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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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2 hours ago, frenchfan said:

I do pity Mrs Kang shu daughter especially when she begged for her life but why do they always think that being the concubine will solve their problems?  I mean poor ML.  Now she has people crying to her to be the concubine to GTY or if not granted, they will commit suicide in front of her.  That was what annoys me no end......

If my understanding is correct, the poor woman was pretty much threatened to be GTY's concubine. 

From both Aunt Kang convo with evil stepmom and the girl to ML, it seems like Aunt Kang was holding her mom ransom, and if the girl doesn't listen, she would have her mom pay the price. 

That's just pure evil. 

I can see why ML soften up, because the poor girl seems to only want to protect her mom, and is left with no options but to obey Aunt Kang. 

From preview, it seems that she really have no choice but to die in order to save her mom if ML denies her, rather than an act to get pity. 

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4 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

If my understanding is correct, the poor woman was pretty much threatened to be GTY's concubine. 

From both Aunt Kang convo with evil stepmom and the girl to ML, it seems like Aunt Kang was holding her mom ransom, and if the girl doesn't listen, she would have her mom pay the price. 

That's just pure evil. 

I can see why ML soften up, because the poor girl seems to only want to protect her mom, and is left with no options but to obey Aunt Kang. 

From preview, it seems that she really have no choice but to die in order to save her mom if ML denies her, rather than an act to get pity. 

I hope she doesn't eventually turn bad if ML let's her stay and betray ML later.. Let her be another supporter of ML and later ML can look for a good husband for her 

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4 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

I hope she doesn't eventually turn bad if ML let's her stay and betray ML later.. Let her be another supporter of ML and later ML can look for a good husband for her 

Or ML just takes her in and put her in one of her courtyard, keeping her away, and when time is right, move her away. Lol. 

 

Until now the other "concubine" hasn't made another appearance it seems, after her "night" with GTY. 

ML has given her instruction to stay low and stay in her courtyard. :lol:

 

She's like refuge camp. :sweatingbullets:

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55 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

I could be the odd ball here, but I thought ML and QH's meeting was much needed. And better for GTY to overheard...

It's a score that has been left unsettled for too long, with everyone assuming they know what the others are thinking and/or feeling. 

Most definitely. 

 

I like the scene when TY tells her he wasn't mad at her for seeing QH but because of what she said. She told QH to be more considerate to his wife's feelings, yet ML hasn't quite figured out why TY gets riled up when ML is doing the same w/him. ML still has a defense/wall up around her heart. This current tension between the two is where both ML & TY needs to communicate inorder to be at the same level emotionally. 

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10 hours ago, frenchfan said:

BTW in one of the trailer for future episodes, seems like QH is going to land himself in a hot soup with the emperor when he insisted why the ED wasn't there.  The emperor left the court hall and you could see QH gulping nervously.  I hope he will not fall for the ED ploy and be her puppet but I fear that his family ties will kind of make him do her bidding.  

 

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GTY is lucky to have ML as wife as she is more cautious.  Example, when Manniang resurfaced and tried to strangle Rong'Er, he got mad and would have killed Manniang in rage but ML interfered knowing that evil stepmom would be watching them 24/7.  She calmed him down and got him to see reasons and planned what they should be doing next. Always thinking ahead so whatever happens will not impact him and his place at court.  Like the ED, the emperor has a BUY-1-FREE-1 with the Gu family.   Stepmom was curious why there was no hooha as she knows well GTY's temperament and her maid told her that ML interfered.  Then when the grand aunt of GTY came to give him a concubine, ML accepted and thwarted stepmom's plan to get close to grand aunt as she was anticipating ML to refuse like she did in the past. I am pleased to see that they are such a matching couple.  

 

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I am anticipating the poisoning of grandma next.  I want to see angry ML.  "I want justice" like in the trailer :D      

I was dying at ED's "Buy 1 get 1" comment. It's so hilarious, but so true. The emperor really hits the jackpot with GTY, but I think he starts to get skeptical about GTY and his son. The emperor didn't want to be crowned initially but it's GTY and his son who really pushed him forward. I think deep down inside the emperor feels uneasy because he gets the crown thanks to his son. I can see foresee that the ED will take advantage of this conflict to gain her power dominance. She already had people around the emperor "unintentionally" suggesting him of how capable the prince and GTY are. Hard time is coming!

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24 minutes ago, purplefall94 said:

In the novel, aunty Kang promised her sister that she would help Wang Ruofu to deteriorate grandma's health so that she can regain full household authority. However, Aunty Kang's real plan was to poison grandma with very potent drug so that she can use grandma's death to blackmail Wang Ruofu for money. This lady is a vicious snake, she doesn't only want power from ML and GTY but also money from the Sheng family. Luckily, grandma only took a small bit of the poison so she survived but her health greatly suffered afterward. That's why ML went crazy.

Omg thank goodness she survived. I thought she would die from it. I was so sad. :( 

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32 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Previously, in one of the ep, ML said "Do not have too much hope. Otherwise it leads to disappointment. And too much disappointment leads to hatred and resentment, and life becomes unbearable". 

 

When QH let her down, she told XiaoTao she doesn't resent or hate him. 

And when she spoke to him now, she again told him she has never resented or hated him for what happened, does show that she has never placed much hope on him too..

 

I could be the odd ball here, but I thought ML and QH's meeting was much needed. And better for GTY to overheard...

It's a score that has been left unsettled for too long, with everyone assuming they know what the others are thinking and/or feeling. 

 

ML used the idea of bringing back the dead was apt. No matter how bad we wanted it, we can't bring the dead back. We can't turn back time...

 

QH believes that he's trying to set her free from GTY. Because she doesn't love GTY. Because she never cried for GTY. Because she never pine for GTY, missing him like QH misses her. 

It was a wake up call for him when ML told him she never cried bitter tears for him too. 

That whilst he claimed to be doing everything for her, it was never from her perspectives. Always on his. 

It was a bitter pill to swallow for him, but a much needed one, imho.  

 

The last time they met, she told him that as long as he doesn't give up, she wouldnt. 

That was QH's last memory of her and seems to have held on to that belief that ML still wants him the same way he wants her. 

He was afraid that she resented him. But when she told him she has never resented him, he was even more disappointed, for he wanted to be in her heart. Even if it's hate. 

He has to matter enough for her to resent him.

 

Fact is, she moved on. It's past now. She let go. 

He needs to as well, and I see the meeting as a way to give him a closure. 

@m0us3y  I also like the fact that GTY overhears this conversation.. He also needed to conformation on his beliefs of her not choosing him ever again.. GTy seen ML put closure to there pasy as he watch how QH still not ready to let go even after they both arte married.. 

QH trying to set her free from what when she clearly choose to walk into the lions den with her head held high and no regrets or looking back.. His version of setting her free to do what.. He can't be with her because after being married to GTY and a first wife she's not going to walk in a concubine shoes like her mom.. This is something else QH hasn;t thought about nor do he think about the consequences of his actions at all..  Always a day late and $10.00 to short..

 

The more I re-watch ep 51 and 52 I get teed off more and more at SH..

Here's my take on both episodes.. Molan knew her husband was chatting with SH about entering her mom into the Sheng household book also setting up and memorial for her.. (Which this conversation took place more then once) I think the topic was brought up to test the waters for SH was fearing Big Mdm would blow a fuse.. Which none of them expected for Ming Lan to pop off the way she did.. Molan husband thinking just because Molan is the eldest of the three girls he had the right to put Ming lan in her place thinking that he can flex his authourity over her.. He's has not paid any attention or not looking at how Molan is treated like and outcast by the younger two for other reasons alone.. Molan had instilled into her husband head that she was the one always was mistreated by the family learning of really how his marriage came to fruitation..  And still donlt realizes his wife lies that has sprewed out of her mouth was all because she envies Ming Lan life.. Learning of two men of reputable clans wanted her as there first wife and even her own husbands mom wanted her as her son first wife.. Molan also mad wirh herself for jumping at the first choice that came to her.. I know she had to be whispering bad things in SH ears about what supposed to be said about Ming Lan from the other noble women.. SH choice of slapping Ming Lan was to save the faces of Molan CL and the concubine pusy chasing SIL..

 

I sometimes think what would have happenend if she really married him as the first wife.. Molan would really be in bad shape just because she's the older sister dosen't mean she gets to have this right when it comes to husband and wife..  

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1 hour ago, sava2sava said:

@minglan1  Do this mean alll those girls that don't want to be concubines will volunteer to be the Gnrl concubine to get ML to give then there freedom.. Wow it would serve Auntie Kang right if ML did this but that would be hard for her to help since Step Mom got people watching outside the house seeing whats going and coming day and night.. 

I wish the concubine doesn't die and pile on the problems for ML.Hopefully post this the concubine gifting incidents will see a closure.I am so ready for it

Hope the writer to is all done with this plot angle.

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24 minutes ago, greenwatch08 said:

Most definitely. 

 

I like the scene when TY tells her he wasn't mad at her for seeing QH but because of what she said. She told QH to be more considerate to his wife's feelings, yet ML hasn't quite figured out why TY gets riled up when ML is doing the same w/him. ML still has a defense/wall up around her heart. This current tension between the two is where both ML & TY needs to communicate inorder to be at the same level emotionally. 

Actually in ML's 3yo mind with love, and a genius mind with everything else, she is being very considerate of GTY. 

That's why she told him that she knows GTY dotes on her, and hence, she's not jealous of the concubine. That's the most correct answer for a wife to give her husband.

Except GTY wanted her to be jealous but she's totally not getting it. 

Hence he got angry with her for 2 whole months and she still hasn't figured out what to do! 

So she just said let him be. Even if she misses her lively GTY, she didn't say anything because she's doesn't know what is wrong at the first place! :lol:

I just find the whole situation hilarious. 

He's fuming, she's clueless. :lol:

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46 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

If my understanding is correct, the poor woman was pretty much threatened to be GTY's concubine. 

From both Aunt Kang convo with evil stepmom and the girl to ML, it seems like Aunt Kang was holding her mom ransom, and if the girl doesn't listen, she would have her mom pay the price. 

That's just pure evil. 

I can see why ML soften up, because the poor girl seems to only want to protect her mom, and is left with no options but to obey Aunt Kang. 

From preview, it seems that she really have no choice but to die in order to save her mom if ML denies her, rather than an act to get pity. 

Thanks for explaining.The attacks on MLand GTY seems to be getting more viscious.The evil trio is stepping up their game.

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41 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:
47 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

If my understanding is correct, the poor woman was pretty much threatened to be GTY's concubine. 

From both Aunt Kang convo with evil stepmom and the girl to ML, it seems like Aunt Kang was holding her mom ransom, and if the girl doesn't listen, she would have her mom pay the price. 

That's just pure evil. 

I can see why ML soften up, because the poor girl seems to only want to protect her mom, and is left with no options but to obey Aunt Kang. 

From preview, it seems that she really have no choice but to die in order to save her mom if ML denies her, rather than an act to get pity. 

I hope she doesn't eventually turn bad if ML let's her stay and betray ML later.. Let her be another supporter of ML and later ML can look for a good husband for her 

My sentimemts exactly @Suzzy San  Let's hope ML and GTy can save her mom and have both of them set up in a nice family..  She could come back later and help rip step mom and Auntie Kang masks off there faces. 

 

I have a question.. Whats with 3rd brother meeting with the Old Man ?

 

28 minutes ago, purplefall94 said:

I was dying at ED's "Buy 1 get 1" comment. It's so hilarious, but so true. The emperor really hits the jackpot with GTY, but I think he starts to get skeptical about GTY and his son. The emperor didn't want to be crowned initially but it's GTY and his son who really pushed him forward. I think deep down inside the emperor feels uneasy because he gets the crown thanks to his son. I can see foresee that the ED will take advantage of this conflict to gain her power dominance. She already had people around the emperor "unintentionally" suggesting him of how capable the prince and GTY are. Hard time is coming!

@purplefall94  ED needs GTY exiled or killed in order to control her territory she'll bring him back only if he pledges loyalty to her.. But I'm leaning more towards having him killed because of the friendship he has with the prince.. ED knows if he's exiled the prince would release him once he comes to power and those who help her exile him would pay the price.. At this point it would be a good idea for GTY to stay away from court and focos on military training until his name stop ringing in every matter that goes on in court..

 

6 minutes ago, minglan1 said:

I wish the concubine doesn't die and pile on the problems for ML.Hopefully post this the concubine gifting incidents will see a closure.I am so ready for it

Hope the writer to is all done with this plot angle.

@minglan1  It is funny watching those poor girls waiting for him to take the bait and he don't give them the time of day or night.. Sad but so true.. GTY is to busy trying to get his wife to confess her love for him.. No anount of concubine bringing is going to change that.. I just hope he gets a confession out of her before the drama ends..

 

Whats going on with viki uploading the last two episodes..By now one of the episodes will be fully subbed..   

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7 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Actually in ML's 3yo mind with love, and a genius mind with everything else, she is being very considerate of GTY. 

That's why she told him that she knows GTY dotes on her, and hence, she's not jealous of the concubine. That's the most correct answer for a wife to give her husband.

Except GTY wanted her to be jealous but she's totally not getting it. 

Hence he got angry with her for 2 whole months and she still hasn't figured out what to do! 

So she just said let him be. Even if she misses her lively GTY, she didn't say anything because she's doesn't know what is wrong at the first place! :lol:

I just find the whole situation hilarious. 

He's fuming, she's clueless. :lol:

Oh yeah she definitely knows TY loves her dearly.  

 

It's more in the part where he doesn't want to be w/ concubines & ML hasn't quite figure it out yet that he's not like men who's wants to/easily consummate w/them. She's the only one in his eyes.  It's funny because he's avoiding concubines at every chance they come crawling into their house like bugs.

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While every one is seriously analyzing the drama, can I analyze from the Minlan point of view ( for fun)

QH - He is my only classmate, although we both are married, why can’t I still communicate as friend. I have no friends, only step sisters or cousin. For my husband he has childhood friend like my step brother and work relative friends like all the Generals, they can talk, drink together etc., why can’t I or QH visit my house and talk or why can’t we play polo sometimes. I do not want to associate with all snobbish IQ low women. He stills love me, so what. It is a good thing. So long as we do not cross the line. 

 

GTY - Yes I marry to him because he is smart. If he is not smart, I will never think of him. Since young, I noticed, that he help me and save me. Although he said, I can be myself, why he is so mean to call him like his mistress. I will not. His GU family is a big big trouble for me. I have mentally no rest since I married to him. Physicality I am not so strong, after my mother passed away, I had a high fever and since then, I am not too healthy. I came back from my father’s house and I am too depressed . And guess what? His aunty wants to give him concubine. I think I should give up.

 

Dr. He - he is nice person, although I do not love him, I think my life will be peaceful as my grandmother predicts. 

 

My Aunty from my mother side - Although GTY is rich, I cannot help my aunty or visit her. Poor me.

 

Noble woman - Although the Emperor awarded this title, those snobbish people talk bad thing about me and in front of me that General’swife insulted me. Can you believe that, in my own house. 

 

(Those will be her thinking )

 

 

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34 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Actually in ML's 3yo mind with love, and a genius mind with everything else, she is being very considerate of GTY. 

That's why she told him that she knows GTY dotes on her, and hence, she's not jealous of the concubine. That's the most correct answer for a wife to give her husband.

Except GTY wanted her to be jealous but she's totally not getting it. 

Hence he got angry with her for 2 whole months and she still hasn't figured out what to do! 

So she just said let him be. Even if she misses her lively GTY, she didn't say anything because she's doesn't know what is wrong at the first place! :lol:

I just find the whole situation hilarious. 

He's fuming, she's clueless. :lol:

In their earlier part of the marriage, ML seems to project sentiments towards TY because of her father's lifestyle/ parenting. 

 

There was a conversation between ML&TY when she said if she was a child that she'd been happy if TY was her father & TY was somewhat off guard by that comment. And because her father had concubines & w/ TY past affairs w/women, she supposed he'd be fine having concubines. Although it's quite obvious he doesnt care for concubines at all. So it's funny seeing how this whole ordeal/misunderstanding has played out.

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15 minutes ago, sava2sava said:

 

@minglan1  It is funny watching those poor girls waiting for him to take the bait and he don't give them the time of day or night.. Sad but so true.. GTY is to busy trying to get his wife to confess her love for him.. No anount of concubine bringing is going to change that.. I just hope he gets a confession out of her before the drama ends..

 

Whats going on with viki uploading the last two episodes..By now one of the episodes will be fully subbed..   

Hahahaha. Reckon those girls thought GTY would be easy since he did have kids with a lowly born woman before he got married. 

Lil did they know he's totally devoted to ML and wouldn't even look at them!

Like U said, too busy trying to get the wife to confess her love to him! :lol:

 

The night with the woman was funny cuz after so many hours, he didn't actually realise the maid was still there until she approached him. Shows that he didn't even look her way once! :lol:

 

Re Viki, there was no episodes aired yesterday. And they are always a day behind so I believe ep55-56 will only come out tonight...

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Hello! I have been following this tread for some days and this is my first comment. I am a huge fan of the novel, this novel is one of my favorite web novels and one of the reasons I became addicted to the ancient Chinese family drama novels. Due to my initial dissatisfaction with several of the changes in the plot and characters, I have  changed my standpoint:  I stopped expecting an adaptation of the novel and now I am trying to appreciate this drama as its own story. Must say that this decision have enhanced a lot my enjoyment.

 

One of my biggest disappointments is what has been done with QH character; in the book he was one character that remained pure, gentle and honest despite all his bitter experiences in his love and marriage life, and that make me appreciate him more. This dark and petty twist his actions have taken may make him more interesting for some viewers; but from my standpoint seems like a cheap drama tool to prove QH unworthiness of ML love, thus making the audience side GTY and ending with the lingering attachments to QH.

 

There is also one thing that doesn't make sense to me and it is QH actions in the political arena, I sincerely don't get why he choose to play ED henchman. It was precisely the ED one of the accomplices of Prince Yong in imprisoning QH into his loveless first marriage: When QH's father is kidnapped by Prince Yong and his mother goes to the palace to ask for help, the ED is the person that refused to help them to see the emperor.  Because at that point  ED had already sided with Prince Yong, if she still remained neutral and impartial she would have helped them, because the actions of Prince Yong could jeopardize his chances to become the crown prince if they were exposed to an emperor famous for his benevolent values, and his crimes would make him lose a lot of support from the general public and officers.

 

So the ED was one of the Prince Yong supporters and her remaining political power comes from the remaining members of Prince Yong party, since ED refuses to let go of the power and the emperor isn't backing down, the only way for ED to retain her power is supporting other heir to usurp the throne and the one she has available has to be one of Prince Yong remaining descendants.   

 

I remember that in the conversation with ML in the bridge QH says that he hates Prince Yong, so why the hell is he helping his cronies?  I have read in some other post that QH is helping ED because her mother, princess Pingning, grew up under her assistance; but it was ED the one who chose to ignore his family when they need her support the most. The political situation is the best for QH family to distance  itself from ED, her power should dwindle day by day because, no matter who is the final winner, in the long run she is a woman and has no right to the political power she is trying to hold. The Qi family trust has already been betrayed by ED and they have no obligation to continue advocating for her. They can remain neutral and see who is the final winner or back up the new emperor and gain his recognition.

 

From the point of view of an officer who cares the good of the common people, the situation in court should be stabilized as soon as possible, more fight for the throne and the power is more chaos, the new emperor seems to actually care for his subjects and is trying improve their living conditions, that is material for a good emperor.  

 

So, when it comes down to it the only motive QH has to support ED is to be GTY political opponent and screw GTY every chance he gets, isn't QH supposed to be intelligent? Could his motivation be more selfish and swallow?  My only hope is that QH is pretending to support ED and secretly reuniting information to bring down the corrupt officers helping on her side, but that seems very out of character.

 

So, that's the end of my rambling, what are your POV? for me this is plot weakness, that I'm trying hard to ignore.

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Hello! I have been following this tread for some days and this is my first comment. I am a huge fan of the novel, this novel is one of my favorite web novels and one of the reasons I became addicted to the ancient Chinese family drama novels. Due to my initial dissatisfaction with several of the changes in the plot and characters, I have  changed my standpoint:  I stopped expecting an adaptation of the novel and now I am trying to appreciate this drama as its own story. Must say that this decision have enhanced a lot my enjoyment.

 

One of my biggest disappointments is what has been done with QH character; in the book he was one character that remained pure, gentle and honest despite all his bitter experiences in his love and marriage life, and that make me appreciate him more. This dark and petty twist his actions have taken may make him more interesting for some viewers; but from my standpoint seems like a cheap drama tool to prove QH unworthiness of ML love, thus making the audience side GTY and ending with the lingering attachments to QH.

 

There is also one thing that doesn't make sense to me and it is QH actions in the political arena, I sincerely don't get why he choose to play ED henchman. It was precisely the ED one of the accomplices of Prince Yong in imprisoning QH into his loveless first marriage: When QH's father is kidnapped by Prince Yong and his mother goes to the palace to ask for help, the ED is the person that refused to help them to see the emperor.  Because at that point  ED had already sided with Prince Yong, if she still remained neutral and impartial she would have helped them, because the actions of Prince Yong could jeopardize his chances to become the crown prince if they were exposed to an emperor famous for his benevolent values, and his crimes would make him lose a lot of support from the general public and officers.

 

So the ED was one of the Prince Yong supporters and her remaining political power comes from the remaining members of Prince Yong party, since ED refuses to let go of the power and the emperor isn't backing down, the only way for ED to retain her power is supporting other heir to usurp the throne and the one she has available has to be one of Prince Yong remaining descendants.   

 

I remember that in the conversation with ML in the bridge QH says that he hates Prince Yong, so why the hell is he helping his cronies?  I have read in some other post that QH is helping ED because her mother, princess Pingning, grew up under her assistance; but it was ED the one who chose to ignore his family when they need her support the most. The political situation is the best for QH family to distance  itself from ED, her power should dwindle day by day because, no matter who is the final winner, in the long run she is a woman and has no right to the political power she is trying to hold. The Qi family trust has already been betrayed by ED and they have no obligation to continue advocating for her. They can remain neutral and see who is the final winner or back up the new emperor and gain his recognition.

 

From the point of view of an officer who cares the good of the common people, the situation in court should be stabilized as soon as possible, more fight for the throne and the power is more chaos, the new emperor seems to actually care for his subjects and is trying improve their living conditions, that is material for a good emperor.  

 

So, when it comes down to it the only motive QH has to support ED is to be GTY political opponent and screw GTY every chance he gets, isn't QH supposed to be intelligent? Could his motivation be more selfish and swallow?  My only hope is that QH is pretending to support ED and secretly reuniting information to bring down the corrupt officers helping on her side, but that seems very out of character.

 

So, that's the end of my rambling, what are your POV? for me this is plot weakness, that I'm trying hard to ignore.

I think I kinda it kinda makes sense that QH shouldn't be supporting the dowager due to his past and all, but I think he sees her as the only person that knows him now because of how she kinda was the only one that supported him to official court., you know that feelings that 'this person wishes me well and from what I know about this opposition of Ed, hmm there is one GTY there that loves to manipulate things to get what he wants, so it must means that this ED is a good person they want to eradicate, and since she is good to me while that GTY once betrayed me when I'm a good person, so I think this ED is the true right one since she is weak, why not let me support her.'.. So he kinda feels that anything thing GTY or his group is against is the actual right thing to support..without him knowing that the ED is just using him.. I'm looking forward to how he will realize he was wrong about the ED

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16 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

I think I kinda it kinda makes sense that QH shouldn't be supporting the dowager due to his past and all, but I think he sees her as the only person that knows him now because of how she kinda was the only one that supported him to official court., you know that feelings that 'this person wishes me well and from what I know about this opposition of Ed, hmm there is one GTY there that loves to manipulate things to get what he wants, so it must means that this ED is a good person they want to eradicate, and since she is good to me while that GTY once betrayed me when I'm a good person, so I think this ED is the true right one since she is weak, why not let me support her.'.. So he kinda feels that anything thing GTY or his group is against is the actual right thing to support..without him knowing that the ED is just using him.. I'm looking forward to how he will realize he was wrong about the ED

Looks like the hard talk of ML with QH wasn't good enough to get his blinkers off.He is still stuck with GTY being the villain of the piece.He is a dangerous official to handle matters.His biases would get the better of him everytime and justice would be far from served.

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5 hours ago, jewelsc said:

ML didn't seemed all that intimidated by those imperial ladies, the way she talked with the ED or the consort or even the states general's wife so i'm sure she can handle QH's mom..and who knows maybe she will come to like ML eventually after ML does her 'magic' power on her :D. Anyways, that's a moot point now and i agree, GTY is perfect for her.

I think so too, although she still holds some prejudice and still old fashion. She is not like the old Madam Qi anymore. As long as her son is happy now that’s all that matters, because she regretted what happened before. 

 

6 hours ago, doubleicon said:

lol no problem, I've been reading through this thread and all of that person's comments are literally just the same thing just worded differently lol I got so annoyed. I recognize GTY has flaws, but in no one do I treat him like that person treats QH. It just go to be very annoying lol.

I don’t see why people are triggered by it. Linhlinh doesn’t just post biased about GTY, she also makes a lot of insightful post on the novel... And last time I checked everyone was bashing QH. All the characters in the story got their fair share of hate/complaints. If you don’t like what people post about your favs then skip it. No need to get butt hurt here. We are here for friendly debates. 

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57 minutes ago, greenwatch08 said:

Oh yeah she definitely knows TY loves her dearly.  

 

It's more in the part where he doesn't want to be w/ concubines & ML hasn't quite figure it out yet that he's not like men who's wants to/easily consummate w/them. She's the only one in his eyes.  It's funny because he's avoiding concubines at every chance they come crawling into their house like bugs.

@greenwatch08  Yes she knows he loves her but she's also judging him from her dads past experiences.. ML don't understand the meaning of GTy not wanting to take a concubine.. This comes from the fact of how he open his heart to MN and look what that got him GTy will never trust no other outside women like that ever again not to the point of giving his heart to one of them.. GTY may have swore to himself the next women he ever be with will be the only women.. When ML spoke up for Ronger she sealed that deal for him even though he had a liking to her and saw there encounters was fate pushing them together something ML never paid any attention to.. GTy may have made the decision to marry her judging from how they first meet and she was the first to ever beat him at any game.. I think he should explain this to her and she'll stop taking in all those concubines thrown at him.. GTy don't want to bring another women in the home to cause more problems to the wife for he has seen this before in the Big House and in those brothels he was hold up at..  If he wants some strange he'll get it away from home and leave it at that.. Nothing more nothing less just some paid for trim and on about his business.. 

 

I'm thinking of one comment he made to his uncle.. (Which I think it's something behind it).. He ask his uncle why is he defending his step mom so hard.. Did GTY see something as a child between the two because I don't think this is something he's making up.. This could also be another reason why he don't want anything to do with a concubine.. His very own step mom was his dad concubine first before she married him.. So I chalk one up to him for not wanting to be bother with any of the hand outs but this should be explain to ML so she could figure out a way to get some kind of profit off these free offering women.. 

 

Hell the way they coming she should run a concubine black market selling them out to the highest bidder they do this to the virgins in the brothels sell them out to the highest bidder..I'm pretty sure she could make a nice piece of change.. She wouldn't need those god forsaken people to bring them they will come on there own.. I bet she'll keep a full house when they come all she has to say sorry no rioom for them..

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