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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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1 hour ago, leeza77 said:
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Zhang madam decided to come back to sheng manor.. Seems that she forgave her husband. The concubine was sent off out of the manor.. Maybe she was exiled somewhere, not allowed to set her foot into the city ever again 

 

SH slapped ML tonight.. I'm so angry with SH. Stupid SH. You slapped a heavily pregnant daughter. 

http://p.weibo.com/show/channerWbH5/1034:4335729455869426

 

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Wait.. isnt that the plot in the novel where manniang almost killed ml, and gty decided to just exiled her? Right down to when she was giving birth when it happened

 

I’m gonna need xiaotao to snitch this to shitou so gty knows ml was slapped 

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slapping heavily pregnant wife of gty? SH probably miss cl so much he wants to go see her asap

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@Sirry Usly You misunderstood. I want SH to lose everything. In the novel i think GTY was sent to the frontlines to protect the kingdom and he asked to bring his family with him. From what i've heard he doesn't lose his status.

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8 hours ago, sava2sava said:

@Jackie1048 & @purplefall94   I had often wonder why would they marry sisters into the same family.. Clearly at that time the GU house was broke.. Was Evil step Mom sent there for her sister child..? The Gu house was on bad terms with the courts wouldn't it have been better if Big Mdm was married off into a different famiy of status and wealth.. Most marriage then was for alliences to form more wealth and power.. Did Big Mdm not know marrying into the Gu house which child hold all the wealth..

 

I can’t remember the backstory but it probably started off as Stepmom was sent there for her sister’s child. But for some reason, I have this feeling that by that time, she was already plotting everything to become the Marchioness and have her own children inherit. By the time old Marquis marries again, his family’s already rolling in the money brought by GTY’s mom. In the drama, they explained that GTY’s mother’s existence was kind of swept aside because of her merchant background. In the novel spoilers people didn’t even realize she existed at all.

 

credit: copied & paste from Adnana from novel spoilers

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The ML is Gu Tingye, and he is the 2nd son of the primary branch in a high-ranked Marquis Family with illustrious military merits. The old Marquis had 3 wives (not at the same time--he was twice widowed), and 1 son with each.
The first wife is his great love but she was sickly, only managed to bear him a frail son after many years of marriage and died soon after. The 2nd wife is a rich merchant daughter's, and the old Marquis marries her for money (his own "noble" family was greatly in debt at the time). They have a son: GTY, then the mother also dies quickly. The 3rd time, the old Marquis marries his 1st wife's younger sister (and has a 3rd son and a daughter with her).
Now this 3rd wife is the GTY’s stepmother, but because the old Marquis switched between all these wives when he was stationed outside the capital, and by the time he returns to the capital he is married with a woman named "Qin shi" (which is the same surname that everyone knows that the 1st wife had), the details are not generally known, and the other nobles don't realize that this Qin shi is not the original wife; they don't know about the GTY’s mother, and that this Qin shi is actually the GTY’s stepmother. This only becomes commonly known when rumors start to surface that this woman may have acted with ill intentions against GTY, and then everyone has an aha-moment--because they realize she wasn't the birth mother but the stepmother after all, which would explain certain things.

As to why the stepmother targets GTY. The 1st son (also Stepmom's maternal nephew) in line to inherit is sickly and won't live long, which everyone knows, and then GTY is next in line--and is the barrier to the stepmother's own biological son, i.e. the old Marquis' 3rd son, to inherit. So Stepmom's plan from the start was to ruin GTY and get him out of the way.

GTY is over 20 years old so she took a long time planning and scheming just to get an inheritance for her son. It’s no wonder she goes crazy. She’s lived most of her life in a game of manipulations. 

 

6 hours ago, leeza77 said:

After seeing the Wang matriarch (Da Niang/Aunt Kang’s mother) and brother, it’s no wonder Da Niang and Aunt Kang turned out the way they did. I think they are a family of scholars and officials?? And in that scene, they’re still very hauty talking down to ML even though she’s got a higher status than them. They need to be taken down a couple notches for constantly covering up Aunt Kang’s crimes. 

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okay i have to know, why the hell do some of ya'll say "richard simmons"? that's a person, not necessarily a verb to describe something. 

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4 minutes ago, doubleicon said:

okay i have to know, why the hell do some of ya'll say "richard simmons"? that's a person, not necessarily a verb to describe something. 

@doubleicon  :lol:...the system automatically replaces curse words with “Richard Simmons” or something like that. I had the same reaction until someone on here explained it.:lol:

 

If anyone’s watched the argument between Aunt Kang and her husband, please explain what happened with their Shu daughter. From the way it sounded, the Shu daughter didn’t become a concubine like Aunt Kang planned.

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1 minute ago, hello210 said:

Hahaha...the system automatically replaces curse words with “Richard Simmons” or something like that. I had the same reaction until someone on here explained it.:lol:

If anyone’s watched the argument between Aunt Kang and her husband, please explain what happened with their Shu daughter. From the way it sounded, the Shu daughter didn’t become a concubine like Aunt Kang planned.

oh lol okay, but replacing it with richard simmons? lmao how bizarre. thanks for the explanation lol. 

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Earlier on I commented my displeasure seeing the ways GTY handled ML and his Gu family. 

 

.......Knowing very well (from own bitter experiences) the evil intentions of the toxic Gu families the damage they did to him.. Its no secret and its public knowledge, almost everyone who knew GTY including ED, late Emperor and current Emperor are aware of his pathetic family life history (he even used his maternal family name).....

 

He SHOULD have been able to draw a clear LINE from the very start to firmly WARN these ingrates never to dare repeat their nonsense and mess around with his "new family" and his new self earned status. Why did he allow those hooligans to even have the guts to think they can still continue to manipulate him? 

 

CB once commented when GTY had tht misunderstanding with ML, "why must you beat around the bush.. go and tell her". Even with his Gu family he went around the same way.

 

GTY is lucky to have such a young matured, level headed, patient and intelligent wife, ML. It takes the "fire" and nearly cost the lives of ML and their newborn child to finally knock some sense into him.

 

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He made some mistakes but I guess he thought that going against his family in a direct way was risky. It could have damaged his position and status and given ammunition to his Enemies. In that society you had to be filial even if the family was a mess. 

however he seemed sad when he told ml that if he hadn’t married her, she would have had a happy and peaceful life with He. Maybe he felt remorses. This is why I guess he will propose the amiable separation, to give her a peaceful life and not to drag her down with him.

IA that in the end he is lucky that ml is a gem, 

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2 hours ago, Katrina Abdul Talib said:

Earlier on I commented my displeasure seeing the ways GTY handled ML and his Gu family. 

 

.......Knowing very well (from own bitter experiences) the evil intentions of the toxic Gu families the damage they did to him.. Its no secret and its public knowledge, almost everyone who knew GTY including ED, late Emperor and current Emperor are aware of his pathetic family life history (he even used his maternal family name).....

 

He SHOULD have been able to draw a clear LINE from the very start to firmly WARN these ingrates never to dare repeat their nonsense and mess around with his "new family" and his new self earned status. Why did he allow those hooligans to even have the guts to think they can still continue to manipulate him? 

 

CB once commented when GTY had tht misunderstanding with ML, "why must you beat around the bush.. go and tell her". Even with his Gu family he went around the same way.

 

GTY is lucky to have such a young matured, level headed, patient and intelligent wife, ML. It takes the "fire" and nearly cost the lives of ML and their newborn child to finally knock some sense into him.

 

 

1 hour ago, fra8 said:

He made some mistakes but I guess he thought that going against his family in a direct way was risky. It could have damaged his position and status and given ammunition to his Enemies. In that society you had to be filial even if the family was a mess. 

however he seemed sad when he told ml that if he hadn’t married her, she would have had a happy and peaceful life with He. Maybe he felt remorses. This is why I guess he will propose the amiable separation, to give her a peaceful life and not to drag her down with him.

IA that in the end he is lucky that ml is a gem, 

It was exactly these societal rules that kept him from being able to directly draw that line. Remember,  to the outside world, the Stepmom is virtuous and GTY is the bad son.  In fact, the Emperor purposely gave GTY a manor that was right next door to the Gu manor because he wanted GTY to reconcile with his family for propriety’s sake since GTY is now a high official. The fact that GTY and ML already in a round about way ignore Stepmom has already been seen as unfilial, especially before the walls went down and the two majors were joined. They have to bide their time until there’s a hole in Stepmom’s facade in order to legally separate the Gu household since separating a Noble household was a matter that had to be approved by court. As sad as it is, the fire and stuff was the ammunition they needed to be able to get approval as well as the Stepmom’s exposure. GTY is very lucky that ML is level headed and intelligent since she understands some of these nuances better than GTY sometimes.

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4 hours ago, Lunkera said:

@Sirry Usly You misunderstood. I want SH to lose everything. In the novel i think GTY was sent to the frontlines to protect the kingdom and he asked to bring his family with him. From what i've heard he doesn't lose his status.

Oh my bad. Thanks for the clarification! :) 

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6 hours ago, Lunkera said:

It's rare to see parents like Madam Zhang's. Most of these dramas the daughters are just a chesspiece. State Uncle was too stupid and naive because the concubine is a relative of his late wife. I hope he learns his lesson. Luckily ML was able to save her.

I think that he was feeling indebted to his late wife's family.  He truly loved her a lot and deeply.  I think that the Empress said that the assasins mistaken her for the Empress and she died in her place or something like that.  So the whole Shen family felt like they owed the Zhao family.  He only recently started to love again and care for his new main wife.  I do hope that he will learn his lessons but alas, his problems is very political and seemed to impact people who are powerful - Duke of Ying for example.  ML became the heroine not out of choice but necessity.  It will be a turbulent journey for our fav couple.   

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7 hours ago, dito said:

She got much condemnation after the fire. People started questioning her pure and innocent act. GTY being the smart cookie he is, is also someone who likes to hold grudges. When he saw his house on fire....he rushed in to save ML. After everything was under control he went and set fire to stepmom son's house....as retaliation. No one was hurt but the next day when the news about the fire was spreading ...another rumor started that said it was the stepmom who started the fire and to deflect suspicion from herself she burned her own son's house. It was then people started putting things together about stepmom's action....concubines, rumors of ML's bad attitude, GTY's bad reputation  were actually underhanded ways to harm GTY and ML

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GTY went to court the next day with little burns and bruises on his face and hands and asked the emperor permission to official divide the house of Gu.....stepmom, her son, the uncles and aunts...everyone got kicked out of the Gu manor....and were given some part of the Gu property to live on. GTY and ML moved in the manor after renovating it. 

The reason stepmom went crazy was she lost everyone dear to her...her son, her grand children and it was because of her own actions. And the marquis title that she had worked so hard to get for her son was completely out of her hands after her son died and ML gave birth to another son.

Thanks @dito  Reading Makes It Worth The Watch.. Did her G/kids Die In The Fire ?

 

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SH slapped ML tonight.. I'm so angry with SH. Stupid SH. You slapped a heavily pregnant daughter. 

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SH slapped ML tonight.. I'm so angry with SH. Stupid SH. You slapped a heavily pregnant daughter. 

http://p.weibo.com/show/channerWbH5/1034:4335729455869426

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What episode is this ?  Looks Danning Side Kick Spilled All The Beans

 

6 hours ago, Lunkera said:

This is why i wan't him to lose everything. I hope ML & GTY with their family leave the capital in the end just like they did in the novel apparently. Just to get away from all these scheming relatives and nobles.

@Lunkera  I was wishing they leave and happy they did in The End..

 

Checking out those videos it seems CB even cut ties with his mom for what she did.. Even after she returns I'm wondering did her muddled head learn a lesson.. 

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On 2/3/2019 at 8:01 AM, minglanfan said:

In the recent ep 61 raw what was up with zhang's husband sister ?

Are you asking about younger sister of empress and General Shen?  If you're, the summary of their conversation and explanations are below....

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She was mad because her sis-in-law (concubine of general Shen, her name I guess is Zhou Pin) was sent off to the farmstead outside the city. The decree of empress was only for concubine Zhou to receive the 50 slaps given by ED (she didn't receive over 25 earlier), took away her noble woman title (she got one though only 5th grade and lower than ML and current main wife Zhang), confined her to own courtyard and not allowing her to serve general Shen. It didn't decree her to be sent to farmstead or banish her from general manor. Minglan suggested general Shen to send CZ to farmstead as she believed that not having her at the general house is best for the children of dead main wife (older sister of CZ). General Shen and his dead main wife have 13 yrs old son, 7 and 5 years old two daughters. Minglan said that if CZ is at the manor though confined to her courtyard, she will influence her nieces and nephew, end up raising them and current main wife Zhang will not be able to raise them. Although who raises the son doesn't matter as he is the oldest son of main wife and will receive family title, it will not be good for daughters' marriages as good noble families will not take highly of the girls if they're raised by concubine instead of main wife (e.g. Molan wasn't considered highly by Wu due to raised by CL). 

All shens including empress, general and younger sister felt that they owed zhou family hugely as former main wife of general ended up dead in saving the empress Shen and younger sister from rebels/ assassins of Yan Wang (she pretended to be empress) when the new emperor, general and Huan wang went to the capital after listening to GTY's suggestion (remember that's when they met ML, received imperial decree and tiger seal, gathered jin army outside the city and went into the palace to save the former emperor). If real empress died, someone else will become empress and their position as well as that of Huan Wang will not be as high as now. General Shen wanted to share their riches and honors with Zhou family but as the wife is already dead, the only way he thought he could do was to marry the third sister of his dead wife and give them honors. However, he was still mourning for the dead wife and he really loved his wife, (1) he was hesitant in marrying the sister. At that time, the emperor decree him to marry Yin Gou Gong's daughter Zhang. (2) So, he could only take Zhou sister as concubine. He could have helped her find a good suitable husband with power to marry as main wife. (3) Since Shen brother and sisters felt bad about the dead wife, they did not control or discipline behavior of CZ and causing her not act like concubine but arrogant (attending parties including ML and GTY's house warming party) and disrespectful to the main wife Zhang. CZ and her brothers also did high interest loaning for their own financial gain in the name of their nephew (dead's wife son) thinking that empress, general shen and Huan wang who is oldest son of empress would back them up (someone killed himself due to not being able to pay back, influenced by ED). ML explained to general and his sister that above three reasons are his mistakes allowing CZ and her brothers to end up being punished like today. 

The reason emperor decreed General Shen to marry Zhang was to get support from old ministers as Zhang Yin Guo Gong has been minister of three emperors (influential minister and general since former emperor's father) and 7 other Guo Gong and older ministers listen and pay respect to him (it was mentioned that all 8 Guo Gong families and older ministers' families who have power in the capital attended birth celebration of General and Zhang's son). By having empress and Yin Guo Gong being in-laws is not only good support for the emperor but also for Huan Wang in the future. The future emperor is usually designated in favor of empress' son over the oldest one born from other concubines. That's another reason GTY accompanied Huan Wang to protect him in his salt inspection tour (since other close associates generals shen, gen or duan had to stay at the capital due to their personal and family issues) though ML's pregnancy wasn't stable yet and empress mentioned that HW has already been faced with assassination attempt twice during this tour. 

 

Also, Gui Fei was being on ED's side, trying to sow distrust between GTY and emperor as well as helping ED in empress' Shen family downfall is because she recently had a son though she was also from You Zhou. She doesn't want Huan Wang become crown prince. It is very laughable that in the face of power, she doesn't even care that her son is just over a year old and she wants to eliminate a di prince who has reached his maturity (early 20s). If drama follows the history, this new emperor only ruled for 4 years and it has been almost 2 years. 

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5 hours ago, nichiwoohee said:

Wait.. isnt that the plot in the novel where manniang almost killed ml, and gty decided to just exiled her? Right down to when she was giving birth when it happened

Wait did step mom bring the richard simmons back ? 

 

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4 hours ago, hello210 said:
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The ML is Gu Tingye, and he is the 2nd son of the primary branch in a high-ranked Marquis Family with illustrious military merits. The old Marquis had 3 wives (not at the same time--he was twice widowed), and 1 son with each.
The first wife is his great love but she was sickly, only managed to bear him a frail son after many years of marriage and died soon after. The 2nd wife is a rich merchant daughter's, and the old Marquis marries her for money (his own "noble" family was greatly in debt at the time). They have a son: GTY, then the mother also dies quickly. The 3rd time, the old Marquis marries his 1st wife's younger sister (and has a 3rd son and a daughter with her).
Now this 3rd wife is the GTY’s stepmother, but because the old Marquis switched between all these wives when he was stationed outside the capital, and by the time he returns to the capital he is married with a woman named "Qin shi" (which is the same surname that everyone knows that the 1st wife had), the details are not generally known, and the other nobles don't realize that this Qin shi is not the original wife; they don't know about the GTY’s mother, and that this Qin shi is actually the GTY’s stepmother. This only becomes commonly known when rumors start to surface that this woman may have acted with ill intentions against GTY, and then everyone has an aha-moment--because they realize she wasn't the birth mother but the stepmother after all, which would explain certain things.

As to why the stepmother targets GTY. The 1st son (also Stepmom's maternal nephew) in line to inherit is sickly and won't live long, which everyone knows, and then GTY is next in line--and is the barrier to the stepmother's own biological son, i.e. the old Marquis' 3rd son, to inherit. So Stepmom's plan from the start was to ruin GTY and get him out of the way.

GTY is over 20 years old so she took a long time planning and scheming just to get an inheritance for her son. It’s no wonder she goes crazy. She’s lived most of her life in a game of manipulations. 

 

This is kind of confusing, Now it seemed the old marquis (GTY father) should have had 4 wives.. I know both sistera didn;t have the same name..

I don't think she waited until GTY turned 20 to decide to kill him.. I'm wondering if the incident on the boat is related to her and not the Bais like he thinks.. Clearly the Bais could have taken GTY and all his mom assets would have come with him.. His Dad only kept him to live off his mom money..

 

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8 hours ago, nichiwoohee said:

 

No need to marry her off, just return her to her parents. I bet the state uncle didnt punish the concubine, that’s why ladycame,  zhang’s father is livid. 

I hope they still like minglan, gty is close to state uncle, and I’m pretty sure the zhang wants to severe ties with the shen now

The Duke of Ying and his wife had their daughter very late in life so she was very precious to them.  They asked to dissolve the weddign agreement but General Shen did not want to.  I think he is starting to care for his wife.  Duke of Ying said that as a man, he could understand that Gen Shen was indebted to his late wife's family but they have to think of their own daughter's future.  So they took her and the baby until the problem is solved.  Here is where the ED come and played her dirty tricks.  She came to visit Mrs Zhang at her parents home and told her that General Shen refused to send the concubine away so she had sent her eunuch to punished her and supposedly doing this for Mrs Zhang.  So having heard this, she was very unhappy with her husband.  

 

  

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8 minutes ago, sava2sava said:

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Wait did step mom bring the richard simmons back ? 

 

 

 

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In the novel the stepmom did bring mn back, this is around the same time of ml’s first baby delivery. But the drama made the stepmom brought back mn before ml was pregnant, so idk what will happen next

 

one of the reason ml doubted gty’s feeling is because she was disappointed that gty only exiled mn when she almost killed her. So I thought maybe the drama took that plot and give it to the shen

 

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7 minutes ago, frenchfan said:

The Duke of Ying and his wife had their daughter very late in life so she was very precious to them.  They asked to dissolve the weddign agreement but General Shen did not want to.  I think he is starting to care for his wife.  Duke of Ying said that as a man, he could understand that Gen Shen was indebted to his late wife's family but they have to think of their own daughter's future.  So they took her and the baby until the problem is solved.  Here is where the ED come and played her dirty tricks.  She came to visit Mrs Zhang at her parents home and told her that General Shen refused to send the concubine away so she had sent her eunuch to punished her and supposedly doing this for Mrs Zhang.  So having heard this, she was very unhappy with her husband.  

 

  

 

As in mrs. zhang the new wife of state uncle or her mother? :sweatingbullets:

that’s how a family should cherish their daughter, hualan was being mistreated but sh didnt even bat an eyelash

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The granny poisoning incident is harder to take than I imagined. 

I loved ML and I loved granny and so I was prepared for this to be heartbreaking, but it's still worse than I thought...and this is only preview...

Show really set it up for us to be so invested in their relationship...

When ML sobbed inside granny's room, my heart broke with hers. And the first thing that came to mind was "GTY come back already! ML needs you, even if it's just a shoulder for her to cry on.."

Thankfully, in the next preview, GTY turned up! 

Good to see that he's there for her when she needed him most, just the same way she was always there for him when his going gets tough...

 

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