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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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5 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

I never said GTY accepted the Concubine but he did accept when ML suggest he go with her for the night.. Oh i know a good idea i want her to open up so let me go pretend to be the concubine im sure she will change what she think's after this.. 

 

Maybe the knew about MN but they never knew about the children and im pretty sure they knew about MN but never knew he planned to make her a concubine right? 

 

I never said GTY is a evil character but at the moment he was evil in what he was doing. I know your point was not what he did to make her feel like this? That was my reasoning as to maybe why shes a bit like this.

 

My original reply to you was about you saying she should not question his character i simply gave a reason why she might question his character.. 

 

 

I'm baffle at your use of the word "evil". And again, ML does not question his character, she's literally the one person who has the most trust in his character.

 

And why are you not getting it? If she accepted the concubine then it is within expectation that he's gonna sleep with her. She acts like she doesn't care so why should he care? Why is he has to be the one who runs after her and beg her not to throw him to other women?  

 

But nvm, you obviously did not get my point at all, so why bother? We're just going in circle if we continue like this.

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1 hour ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

Yeah it was evil and wrong. GTY picked a weak wife he could basically force MN and his children on to me that was pretty evil, he was not living openly in the city with MN and the kid's and that family did not know about MN and the kid's. 

 

1 hour ago, deslynn88 said:

I remember GTY picked Yanran because she had a good reputation as a kind and sweet girl (not necessarily weak).  He was also sympathetic about her position in her family that is ruled by her mean step-mother and step siblings who bully her (very similar GTY's own and ML's situation).  GTY was upfront about everything to ML, including how he is still actively searching for his son.  If Yanran's family would have considered him and they moved towards marriage, I think he would have been honest about MN and the kids before the actual wedding.

 

Lol...you beat me to it. GTY chose Yanran, not because she was weak, but because she was seen as very virtuous by many people.  She didn’t discriminate against the brothel women when they needed help with something  (based on info from courtesan at polo match) so he felt that Yanran would not discriminate against giving MN a position so that the kids can have a place in the family.  I don’t see being virtuous as weak, however it didn’t help that Yanran really was too soft a person. Aside from Rong’er and Chang’er, I think he already made up his mind about not having any more Shu or illegitimate children. Not saying anything outright about women and children that a man had prior to marriage is actually the norm in those times (even in modern times in certain social groups). If a man wanted to take responsibility and they’re “considerate”, they usually bring it up once they’ve married and their wife has established themselves in their position as the main wife so that when concubines enter the picture, they’re not as threatened. This is the ideal situation but we all know things can go differently as seen in the Sheng household. 

 

ML’s actions/reactions are both experience bound and era bound. It’s common for other women to enter prestigious households, why not do it her own way. No matter how much GTY can say or show his love, it’s not GTY but other women. For me, i think it’s that saying, “It’s not you I don’t trust, but I don’t trust them.” Because there are many tricks that women had in those days. He was tricked before just as her father was tricked and 6th Liang was tricked. Both GTY and ML were lucky that lady hadn’t been told by Aunt Kang or Stepmom to drug GTY, then that night would have been a whole different story. If she focuses on her role as Main Wife, she can still love him, but she can separate concubine matters as any other household duty, especially when she’s taught by Grandma to not rely on him excessively. And I also think that for ML, if she fully allows herself to be immersed in GTY the way he is with her, loosing him would devastate her more than anything else. However, men (even though GTY who knows her best) will still never fully understand this part of a woman’s heart. ML also never really seeing love being expressed, doesn’t know how to assuage GTY’s insecurity. Her trying to be sugary like MN or CL, would be just like how Da Niang was when she tried it :lol:. It’s both of them needing to be clearer in their communication with each other about these matters and understanding of each other’s POV’s. 

 

This whole part also matches one of the interpretations of the poem, the green should be plush and the red lean. I saw it somewhere that it was about the domestic life of women in that era, and also of aging. Women, often loose their sway on their husbands as they get older (husbands loose interest) and younger ones are presented to their prestigious husbands as concubines. It’s another thing that wives in this era sees as inevitable so she can’t fully rely on a husband.

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54 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

 

I'm baffle at your use of the word "evil". And again, ML does not question his character, she's literally the one person who has the most trust in his character.

 

And why are you not getting it? If she accepted the concubine then it is within expectation that he's gonna sleep with her. She acts like she doesn't care so why should he care? Why is he has to be the one who runs after her and beg her not to throw him to other women?  

 

But nvm, you obviously did not get my point at all, so why bother? We're just going in circle if we continue like this.

 

So if ML accept's concubines that means GTY has to pretend to go with them to make ML more insecure and back up her insecurities? 

 

He should have just flat out said im not spending time with the concubine i only want you and will only ever want you.. instead he decides to try make her jealous. 

 

Which point did i not get because you never really made any good point, i also never said ML questions his character i was simply giving a reason as to WHY maybe she might question his character.

 

w/e end it here im bored of this conversation. 

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The confrontation of Yuanrao and GTY was so well done.He didn't go out of his character.He truly believed that GTY has swindled Manninag like him and would do the same to the emperor.He was making sure that no one else is hurt due to GTY by bringing it up in the court.He still lacks foresight like before.

He has blinkers on while arriving at conclusions about situations. It ends up hurting him when things go differently than anticipated.

It does lays the foundation of why ML would have a conversation with him.She is the only one who can make him take a deeper look at how he has been handling things.

 

The tangled relationships would smoothen out.The process has begun.This week is going to be an eventful one in the Marquis household.

Just wish the subbing was faster.

 

Note to self: Never start watching a drama until it is subbed half way through.

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I hate waiting as well its the worse thing possible i was going to wait until show finishes and catch up but that is hard as well. 

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I'm already too deep into this mess. My day is revolving about waiting for the raws everyday(3pm+ my time). I'm going to feel so empty when this drama is done.

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9 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

I'm already too deep into this mess. My day is revolving about waiting for the raws everyday(3pm+ my time). I'm going to feel so empty when this drama is done.

 

Also apparently China has banned Palace drama's now.. My Queen Dugu and Zhao Ge better still be able to air, been waiting age's for these and they would make me feel less empty haha.

 

 Broadcast of palace intrigue dramas like Ruyi, Yanxi etc have been halted after the Chinese government media published an article listing 5 major negative effects of such productions, which include:

 

1. it has become fashionable to idolise the lifestyle of royalty, whereby those who bask in the glory of royalty end up being arrogant

2. The detailed portrayal of palace intrigues will worsen social evolution, which is incompatible with the socialist core values currently advocated by China, and a very real danger

3. Glorifying the era of emperors of ministers, detracting away from the glory of the current regime, the founding fathers of New China, model heroes and outstanding communists

4. Promoting luxury and pleasure, showcasing the extravagant style of the palace, which goes against the country's advocacy of the beautiful tradition of hard work

5. The one-sided pursuit of commercial interests while weakening positive spiritual guidance. Despite the commercial hype and success of such shows, there is no positive significance in cultural development

 

Original news article here.

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48 minutes ago, minglan1 said:

The confrontation of Yuanrao and GTY was so well done.He didn't go out of his character.He truly believed that GTY has swindled Manninag like him and would do the same to the emperor.He was making sure that no one else is hurt due to GTY by bringing it up in the court.He still lacks foresight like before.

He has blinkers on while arriving at conclusions about situations. It ends up hurting him when things go differently than anticipated.

It does lays the foundation of why ML would have a conversation with him.She is the only one who can make him take a deeper look at how he has been handling things.

 

The tangled relationships would smoothen out.The process has begun.This week is going to be an eventful one in the Marquis household.

Just wish the subbing was faster.

 

Note to self: Never start watching a drama until it is subbed half way through.

I like that ML has a heart to heart talk to straighten things out with QH's wife.  I thought she was being petty before but it was just insecurities.....which I supposed you cannot really blame her for.  She has a handsome young future duke as husband and he in turn is still holding a torch for someone else (who was notably prettier albeit from a lower societal level than her). I like the way ML handled things by holding the bull by its horn.  I hope that she managed to shake QH to at least wake him to reality and consequences of his actions.  

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Everyone seemed to be having babies : Changbai's wife, Hualan, Rulan and Madame Zhang (General Shen's main wife).  So exciting.  I do hope that ML will be pregnant soon too.  I wait impatiently every day to watch the next episodes and then the next.  It is getting super exciting.  The plot thickens, my impression of evil stepmom has only deepened and now, add to the mix is Madame Kang.  I am sure Molan's downfall is soon enough since her husband has found out their "fated" meeting at the temple was orchestrated.  Poor guy.    

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6 minutes ago, frenchfan said:

I like that ML has a heart to heart talk to straighten things out with QH's wife.  I thought she was being petty before but it was just insecurities.....which I supposed you cannot really blame her for.  She has a handsome young future duke as husband and he in turn is still holding a torch for someone else (who was notably prettier albeit from a lower societal level than her). I like the way ML handled things by holding the bull by its horn.  I hope that she managed to shake QH to at least wake him to reality and consequences of his actions.  

I am waiting eagerly for the next episode being subbed to watch what you have mentioned.

QH 's wife had made peace with the  situation of her household and wanted to do best by her husband till the dolls surfaced.It pierced a needle in her heart to stir the uncharitable thoughts again.

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2 minutes ago, frenchfan said:

Everyone seemed to be having babies : Changbai's wife, Hualan, Rulan and Madame Zhang (General Shen's main wife).  So exciting.  I do hope that ML will be pregnant soon too.  I wait impatiently every day to watch the next episodes and then the next.  It is getting super exciting.  The plot thickens, my impression of evil stepmom has only deepened and now, add to the mix is Madame Kang.  I am sure Molan's downfall is soon enough since her husband has found out their "fated" meeting at the temple was orchestrated.  Poor guy.    

I am very happy about Molan getting her comeuppance.Her masterstroke of using her husband to advocate for getting her mother's tablet enshrined becomes her biggest blunder.

Pity she is to clever by half.

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Just now, minglan1 said:

I am very happy about Molan getting her comeuppance.Her masterstroke of using her husband to advocate for getting her mother's tablet enshrined becomes her biggest blunder.

Pity she is to clever by half.

It's like seeing Lin Niang all over again.  Like mother like daughter.  She is like a tap turning on and off her crocodile tears at will. No doubt she has learned all those fainting spells, blinking her eyes looking pitiful, migraine (call me a doctor please) etc etc etc......

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12 minutes ago, frenchfan said:

Everyone seemed to be having babies : Changbai's wife, Hualan, Rulan and Madame Zhang (General Shen's main wife).  So exciting.  I do hope that ML will be pregnant soon too.  I wait impatiently every day to watch the next episodes and then the next.  It is getting super exciting.  The plot thickens, my impression of evil stepmom has only deepened and now, add to the mix is Madame Kang.  I am sure Molan's downfall is soon enough since her husband has found out their "fated" meeting at the temple was orchestrated.  Poor guy.    

 

Omg just imagining all these babies playing together ah would be cute.. season two follow's the baby's? We can hope. 

 

All i know is i skipped to the end of episode 51 and start of 52 to see ML act tough at the dinner table. 

5 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

@ForgottenSoulx LOL. China's censorship rules......

 

Yeah if Queen Dugu does not air ima be so mad cause this is like a incredible story, we think about what GTY's love meant but imagine a Emperor only having a one true love and no concubines until she died and even then all his kid's were her's. 

 

I suppose they can still air online but still.. china is wanting to make TV and Online have the same rule's. I wonder if this means just harem focused drama's or does it mean any drama with a royal family making a appearance who knows with china.

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25 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

Also apparently China has banned Palace drama's now.. My Queen Dugu and Zhao Ge better still be able to air, been waiting age's for these and they would make me feel less empty haha.

 

 Broadcast of palace intrigue dramas like Ruyi, Yanxi etc have been halted after the Chinese government media published an article listing 5 major negative effects of such productions, which include:

 

1. it has become fashionable to idolise the lifestyle of royalty, whereby those who bask in the glory of royalty end up being arrogant

2. The detailed portrayal of palace intrigues will worsen social evolution, which is incompatible with the socialist core values currently advocated by China, and a very real danger

3. Glorifying the era of emperors of ministers, detracting away from the glory of the current regime, the founding fathers of New China, model heroes and outstanding communists

4. Promoting luxury and pleasure, showcasing the extravagant style of the palace, which goes against the country's advocacy of the beautiful tradition of hard work

5. The one-sided pursuit of commercial interests while weakening positive spiritual guidance. Despite the commercial hype and success of such shows, there is no positive significance in cultural development

 

Original news article here.

I hope they won't yank Minglan off air.

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6 minutes ago, minglan1 said:

I hope they won't yank Minglan off air.

 

Nah they wont its not really Palace intrigue so maybe if palace stuff is a sub plot with no harem stuff its fine? 

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9 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

Omg just imagining all these babies playing together ah would be cute.. season two follow's the baby's? We can hope. 

 

All i know is i skipped to the end of episode 51 and start of 52 to see ML act tough at the dinner table. 

Oh yes, she is one big mama tiger!  The way she threw her chopsticks was like :hushed:  I like it when she goes fierce.  Ha ha ha.  I faithfully watch ALL episodes so as not to missed out on anything.  

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6 minutes ago, frenchfan said:

Oh yes, she is one big mama tiger!  The way she threw her chopsticks was like :hushed:  I like it when she goes fierce.  Ha ha ha.  I faithfully watch ALL episodes so as not to missed out on anything.  

 

Yeah i loved when she threw her chopstick's finally.. and SH still need's a bigger telling off its not enough for me at all. 

 

I watch all episode's as well im just a few episode's behind but been waiting for the chopstick scene for day's haha.

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