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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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2 minutes ago, fancia said:

Yeah, I think the husband, the Emperor and Empress was trying to protect her (lessen her punishment) in a way because of their guilt; that's why it becomes a problem in the palace too; In a gist, Prime Minister HanQi has to advice the Emperor saying that the empress owed to the concubine family is her personal feeling/problem but the General Shen owed to Duke Ying is country problem.

Yeah, they married her wife's sister to General Shen, mostly because they feel guilty to her family, so in a way they still want to take responsibility to take care of the first dead wife family. Not like General Shen has felt any real love to that concubine.

Sh punish the concubine severally...she's really an evil person. Very brave and foolish of her to sabotage the delivery of madam zhang like that. 

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People say "Opposites attract", which I think explains why QH and ML were attracted to each other. 

But in long run, it's the similarities and commonality in beliefs and principles that bring 2 people together. That's the case with ML - GTY. 

 

Previously, ML told GTY that he should plan ahead for Rong'er. As a result, he admired and was attracted to her. 

Later, GTY told ML "with all things, always look forward", and ML picked herself up from her fall and soldier on. 

Before anything else, they learn and grow from each other. 

 

ML's maturity and wisdom is rather impressive. 

The way she spoke to Mdm Zhang to take her out of her rut...

Fate played its role, and now it's up to her to make the most out of it. 

That things aren't always clear now, but walk on, and whether it's a happy or sad path, time will tell. 

 

It also takes a lot of maturity, and a level of empathy to acknowledge the pain of others, and acknowledged that she will never understand the unimaginable situation of the granny's nanny environment when she was growing up. 

It gives them room to actually step into another person's shoes and see things from their perspectives. 

 

ML was able to emphatise with GTY and Rong'er, despite what his reputation says. She did that with Madam Zhang, and she did the same with QH's wife. From previews, she also emphatize with the woman that Aunt Kang pushed to her house for GTY. 

GTY has always been able to emphatise and understand ML as well. 

 

In an era where everyone is labelled, and judged based not on what a person has done or achieved but purely by their privileged status or the lack of, they both have the ability to independently judge a person and his/her character, free from bias, from labels, from reputation, from what others say.

 

That makes them admirable as a person, and to each other. 

 

 

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10 hours ago, sava2sava said:

 

@mingminglanlan  So was the concubine holding the Dr hostage to keep him from saving them both.. Wait did all of this take place in the palace? Ml weilding a sword in the palace wow you go girl.. She don't give a darn..

  

Not in the palace i don't think, in the Zhang's house which is really big bcause Lord Zhang is the brother of the emperor or some other very important relative,

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53 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

Sh punish the concubine severally...she's really an evil person. Very brave and foolish of her to sabotage the delivery of madam zhang like that. 

Brazen, foolish, greedy, over stepping her place. She's a conniving snake who deserves punishment of death for even trying to kill an innocent baby. 

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1 hour ago, fancia said:

Yeah, I think the husband, the Emperor and Empress was trying to protect her (lessen her punishment) in a way because of their guilt; that's why it becomes a problem in the palace too; In a gist, Prime Minister HanQi has to advice the Emperor saying that the empress owed to the concubine family is her personal feeling/problem but the General Shen owed to Duke Ying is country problem.

Yeah, they married her wife's sister to General Shen, mostly because they feel guilty to her family, so in a way they still want to take responsibility to take care of the first dead wife family. Not like General Shen has felt any real love to that concubine.

No, General Shen doesn’t love the Concubine but he did love his dead wife. His dead wife also sacrificed herself for his sister, the current Empress. His love and guilt had previously kept him from getting to know Lady Zhang, his current wife, who is actually more similar in personality to his previous wife then he thought. The concubine reminds me of Aunt Kang and Stepmom, spoiled by their maternal families so they think they can do whatever they want. Even worse, she makes herself more public because she’s able to play on the guilt of the Empress and Emperor. No concubine goes out to banquets and events like that, only main wives.

             If she doesn’t get beat or inprisoned, she better at least get permanent exile.:angry:

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2 minutes ago, hello210 said:

No, General Shen doesn’t love the Concubine but he did love his dead wife. His dead wife also sacrificed herself for his sister, the current Empress. His love and guilt had previously kept him from getting to know Lady Zhang, his current wife, who is actually more similar in personality to his previous wife then he thought. The concubine reminds me of Aunt Kang and Stepmom, spoiled by their maternal families so they think they can do whatever they want. Even worse, she makes herself more public because she’s able to play on the guilt of the Empress and Emperor. No concubine goes out to banquets and events like that, only main wives.

             If she doesn’t get beat or inprisoned, she better at least get permanent exile.:angry:

Sh be divorced and sent to a village where manniang lives with warning not to step out of the village for the rest if her life.. Live miserably. 

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19 minutes ago, mingminglanlan said:

Not in the palace i don't think, in the Zhang's house which is really big bcause Lord Zhang is the brother of the emperor or some other very important relative,

He’s the Empress’s younger brother so he’s the Royal Uncle. Their Fu is big and the doctor was held in the Concubine’s courtyard. Brings back memories for ML so they picked on the wrong Mama bear by lying to her and arguing with her. Loved her with that sword and commanding those servants in the preview.

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Ha ha.. She has proved that she's really has a domineering attitude. She protects whom she loves. She's loyal, fearless, calm in the moment if crisis.. She's tigress. Whoever befriends her are very lucky. 

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Ty's stepmom saying there's no such thing as a husband & wife being as one body but the irony is that ML & TY are two souls/one body together always. She underestimates them all the time. Her pettiness makes her a nearsighted dolt & that's why she loses everytime she plants her childish schemes. :P

 

The hug fight is funny. The argument perfectly illustrates how both are currently feeling. It's good to see them talk it out. There's truth in what ML say about men change in hearts & disposing their wives for other women & how if she was in that situation, she wouldnt be able to do anything about it. The thought of TY doing that really hurts her. TY needs to explicitly tell her he wouldnt do that to her since she doesnt realize it. More misunderstanding :sweatingbullets:.

 

ML & Danju scene is so bittersweet. ML is so thoughtful sending her off to a good person but Danju teary/not wanting to leave tugs my heartstrings.

XT & Shitou are cute. TY not paying any attention to the concubine like a walking nuisance. :rolleyes:

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14 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

Ha ha.. She has proved that she's really has a domineering attitude. She protects whom she loves. She's loyal, fearless, calm in the moment if crisis.. She's tigress. Whoever befriends her are very lucky. 

GTY's habits have rubbed on her.She openly displays her emotions now when she is furious.

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Dowager sure is defiant & an eyesore. Filial piety is important. His Magesty doesnt want to acknowledge her & deceased emperor as parents. If it wasn't for him & TY, she'd be a head on pikes. He help saved her palace. The least she can do is to grant the title to his real father. Darn ingrate. QH being annoying again. Why cant he just hush up. Now TY is going to get whipped. :crazy:.

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7 minutes ago, greenwatch08 said:

Dowager sure is defiant & an eyesore. Filial piety is important. His Magesty doesnt want to acknowledge her & deceased emperor as parents. If it wasn't for him & TY, she'd be a head on pikes. He help saved her palace. The least she can do is to grant the title to his real father. Darn ingrate. QH being annoying again. Why cant he just hush up. Now TY is going to get whipped. :crazy:.

It's okay. GTY was happy being whipped because the wifey will fuss over him. :lol:

Also gives them the opportunity to reconcile and talk...

So, it's all about perspectives. What seem horrible now may turn out to be good in long run. :lol:

 

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3 hours ago, hello210 said:

That spoilt concubine and her family are idiots if they think they can pull something like that and get away with it when the Shen Da Niang is the cherished only daughter of Duke Ying, a powerful military family. Concubine Lin was lucky because ML’s mom didn’t come from a prestigious background so there was no one that could really do anything about it. It looked like in the previews there may be severe punishment coming for the Concubine. Was the husband being stupid and trying to protect her? 

          I really like the friendship between GTY/ML and the Shen couple. They’re very compatible as friends. Only issue is General Shen being stuck on his Concubine/sister-in-law due to his previous love towards his dead wife (kinda like old Marquis Gu and stepmom—gross to me, it’s like marrying your own kid sister)

@hello210  Yes I feel you on these marriages,  She could have been raised in the palace as and adopted daughter just like QH mom.. They could have found a good marriage prospect for her making sure whomever she married she would be well taken care of.. Maybe the emperor would have wanted GTY straps to her but GTY made it clear to them all fron the beginning don't try and plan a marriage for me I already have my vride pick out all you need to do is make it and imperial marriage.. This could be why she went to Gnrl Shen. I don;t think they would ever thought her to behave like that yes a lil spoiled but she goes above and beyond.. Yes she needs to be punished and taught a good lesson maje her out to be a fine example for all those other concubines thst over step there bounds period..

 

On to our couple, ML is like she walk out of the Sheng house one day wondering around and still wondering..:rolleyes: Clueless clue can't pick up on a hint if GTY himself drew the clues for her which he has and she still looks lost and ask what do you mean and yet he just refuse to spell it out for her.:lol:. Then on top of all the cluesness GTY is just worried over nothing really..:w00t: Him longing to hear his wife validate her love for him might kill him if she don't tell him.. 

 

ML is so quick to be the outside person looking into someone elses problem when she herself knows it's something wrong with her on marriage.. She claims she thinks for him I'm like him which him is she thinking for. Then she stuck like chuck looking stupid :huh: with the Da look on her face :unsure:

 

I think since GTY see how clueless she is he could get Da Niang and 4th sister to talk to her about sometimes men like to be prasied by there wives and also needs to feel the wifes love.. In her mind as long as she's doing her wifely duties that's showing her husband she loves him the poor poor girl.. So one could understand why she's so clueless in this category of marriage.. GTY saus she like a 3yro child when it cones to love but has he look at the fact that he loves and sleeping with the 3yro child..   

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1 hour ago, m0us3y said:

It's okay. GTY was happy being whipped because the wifey will fuss over him. :lol:

Also gives them the opportunity to reconcile and talk...

So, it's all about perspectives. What seem horrible now may turn out to be good in long run. :lol:

 

TY sure was pleased. He's a lovesick puppy. It's good theyre open about their feelings somewhat now. I love that ML doesnt waste her energy on the concubine because she knows TY doesnt care for her. Although TY is making it a bit more muddled for her now.:sweatingbullets: Now she's not sure how to approach him. 

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3 hours ago, leeza77 said:

Sh punish the concubine severally...she's really an evil person. Very brave and foolish of her to sabotage the delivery of madam zhang like that. 

Hi @leeza77   Who is SH????

1 hour ago, greenwatch08 said:

Ty's stepmom saying there's no such thing as a husband & wife being as one body but the irony is that ML & TY are two souls/one body together always. She underestimates them all the time. Her pettiness makes her a nearsighted dolt & that's why she loses everytime she plants her childish schemes. :P

 

The hug fight is funny. The argument perfectly illustrates how both are currently feeling. It's good to see them talk it out. There's truth in what ML say about men change in hearts & disposing their wives for other women & how if she was in that situation, she wouldnt be able to do anything about it. The thought of TY doing that really hurts her. TY needs to explicitly tell her he wouldnt do that to her since she doesnt realize it. More misunderstanding :sweatingbullets:.

 

ML & Danju scene is so bittersweet. ML is so thoughtful sending her off to a good person but Danju teary/not wanting to leave tugs my heartstrings.

XT & Shitou are cute. TY not paying any attention to the concubine like a walking nuisance. :rolleyes:

Well said chingu @greenwatch08  clap-cheetah-emoticon.gifThe more Little Mdm Qi plot against them, she pushes them closer. GTY and ML knows of their intentions of sending spies into their own home. Since they know their true intentions , they must be as one to stop them from causing major problems in their marriage. 

 

After watching Episode 55-56 with subs, I find QH to be disgusting. Why I say he is disgusting is because he has let himself be used and his own father believes that they should let him let him succeed and fall so he can learn his lesson. I agree because he won’t listen to anyone telling him what he is doing is wrong. THE ED played him well , she played don’t disrespect your mother and I have watched your mother grow up. But QH didn’t take into account that ED is the Emperor’s stepmom right now. He hasn’t read between the lines ED is saying. She wants The Emperor to acknowledge her as his mother so she can gain control and remain in power.  QH being sheltered and doesn’t know what it truly feels and mean to be adopted and not being able to recognize their own blood parents. Hasn’t even realized that he is insulting the Emperor  and that he is making the Emperor his ENEMY.  Instead of having the Emperor respect him , he has the Emperor lose all respect for him because he is siding with ED who still want to keep a corrupted court system. This is the first time I have come to really dislike QH. He has opposed the Emperor and now the Prime Minister because of his naivety. I wonder doesn’t QH take into account the good the Emperor has done since taking his position. The way he keeps going

 

I have a question Chingu’s  ( IS THIS DEBATE WAS DONE SO THEY CAN MAKE RHE ED STEP DOWN FROM PARTICIPATING IN COURT ANS RETIRE). If this the reason behind bringing this up, ED played her cards right she she can continue disrupting court and stopping the changes the Emperor is trying to make for the people. 

 

 The problem with QH is that he really doesn’t know he is being manipulated and doesn’t understand how politics really work. He is being manipulated and once he loses his value, he will be thrown away like garbage and his career will be ruined. 

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Omg in episode 55 when Shitou called XT, Tao'er literally makes me screamed with happiness! Yey his action of wooing XT is so obvious that GTY pointed it out loud hahaha. And in addition I'm so happy for Danju. Her cousin (future husband) sounds nice as he willing to wait for Danju and marries her. I hope for her happiness :)

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21 hours ago, linhlinh111 said:

@lxands That's what I'm talking about. QH clearly was not the suitable match for ML, he is too ideal and naive to handle the situation. QH has made many mistakes during the way but not taking GTY's suggestion was the one thing he did right. He shouldn't be blamed for that and GTY shouldn't keep bringing it back in front of him.

Exactly...GTY shdnt keep bringing up abt his offer to help becos face it, at the time he has already fallen for ML. His offer was to clear his conscience. So when QH refused his offer, he feels he has done his best to help QH & thus has every right to pursue ML. But then again there's no fairness when it comes to love, so the best man wins. QH had his chances twice, but he never use it wisely nor grab it fierceful enuf, while GTY went out of his way to ensure he gets ML. So it proof enuf GTY is the best man for ML

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Ep 55..gty and the prime minister sh consult ml about the issue emperor.. She correctly read ed's character that ed will not easily backdown. No, the pm has fallen into ed trap.. And the stupid qh was used again and again by the ED... 

18 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:

Hi @leeza77   Who is SH????

Well said chingu @greenwatch08  clap-cheetah-emoticon.gifThe more Little Mdm Qi plot against them, she pushes them closer. GTY and ML knows of their intentions of sending spies into their own home. Since they know their true intentions , they must be as one to stop them from causing major problems in their marriage. 

 

After watching Episode 55-56 with subs, I find QH to be disgusting. Why I say he is disgusting is because he has let himself be used and his own father believes that they should let him let him succeed and fall so he can learn his lesson. I agree because he won’t listen to anyone telling him what he is doing is wrong. THE ED played him well , she played don’t disrespect your mother and I have watched your mother grow up. But QH didn’t take into account that ED is the Emperor’s stepmom right now. He hasn’t read between the lines ED is saying. She wants The Emperor to acknowledge her as his mother so she can gain control and remain in power.  QH being sheltered and doesn’t know what it truly feels and mean to be adopted and not being able to recognize their own blood parents. Hasn’t even realized that he is insulting the Emperor  and that he is making the Emperor his ENEMY.  Instead of having the Emperor respect him , he has the Emperor lose all respect for him because he is siding with ED who still want to keep a corrupted court system. This is the first time I have come to really dislike QH. He has opposed the Emperor and now the Prime Minister because of his naivety. I wonder doesn’t QH take into account the good the Emperor has done since taking his position. The way he keeps going

 

I have a question Chingu’s  ( IS THIS DEBATE WAS DONE SO THEY CAN MAKE RHE ED STEP DOWN FROM PARTICIPATING IN COURT ANS RETIRE). If this the reason behind bringing this up, ED played her cards right she she can continue disrupting court and stopping the changes the Emperor is trying to make for the people. 

 

 The problem with QH is that he really doesn’t know he is being manipulated and doesn’t understand how politics really work. He is being manipulated and once he loses his value, he will be thrown away like garbage and his career will be ruined. 

Sorry.. Sh means should. 

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