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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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2 hours ago, leeza77 said:

Everytime I see stepmom, I feel like giving her a whack on the face.  

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7 hours ago, dramaninja said:

I dont get this when she just as blind  as what she is doing to her  husband again I dont get this one sided thing going on.

 

You think what she doing isnt hurtful to him as well?I dont get this really this was no small matters at all.

 

Different was ML was doing it by accident but GTY was setting out to hurt ML.

5 hours ago, gleek49 said:

 

 

5. Honestly, her not trusting him is an insult to his character. He has been telling her over and over again that he will be good to her, that there won't be another woman. It's understandable that her past experiences make it hard for her to trust him, but to him, this is telling that she doesn't think he's better or different than any other men in her life. It's like when you promise someone something, they say they believe you, but in the back of their mind they always wait for you to break that promise, like they don't trust your integrity at all. How is that not hurt?

 

I mean this is the same GTY that had two children outside of marriage, wanted to marry a weak girl so he can make MN a concubine..

 

2 hours ago, dopez said:

On the other hand, in episode 50 when ML, Danjuu and XT were in the room together discussing Chang er whereabout...

 

XT: Shitou told me that MN has an older brother.

Danjuu: Shitou tells you everthing?

XT: He even bought me fried cherry form the Nanbeo Store

Danjuu: *Show a 'knowing' smile*

Me: Omooo my kokoro <3

 

Omgggg if they did not explicitly ends up together in this drama, this girl gonna cryyyyy!

 

Edit: In the latest raw, who's gonna marries Danjuu tho... I hope Danjuu still serves ML.

 

Im not sure how this works but if you maid marry's they leave right? nooo i dont want Danjuu or Xiatao to ever leave ML :(

 

1 hour ago, shihuangdi said:

So, is this ManNiang storyline over for good? I hope she is gone for good, but as stepmother said, she managed to destroy GTY 2 potential marriage prospect, is she really running out of ideas now? I feel like she is quite smart - she managed to find the Bai family and scheme with them to get rid of GTY, and then with stepmother. Did Chang'er really died?

 

For some reason i got a feeling hes still alive. 

2 minutes ago, frenchfan said:

Everytime I see stepmom, I feel like giving her a whack on the face.  

 

Please tell me step mom dies and gets slapped by ML pleaseeeee.

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11 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

Different was ML was doing it by accident but GTY was setting out to hurt ML.

 

I mean this is the same GTY that had two children outside of marriage, wanted to marry a weak girl so he can make MN a concubine..

 

 

1. ML is the one who accepted the concubine, she herself knows that he's gonna sleep with that girl one way or another, he did not set out to hurt her, he was doing exactly what she told him to do. He's just mad that she didn't seem to bother letting him sleeping with other girls, he might as well do exactly that, right?

2. How is that the same? Please elaborate? At that time he did not know that MN was evil, he would have to marry a main wife anyway, what was so wrong about him trying to find one who's nice and more likely to accept MN and his children? So you think he was evil for doing that or what? Should he just marry any girl without caring if said wife is going to throw his children out?

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@frenchfan Ooh, its sad that his son died so young. But even if he didn’t die, MN would have use him to do evil thing, so at least now she has nothing to use against GTY.

 

Also, what did ML call GTY before (after they got married)? I think she only calls him gua ren after they got conferred the marquis title. 

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4 minutes ago, shihuangdi said:

@frenchfan Ooh, its sad that his son died so young. But even if he didn’t die, MN would have use him to do evil thing, so at least now she has nothing to use against GTY.

  

Also, what did ML call GTY before (after they got married)? I think she only calls him gua ren after they got conferred the marquis title. 

 

ML always called GTY "Er Shu" (2nd Uncle), which is what QH always called him.  QH is related to GTY and GTY is the same generation as his parents so that's why he calls him Uncle even though they are not that far apart in age.

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8 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

They are different guys.

 

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The guy at the Polo match is Shen Guo Jiu (empress’s younger brother) who is also general. 

I’m guessing the one ML going to slash is either one of GTY’s Bai relatives or someone from stepmom’s side. 

 

 

Ok.Thanks for the clarification.

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@deslynn88 i mean after they got married? Did she still call him er shu? I think when GTY told her not to call him Gua ren, she said then do you want me to call you er shu, so I think she stop calling him er shu after they got married. 

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About the son being dead. Before they found MN and the grave GTY and ML had this conversation (translation credit: jolie_vie)

 

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ML sketched several drawings of ZMN and on the quiet gave out to trusted few to go round gather more information. Eventually hard work paid off…..
GTY: after ZMN left, she was targeted by Bai family (GTY’s mother’s maternal family), she couldn't resist material benefits offered by Bai family, hence collaborated with them. Bai family brought her to BianJing wtth the intention to kill me. You have no son, Changge’er becomes the one and only heir apparent, they can then manipulate Changge’er like a puppet, they promised MN 10-20% of the inheritance, greedy MN agreed to come & kill me.
ML: you wrote a will and appointed a beneficiary, they don’t know it’s blank, killing you won’t be useful
GTY: that’s why they’re working from both on the inside and outside, linked up with next-door. after i’m gone, Bai family will let my stepmother invite the clan elders to state that my blank will is invalid, they’ll then support Changge’er is my only heir apparent. Bai family’s condition, Changge’er is still too young to serve in the court, rightfully let my 3rd half bro GTWei bear ^ carry on the marquis title
ML: kill high rank court official just to get hold of marquis assets…this is…this is death penalty, how dare they?
GTY: but this is not a bad matter, it’s good news
ML: what good news
GTY: at least i know Changge’er is part of their plan, my Chang’er is still alive
Bai family’s boats with salt shipment (GTY’s maternal grandfather’s merchant biz) were attacked. YangZhou side report that Bai family have no news of Changge’er,
GTY: i cannot let Changge’er be like me, live without a father even though father is there. i must find him

 

So if the son was dead why did MN still try to go through with the plan ...:huh:

 

And this is what happens to MN after the slap (translation credit: jolie_vie) 

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When ZMN started to talk ML slapped her and warned her she’ll be slapped again if she talks. He finally saw bones of a child. GTY told ZMN not to see Ronger forever, if he ever sees her again in BianJing city she’ll never see sunlight, then ordered ShiTou to find a deserted village and leave her there, if she ever dare take one step out of that village GTY will look for the man in-charge. GTY was devastated.

 

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31 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

 

1. ML is the one who accepted the concubine, she herself knows that he's gonna sleep with that girl one way or another, he did not set out to hurt her, he was doing exactly what she told him to do. He's just mad that she didn't seem to bother letting him sleeping with other girls, he might as well do exactly that, right?

2. How is that the same? Please elaborate? At that time he did not know that MN was evil, he would have to marry a main wife anyway, what was so wrong about him trying to find one who's nice and more likely to accept MN and his children? So you think he was evil for doing that or what? Should he just marry any girl without caring if said wife is going to throw his children out?

 

ML accepted the concubine but does she really knows shes hurting GTY by doing this? I dont really think so.. GTY went out of his way to make ML jealous or upset her...

 

So because he didnt know MN was evil that disregards anything he richard simmons done? he still had sex with a female outside of marriage and got her pregnant not once but twice.. this already shows how he was as a man.

 

What's wrong with him hiding the fact he has 2 children and another women from the person hes intending to marry? you really just asked that... He wanted to keep it hidden then basically force that wife to accept them..

 

Are you re writing history or just blind.. he was never upfront about MN or his children to the lady he intended to marry he wanted that hidden until he married her so yeah he was evil for attempting to do that. 

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2 minutes ago, shihuangdi said:

@deslynn88 i mean after they got married? Did she still call him er shu? I think when GTY told her not to call him Gua ren, she said then do you want me to call you er shu, so I think she stop calling him er shu after they got married. 

 

She calls him guan ren.....after he inherited the title she calls him Hou ye. If I compare it with english forms of address.....then she's calling him My Lord....and he wants her to call him My Dear/ My Darling.

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44 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

 

1. ML is the one who accepted the concubine, she herself knows that he's gonna sleep with that girl one way or another, he did not set out to hurt her, he was doing exactly what she told him to do. He's just mad that she didn't seem to bother letting him sleeping with other girls, he might as well do exactly that, right?

2. How is that the same? Please elaborate? At that time he did not know that MN was evil, he would have to marry a main wife anyway, what was so wrong about him trying to find one who's nice and more likely to accept MN and his children? So you think he was evil for doing that or what? Should he just marry any girl without caring if said wife is going to throw his children out?

It was hilarious when that lady woke up in the middle of the night alone cause GTY had snuck out. She waited all that time and he didn’t touch her.

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Let's all keep a civil attitude when posting.  No need to call anyone names or insult each other.  This is just a drama based on a fictional web novel.  None of the characters are real. 

 

And we are all just fans that are enjoying the drama.  It is fine to have different opinions on the characters and plotline.  We can post our thoughts but that doesn't mean that others have to agree with us. Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree. 

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11 minutes ago, hello210 said:

It was hilarious when that lady woke up in the middle of the night alone cause GTY had snuck out. She waited all that time and he didn’t touch her.

Jajajaja he just look too cute to try and find excuses to make her wait till she fall asleep.

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22 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

ML accepted the concubine but does she really knows shes hurting GTY by doing this? I dont really think so.. GTY went out of his way to make ML jealous or upset her...

 

So because he didnt know MN was evil that disregards anything he richard simmons done? he still had sex with a female outside of marriage and got her pregnant not once but twice.. this already shows how he was as a man.

 

What's wrong with him hiding the fact he has 2 children and another women from the person hes intending to marry? you really just asked that... He wanted to keep it hidden then basically force that wife to accept them..

 

Are you re writing history or just blind.. he was never upfront about MN or his children to the lady he intended to marry he wanted that hidden until he married her so yeah he was evil for attempting to do that. 

 

1. Again, he stayed in that girl's room because she wanted him to, which part of it is "went out of his way"?

2. Yes, I was blind, he was "evil" for sleeping with a woman before marriage, because all of the men in the drama were virgins before marriage. Yes, he was wrong, literally everyone in the drama and audience was trashing him for it, but at that point the children were born already, he still had to take care of them and he tried his best to find a solution for them, you called that "evil"? It's not like the girl would be completely screwed being his main wife? She was going to be main wife, the power would still be in her hand if she's smart enough. He made mistakes, I'm not denying that, he's still paying for it until today. I thought we got pass this? I thought we all agree that he has earned his rights to start over? Why are you still holding this over his head?

3. You're still not answering my question. I'm saying that it hurts him that ML always expect him to betray his promise, betray her. How is that mistake of his that you were talking about remotely similar to what I was saying?

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I thought it was cute that GTY and ML helped their friends overcome some of the barriers due to the concubine.  And the friends got prego after :wub: Now they just need to deal with their own barriers.

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7 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

2.Yes, I was blind, he was "evil" for sleeping with a woman before marriage, because all of the men in the drama were virgins before marriage. Yes, he was wrong, literally everyone in the drama and audience was trashing him for it, but at that point the children were born already, he still had to take care of them and he tried his best to find a solution for them, you called that "evil"? It's not like the girl would be completely screwed being his main wife? She was going to be main wife, the power would still be in her hand if she's smart enough. He made mistakes, I'm not denying that, he's still paying for it until today. I thought we got pass this? I thought we all agree that he has earned his rights to start over? Why are you still holding this over his head?

I concur. The only reason GTY faced critique was because the other men of that time made the women they slept with have abortions or just cast them and their illegitimate children aside like they were trash.

GTY taking in MN and especially his children despite so much censure from the public and his family is what makes me admire him. IMO casting them aside (or even getting rid of them like his family suggested) would have been evil.

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I really enoying the way the drama portrays ML&TY's marriage/life. Its not always smooth sailing & 

fields of flowers, but seeing them both tackle/fix problems head on together is great. Good riddance to those horrible servants & farmstead contracts.

 

It's bittersweet that ML is projecting her sentiment towards TY that stems from her father's shortcomings since childhood. It's understandable that ML doesn't want to be disappointed & hurt, but TY has proven himself on many occasions that he genuinely loves her w/ all his heart. Hopefully, more development will address this internal conflict. Communication is key for both characters. 

 

I wonder if ML would feel this kind of sentiment if she'd chosen QH. QH is such a boring alternative & hasn't shown to be formidable. He passed the imperial exam & he's virtuous, but he's just bland in terms of characterization. He reads like a pampered saint on blank paper, which doesn't make for an interesting character. TY is realistic & he's such a defined/well-rounded character w/ history & experience, while transcending through struggles, much like ML.

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40 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

 

1. Again, he stayed in that girl's room because she wanted him to, which part of it is "went out of his way"?

2. Yes, I was blind, he was "evil" for sleeping with a woman before marriage, because all of the men in the drama were virgins before marriage. Yes, he was wrong, literally everyone in the drama and audience was trashing him for it, but at that point the children were born already, he still had to take care of them and he tried his best to find a solution for them, you called that "evil"? It's not like the girl would be completely screwed being his main wife? She was going to be main wife, the power would still be in her hand if she's smart enough. He made mistakes, I'm not denying that, he's still paying for it until today. I thought we got pass this? I thought we all agree that he has earned his rights to start over? Why are you still holding this over his head?

3. You're still not answering my question. I'm saying that it hurts him that ML always expect him to betray his promise, betray her. How is that mistake of his that you were talking about remotely similar to what I was saying?

 

I mean he still could have refused and said right there and then ML i only want you , but instead he went out of this way to try make her jealous...

 

No hes Evil in that situation to keep it a secret that he has another women and 2 children before marriage. He clearly intended to force the children and another concubine on his weak wife without letting her know before hand.

 

Im not saying hes wrong to look after his kid's/MN but not telling the wife before hand is incredibly wrong.

 

Why would ML trust GTY's character based on what she knows hes done in the past.. him saying he will only love her and only her mean's nothing during that era. 

 

The first comment of yours i replied to was about you defending his character..like hes some righteous no mistake saint, she has every right to question and think about his character. 

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1 hour ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

ML accepted the concubine but does she really knows shes hurting GTY by doing this? I dont really think so.. GTY went out of his way to make ML jealous or upset her...

 

So because he didnt know MN was evil that disregards anything he richard simmons done? he still had sex with a female outside of marriage and got her pregnant not once but twice.. this already shows how he was as a man.

 

What's wrong with him hiding the fact he has 2 children and another women from the person hes intending to marry? you really just asked that... He wanted to keep it hidden then basically force that wife to accept them..

 

Are you re writing history or just blind.. he was never upfront about MN or his children to the lady he intended to marry he wanted that hidden until he married her so yeah he was evil for attempting to do that. 

I'm confused everyone knows he married MN and he has children when he wanted to marry Yanran, the only fault was that he was trying to sabotage someone's happiness for his mistress and children's peace.. While he was even oblivious of how evil the stupid mistress he is fighting for is.. GTY lived some stupid and dumb days back then though.. Wow 

 

36 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

 

1. Again, he stayed in that girl's room because she wanted him to, which part of it is "went out of his way"?

2. Yes, I was blind, he was "evil" for sleeping with a woman before marriage, because all of the men in the drama were virgins before marriage. Yes, he was wrong, literally everyone in the drama and audience was trashing him for it, but at that point the children were born already, he still had to take care of them and he tried his best to find a solution for them, you called that "evil"? It's not like the girl would be completely screwed being his main wife? She was going to be main wife, the power would still be in her hand if she's smart enough. He made mistakes, I'm not denying that, he's still paying for it until today. I thought we got pass this? I thought we all agree that he has earned his rights to start over? Why are you still holding this over his head?

3. You're still not answering my question. I'm saying that it hurts him that ML always expect him to betray his promise, betray her. How is that mistake of his that you were talking about remotely similar to what I was saying?

Exactly, ML, even though she had no choice accepted the concubine, and she even believed that he will sleep with her, so he is just doing what she planned, even though it hurts each other, so I think the concubine issue was a misdeed from both of them, even after accepting the lady, she shouldn't always view it that he will sleep with her, and even though she viewed it like that, GTY shouldn't also play along the game and become as childish as her.. So it's still the same saying, they should just argue and pour everything out from their heart.. 

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