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I really feel angry towards general shen's sister. Stupid woman. No wonder the noble ladies of bianjiang laughed at her.. How come she blamed ml for the punishment meted to concubine zhou. Didn't she realised the punishment was light enough for the crime committed.. Attempting murder against your superior. General Sheng also as stupid as her sister. Preventing eunuch from executing punishment meted by the ED to the concubine. Thus, he fell into ED trap. Luckily the empress has such a great heart and wisdom (of course on ml's advise) to ask forgiveness from ED. :crazy:

Love the conversation between grandma and ml, where ml told about her conversation with empress. Grandma remarked that id ml is a man, she will not lost to SH & CB. ML teasingly replied that grandma actually praised herself, because she's the one who raised her. :joy:

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I believe Gu Ting Ye went to thank Qi Heng for saving Ming Lan but where did Qi Heng's wife got the idea that Gu Ting Ye would harm Qi Heng is beyond me. That woman has very poor deduction skills.

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There's always more than meets the eyes. 

Show did well in showing us layers of the character. 

That beneath each surface, everyone has their own story, and reason..

Whether or not those reasons are something we could agree with, we were given characters that weren't just born evil..

 

On the surface, Mdm Qin is a soft-spoken, virtuous madam of Gu. 

Yet, beneath that surface, is a highly manipulative and scheming woman, trying to hold onto the power of Marquis. 

But even deeper than that, is merely a woman who directed her anger, jealousy and resentment to all the wrong people and places. 

She's jealous of her elder sis. Inferior in every way (not suited for child bearing, not good enough for managing household, short life, sickly), yet she got loved by Marquis Gu in a way she never got. 

For it may have all just happened from 1 mistake...she hoped. Hoped that Marquis would 1 day let go of her sis and love her. 

Then the disappointment, resentment, anger. 

She may have then turned her focus on power, and ensuring her son succeed the title..

GTY-ML is driving her to the edge of insanity, for they are a shadow of what her sis and Marquis Gu...ML supposedly inferior in her background, as a Shu daughter of a lower official, yet GTY being so in love, and passionate to her, and they are so supportive of each other. 

Pitiable person, but with unpardonable sins...

 

On the flip side of the coin, there is, on the surface, a weak, docile, meek, unassuming Shu daughter of a lowly scholar who suddenly got lucky to reach the higher branch, marrying up to a Marquis as main wife. 

Yet, underneath, ML is highly intelligent, calm, witty, sharp, ferocious, an astute woman. 

Whilst the world sees she got lucky, in reality, GTY is the lucky one as his family is really a big pile of mess, and comes with a lot of baggages, including a child, and a crazy ex. 

She's just been going into one battle after another since she married him. 

GTY knew from Day 1 that he's the lucky one, which he admitted to her on their wedding night. 

Once, Danju said that Miss is lucky to marry Dr He (before the couz appears), and XiaoTao corrected her, "No, whoever that marries Miss is the lucky one"...that sentiment was apt. 

 

That while the world sees what a person chooses to let them see, those closest to them, and those willing to see beneath the surface, understand. 

 

Given, ML did get lucky because GTY really loves her..but even if she ended up in a loveless marriage, she made a conscious choice, that she will live in peace. 

 

Show did well to flash out while some are born privileged, and entitled, others unfavoured and lowly, they are free to make choices in life. 

Even if they may not get to choose their marriage or career, they could still choose the path they want to walk with the cards they hold. 

Whether to live driven by greed, fulfilled by hatred and resentment, or to live merely in peace with the heart, is a choice that everyone has...

 

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1 minute ago, Jackie1048 said:

I believe Gu Ting Ye went to thank Wi Heng for saving Ming Lan but where did Qi Heng's wife got the idea that Gu Ting Ye would harm Qi Heng is beyond me. That woman has very poor deduction skills.

It doesn't matter whether there is a probability for that or not.. As long as she can put a huge show of caring and loving the hubby, then she succeed to win the hubby's affection. And qh was not equipped to understand woman's manipulation. :D

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5 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

There's always more than meets the eyes. 

Show did well in showing us layers of the character. 

That beneath each surface, everyone has their own story, and reason..

Whether or not those reasons are something we could agree with, we were given characters that weren't just born evil..

 

On the surface, Mdm Qin is a soft-spoken, virtuous madam of Gu. 

Yet, beneath that surface, is a highly manipulative and scheming woman, trying to hold onto the power of Marquis. 

But even deeper than that, is merely a woman who directed her anger, jealousy and resentment to all the wrong people and places. 

She's jealous of her elder sis. Inferior in every way (not suited for child bearing, not good enough for managing household, short life, sickly), yet she got loved by Marquis Gu in a way she never got. 

For it may have all just happened from 1 mistake...she hoped. Hoped that Marquis would 1 day let go of her sis and love her. 

Then the disappointment, resentment, anger. 

She may have then turned her focus on power, and ensuring her son succeed the title..

GTY-ML is driving her to the edge of insanity, for they are a shadow of what her sis and Marquis Gu...ML supposedly inferior in her background, as a Shu daughter of a lower official, yet GTY being so in love, and passionate to her, and they are so supportive of each other. 

Pitiable person, but with unpardonable sins...

 

On the flip side of the coin, there is, on the surface, a weak, docile, meek, unassuming Shu daughter of a lowly scholar who suddenly got lucky to reach the higher branch, marrying up to a Marquis as main wife. 

Yet, underneath, ML is highly intelligent, calm, witty, sharp, ferocious, an astute woman. 

Whilst the world sees she got lucky, in reality, GTY is the lucky one as his family is really a big pile of mess, and comes with a lot of baggages, including a child, and a crazy ex. 

She's just been going into one battle after another since she married him. 

GTY knew from Day 1 that he's the lucky one, which he admitted to her on their wedding night. 

Once, Danju said that Miss is lucky to marry Dr He (before the couz appears), and XiaoTao corrected her, "No, whoever that marries Miss is the lucky one"...that sentiment was apt. 

 

That while the world sees what a person chooses to let them see, those closest to them, and those willing to see beneath the surface, understand. 

 

Given, ML did get lucky because GTY really loves her..but even if she ended up in a loveless marriage, she made a conscious choice, that she will live in peace. 

 

Show did well to flash out while some are born privileged, and entitled, others unfavoured and lowly, they are free to make choices in life. 

Even if they may not get to choose their marriage or career, they could still choose the path they want to walk with the cards they hold. 

Whether to live driven by greed, fulfilled by hatred and resentment, or to live merely in peace with the heart, is a choice that everyone has...

 

Awww.. I love xiaotao. She's knows ml well and loyal to her. She's not that confused after all, just when ml talks in riddles.. Ha ha

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2 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

Awww.. I love xiaotao. She's knows ml well and loyal to her. She's not that confused after all, just when ml talks in riddles.. Ha ha

I also love how cute XiaoTao is when she lashes out on Shitou when it's GTY that annoyed ML, although she knows it's not Shitou's fault. :lol:

 

She's also totally loyal to ML. In the preview ML got mad at GTY and he asked XiaoTao to help him with his outer robe, and ML asked her not to, she totally just stood there and not do a thing! :lol:

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5 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

I also love how cute XiaoTao is when she lashes out on Shitou when it's GTY that annoyed ML, although she knows it's not Shitou's fault. :lol:

 

She's also totally loyal to ML. In the preview ML got mad at GTY and he asked XiaoTao to help him with his outer robe, and ML asked her not to, she totally just stood there and not do a thing! :lol:

She got confused lol.. Ml has transformed to a fish wife. Not the same calm and collected ml. Sulking and jealous.. Gty got his wish. A temperamental wife. Ha ha:joy:

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@Golden Flower it's always interesting to read your analysis. They are always on another perspective. :)

We may agree or disagree, but we could at least see or understand. 

 

Just one thing tho. 

On the incident where the 3 girls fell out and embarrassed the family, but only RL and ML Got punished..

I agree that SH didn't know Molan instigated it. But he also didn't know If RL or ML did. 

It was ML's words against RL and ML. 

Yet he chose to believe Molan and punished the other 2. 

If he really doesnt know who instigated, should he punished all 3 the same way?

Why then did Molan got away scot free?

 

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13 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

 

 

@nichiwoohee I never said that people cannot discuss or express their opinions. I also never mentioned characters shouldn't be called whatever posters wanted to call them or told viewers to stop calling them evil or stupid. I just said I wanted to point out perspectives from being in characters' shoes as over two weeks, I saw some posters misunderstanding some information, not getting full picture or a little bit too harsh/ biased on some characters as they aren't being good enough in their roles as we would like to see them in our modern eyes (eg. SH as a father to ML).  I'm just discussing my opinion constructively by quoting scenes and events from the drama and adding explanations of officials' rank. I even stopped comparing characters from drama with those of the novel as drama changed and added a lot of things. All the things I mentioned about SH are from the drama. I didn't think that any of my posts were offensive towards any posters here and I'm not sure why you're being a bit negative towards my posts saying I'm policing people and your last post sounds like I'm not allowing viewers to discuss their opinions and such which is totally untrue.  :( :( 

 

 

You might not intent to do so, but that’s the vibe I get. You and the other posters who enjoy the drama for the social, culture correctness it potrays should keep doing so, let me and others who like frivolous stuff and “blindly” follow the otp do the same. I’m sure the others are equally as bored reading the same thing over and over again.

Cant even spazz or curse in peace anymore :sleepy:

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According to the new preview....Kang Aunts mommy went crying to ED to complain. It seems its after Kang aunt dies. ED got another tool for free. :cold_sweat:

It was funny when QH flinched at GTY's bow....he thought GTY came to fight him.....and wth with QH's wife thinking her husband is a damsel in distress:lol:

And Fengxian is having a pity party with GTY....all with... I have no where to go.....my roof is leaking (not sure about this) blah blah blah.

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2 hours ago, mingerling said:

the ending cards on youtube are the worst thing to ever happen to the site! that damn rectangle box thingy is in the way of me being able to properly watch that kiss scene  :triumph:

 

 

I got you fam :bawling:

 

 

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1 hour ago, leeza77 said:

I really feel angry towards general shen's sister. Stupid woman. No wonder the noble ladies of bianjiang laughed at her.. How come she blamed ml for the punishment meted to concubine zhou. Didn't she realised the punishment was light enough for the crime committed.. Attempting murder against your superior. General Sheng also as stupid as her sister. Preventing eunuch from executing punishment meted by the ED to the concubine. Thus, he fell into ED trap. Luckily the empress has such a great heart and wisdom (of course on ml's advise) to ask forgiveness from ED. :crazy:

Love the conversation between grandma and ml, where ml told about her conversation with empress. Grandma remarked that id ml is a man, she will not lost to SH & CB. ML teasingly replied that grandma actually praised herself, because she's the one who raised her. :joy:

 

I'm mad at both the dumb brother and sister. General Shen is totally undeserving of Lady Zhang......I wanted to whack him when he calmly started eating the snack when his mother in law was scolding him about mistreating her daughter. Everyone is super stressed about the danger Lady Zhang and the child were in and this moron couldn't care less. Then when he stepped in when the concubine was being punished.....ED is an idiot...sending someone so frail to do the slapping. ML's old momo's have more strength then this eunuch.

I'm upset they changed the sister's lines. From what I remember the little shen sister was actually very regretful for being a bit resentful towards Lady Zhang for taking her saintly dead sis in laws place. And she realised that their guilt almost cost them to cause a bigger sin.

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13 minutes ago, dito said:

 

I'm mad at both the dumb brother and sister. General Shen is totally undeserving of Lady Zhang......I wanted to whack him when he calmly started eating the snack when his mother in law was scolding him about mistreating her daughter. Everyone is super stressed about the danger Lady Zhang and the child were in and this moron couldn't care less. Then when he stepped in when the concubine was being punished.....ED is an idiot...sending someone so frail to do the slapping. ML's old momo's have more strength then this eunuch.

I'm upset they changed the sister's lines. From what I remember the little shen sister was actually very regretful for being a bit resentful towards Lady Zhang for taking her saintly dead sis in laws place. And she realised that their guilt almost cost them to cause a bigger sin.

Actually @ditoit's all ed's machinations. The eunuch she sent was her most trusted eunuch. She has calculated that general sheng will stop the punishment.  The eunuch fell by himself (but make it like it was general who pushed him). This is to further compound the mistake make by general sheng and put more pressure on the emperor and empress to punish general sheng heavily. 

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2 hours ago, leeza77 said:

I really feel angry towards general shen's sister. Stupid woman. No wonder the noble ladies of bianjiang laughed at her.. How come she blamed ml for the punishment meted to concubine zhou. Didn't she realised the punishment was light enough for the crime committed.. Attempting murder against your superior. General Sheng also as stupid as her sister. Preventing eunuch from executing punishment meted by the ED to the concubine. Thus, he fell into ED trap. Luckily the empress has such a great heart and wisdom (of course on ml's advise) to ask forgiveness from ED. :crazy:

Love the conversation between grandma and ml, where ml told about her conversation with empress. Grandma remarked that id ml is a man, she will not lost to SH & CB. ML teasingly replied that grandma actually praised herself, because she's the one who raised her. :joy:

I feel the same with you.

General sheng's sister shouldn't help ping (the concubine) at all whatever the reason. Causing someone's death?? And then just walk away like nothing happened.. what she'e thinking

And i applaud ML for knowing if that's ED trap for them. And directly goes to palace to advice empress

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2 hours ago, m0us3y said:

I also love how cute XiaoTao is when she lashes out on Shitou when it's GTY that annoyed ML, although she knows it's not Shitou's fault. :lol:

 

She's also totally loyal to ML. In the preview ML got mad at GTY and he asked XiaoTao to help him with his outer robe, and ML asked her not to, she totally just stood there and not do a thing! :lol:

 

Xiao Tao  &  Shitou are my favorites. They both are totally loyal to their masters. You can tell how dependent both GTY and Ming Lan are on them physically and mentally.   
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From the book......ML's thoughts after she found out the truth of the poisoning. I tweaked it a bit for better understanding. 

 

In just half a day, Old Madam Sheng looked thin, her skin was yellow, dry and wrinkled, but the vomiting and diarrhea has stopped. Ming Lan sat on the edge of the bed and slowly put her head on the old lady’s shoulder, just like she used to when she was a child.

 

Silently, in her heart she said - Thank you. When I was the most helpless, you raised me, protected me, taught me to grow up well, and let me have the courage to face this nasty place.

She has been very good at pretending. Pretending to be indifferent, pretending to be without fear, in fact, she had been afraid to death. In this strange world, if she had no care and warmth of this old woman, then what would she be? Old Madam Sheng was like a solid rock, standing firmly behind her, letting her rely on her, whenever and wherever, she was always sure that when she turns back, there will be a safe haven for her.

 

"I will not let them go," she said softly. "You shouldn't die like this." Grandmother should live to be in her 100s. Honored and loved by her children and grandchildren, and then pass away in her sleep.

"You are lonely, have no flesh and blood, no home, so they bullied you. Rest assured, you still have me." 

 

There is one more sentence at the end....but even with 3 different translators, I can't make sense of it.

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1 hour ago, dito said:

From the book......ML's thoughts after she found out the truth of the poisoning. I tweaked it a bit for better understanding. 

 

In just half a day, Old Madam Sheng looked thin, her skin was yellow, dry and wrinkled, but the vomiting and diarrhea has stopped. Ming Lan sat on the edge of the bed and slowly put her head on the old lady’s shoulder, just like she used to when she was a child.

 

Silently, in her heart she said - Thank you. When I was the most helpless, you raised me, protected me, taught me to grow up, and let me have the courage to face this nasty place.

She has been very good at pretending. Pretending to be indifferent, pretending to be without fear, in fact, she had been afraid to death. In this strange world, if she had no care and warmth of this old woman, then what would she be? Old Madam Sheng was like a solid rock, standing firmly behind her, letting her rely on her, whenever and wherever, she was always sure that when she turns back, there will be a safe haven for her.

 

"I will not let them go," she said softly. "You shouldn't die like this." Grandmother should live to be in her 100s. Honored and loved by her children and grandchildren, and then pass away in her sleep.

"You are lonely, have no flesh and blood, no home, so they bullied you. Rest assured, you still have me." 

 

There is one more sentence at the end....but even with 3 different translators, I can't make sense of it.

The last sentence is difficult to translate word by word, as it is not very coherent. The gist of it means "I won't regret doing this (standing by your side, seeking justice for you etc), even if I'm betrayed by everyone, even if my life will be wasted." The last sentence is very important as it shows ML's determination to protect Grandma at any cost.

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4 hours ago, m0us3y said:

There's always more than meets the eyes. 

Show did well in showing us layers of the character. 

That beneath each surface, everyone has their own story, and reason..

Whether or not those reasons are something we could agree with, we were given characters that weren't just born evil..

 

On the surface, Mdm Qin is a soft-spoken, virtuous madam of Gu. 

Yet, beneath that surface, is a highly manipulative and scheming woman, trying to hold onto the power of Marquis. 

But even deeper than that, is merely a woman who directed her anger, jealousy and resentment to all the wrong people and places. 

She's jealous of her elder sis. Inferior in every way (not suited for child bearing, not good enough for managing household, short life, sickly), yet she got loved by Marquis Gu in a way she never got. 

For it may have all just happened from 1 mistake...she hoped. Hoped that Marquis would 1 day let go of her sis and love her. 

Then the disappointment, resentment, anger. 

She may have then turned her focus on power, and ensuring her son succeed the title..

GTY-ML is driving her to the edge of insanity, for they are a shadow of what her sis and Marquis Gu...ML supposedly inferior in her background, as a Shu daughter of a lower official, yet GTY being so in love, and passionate to her, and they are so supportive of each other. 

Pitiable person, but with unpardonable sins...

 

On the flip side of the coin, there is, on the surface, a weak, docile, meek, unassuming Shu daughter of a lowly scholar who suddenly got lucky to reach the higher branch, marrying up to a Marquis as main wife. 

Yet, underneath, ML is highly intelligent, calm, witty, sharp, ferocious, an astute woman. 

Whilst the world sees she got lucky, in reality, GTY is the lucky one as his family is really a big pile of mess, and comes with a lot of baggages, including a child, and a crazy ex. 

She's just been going into one battle after another since she married him. 

GTY knew from Day 1 that he's the lucky one, which he admitted to her on their wedding night. 

Once, Danju said that Miss is lucky to marry Dr He (before the couz appears), and XiaoTao corrected her, "No, whoever that marries Miss is the lucky one"...that sentiment was apt. 

 

That while the world sees what a person chooses to let them see, those closest to them, and those willing to see beneath the surface, understand. 

 

Given, ML did get lucky because GTY really loves her..but even if she ended up in a loveless marriage, she made a conscious choice, that she will live in peace. 

 

Show did well to flash out while some are born privileged, and entitled, others unfavoured and lowly, they are free to make choices in life. 

Even if they may not get to choose their marriage or career, they could still choose the path they want to walk with the cards they hold. 

Whether to live driven by greed, fulfilled by hatred and resentment, or to live merely in peace with the heart, is a choice that everyone has...

 

 

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10 minutes ago, matrim said:

The last sentence is difficult to translate word by word, as it is not very coherent. The gist of it means "I won't regret doing this (standing by your side, seeking justice for you etc), even if I'm betrayed by everyone, even if my life will be wasted."

Thank you. I couldn't make sense even after I broke it down. Google was talking about rebellion.....bing translate was saying renegade.....I was confused why was ML talking about the rebellion all of a sudden.:lol:

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4 hours ago, m0us3y said:

@Golden Flower it's always interesting to read your analysis. They are always on another perspective. :)

We may agree or disagree, but we could at least see or understand. 

 

Just one thing tho. 

On the incident where the 3 girls fell out and embarrassed the family, but only RL and ML Got punished..

I agree that SH didn't know Molan instigated it. But he also didn't know If RL or ML did. 

It was ML's words against RL and ML. 

Yet he chose to believe Molan and punished the other 2. 

If he really doesnt know who instigated, should he punished all 3 the same way?

Why then did Molan got away scot free?

 

I believe because she's the oldest

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