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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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What THE - WHAT THE is going on?  

 

Swords!  Eunuch slapping-the-crap outta that whiny girl!  Some queen-lady! 

 

Got no idea who did what to whom and why... need subs for Ep 60-61.  

 

Or a good summary...

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@frenchfan:  OK, that helps.  Was wondering who was stopping the Dr, of course we know why, so someone will die in childbirth.  

 

Thought it was kinda slimy of that consort to have two faces - talking all sweet, but nasty, with the emperor, then slipping msgs to the Old Empress.  

 

Palaces are viper pits filled with people that eat their own.  

 

 

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@linhlinh111 I do understand and got the points you mentioned since over 2 weeks ago. Not sure you noticed but I stopped commenting on any characters or any illogical scenes even though I saw some posts arguing over yours, @matrim and @gleek49 and others talking about characters and plots. I haven't posted anything for a week even if I read most of the posts here. 

 

I have never argued that SH is a great father or perfect person with great moralities.  My point has always been him and other characters I mentioned before being grey but not totally evil (unlike Aunty Kang). My intention was to point out he is not a total jerk of a father towards ML and not completely biased towards CL's children like some of you're saying.  Yes, he is not as smart as ML and grandma and a bit ignorant in things relating to women's scheming and maintaining backyard peacefulness. It was mentioned by grandma a couple of times for SH's poor ability in managing his backyard and we have been shown many times SH asking suggestions from grandma about his family issues. Every viewers should know by now that SH cares the most about his reputation/ Sheng's family reputation in pubic (in the eyes of outsiders), his officership smooth sailing and not wanting to make any problem bigger to trigger public interest! His punishments (including severity) towards his children, reactions and non-reactions are always related to his reputation, family's reputation in public and his position as head of household (father).  
We also need to remember SH didn't know about schemes of CL and Molan  like viewers and he was being blinded by their manipulations and lies. Being raised in a culture and country where beating and slapping children till they're late teens, early 20s or even married with kids if they talked back to their parents or not listening to their parents' decision/ teaching, I could understand SH's slapping towards ML though I personally do not agree with his action. 

 

16 hours ago, minglan1 said:

About SH he didn't treat all children same.To do that isn't a crime but he willfully neglected Rulan and ML.

RL had a sharp tongue so it can be taken as s reason but there was no justification provided for treating ML

so since childhood.

He used ML's logic to be saved from emperor's wrath,he tries to sacrifice her to be married to count Liang's son / GTY to save his position. He didn't punish Molan severely for trying to enter the men's poetry enclosure during the polo match or trying to harm her face and ruin marriage prospects.

He mentioned about killing Rulan for having an affair but only punished Molan to kneel at the ancestral hall.

He has specifically tried to not dish out harsh punishment to her.He even berated ML for coming home with fanfare post marriage.None in the family were displeased about the issues except  Molan and Aunt Kang because the couple had been courteous and polite.

In contrast Grandma even though favored ML she tried to help with regard to Rulan, Hulan's in-law woes.She was also gentle and polite to changbei's bride. 

I don't know how it is in the book but in the drama SH only paid some attention to ML's qualities when tutor Momo called out his bias.

I used "uneducated" as a general term compared to CL, did not intend to mean she couldn't read or write at all. I guess I should have used not talented in literary instead. My bad...my apology! 

What do you mean by grandma tried to help with RL? I don't remember any serious situation where grandma helped RL. Grandma wasn't present when SH was trying to strangle RL. She is the grandma of all the children and she shouldn't be biased but she was to ML and HL (she gave a lot of dowries to both of them especially more to ML since she raised them). I'm pretty sure she gives a couple to RL though it wasn't shown. However, Grandma has never shown any interest or care for Molan and CF as they're CL's children. CB, ML and RL are children of Daniang who has big dowry from Wang family as well as Wang family as support. ML has grandma's support and honors and properties being raised by her. So, isn't it normal for SH to think that Molan, shu daughter raised by concubine, was being the most disadvantaged among all his children (before he found out about lies of CL and Molan)?

I ONLY said SH was being fair to all his children for their marriage consideration and education.  

Black highlight, he didn't know about this since ML only mentioned it later when Molan tried to harm her face. ML also didn't tell SH about Molan talking to Liang Han alone though in public during first polo match while Molan reported to him about ML's playing with QH in the pretense of hurting ML and Sheng family's reputation. Imo, he did punish Molan appropriately: hitting her hands 20 times, making her kneel for three days or more in ancestral temple (not clear on exact days) and confining her at home for three months, for hurting ML's face to revenge ML's prior deed of throwing her with soil to prevent her from going to men's only poetry gathering (ML's explanation during the scene). How much harsher he could punish? He wouldn't beat any of his daughter on their body as unmarried girls from good official family cannot have scars on their body. Please keep in mind Molan's hurting ML is within the family not known to public. He only hit ML 3 times and RL total 5 times on their hands and made them kneel three days at the temple (actually 2 hits on RL and kneeling 2 more days were added later after she talked back to him and tried to hit Molan in front of parents) when they fell in front of Liang mama and Liang Han. This is the punishment for situation where their bad behavior was seen by outsiders and he didn't know Molan was the actual instigator. From these two situations, we can compare his punishments were relaxed towards Molan or not. 

Red highlight, I already mentioned about this in my first SH's post. Again, Rulan's case involved emperor and her meeting with the lover was seen by husband to be GTY which is way more serious for SH's consideration while Molan was caught by him and Sheng family servants who were owned by him (they signed permanent slavery bonds) without involving any outsiders except the lover LH himself. By the time SH found out CL spread the rumor of LH carrying Molan in public, she was already kneeling at the ancestral temple and CL became his focus instead. Also, RL's case being second similar accident after Molan's, he would definitely be angrier!

Just for fun: my grandpa was angrier at my second aunt who eloped and didn't talk to her or accept her back as his daughter till he died though she is the second daughter eloped. He talked to the first daughter and son-in-law who also eloped after a few years. It is not because he favors the first daughter more but because he warned other daughters many times after first aunt's elopement and second aunt still eloped with the guy he didn't approve of!!! :D :D :D 

 

@nichiwoohee I never said that people cannot discuss or express their opinions. I also never mentioned characters shouldn't be called whatever posters wanted to call them or told viewers to stop calling them evil or stupid. I just said I wanted to point out perspectives from being in characters' shoes as over two weeks, I saw some posters misunderstanding some information, not getting full picture or a little bit too harsh/ biased on some characters as they aren't being good enough in their roles as we would like to see them in our modern eyes (eg. SH as a father to ML).  I'm just discussing my opinion constructively by quoting scenes and events from the drama and adding explanations of officials' rank. I even stopped comparing characters from drama with those of the novel as drama changed and added a lot of things. All the things I mentioned about SH are from the drama. I didn't think that any of my posts were offensive towards any posters here and I'm not sure why you're being a bit negative towards my posts saying I'm policing people and your last post sounds like I'm not allowing viewers to discuss their opinions and such which is totally untrue.  :( :( 

 

@gleek49 I'm becoming like you when you defended QH's wife character...hahaha and I'm really have to stop commenting about SH and other characters' evilness discussions :D :D :D 

 

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7 hours ago, leeza77 said:

My vote:

1. Auntie Kang (ep 59, ML told stepmom, at 3 person died in her household

2. Linniang - killed ml's mother

3. Stepmom-greed/intent to kill ml

4. Manniang 

5. Ed

6.  Emperor' s consort

 

I would rank on the basis of motivation/intent

 

Top 3 and 6 actually care for their children. Yes, they are largely motivated by greed but also to benefit their kids.

 

ED is a power player but still shows glimpses of compassion, she's not pure evil. In terms of killings, she would probably have 'offed' more people than Aunty Kang ( the Emperor had only one son...)

 

The only pure evil is Manniang. She sees people only as tools. Devoid of feeling even for her own kids. Willing to betray and kill for no real benefit.

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19 minutes ago, watchumlots said:

@frenchfan:  OK, that helps.  Was wondering who was stopping the Dr, of course we know why, so someone will die in childbirth.  

 

Thought it was kinda slimy of that consort to have two faces - talking all sweet, but nasty, with the emperor, then slipping msgs to the Old Empress.  

 

Palaces are viper pits filled with people that eat their own.  

 

 

Thank goodness Madame Zhang survived the childbirth as the royal doctor came on time but no thanks to Chao concubine and her brother.  Which was why I had no pity for her when she got slapped 50 times by the eunuch.  

 

The royal consort - GUIFEI is a nasty piece.  I didn't like the way she whined - reminded me too much of Linniang and Manniang.  Only a man could not see through her nastiness.  :triumph: 

 

The Empress Dowager is getting frustrated as the empress managed to thwart her plan with the emperor when she went to begged the emperor for royal pardon in plain clothes and even managed to save the situation between the Shen household and the Zhang household by asking for pardon using the pearl from her crown.  

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16 minutes ago, frenchfan said:

Well lots of happenings.  You have to watch the episodes to catch up dear :kiss_wink:  On top of Auntie Kang and evil stepmom, now we have the power hungry Empress Dowager, her spy (and niece) who is the royal consort to the current emperor who started to show their true colours.  

I don't think royal consort is the niece of ED (I'm pretty sure it wasn't mentioned) though it is true she is being ED spy and helping her by getting words into emperors' head to cause discord between him and his trusted aides, especially GTY. It was mentioned that she was from same place Youzhou as emperor/ empress and not having maiden family backup. 

 

@gleek49 @leeza77 @bulubuluI specifically mentioned FSF was doing a good job in this drama and the most suitable for married couple scenes with ZLY. He did great for scenes related to his father's dying/ dead, his confrontation scene with MN and most scenes with ML. I just think that there are a few scenes where he seems like a little over-acting and being uneasy with his mustache.

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My comment about agreeing somewhat of FSF not being a great actor was about his acting in other dramas and movies as none of his other dramas from various genres as well as none of his main lead characters gained my interest and I dropped pretty much all of them at different time point of each show. Well, For a lot of popular Asian actors, being popular doesn't equate to having great acting skills and having ability to emote different characters. Again, I'm not his anti-fan. Just my opinion which a lot of Chinese  movie critics and netizens concur. 

 

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52 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

 

I used "uneducated" as a general term compared to CL, did not intend to mean she couldn't read or write at all. I guess I should have used not talented in literary instead. My bad...my apology! 

What do you mean by grandma tried to help with RL? I don't remember any serious situation where grandma helped RL. Grandma wasn't present when SH was trying to strangle RL. She is the grandma of all the children and she shouldn't be biased but she was to ML and HL (she gave a lot of dowries to both of them especially more to ML since she raised them). I'm pretty sure she gives a couple to RL though it wasn't shown. However, Grandma has never shown any interest or care for Molan and CF as they're CL's children. CB, ML and RL are children of Daniang who has big dowry from Wang family as well as Wang family as support. ML has grandma's support and honors and properties being raised by her. So, isn't it normal for SH to think that Molan, shu daughter raised by concubine, was being the most disadvantaged among all his children (before he found out about lies of CL and Molan)?

I ONLY said SH was being fair to all his children for their marriage consideration and education.  

Black highlight, he didn't know about this since ML only mentioned it later when Molan tried to harm her face. ML also didn't tell SH about Molan talking to Liang Han alone though in public during first polo match while Molan reported to him about ML's playing with QH in the pretense of hurting ML and Sheng family's reputation. Imo, he did punish Molan appropriately: hitting her hands 20 times, making her kneel for three days or more in ancestral temple (not clear on exact days) and confining her at home for three months, for hurting ML's face to revenge ML's prior deed of throwing her with soil to prevent her from going to men's only poetry gathering (ML's explanation during the scene). How much harsher he could punish? He wouldn't beat any of his daughter on their body as unmarried girls from good official family cannot have scars on their body. Please keep in mind Molan's hurting ML is within the family not known to public. He only hit ML 3 times and RL total 5 times on their hands and made them kneel three days at the temple (actually 2 hits on RL and kneeling 2 more days were added later after she talked back to him and tried to hit Molan in front of parents) when they fell in front of Liang mama and Liang Han. This is the punishment for situation where their bad behavior was seen by outsiders and he didn't know Molan was the actual instigator. From these two situations, we can compare his punishments were relaxed towards Molan or not. 

Red highlight, I already mentioned about this in my first SH's post. Again, Rulan's case involved emperor and her meeting with the lover was seen by husband to be GTY which is way more serious for SH's consideration while Molan was caught by him and Sheng family servants who were owned by him (they signed permanent slavery bonds) without involving any outsiders except the lover LH himself. By the time SH found out CL spread the rumor of LH carrying Molan in public, she was already kneeling at the ancestral temple and CL became his focus instead. Also, RL's case being second similar accident after Molan's, he would definitely be angrier!

Just for fun: my grandpa was angrier at my second aunt who eloped and didn't talk to her or accept her back as his daughter till he died though she is the second daughter eloped. He talked to the first daughter and son-in-law who also eloped after a few years. It is not because he favors the first daughter more but because he warned other daughters many times after first aunt's elopement and second aunt still eloped with the guy he didn't approve of!!! :D :D :D 

 

 

 

 

 

Grandma mentioned to RL's mom about speaking to her daughter's family elders so that her MIL doesn't bully her.I am just mentioning a snippet of the conversation.It occured when the three girls visited their home post marriage.

 

Grandma also mentioned about discord at home with regard to changfeng's marriage.She mentioned to ML to visit her maternal home to calm matters.This to was a post marriage incident.

This also highlights Grandma might play favorite with ML but she still tries to practise fairness for all her grandchildren.

Each viewer has a perspective of viewing characters.Inspite of ShengHong being bound by the thoughts,customs of the bygone era his attitude was of neglect towards ML.

I can find a justification for Daninang ,CL to do it but the drama didn't  provide one for him.It made it out that he was  uncaring for her given the fact that she was a motherless child who took care not to put her father in a spot.

 

When little ML ran from pillar to post to get help with her mother's delivery and consequently fell ill we weren't shown any concern from the father.He wanted to get over with the unpleasant incident fast and get on with life.

Molan has tried to do bodily harm to ruin ML's marriage  prospects.It was heartless and a very cruel gesture which could have had severe repercussions for ML.It needed a severe reprimand not a harmless 3 month stay at home dictat where she could live carefree and in luxury.

 

As I have mentioned before I am not looking at him in combination of his character sketch in the book.It is strictly based on onscreen potrayal..Let's agree to disagree since we are looking at the character on different parameters.

It is getting a tad bit boring to get stuck on Shen Hong so I won't respond any further on this.

 

 

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On 2/2/2019 at 11:37 PM, purplefall94 said:

I was always wondering how women can become unbearable psychos like Maniang, Big Madam, and Aunty Kang. I still don't understand Maniang (maybe she's a natural psycho lol) but think I can sympathize a little bit with Big Madam and Aunty Kang here. Failure to receive care and love from their husband obviously contributes greatly to their psycho characteristics and directly influences their "everyone has wronged me" view. But this definitely shouldn't be the excuse for them to project their unhappiness to everyone around them. It's just so wrong and so... pathetic.

 

The actress who plays Big Madam did her role great justice in the raining scene at the worshipping room. I can feel her bitterness, disillusionment, dispair and discontent with her marriage. I mean she's definitely to blame for her wicked business, she shouldn't bottle up her emotions for all those year, put on the fake virtuous mask and eventually turn herself into a monster. But I can't help wonder whether we would have been like her if we were in her shoes. Maybe this is why I feel her evilness is more "reasonable" compared to that of Aunt Kang who hates just anyone because they won't let her have her way.

Aunty Kang's character in the drama is the worst now as she will get a couple of MN's plots instead of MN. 

Did anyone who read the novel remember whether Aunty Kang also ask her shu daughter Zhao Er to harm herself a few times and eventually kill herself in the novel? I remembered she forced Zhao Er to ML to accept as concubine but forgot the details after.

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4 hours ago, leeza77 said:

:kiss_wink: our ml has grown up.. 

https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4336110866439780

I know right, she has grown up

 

4 hours ago, dito said:

 

He asked her why she didn't even write to him when such a big thing happened at her house. ML said it happened too fast and she didn't think about it. GTY says no, its because you didn't believe I'd come.....that I'd rush back to protect you. You didn't trust me to take care of this problem for you. You don't have faith in me......you don't believe that I'll spare nothing to protect you. 

Omg.. This is so cheesy.. Wow as expected from GTY, I love this kind of conversation though.. 

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I say PO-TAY-TOE, you say PO-TAH-TOE!

 

WHO CARES if this character is bad/good/worse than other characters?  There is enough evil-creep in all of these characters, some are so incredibly deficient in the brain department, others in the 'action' department.  

 

I am so lovin' the ride!   

 

Love the sets, the costumes, the intrigue, the family drama, women constantly gossiping and trying to kill each other with words and schemes, and riding around in those palanquins with an entourage while wearing fancy silk gowns and waving a hankie or fan!

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I love everyone list on WICKEDEST WOMAN IN TSOML. I choose #1 GTY Stepmom because she is the master mind behind it all. She is so wicked because NO ONE knows her wicked intentions. Not even her in laws.  Her FITH  Sister IN LAW is clueless but Hee Sixth Sister In Law can see right through her except for the intent of murder. 

HERE ISE MY PROOF ENJOY 

 

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She is finally showing her true colors. She can’t control it anyone .

 

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 I am quite confused by Little Madam Qi mais. Is she scared of her ,does she cares for her and isn’t she scared she will die for helping her cause all these crazy schemes including murder. 

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Wow.. Kudos to grandma for helping ML with that cousin Kang's case, even ML was like 'this girl is just pitiful to have been wanted to die while coming in here, what could be the grand picture in it' when Grandma kept asking for the real truth from the cousin.. God bless grandma, ML is really lucky to have a strong and clever woman like grandma beside her,.. I was like omg grandma needs her own drama.. She is just way too clever. Wow.... I must praise ML for composing herself too in that situation, she got angry but realised, the cousin is also a victim in this.. I respect ML a lot before but that scene made me admire her elegance and gracious nature.. ML is a woman worthy of being a role model for a lot of women.. Grandma and ML showed us how true women should act and think, and the cousin accepting to become someone's wife and not be grounded by one sinister stupid and greedy mother was also a courageous act.. Every one knows what's right or wrong, but it's takes the courageous ones to actually follow the truthful path.. This scene made me proud as a woman 

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GTY Stepom should be aka, " The Puppet Master."  lol 

 

I love this show.  Anything with a strong female lead. I am so there. Ming Lan is my favorite though because she does it in that unassuming way that it just sneaks up on your opponent without them realizing it.  Granted Concubine Lin is definitely no where near the scheming of ED and SM. Or maybe she would have been worse if she had a higher status.  

 

Anyhow I am starting to wonder if GTY Dad was so mean to him because he was already aware of how his step mom was and being mean to him was a way to protect him.  Can you imagine if he was nice to him? She would have poisoned him already.  Obviously in the end he didnt  hate GTY Mom as much as we were led to believe in that he returned her dowry and  ok for GTY to be marquis. 

 

Also trying to figure out what she has planned for SM.  

 

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3 hours ago, minglan1 said:

Grandma mentioned to RL's mom about speaking to her daughter's family elders so that her MIL doesn't bully her.I am just mentioning a snippet of the conversation.It occured when the three girls visited their home post marriage.

 

Grandma also mentioned about discord at home with regard to changfeng's marriage.She mentioned to ML to visit her maternal home to calm matters.This to was a post marriage incident.

I just want to point out that you misunderstood the conversation here. Grandma was telling ML to get back to her Houfu early and don't come visit her again until after CF's marriage issue has been settled. She was not concerning herself with CF's marriage. She was just being considerate for ML not to get headaches and dragged into the fight between SH and Daniang. The subtitle in youtube was wrong as it translated "to go back home early" as "to go back home tomorrow."

I also checked the scene where ML conversation with GTY after she was being rescued from water bandits about "strategies of warring states". ML said she was told about it like in story by her mom when she was young. So, her mom didn't read the strategies to her or she taught ML. I checked as I don't want to write wrong things but I didn't believe nor mention CW was totally illiterate. 

@nichiwoohee I do not think ML looks pregnant during rebels attack to the Gu manor in the trailer. 

https://youtu.be/hOd5H6ESM0Q

 

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42 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

@nichiwoohee I do not think ML looks pregnant during rebels attack to the Gu manor in the trailer. 

https://youtu.be/hOd5H6ESM0Q

 

I think so too, she doesn't look pregnant.. But wow a lot is still going to happen, but what's more amazing is their love grows stronger with all obstacles.. I'm so excited for the coming episodes 

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18 hours ago, minglan1 said:

But for dramas history is just a prop to be taken seriously up to a point.If they remained faithful to the time period QH , GTY ,ML, Rulan,Molan and her beaus wouldn't  have interacted this way and neither the ratings would have climbed.:D

Thank you. Dramas are film industry, it is business, the more viewers the better. I think someone has already posted the same thing as you stated. And many times this drama has not stayed true according to the moors of the time period as in having CL hold the keys and manage the house at the start of the drama and making ML steward when she was a teenager and GTY a one woman man utterly in love with his wife and knocks convention to the point of being unfilial by not wanting a concubine and adding flavor to the characters of QH and Molan by making them "flawed", more interesting and lively. So the opinions/POV of the viewers regarding the characters are based on the drama presentation although there are still differences on that too. Even if the drama presented this show as it was written in the book, viewers will still have different opinions but as you said ratings would be flat.

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On 2/3/2019 at 8:37 AM, purplefall94 said:

I was always wondering how women can become unbearable psychos like Maniang, Big Madam, and Aunty Kang. I still don't understand Maniang (maybe she's a natural psycho lol) but think I can sympathize a little bit with Big Madam and Aunty Kang here. Failure to receive care and love from their husband obviously contributes greatly to their psycho characteristics and directly influences their "everyone has wronged me" view. But this definitely shouldn't be the excuse for them to project their unhappiness to everyone around them. It's just so wrong and so... pathetic.

 

The actress who plays Big Madam did her role great justice in the raining scene at the worshipping room. I can feel her bitterness, disillusionment, dispair and discontent with her marriage. I mean she's definitely to blame for her wicked business, she shouldn't bottle up her emotions for all those year, put on the fake virtuous mask and eventually turn herself into a monster. But I can't help wonder whether we would have been like her if we were in her shoes. Maybe this is why I feel her evilness is more "reasonable" compared to that of Aunt Kang who hates just anyone because they won't let her have her way.

Manniang is a woman from the lowest status in society obsessed about becoming something more than herself. In that era, there is no future for her. No matter how much she struggles, she is meant to be looked down on by others. She is unable to accept her fate, but as a woman in that era, she doesn't know how to change it on her own, so she does it the only way she knows how, by landing a noble husband. I understand her motivation and actually sympathize with her, a woman at the bottom of the hierarchy, living in a world dominated by men, she's trapped and she strives for the top by any means possible, even stepping on others' corpses. However using her own children is unforgivable. I believe she also has some kind of mental disorder.

 

Big Madam is all about authority. What she wants is her full legitimate rights as a main wife, which she never had. Earlier it was concubine Lin who challenged her power. Later when concubine Lin is gone, the other shu daughters are married off to families with status, while her own daughter married a poor scholar. From beginning to end she has almost no say over the shu children in the house. And when she tried to make a move on Gu family (spying over shu children's houses is sth most main wives would do), she was scolded by Grandma and her authority was once again threatened. That's when she lost it.

 

Aunti Kang is a result of bad parenting. Wang Grandma spoiled her since she was a child, she has always been the most favored top priority in the family. Wang Grandma never punishes her for wrongdoings, instead she always covers up her messes, coming as far as asking her sons to clean up for their sisters. Her sons have to waste many favors, costing them many chances to ascend in rankings. Aunti Kang never has to take any responsibility for her action all her life. Her husband is a jackass with many concubines and shu children. That's why she is selfish, arrogant, jealous and hateful.

 

No characters in this drama just appear out of nowhere. They all have backgrounds, upbringings, personalities, reasons and motivations to explain their actions. Some are justified, some are not. But they can all be understood and sympathized (only to a point, of course).

 

There's a Chinese saying: "There are guilt in pitiable people, and there are things to pity in guilty people"

 

@Golden Flower Your opinion of SH is pretty much paralleled to mine. I'm really glad to have someone supporting my view on the characters that most people deem evil. I just figure out after a while of arguing is that those who don't share the same point of view can never agree with each other, bc the standards they base their judgement on are different and they are affected by feelings (mostly the love for main couple), that's why I wrote my last post. All characters can be justified more or less, and they are too complex to be described in just a few words. One has to understand their backstory, their reasons, the historical context to fully analyze them. That's what I find interesting in this story.

 

 

Latest episode: I understand Daniang's motivation but d*mn she's dumb. After reading the novel and now watching the drama, I still can't understand why she's so stupid, like amazingly stupid.

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