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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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So true, this is why I like historical dramas the most. Whether we can blame it on fate or circumstances ultimately we know the world we live in especially in historical dramas is unfair. That’s why I find the stories so much more interesting because my modernist views goes out the door and we can really look at the characters for who they are and not put upon our preconceived notions.

 

The human nature knows no name, gender, status, nor age. This is why even the most fortunate people (rich) compared to the unfortunate (poor) can also live a miserable life. Have a messed up broken family/household. Living a life on someone else foot path. Being used as a tool for political marriage. Having to follow the career path of the parents/inheriting the parents business/household... There is barely any room for someone to truly discover/know who they are. Or have a dream of their own... That’s why they can only blame it on fate and karma for being born low or high status. 

This is like the conversation ML had with Madam Zhang. Because we can’t change our fate, we can only learn to accept ones fate and live our days and make the most of it. 

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That Auntie Kang is so annoying, why does she bother with Minglan so much when she is not even related to her. I can understand the evil stepmother or evil concubine or evil wife of ex boyfriend or evil half sister, but Auntie Kang is fully an outsider. She is not even the sister of Sheng Hong, she is the sister of Wang Ruofu. Even Wang Ruofu is not that evil towards Minglan. What is she gaining from being evil to Minglan? At least with the stepmom, it would be the Gu wealth and title. 

 

When GTY fifth aunt was interfering with the maids at GTY new house, Minglan indirectly told her off that she is nobody. At least she has a little shame and left after realising that she is not even her mother in law nor sister in law. Why is Auntie Kang has no shame and why is Minglan not saying anything??

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7 hours ago, cherubstomato said:

 

EPISODE 53: 

I can’t stop laughing at GTY. He is so childish making the defenseless sleeping beauty ML smell his dirty socks. :joy: I’m literally dying. I thought he would draw on her face next as well. And when ML woke up to GTY her smile was so cute I was awed that she was very pleased to wake up with hubby by her side and didn’t sleep with the concubine. I was grinning. That’s how you do it GTY. In fact I think that concubine brought them closer. ML getting the taste of what it’s like giving her man to another woman. ML wakes up and asked GTY why he’s in her room? My my ML were you dreaming last night? 

 

I died laughing at that part too:joy:.you can see how happy he was when he reached her bed.then try to wake her up with smelling his socks ,then he was disappointed that she wasn`t awake.It`s really a cute scene for GTY.smiling so happily just to sleep next to her:joy:.

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But that concubine thing.Did she know that he doesn`t touch her or not? also she asked him about her in ep 54 if she make any trouble for him.well.Minglan.I lift up my hat for your coldness .she looks like she totally doesn`t care when her maid said GTY was cold these days.and when he was mad going to the court she said maybe there`s some problem there..where is your smart head girl:pensive:

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About their fight scene.was that the fight scene that we were waiting for?.i don`t think they will sort out their feeling that way:blink:.But also it was so funny when ML rode that thing and he change his tone voice and say i won`t ride with her.he is so childish when it come to ML really:joy:.

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17 minutes ago, cherubstomato said:

So true, this is why I like historical dramas the most. Whether we can blame it on fate or circumstances ultimately we know the world we live in especially in historical dramas is unfair. That’s why I find the stories so much more interesting because my modernist views goes out the door and we can really look at the characters for who they are and not put upon our preconceived notions.

 

The human nature knows no name, gender, status, nor age. This is why even the most fortunate people (rich) compared to the unfortunate (poor) can also live a miserable life. Have a messed up broken family/household. Living a life on someone else foot path. Being used as a tool for political marriage. Having to follow the career path of the parents/inheriting the parents business/household... There is barely any room for someone to truly discover/know who they are. Or have a dream of their own... That’s why they can only blame it on fate and karma for being born low or high status. 

This is like the conversation ML had with Madam Zhang. Because we can’t change our fate, we can only learn to accept ones fate and live our days and make the most of it. 

 

Indeed...but in an era where there are more people dying from famine, struggling to stay warm, struggling to have enough food to feed the family, or just threading on thin ice to ensure they don't anger their master and lose their lives for no reason or fault of theirs, getting into loveless political marriage and forced to take over the family household is a luxurious problem to have. 

I guess it's fair to say everyone is fighting their own battle, where the aristocrat is also fighting each other to stay in power or not lose favour of imperial family/ powerful officials. 

 

Just that if we look at it holistically, they are by far, much more privileged. 

And if they are men, born into a noble family, by a legitimate/main wife, it's really a jackpot.

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Again my POV aft watching up to eps 54.. if GTY's proposal was on equal grounds with QT (did not involve palace) and dowries still not sent, I think marrying QH should be the better option. 

 

That QH and ML without doubt and known to many are in love, being mamas boy and tht mama now have consented, their live could be less problematic, less stressful hence more peaceful and happier??... prolly even having lots of children (QH had twins right?)

 

We can feel how sincere and open both were when they had that conversation on the bridge.

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13 minutes ago, Katrina Abdul Talib said:

Again my POV aft watching up to eps 54.. if GTY's proposal was on equal grounds with QT (did not involve palace) and dowries still not sent, I think marrying QH should be the better option. 

 

That QH and ML without doubt and known to many are in love, being mamas boy and tht mama now have consented, their live could be less problematic, less stressful hence more peaceful and happier??... prolly even having lots of children (QH had twins right?)

 

We can feel how sincere and open both were when they had that conversation on the bridge.

Personally, I’d choose GTY over QH. Just because QH and ML were in love, doesn’t mean they will have a happy life. His mother consented the marriage not because she likes ML but because of the current situation the Qi family was in at that time. The Qi parents were also seen bad mouthing ML when they heard about GTY buying food for ML and her “antics” at the Gu household. 

 

I feel like GTY can protects ML better. He doesn’t care about his or his family image, he just do whatever he likes. He can stand up to his stepmom and uncles/aunts, the thing I doubt QH can. If ML is with QH, I don’t think she can be freely expressing herself like when she is with GTY. I think QH only see the soft, weak, elegant, virtous side of ML.

 

Also we don’t know what that arrogant Princess (Qi Mama) would do as ML mother in law. QH may loves ML and defends her at times but what about those time he is not home. ML probably continues to live a pretentious life like she was at the Sheng house so she is safe. And he will not have the guts to move out of the Qi manor like GTY did. There is also no guarantee that QH wouldn’t take in a concubine even when he said he wouldn’t. GTY said when he propose that he can’t guarantee that life with him would be easy, but I think with GTY, ML can become herself rather than pretending to be stupid and in daze all the time. 

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Indeed...but in an era where there are more people dying from famine, struggling to stay warm, struggling to have enough food to feed the family, or just threading on thin ice to ensure they don't anger their master and lose their lives for no reason or fault of theirs, getting into loveless political marriage and forced to take over the family household is a luxurious problem to have. 

I guess it's fair to say everyone is fighting their own battle, where the aristocrat is also fighting each other to stay in power or not lose favour of imperial family/ powerful officials. 

 

Just that if we look at it holistically, they are by far, much more privileged. 

And if they are men, born into a noble family, by a legitimate/main wife, it's really a jackpot.

Honestly, if I were in their era, I’d wish I were like in Mengfei comes across. Living off the emperor, just live my days trying to be an unnoticed concubine. Enjoy eating and gossiping with the other unfavored concubines and reading manhuas all day all night. What a great life. 

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@cherubstomato when I was watching Ruyi/Yanxi, I was discussing with my friends how life inside the palace is really bad. But life as a maid/slave would even be worse. We came to a conclusion at that time, that if we became daughter of the Lords then maybe it wouldn't be as bad, since we would be powerful enough not be bullied but not significant enough to be killed by those who want power. And then we watch Minglan ... and life as daughters of the Lords are just equally as bad :joy:

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Dang! I'm finally caught up and finally caught up on everyone's frustration with Minglan. GTY is absolutely correct, Minglan acts like a 3 year old in romance. I'm finally frustrated with her. She is ridiculous. She's so smart, she can fix other people's marriages, why can't she talk to him about it, at least? I accept she doesn't get it. But she knows he's mad at her, she should swallow her pride to fix things with him. He should also spell it out for her because she's too darn clueless. 

 

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Can I also chime in with everyone that Xiaotao and Shitou are so adorable :wub: How dare those gossiping women belittle those fried cherries <_< I also :lol: when ML was initially polite with QH's wife (Lady Shen?) by saying to ignore the titles of aunty and niece. Then when Lady Shen became a bit passive-aggressive, ML addressed her as a niece in law LOL. Okay, so jokes aside, I really got to appreciate that ML and Lady Shen were frank afterwards. Even though we didn't get to see the whole conversation, it seems Lady Shen was actually open and understanding in being able to listen to ML. Despite being a minor character who I was worried about being the stereotypical catty/jealous woman and previously feeling a bit neutral about, she seems pretty nice. Also, when ML goes to speak to the wife of state uncle (Lady Zhang) and have a heart to heart conversation about life. She too, also a minor character, does not fall under the stereotypical role and I'm loving the more positive representation of women. I think this episode really highlighted the struggles of women (not that others didn't). These two women are actually easier to be more sympathetic towards, have redeeming qualities and their actions are not based on inherently bad morals unlike step-mother and aunty Kang who don't seem to have any from what I've seen :rolleyes: As for GTY and ML... they just got to be more honest with each other, especially on GTY's part like personally I really hate it when you're trying to talk to someone but they won't explain it all but expect you to understand. I admit ML can be a little dense with some of her own personal matters like grandma once said but has such deep conversations with others LOL. Communication is key in all relationships and that's all I have to say for now. To me QH, I truly hope he'll be able to move on in a way even though he'll forever love ML.

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2 hours ago, m0us3y said:

In episode 52, the conversation between ML and Danju really drove home some really sad truths. 

 

Women, in general, could never expect an equal relationship. If she isn't pregnant, she should let the husband take in women who could help with the propagation of the family bloodline. 

When she gets pregnant, she will be once again forced to take in more women to "serve" the husband while she's pregnant. 

That's their fate....

 

And worse, is the fate of the servants..

Danju went as far as offering themselves to serve GTY when ML gets pregnant so that no other spies/woman would come to the household. 

When Molan made the grave mistake, the maidservants were beaten to death. 

When QH displeased his mom, Buwei was beaten to death. 

Their life is worth as much as whatever the master deemed it to be. 

XiaoTao, Danju and CuiWei are all very "lucky" for ML cares for them, and wouldn't sacrifice them for her own benefit, but it does show how sad the fate of servants can be. 

 

Comparatively, human to human, QH's fate is far more fortunate. Born as Di, son of Duke, he could pursue his dreams. He has a say in his life. He could to some extent, control his own fate. And he would never have to share his wife with other men. 

 

I used QH as comparison, and not GTY because QH has been moping around, blaming fate for the lost of his love. But really, looking at the bigger picture, comparatively, he hasn't lost that much...but he wouldn't be able to see that, because he was born entitled at the very first place. 

Talking about maid, let's not forget Molan's maid.  After they came back from Sheng luncheon, it seems that ML and GTY remarks about Linniang and Molan put a seed of doubt in him and when the maid came to tell Molan's hubby that Molan has a headache and need a doctor, he confronted her and threatened her to divulge the truth.  That he would "treat" and "dote" on her if she tells the truth. You could see that she cringed when he touched her. :dissapointed_relieved: Such is their fate.  Unless Molan agrees, she cannot leave and fromt heir conversation, Linniang promised to release her so she could go back to her hometown.  Not everyone aspire to be a concubine. The maids knows that it is a difficult life.  At any time you could gain favour but also in a plit second, could be disfavoured and get beaten to death etc.......

 

Then the conversation that Danju had with ML was heartbreaking indeed.  I hope that GTY will continue to spoil her and visit her bedroom even if she get pregnant and not take on those concubines that they got landed with from "concerned family members".    

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3 minutes ago, shihuangdi said:

@cherubstomato when I was watching Ruyi/Yanxi, I was discussing with my friends how life inside the palace is really bad. But life as a maid/slave would even be worse. We came to a conclusion at that time, that if we became daughter of the Lords then maybe it wouldn't be as bad, since we would be powerful enough not be bullied but not significant enough to be killed by those who want power. And then we watch Minglan ... and life as daughters of the Lords are just equally as bad :joy:

No win-win situation either way because:joy: I mean in commoner families, people also had concubines and had to work harder/fewer luxuries? Maybe like Rulan mentioned it would be better to be animals like dogs or cats LOL. 

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1 minute ago, lilkat75 said:

 

Can I also chime in with everyone that Xiaotao and Shitou are so adorable :wub: How dare those gossiping women belittle those fried cherries <_< I also :lol: when ML was initially polite with QH's wife (Lady Shen?) by saying to ignore the titles of aunty and niece. Then when Lady Shen became a bit passive-aggressive, ML addressed her as a niece in law LOL. Okay, so jokes aside, I really got to appreciate that ML and Lady Shen were frank afterwards. Even though we didn't get to see the whole conversation, it seems Lady Shen was actually open and understanding in being able to listen to ML. Despite being a minor character who I was worried about being the stereotypical catty/jealous woman and previously feeling a bit neutral about, she seems pretty nice. Also, when ML goes to speak to the wife of state uncle (I tried looking for name but??) and have a heart to heart conversation about life. She too, also a minor character, does not fall under the stereotypical role and I'm loving the more positive representation of women. I think this episode really highlighted the struggles of women (not that others didn't). These two women are actually easier to be more sympathetic towards, have redeeming qualities and their actions are not based on inherently bad morals unlike step-mother and aunty Kang who don't seem to have any from what I've seen :rolleyes: As for GTY and ML... they just got to be more honest with each other, especially on GTY's part like personally I really hate it when you're trying to talk to someone but they won't explain it all but expect you to understand. I admit ML can be a little dense with some of her own personal matters like grandma once said but has such deep conversations with others LOL. Communication is key in all relationships and that's all I have to say for now. To me QH, I truly hope he'll be able to move on in a way even though he'll forever love ML.

You can chime in anytime you want.....hahaha.  This is a place where we can chime in freely :D  I too like Xiaotao and Shitou.  So adorable.  They are a match made in heaven.  Both stoic and loyal to their masters.  

When Lady Shen kept calling ML aunty, she was purposely drawing the line and when ML called her niece in-law, it was so funny.  QH's wife was taken aback as she was not expecting a gentle rebuke from ML.  Served her right though.  ML in her usual calm manner took the bull by its horn and had a frank talk with her to ironed out the obvious issues.  I like it.  It is better than going round circles and dropping hints when obviously only a straight to the point truth will work.  Bravo Minglan!

 

Then of course I congratulated her for being intelligent enough to get the queen's favour and gratitude to help restore peace with the Zhang family who is her sister-in-law.  I believed she is Duke Ying's daughter?  Killing two birds with one stone.  Made friends with Lady Zhang and thereby gaining more social acceptances from the higher echelon of court is a way of her helping GTY as well.  

 

I cannot wait to see the downfall of those awful vengeful harpies : Madame Kang and Madame Qifn (QTY's stepmom).  

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59 minutes ago, frenchfan said:

Talking about maid, let's not forget Molan's maid.  After they came back from Sheng luncheon, it seems that ML and GTY remarks about Linniang and Molan put a seed of doubt in him and when the maid came to tell Molan's hubby that Molan has a headache and need a doctor, he confronted her and threatened her to divulge the truth.  That he would "treat" and "dote" on her if she tells the truth. You could see that she cringed when he touched her. :dissapointed_relieved: Such is their fate.  Unless Molan agrees, she cannot leave and fromt heir conversation, Linniang promised to release her so she could go back to her hometown.  Not everyone aspire to be a concubine. The maids knows that it is a difficult life.  At any time you could gain favour but also in a plit second, could be disfavoured and get beaten to death etc.......

 

Then the conversation that Danju had with ML was heartbreaking indeed.  I hope that GTY will continue to spoil her and visit her bedroom even if she get pregnant and not take on those concubines that they got landed with from "concerned family members".    

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@frenchfan Have to agree, I felt pretty bad for Molan's maid like she just wanted to be free and with her family but noooo Molan and sixth son prevented her from leaving. No win-win situation especially since you'll be the concubine to the husband of your previous mistress and you know she's not nice... :unsure: Everyone seems to have a hard life especially servants :tears:

 

 @dito @linhlinh111 it seems to me that this will not be the big argument we were all looking forward too and that they will have another which makes them more open. Since at this point, communication between ML and GTY is not exactly clear in words about their love with each other. Obviously, they show it by their actions, affection and respect for each other. However, I feel like it'll have to be more explicitly spoken for some more development. 

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I believe GTY was sincere when he offered to help QH  and of course GTY is aware the QH loves Minglan but the point is QH lost his chance.He was the one who asked GTY to give the doll to Minglan since he cannot fulfill his promise to make Minglan his wife.All is fair in love and war. He has to move on same as Minglan.

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1 hour ago, Katrina Abdul Talib said:

Again my POV aft watching up to eps 54.. if GTY's proposal was on equal grounds with QT (did not involve palace) and dowries still not sent, I think marrying QH should be the better option. 

 

That QH and ML without doubt and known to many are in love, being mamas boy and tht mama now have consented, their live could be less problematic, less stressful hence more peaceful and happier??... prolly even having lots of children (QH had twins right?)

 

We can feel how sincere and open both were when they had that conversation on the bridge.

 

I actually think Dr. He is the better option regarding peaceful and happier marriage life. Dr. He already decide not to take his cousin as concubine and his grandma and mother like ML. He’s not that wealthy but not poor either, no need to be afraid about food and etc, no palace drama, no one will want to kill them. He’s unlikely to take concubine too because again he’s not that wealthy and isn’t an official, and based on what I saw, he’s not a womanizer.

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2 hours ago, shihuangdi said:

That Auntie Kang is so annoying, why does she bother with Minglan so much when she is not even related to her. I can understand the evil stepmother or evil concubine or evil wife of ex boyfriend or evil half sister, but Auntie Kang is fully an outsider. She is not even the sister of Sheng Hong, she is the sister of Wang Ruofu. Even Wang Ruofu is not that evil towards Minglan. What is she gaining from being evil to Minglan? At least with the stepmom, it would be the Gu wealth and title. 

 

When GTY fifth aunt was interfering with the maids at GTY new house, Minglan indirectly told her off that she is nobody. At least she has a little shame and left after realising that she is not even her mother in law nor sister in law. Why is Auntie Kang has no shame and why is Minglan not saying anything??

@shihuangdi  First off Auntie Kang with a plan to get into ML home.. She moved to the capital just for this reason of course it didn't make matters any better when step mom ask her if she had anyone around her to make as a concubine after the Grand Aunt of GTy concubine couldn;t get any where with him so of course she would comply especially after the lies she's told to those women about how ML took over the Sheng house..

 

I'm looking forward to how ML handkles these two vicious villians.. Step mom hooking up with the Aunt to see if ML would reject her.. ML sees through ste mom plans and the Aunts.. I tell you if she didn't have her in her book of bad and good deeds she has made herself a reciept now.. ML lives of the idea you do bad to me you can expect my bad in return.. Step mom by all means out to get rid of ML away from GTY because she can't make him out to be Her plan is to keep using those barrowed knifes of hers until the end..    

 

I see now step mom plans are getting more evil then before, She needs to get rid of ML and GTY by all means, I think it's time ML and GTY take one from the step mom books and use barrowed knives to go after her.. I think 4th and 5th Aunts and Uncles will be good at this job even grand Aunt will be of help all thats needed for the fourth house is getting the son out of exile and for the fifth house a piece of money will do are threaten to break up the houses they would comply.. 

 

AS GTy says pretentious display of proper etiquette should be displayed for all to see when handling such a person as evil step mom.. It's time they starts ripping that mask off her face for all to see asap..

2 hours ago, Mena Mohamed said:

But that concubine thing.Did she know that he doesn`t touch her or not? also she asked him about her in ep 54 if she make any trouble for him.well.Minglan.I lift up my hat for your coldness .she looks like he totally doesn`t care when her maid said GTY was cold these days.and when he was mad going to the court she said maybe there`s some problem there..where is your smart head girl:pensive:

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About their fight scene.was that fight scene that we were waiting for?.i don`t think they will sort out their feeling that way:blink:.But also it was so funny when ML rode that thing and he change his tone voice and say i won`t ride with her.he is so childish when it come to ML really:joy:.

@Mena Mohamed  We all see GTY loves his wife to no end, It's not a concubine love and affection he wants.. GTY wants ML love and affection.. He's totally right she don't have a clue to what love is and to recipricate the love thats given to her.. Until he figures out how to get her to treat him equally which she don't there marriage will always have problems regardless to how many concunbines are brought in, All because she's scared of a mans heart changing..    

 

2 hours ago, Katrina Abdul Talib said:

Again my POV aft watching up to eps 54.. if GTY's proposal was on equal grounds with QT (did not involve palace) and dowries still not sent, I think marrying QH should be the better option. 

 

That QH and ML without doubt and known to many are in love, being mamas boy and tht mama now have consented, their live could be less problematic, less stressful hence more peaceful and happier??... prolly even having lots of children (QH had twins right?)

 

We can feel how sincere and open both were when they had that conversation on the bridge.

@Katrina Abdul Talib  GTy had every right to make his marriage possible by all means.. Even if the proposal was over the top involving the courts.. That's a man you call a go getter something that QH don't have the guts to do.. He's been sheltered by his mom and Dad titles has always not having to work for anything he has until he had to take the test for the imperial exam and still everything he needs always been provided for him.. I don't think he's the man for her because all of ML past aggression he wouldn't have a clue on how to address them or get her to talk about them.. As far as QH mom goes it would have came to the point she would find something to look down on her status about.. Remember how ruthless QH mom is and a leapord don't change they spots overnight regardless to what she had experience.. If QH falls from grace in the courts and no mom and dad to fall back on.. How would he survive to proviode for a family if he has one.. There's no go out and get things done in him he's just a whinny mamas boy carrying a grudge.  

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34 minutes ago, aoife86 said:

 

I actually think Dr. He is the better option regarding peaceful and happier marriage life. Dr. He already decide not to take his cousin as concubine and his grandma and mother like ML. He’s not that wealthy but not poor either, no need to be afraid about food and etc, no palace drama, no one will want to kill them. He’s unlikely to take concubine too because again he’s not that wealthy and isn’t an official, and based on what I saw, he’s not a womanizer.

 

Didn't he cave and take his cousin in after she played the suicide card? He then sent her to their country home to look after his mother.

 

Of the three, QH, Dr He and GTY, there is only one ruthless enough to protect her from bullying relatives wanting to stuff in concubines. 

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