hated that...and tried to sow discord between them...with this bring mommy back trick.

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5 hours ago, dito said:

 

"I will not let them go," she said softly. "You shouldn't die like this." Grandmother should live to be in her 100s. Honored and loved by her children and grandchildren, and then pass away in her sleep.

"You are lonely, have no flesh and blood, no home, so they bullied you. Rest assured, you still have me." 

 

There is one more sentence at the end....but even with 3 different translators, I can't make sense of it.

 

When I mtl’d the book I was really moved by what ml said here. As a time traveller she can see how pitiful grandma really is, that “you still have me” is really sad, because in that house they do only have each other

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