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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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57 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

For one I'm not really feeling pity for QH anymore, he made faults, GTY made faults, Dr He made faults, but those 2 didn't deluded themselves that it was because of people that they lost what they lose, so he really needs to wake up because it's getting so much like a baby losing its candy cry.. And I think GTY really cherishes ML and his cherish is one of the reasons ML feels anxious too, saying it's too good for her.... They both just need to not put some clause of the past over their relationship.. 

Have you ever seen a grown man cry? It’s not a matter of losing its candy. To QH he lost the love of his life and at that moment when he broke down and cried in front of uncle. I cried too. I felt sympathetic towards him, I know he is trying his best to forget ML. But you can see how agitated he becomes when she is mentioned just a bit as if to say I was already trying to forget her than she is mentioned and I’m back to square one. It’s true that he needs to let go, but it is a matter of time. Not something you can force. The more you force the more miserable you become from pretending you’re ok. And at that point QH showed that he wasn’t ok.

 

 

I keep laughing at Big Madam, her facial expressions every time she tries to dodge awkward situations. LMAO 

Stepmom really met her match, ML knew well that if she didn’t accept this concubine it can cause a discord between grand aunt and GTY which stepmom hoped for. But even though ML was able to dodge it, her plan didn’t go to waste as the concubine was accepted. 

Its really sad how woman were treated as tools from families and like a toy for a man’s need. And the talk with Danju really brings to light the things that woman in their time had to swallow. What woman really want to share their man, now GTY is time to prove your oath to ML. 

 

Shitou defended Xiaotao she’s not a dummy. So cute. :wub: I don’t know if shitou came to get information about ML or he came to flirt with Xiaotao. 

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3 hours ago, leeza77 said:

Wow.. Ml & gty wax wedding figure Madame Tussaud’s Wax Museum, just arrived today.

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Wow. Their wedding now immortalised!

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16 minutes ago, Katrina Abdul Talib said:

SH and wife reacted very swiftly and quietly when Molan was caught.

 

Even when little mother died, for years no one except ML dared open her mouth.

 

GTY should learn from the Shengs..

 

The Sheng shenanigans are problems within families, even if something bad happened, the whole family would just solve it inside the house, to outsider they still have to act like one harmonious family, not airing their dirty laundry for everyone else to see or going around killing each other. Plus, they don't have ED and other officials waiting to find faults on them.

 

I still don't understand what you want him to learn from the Shengs? In Molan's case was just her and her mother were at fault, and they still ended up giving Molan what she wants to save everyone's dignity, they could only keep her kneeling for a few days and then that's it. Concubine Lin was merely a servant, she is technically a slave under SH and Big Madam's hand, they can beat her to death and no one would care, no one could criticize them. In Concubine Wei's case, only a few servants were punished, ML didn't speak up because her father wouldn't listen. He let the murderer roamed free for years, what should GTY learn from that?

 

Unlike the concubine, MN is a free civilian, his stepmother is a high born noble, a main wife with good reputation, his uncles and aunts are all nobles and his elders. He can't force them to kneel or beat them all to death like Concubine Lin and other servants? Even though his family is trash, to outsiders and enemies, they still have to keep up appearances as a family, if the family is not at peace, it only implicates GTY even more.

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23 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

 

The Sheng shenanigans are problems within families, even if something bad happened, the whole family would just solve it inside the house, to outsider they still have to act like one harmonious family, not airing their dirty laundry for everyone else to see or going around killing each other. Plus, they don't have ED and other officials waiting to find faults on them.

 

I still don't understand what you want him to learn from the Shengs? In Molan's case was just her and her mother were at fault, and they still ended up giving Molan what she wants to save everyone's dignity, they could only keep her kneeling for a few days and then that's it. Concubine Lin was merely a servant, she is technically a slave under SH and Big Madam's hand, they can beat her to death and no one would care, no one could criticize them. In Concubine Wei's case, only a few servants were punished, ML didn't speak up because her father wouldn't listen. He let the murderer roamed free for years, what should GTY learn from that?

 

Unlike the concubine, MN is a free civilian, his stepmother is a high born noble, a main wife with good reputation, his uncles and aunts are all nobles and his elders. He can't force them to kneel or beat them all to death like Concubine Lin and other servants? Even though his family is trash, to outsiders and enemies, they still have to keep up appearances as a family, if the family is not at peace, it only implicates GTY even more.

So true.. What should be learnt from the Sheng, hide under the radar of pretending that everything idls fine when it's actually getting on your nerves.. I don't know what's to be learnt from the shengs.. It's because the shengs do not give way for complaints that's why ML is somehow broken way on the inside, so should GTY also just put a blind eye to everything and hope everyone keeps quiet about the problems in the family just for reputation and peace even if that means the people in the family will not have a happy life and will always be as if they are on a death roll.. There is nothing to learn from the shengs at all, but things to be corrected from the shengs.. So the best way for him to make sure they have a happy and true peaceful life is what he is doing and he wishes hlshe rataliates, the way ML also thinks they can be in collaboration together is what she is also doing, so she wishes he also understands.. They both have their flaws and they must also learn to have their peaceful home without the influence of no one else but them

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1 hour ago, cherubstomato said:

Omg QH was being so petty but when GTY was rubbing salt on his wounds and telling him how it is whether he keeps being in denial or not, he had to remind him and it hurt me to see QH cry. Because I can feel how much regret and resentment he must have for losing the love of his life. :bawling:  If I think about it, it’s like the saying, we were destined to meet but not to be together. :bawling: I am a little at agitated with GTY, because I feel he should be a little sympathetic towards QH. But like I said he is an opportunist and a go getter. I understand QH can not trust GTY again. Although he prayed ML to have a good husband, the last person he wanted to take her away was someone who was close/related to him.... But in due time hope he gets a wake up call and let go his pain and just learn to accept that ML was the love that got away. Now that GTY has taken ML from QH and Dr He, all the more he should cherish and treasure ML. 

 

GTY didn't take her from anyone. QH and her had no longer had any relation whatsoever after he married, I don't care if he had reasons or not, their relationship was over, period. In modern term, they had broken up and she's single, that's it, anyone could try to court her and QH had no say in it.

 

Dr. He hadn't even officially proposed to ML yet, so he also had no claim on her. In modern term, they hadn't become an official couple yet, so again, she's still single, any could try to court her and sent proposal gifts to her house and Dr. He couldn't say anything.

 

After his wife died, QH only INTENDED to go ask for her hand, but he didn't actually do it, he didn't even tell anyone of his intention, how could anyone suppose to know what he wanted? He couldn't just expect her to stand in one place waiting for him? Hadn't it occur to him that there can be other guys who like her too? He could at least ask around to see if there's anyone else, if he did, he would have known about Dr. He and he might had the chance to act faster. But he didn't do it. If GTY wasn't there, he would have still lost to Dr. He with his way of handling things. His tantrum right now towards GTY is just him unable to cope with his own incompetency, him looking for someone to blame on for his misery. The mature thing to do is to face your mistake, move on and let your wound to be healed. Both ML and GTY had met with as much pain and struggles as him, if not more; but they didn't sulk in a corner being bitter and blaming the world, they moved on, that's why they are able to be happy with each other now. QH not only refuses to let go, but he tries to drag others down with him just because he's unhappy is nothing less of an angry child and a sore loser. Until he's willing to admit that this is his own damn faults, he has no right to blame it on anyone.

 

And GTY didn't rub salt in his wound, agitating QH do no one no good, why would he do such stupid things? He was just trying to tell QH what he did wrong, trying to get him to face his mistakes, not blaming on others; he told him point blank because he cared about QH and he wanted him to move on.

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10 hours ago, frenchfan said:

Everyone seemed to be having babies : Changbai's wife, Hualan, Rulan and Madame Zhang (General Shen's main wife).  So exciting.  I do hope that ML will be pregnant soon too.  I wait impatiently every day to watch the next episodes and then the next.  It is getting super exciting.  The plot thickens, my impression of evil stepmom has only deepened and now, add to the mix is Madame Kang.  I am sure Molan's downfall is soon enough since her husband has found out their "fated" meeting at the temple was orchestrated.  Poor guy.    

 

IMO, Liang Han is actually quite a pity guy. Maybe I have a soft spot for him as I think his looks is very charming lol. But if only Molan actually knows her place and idk being a good wife for him after marriage is better but no. She had to scheme at their house against the concubines and must have done something to his babies. Governess Kong is so correct when she said that Molan is smart and sharp and outstanding in all matters. But she always let herself smart and regard everyone else as fools. A smart man can be ruined by his smarts.

 

Hopefully Liang Han's brain get the hints given by ML during the fight and Molan's maid in his room. 

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1 hour ago, cherubstomato said:

Have you ever seen a grown man cry? It’s not a matter of losing its candy. To QH he lost the love of his life and at that moment when he broke down and cried in front of uncle. I cried too. I felt sympathetic towards him, I know he is trying his best to forget ML. But you can see how agitated he becomes when she is mentioned just a bit as if to say I was already trying to forget her than she is mentioned and I’m back to square one. It’s true that he needs to let go, but it is a matter of time. Not something you can force. The more you force the more miserable you become from pretending you’re ok. And at that point QH showed that he wasn’t ok

I actually didn't mean him crying literally, I meant him resolving to forcing things and not letting go on the impossible.. QH is very smart and he knows what's right from wrong but because of him not being OK, he resulted into the denial that everything that happened was unfair when he reality, it was the situation that messed things up.. Just like ML told him, he can't be blamed that he wanted to save his father, that's an admirable act in itself, so he also can't blame time for not waiting for his schedule.. So he should learn to take things positively and not always think he is the centre of the world and everything that happens weaves around him.. Even if he does know GTY, it's not because of him that GTY wanted to marry ML, that's what I meant by acting like a kid crying for it's stolen candy,when in fact he was the one that left it hanging.. 

In short, it takes time, but he should learn to let go, he is hurt so was everyone that was involved during that relationship, but since he received the biggest blow, instead of trying to find faults in someone else, he should take a step back and think twice on his own faults and not always see himself as the perfect being.. 

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11 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

 

GTY didn't take her from anyone. QH and her had no longer had any relation whatsoever after he married, I don't care if he had reasons or not, their relationship was over, period. In modern term, they had broken up and she's single, that's it, anyone could try to court her and QH had no say in it.

 

Dr. He hadn't even officially proposed to ML yet, so he also had no claim on her. In modern term, they hadn't become an official couple yet, so again, she's still single, any could try to court her and sent proposal gifts to her house and Dr. He couldn't say anything.

 

After his wife died, QH only INTENDED to go ask for her hand, but he didn't actually do it, he didn't even tell anyone of his intention, how could anyone suppose to know what he wanted? He couldn't just expect her to stand in one place waiting for him? Hadn't it occur to him that there can be other guys who like her too? He could at least ask around to see if there's anyone else, if he did, he would have known about Dr. He and he might had the chance to act faster. But he didn't do it. If GTY wasn't there, he would have still lost to Dr. He with his way of handling things. His tantrum right now towards GTY is just him unable to cope with his own incompetency, him looking for someone to blame on for his misery. The mature thing to do is to face your mistake, move on and let your wound to be healed. Both ML and GTY had met with as much pain and struggles as him, if not more; but they didn't sulk in a corner being bitter and blaming the world, they moved on, that's why they are able to be happy with each other now. QH not only refuses to let go, but he tries to drag others down with him just because he's unhappy is nothing less of an angry child and a sore loser. Until he's willing to admit that this is his own damn faults, he has no right to blame it on anyone.

 

And GTY didn't rub salt in his wound, agitating QH do no one no good, why would he do such stupid things? He was just trying to tell QH what he did wrong, trying to get him to face his mistakes, not blaming on others; he told him point blank because he cared about QH and he wanted him to move on.

I very much agree with you. I want to add that he didn’t think about ml’s feelings. Let’s be honest he humiliated her, put her and her granny in a difficult position, made her criticized in society so it was likely she didn’t want to wait for something that could never happen and even that she stopped loving him. Their love was still young love, not tested, not developed so ml had every right to move on. He didn’t put himself once in her shoes even when he decided the second time that he wanted to marry her. Love as everything else needs to be cherished nurtured and protected, if not it disappears. He couldn’t expect anything from her, even without the machination of gty.

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2 hours ago, cherubstomato said:

Viki is broke on iPhone users ugh...

 

EPISODE 51:

Omg QH was being so petty but when GTY was rubbing salt on his wounds and telling him how it is whether he keeps being in denial or not, he had to remind him and it hurt me to see QH cry. Because I can feel how much regret and resentment he must have for losing the love of his life. :bawling:  If I think about it, it’s like the saying, we were destined to meet but not to be together. :bawling: I am a little at agitated with GTY, because I feel he should be a little sympathetic towards QH. But like I said he is an opportunist and a go getter. I understand QH can not trust GTY again. Although he prayed ML to have a good husband, the last person he wanted to take her away was someone who was close/related to him.... But in due time hope he gets a wake up call and let go his pain and just learn to accept that ML was the love that got away. Now that GTY has taken ML from QH and Dr He, all the more he should cherish and treasure ML. 

 

I feel so sad for GTY kids. So sad to be birth with evil mother. 

That sixth Liang has no idea. He really pushed the buttons. Lol SH has been kept in the dark far too long, good for him to realize that CL is not just a liar who played him but also a murderer and his daughter Molan as well. 

 

Hmm...I'm not sure I feel the same about QH honestly. 

I'm more with @Suzzy San and @sava2sava 

Call me cold, but I don't  have much sympathy for him left..

 

When he first promised ML everything, and asked his mom for permission at the worst possible time, it was arguable that he was young, and naive.

But when the mom dropped the bomb and made them siblings, he continued to promise her that he will change the mom's mind. 

The grand plan? Goes on hunger strike. <_<

The last straw was BuWei does everything to help him andq got found out by the mom, and was beaten to death, what did he do? Nothing.

Even the not-so-bright Rulan knew to protect her servant. 

When push comes to shove, he bailed. 

No explanation. He disappeared. 

 

When he found out that GTY is marrying her, his first response was to get him to break it off..

But has it ever occured to him to even ask her if she's willing party before trying to break them off? 

Sure, he would probably not be able to see her, but it didn't change the fact that his first reaction was to go to GTY to break off, and humiliate her again...

 

Now, arguably he is doing the right thing because he believes GTY is not a man of integrity. But it's later confirmed that it's more personal grudge than professional. 

On one hand he prayed for her happiness, and on the other hand, he goes on to destroy her husband's career. 

That's saying a lot about wishing her happiness. 

Regardless if ML married GTY for love, she married him. 

If GTY goes down, she does too. 

If GTY goes to jail, she becomes a convicts wife. 

If GTY dies, she becomes a widow. 

Never occurred to him?

 

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8 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

 

GTY didn't take her from anyone. QH and her had no longer had any relation whatsoever after he married, I don't care if he had reasons or not, their relationship was over, period. In modern term, they had broken up and she's single, that's it, anyone could try to court her and QH had no say in it.

 

Dr. He hadn't even officially proposed to ML yet, so he also had no claim on her. In modern term, they hadn't become an official couple yet, so again, she's still single, any could try to court her and sent proposal gifts to her house and Dr. He couldn't say anything.

 

After his wife died, QH only INTENDED to go ask for her hand, but he didn't actually do it, he didn't even tell anyone of his intention, how could anyone suppose to know what he wanted? He couldn't just expect her to stand in one place waiting for him? Hadn't it occur to him that there can be other guys who like her too? He could at least ask around to see if there's anyone else, if he did, he would have known about Dr. He and he might had the chance to act faster. But he didn't do it. If GTY wasn't there, he would have still lost to Dr. He with his way of handling things. His tantrum right now towards GTY is just him unable to cope with his own incompetency, him looking for someone to blame on for his misery. The mature thing to do is to face your mistake, move on and let your wound to be healed. Both ML and GTY had met with as much pain and struggles as him, if not more; but they didn't sulk in a corner being bitter and blaming the world, they moved on, that's why they are able to be happy with each other now. QH not only refuses to let go, but he tries to drag others down with him just because he's unhappy is nothing less of an angry child and a sore loser. Until he's willing to admit that this is his own damn faults, he has no right to blame it on anyone.

 

And GTY didn't rub salt in his wound, agitating QH do no one no good, why would he do such stupid things? He was just trying to tell QH what he did wrong, trying to get him to face his mistakes, not blaming on others; he told him point blank because he cared about QH and he wanted him to move on.

Exactly. GTY didnt take her from anyone, QH resulted to be a fillial son and sacrifice his love for his father, it's admirable.. As such, ML became single.. Dr. He decided to respect and care for family before stranger, another admirable deed, ML became single again.. And then GTY that has been planning to take ML, married her while she was single, if GTY actually took her from anyone, it will be from Dr. He and not QH, since he was involved in bringing the cousin back, which will still happen even after the marriage, so why not face every problems before marriage with Dr. He.. So GTY owes no one any explanation or any excuse for marrying ML and he also doesn't have to cherish her because of anyone too but because he truly and sincerely wants to.. All these Dr. He or QH have nothing to do with the marriage or their relationship.. They are just her past, and everyone has one. 

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1 hour ago, sava2sava said:

I don't buy SH crap about not knowing CL was involved in this.. He's a man of the court and not only that he knew she was the only one with motive to do something like this.. SH played dumb just for the simple fact he didn';t want to tarnish the SHeng family good name or lose his face..Ml told him as a child how they were starving and no heat in the home.. He really didn't do a thing about it.. SH never cared for ML or her mom.. What tees me off even more is that he didn't have to sleep with her if he wasn't going to be responsible for the children he fathered with her.. 

 

SH cares for his reputation rather than justice.  He probably like so what CL murdered ML's mother. He doesn't want to hang his dirty laundary. In future episodes, will see more how dipsh*t SH is when grandmother get poison. Luckily Chang Bai wasn't like this SH 

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9 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

 QH is very smart and he knows what's right from wrong but because of him not being OK, he resulted into the denial that everything that happened was unfair when he reality, it was the situation that messed things up.. 

Sorry for cutting your post...

He is apparently very smart...

Yet, to date, none of his actions seem anything smart to me...

 

It doesn't seem like it occurred to him that he's only indirectly hurting the woman he wished happiness for by trying to destroy her husband? 

It didn't occur to him that while he got married, widowed, studied for exam, passing the exam that ML could potentially move on?

On what terms was he so convinced, after everything that has happened, that ML still loves him and want to be with him when he goes around throwing tantrum, accusing GTY of stealing her, and worse, ask GTY to break it off?

Does it ever occured to him that he ruined her reputation when he went on to marry the princess, and could potentially do more damage if someone cancelled the wedding with her?

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1 hour ago, cherubstomato said:

 Shitou defended Xiaotao she’s not a dummy. So cute. :wub: I don’t know if shitou came to get information about ML or he came to flirt with Xiaotao. 

 

I assumed both hahaha :wub:

15 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Sorry for cutting your post...

He is apparently very smart...

Yet, to date, none of his actions seem anything smart to me...

 

It doesn't seem like it occurred to him that he's only indirectly hurting the woman he wished happiness for by trying to destroy her husband? 

It didn't occur to him that while he got married, widowed, studied for exam, passing the exam that ML could potentially move on?

On what terms was he so convinced, after everything that has happened, that ML still loves him and want to be with him when he goes around throwing tantrum, accusing GTY of stealing her, and worse, ask GTY to break it off?

Does it ever occured to him that he ruined her reputation when he went on to marry the princess, and could potentially do more damage if someone cancelled the wedding with her?

 Worse he acted against ML but I can assumed that he actually thinks he doing this for the benefit of ML. He probably wanna show to ML how "bad" GTY but he never had a moment and thinks the effects to ML... because of this QH become the tools for the ED against the emperor and his confidents haih :dissapointed:

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27 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Sorry for cutting your post...

He is apparently very smart...

Yet, to date, none of his actions seem anything smart to me...

 

It doesn't seem like it occurred to him that he's only indirectly hurting the woman he wished happiness for by trying to destroy her husband? 

It didn't occur to him that while he got married, widowed, studied for exam, passing the exam that ML could potentially move on?

On what terms was he so convinced, after everything that has happened, that ML still loves him and want to be with him when he goes around throwing tantrum, accusing GTY of stealing her, and worse, ask GTY to break it off?

Does it ever occured to him that he ruined her reputation when he went on to marry the princess, and could potentially do more damage if someone cancelled the wedding with her?

Can't agree with you more. 

 

QH is downright selfish in his actions. He could have made ML's life potentially very difficult by pitting against GTY in the court especially at that era where women have very very limited social position. It didn't even occurred to him that ML had moved on and that the world does not revolve around him. It's probably due to his growing up condition where what QH wants, QH gets. So possibly one of the reason why he couldn't move on from ML is because he couldn't have ML. It's so childish like a child who consistently whine when he could not have something he wants. I find it absolutely disgusting when QH told ML that he pines after her day and night. The underlying context, I don't want to elaborate.. 

 

 He's married for god sake and for 2 times! It is really unfair to his current wife, especially when the marriage was not forced. He's getting very annoying as a character. I hope he grows up and move on. 

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2 hours ago, sava2sava said:

You may call GTy and opppourtunist but I see him as a go getter.. GTy has seen the ways of the world at a very young age and knows nothing comes to a sleeper but a dream.. If you want something you have to by all means go after it and thats what he did.. GTY seen the rare jewel that ML was something that QH never knew was there and still to this episode not know.. If ML had married him she would have for ever been living in her shell with a lot of bottle up emotions pint up inside her that would have been enough to kill her.. Not counting all that QH mom would have been doing to her just because of the fact she's a concubines daughter..   

 

I don't buy SH crap about not knowing CL was involved in this.. He's a man of the court and not only that he knew she was the only one with motive to do something like this.. SH played dumb just for the simple fact he didn';t want to tarnish the SHeng family good name or lose his face..Ml told him as a child how they were starving and no heat in the home.. He really didn't do a thing about it.. SH never cared for ML or her mom.. What tees me off even more is that he didn't have to sleep with her if he wasn't going to be responsible for the children he fathered with her.. @ForgottenSoulx  Who was the person we were conversing with on SH and how much of a dirt bag father he is towards ML.. I really wanted to reach out and touch him in the last episode for trying to slap ML in regards to the witch,.. My thoughts went back to Molan sleeping around in a temple but he didn;t slap her nor raised his hands to hit her..  I was hoping ML check Molan husband about her minduing her own business. But he'll learn soon enough what kibd of woman he married she's no different then her mom there's no love there..

 

Molan so jealous of Ming Lan all she wishing and praying for his for ML downfall.. She's praying for ML husband to fall out of grace with the court.. But she still has no idea no matter how hard she falls she still has a bed of money to fall on and bounce back up.. It's not like they ate depending in the courts to provide for them and ML has a business mind set I'm sure she could make them even more richer of she puts her mind to it.. 

Well said @sava2sava. All Sheng Hong ever care about is himself and the family reputation. He was manipulated and did not care he was being used. Old Mrs Sheng told him the death of the concubine was his fault. She reminded him about her own child’s death because of said concubine. With the plot of seducing, she reminded him about that he gave her CL to much power and favored his CL’s children that is why He was locked up for three days I the Emperor ‘s study because they lack morals and discipline. The fact that he still wants to act like CL is a gentle Lady why didn’t he bury her in the farmstead. Smh smh smh If she was such a good woman. He is such a liar and despicable human being.

 

2 hours ago, dito said:

 

I was thinking that too. But he seemed fine with GTY inheriting the title. Maybe he's being used by ED to frame GTY....he doesn't seem like a smart cookie.....thinking that GTY respects his mother and had a good relationship with her before.   

 And gifted concubines always come with ulterior motives. They come to fulfill the intentions of the gift giver....good or bad.

@dito.... He is weak and he doesn’t love his brother. You are right he is dumb and pathetic. Smh smh 

1 hour ago, gleek49 said:

 

The Sheng shenanigans are problems within families, even if something bad happened, the whole family would just solve it inside the house, to outsider they still have to act like one harmonious family, not airing their dirty laundry for everyone else to see or going around killing each other. Plus, they don't have ED and other officials waiting to find faults on them.

 

I still don't understand what you want him to learn from the Shengs? In Molan's case was just her and her mother were at fault, and they still ended up giving Molan what she wants to save everyone's dignity, they could only keep her kneeling for a few days and then that's it. Concubine Lin was merely a servant, she is technically a slave under SH and Big Madam's hand, they can beat her to death and no one would care, no one could criticize them. In Concubine Wei's case, only a few servants were punished, ML didn't speak up because her father wouldn't listen. He let the murderer roamed free for years, what should GTY learn from that?

 

 

@gleek49 Well said , GTYshould never mimic The Sheng Justice System. If he did that I think he would have ended up dead. Look at how Little Mdm Qi is tryingto kill him so her son can Inherit. Her son is so dumb , all the power would have gone to her and he would remain a puppet. Sometimes when I watch GTY’s stepmom , I don’t think she loves her son at all. When her son was arrested she wasn’t that distraught like the other mother’s of GTY’s family. 

 

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Hmm...I'm not sure I feel the same about QH honestly. 

I'm more with @Suzzy San and @sava2sava 

Call me cold, but I don't  have much sympathy for him left..

 

When he first promised ML everything, and asked his mom for permission at the worst possible time, it was arguable that he was young, and naive.

But when the mom dropped the bomb and made them siblings, he continued to promise her that he will change the mom's mind. 

The grand plan? Goes on hunger strike. <_<

The last straw was BuWei does everything to help him andq got found out by the mom, and was beaten to death, what did he do? Nothing.

Even the not-so-bright Rulan knew to protect her servant. 

When push comes to shove, he bailed. 

No explanation. He disappeared. 

 

When he found out that GTY is marrying her, his first response was to get him to break it off..

But has it ever occured to him to even ask her if she's willing party before trying to break them off? 

Sure, he would probably not be able to see her, but it didn't change the fact that his first reaction was to go to GTY to break off, and humiliate her again...

 

Now, arguably he is doing the right thing because he believes GTY is not a man of integrity. But it's later confirmed that it's more personal grudge than professional. 

On one hand he prayed for her happiness, and on the other hand, he goes on to destroy her husband's career. 

That's saying a lot about wishing her happiness. 

Regardless if ML married GTY for love, she married him. 

If GTY goes down, she does too. 

If GTY goes to jail, she becomes a convicts wife. 

If GTY dies, she becomes a widow. 

Never occurred to him?

 

Wel said chingu @m0us3y

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1 hour ago, m0us3y said:

Sorry for cutting your post...

He is apparently very smart...

Yet, to date, none of his actions seem anything smart to me...

 

It doesn't seem like it occurred to him that he's only indirectly hurting the woman he wished happiness for by trying to destroy her husband? 

It didn't occur to him that while he got married, widowed, studied for exam, passing the exam that ML could potentially move on?

On what terms was he so convinced, after everything that has happened, that ML still loves him and want to be with him when he goes around throwing tantrum, accusing GTY of stealing her, and worse, ask GTY to break it off?

Does it ever occured to him that he ruined her reputation when he went on to marry the princess, and could potentially do more damage if someone cancelled the wedding with her?

That is what he lacks, the courage to face his own problems, he is smart but he is also a coward.. So his smartness is basically not useful. :joy:.. 

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Yes I know QH is being silly and petty. I SYMPATHIZE with him because I see his regret and pain but I am not DEFENDING his current actions. There are things in life that are beyond our capabilities and for QH, being with ML was one of them. I sympathize with him because no matter if he tried the universe went against him, that’s just life and they weren’t destined to be together. 

 

I dont care if GTY had offered QH help before. GTY was a man who had nothing to lose, he can bet his life on anything. But QH is not the same. He is not someone who can risk and bet on chances.... Therefore I understood why he turned GTY down when he offered to help. QH and Dr. He can’t do what GTY did, schemed his way to get ML.

 

Take away is the wrong word, I’m not blaming GTY for marrying ML. I’m speaking from QH POV the last person he’d want to see ML be with is someone who is related/close to him. Because the regret he has is amplified by it. More so feeling betrayed. Yes, I understand him feeling betrayed. You’d be lying to yourself if you were in QH situation you wouldn’t feel a bit of resentment towards a friend whom you confided in about the person you love and than the next thing you know, they are together...

 

Sure, they all should’ve moved on but if I were GTY I wouldn’t touched ML even if I had feelings for her. That’s why I understood QH when he brought up the past of them together, as if GTY didn’t value their relationship since he went behind his back to marry ML.... Granted ML is no one’s property, but going behind his back I mean that he didn’t come to QH like a man to let him know what’s up. Maybe there would’ve been a fair match between them but GTY can’t take that risk because I know that GTY must have ML, that’s why he only confronted QH after all was said and done.. GTY acted ignorant in front of QH like he didn’t know he hadn’t moved on but he knew that next person he going to have to face is QH. Really now? 

Maybe that is just me and my views in life and how I value the bonds of the small relationships I have. It’s fine for me if GTY and QH can’t go back to the way they used to be. I’m not going to condemn neither of them for it. In fact I don’t expect them to. 

 

I agree that it is unfair to QH current wife. Because he thought he could force himself to heal, force himself to accept that life should go on. Therefore he got married, and focused himself on his career, yet he is still hasn’t fully moved on. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, m0us3y said:
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Hmm...I'm not sure I feel the same about QH honestly. 

I'm more with @Suzzy San and @sava2sava 

Call me cold, but I don't  have much sympathy for him left..

 

When he first promised ML everything, and asked his mom for permission at the worst possible time, it was arguable that he was young, and naive.

But when the mom dropped the bomb and made them siblings, he continued to promise her that he will change the mom's mind. 

The grand plan? Goes on hunger strike. <_<

The last straw was BuWei does everything to help him andq got found out by the mom, and was beaten to death, what did he do? Nothing.

Even the not-so-bright Rulan knew to protect her servant. 

When push comes to shove, he bailed. 

No explanation. He disappeared. 

 

When he found out that GTY is marrying her, his first response was to get him to break it off..

But has it ever occured to him to even ask her if she's willing party before trying to break them off? 

Sure, he would probably not be able to see her, but it didn't change the fact that his first reaction was to go to GTY to break off, and humiliate her again...

 

Now, arguably he is doing the right thing because he believes GTY is not a man of integrity. But it's later confirmed that it's more personal grudge than professional. 

On one hand he prayed for her happiness, and on the other hand, he goes on to destroy her husband's career. 

That's saying a lot about wishing her happiness. 

Regardless if ML married GTY for love, she married him. 

If GTY goes down, she does too. 

If GTY goes to jail, she becomes a convicts wife. 

If GTY dies, she becomes a widow. 

Never occurred to him?

 

So well said, I feel nothing for him at all.. I don't even feel any pity for him, he messed up outrightly so he should just stick to his own fate and not go creating problems for people in the name of doing official work.. QH is a very very very selfish man and a dogmat that sticks to his own opinion whether right or wrong, whether favorable for other people or not, and he doesn't even make the right plan to make it work.. In short QH is a more problematic than all those villains, at least they are intentionally harming ML but he thinks he is doing well for her, like what kind of sense does that make.. He should just agree that he wants to ruin GTY by force whether it destroys ML or not.. At this point, he is just satisfting his own selfish anger and just lying to himself that he is doing official work and more so trying to save ML from GTY.. What an annoying character QH is really.. :triumph:

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6 hours ago, cherubstomato said:

 

Sure, they all should’ve moved on but if I were GTY I wouldn’t touched ML even if I had feelings for her. That’s why I understood QH when he brought up the past of them together, as if GTY didn’t value their relationship since he went behind his back to marry ML.... Granted ML is no one’s property, but going behind his back I mean that he didn’t come to QH like a man to let him know what’s up. I know that GTY must have ML, that’s why he only confronted QH after all was said and done.. GTY acted ignorant in front of QH like he didn’t know he hadn’t moved on but he knew that next person he going to have to face is QH. Really now? 

Maybe that is just me and my views in life and how I value the bonds of the small relationships I have. It’s fine for me if GTY and QH can’t go back to the way they used to be. I’m not going to condemn neither of them for it. In fact I don’t expect them to. 

Anybody can have feelings for anyone, GTY had feelings for her, but he never tried to marry her then when QH and ML were still trying to work things through, He admired her which is very normal since feelings can be felt for anyone.. He only decided to actively propose to her when they ended their relationship and he saw how sad she felt.. So he decided that no matter what he will marry her and make her happy.. So I don't think he owe QH any kind of explanation that 'I love your girl, when she is no more and she was never to be very honest his, QH was just like anyone that's trying to court any girl, so he just took it to a greater lever by being obsessed over and had fantasies and infatuation for her... Telling him to me is just being stupid as if ML has the surname Qi to her name.. I understand that you felt that based on their relationship, he should have told him but I think no matter the relationship, no third person should be involved in their private biz.. 

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In what way do I view ML as an object owned by QH? I never said ML should’ve waited for QH to fix his family issues, passed the exam, and marry him? 

I never said ML should’ve asked permission to QH before marrying GTY or Dr. He. 

 

Im not talking about ML POV, I’m talking about the relationship between QH and GTY. Man to man. Brother to brother. 

 

Imagine if one of ML trusted maid betrayed her and becomes a concubine to GTY. That is the point I’m saying, that I understand QH POV to why he holds some resentment towards GTY. I also know GTY POV, but there’s no reason for me to highlight it since everyone agrees to GTY pov. I’m highlighting QH POV because I sympathize with him in Episode 51. 

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