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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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25 minutes ago, callshu said:

 There is a saying, if a man loves a children that means, he still loves the mother of those children. 

I'm sorry but I really hate that saying cause it basically also says that a man will stop loving his own children if he stops loving their mother. This is very unjust and insulting to fathers. 

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aaaaaaa so much popcorn in today's eps!!!!

 

Love that slap to Manniang's face, f her. So sad that Changer is confirmed to be dead though, was still expecting some elaborate scheming on part of Manniang that they had to outsmart to find him tbh. But at least mistress meanie is out the equation now. Also ML bringing out the truth in front of Molan's husband hahaha Molan rekt. Died when GTY came to rescue ML from her father's slap and asserted dominance loooooool and seeing grandma be relieved that someone else has ML's back was sweet.

 

Love love love the interactions between Shitou and Xiaotao, makes me wonder how they're going to react or help when their respective masters are having that big fight!

 

Also lol @ the GTY concubine part... idk what he was expecting but rip misunderstandings from things not going to plan :sweatingbullets:

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5 hours ago, leeza77 said:

 

Yes!! THE FIGHT is here people. 1.01 - 1.23....and 4.17 - 4.41...they changed the venue though.

 

ML tells him she just told QH to not keep hatred in his heart...she didn't go out of limits or something.

GTY says ....I know....I saw with my own eyes you didn't cross the limit??

Then ML says ....Then why are you still angry?

GTY replies ....You told Yuan Ruo to cherish the people next to him. But what about you? Have you ever cherished me? You gave me a concubine. what do you mean by doing that? 

Seems GTY is so upset he goes camping with shitou....and I assume is waiting for ML to come pacify him but CB comes instead and tells him if he doesn't like anything he needs to talk face to face with ML and clear everything. Then they kept talking in idioms or something...a lot of "left and right" were used. 

Next part is the one where hes drunk and ML is in the forest with him and he keeps asking her if she hates him again and again. And saying she must hate him coz he pushed her to marry him. And that he's afraid of her actually hating him.

 

I think Part 1 and part 2 of the fight and heart to heart are coming next week. Coz we have been introduced to the story track that brings about the part 2. The general who is challenging ML and GTY to a polo match. I think he's the same general whose beloved wife died saving the empress. He was unhappy when he soon got bestowed a wife by the new emperor. His life is about to get messy...

 

Also Danju is getting married...

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25 minutes ago, selen4ever said:

I'm sorry but I really hate that saying cause it basically also says that a man will stop loving his own children if he stops loving their mother. This is very unjust and insulting to fathers. 

I agree with you. clap-cheetah-emoticon.gif @selen4ever. This kind of saying is what ruins or prevent relationships to mature. The issue is on the man and his maturity. There are a lot of men who HATE THEIR BABY MOTHER BUT LOVE THEIR CHILDREN.  A man who doesn’t love their children is because he is dumb and immature. 

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56 minutes ago, dito said:

 

Yes!! THE FIGHT is here people. 1.01 - 1.23....and 4.17 - 4.41...they changed the venue though.

 

ML tells him she just told QH to not keep hatred in his heart...she didn't go out of limits or something.

GTY says ....I know....I saw with my own eyes you didn't cross the limit??

Then ML says ....Then why are you still angry?

GTY replies ....You told Yuan Ruo to cherish the people next to him. But what about you? Have you ever cherished me? You gave me a concubine. what do you mean by doing that? 

Seems GTY is so upset he goes camping with shitou....and I assume is waiting for ML to come pacify him but CB comes instead and tells him if he doesn't like anything he needs to talk face to face with ML and clear everything. Then they kept talking in idioms or something...a lot of "left and right" were used. 

Next part is the one where hes drunk and ML is in the forest with him and he keeps asking her if she hates him again and again. And saying she must hate him coz he pushed her to marry him. And that he's afraid of her actually hating him.

 

I think Part 1 and part 2 of the fight and heart to heart are coming next week. Coz we have been introduced to the story track that brings about the part 2. The general who is challenging ML and GTY to a polo match. I think he's the same general whose beloved wife died saving the empress. He was unhappy when he soon got bestowed a wife by the new emperor. His life is about to get messy...

 

Also Danju is getting married...

I felt like that's what it was, whaaaaaaat Danju! Don't go, Don't cry don't cry

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This preview has an longer fight scene. It continues from here...

GTY replies ....You told Yuan Ruo to cherish the people next to him. But what about you? Have you ever cherished me? You gave me a concubine. what do you mean by doing that? 

ML I did that for you. Your aunt and the one next door are determined to send them in. If I didn't accept now they would have pressured you. Both of them will not give up until we get one of the concubines in. 

GTY: You didn't do it for me. You did it for your Guan Ren, Your HouYe.

ML: But isn't that you.....my Guanren and Houye

GTY: I'm also your Er Lang and your Zhong Huai

ML: Yes you are also Er Lang and Zhong Huai....so?

 

OMG this girl is really dense....this guy has every right to be angry.

 

Anyone who understands Chinese please feel free to correct me......there was a lot I couldn't understand....and also my phone was on last 5% so I was in a rush to translate.

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10 hours ago, m0us3y said:

Suppressing her feelings. All to hide her pain within. 

The things she was forced/forced herself to do to survive well in the family. 

It's not that hard to see why it's so difficult for her to open up...so disinclined to express her feelings

 

Sorry for cutting your post:)

 

I'm going to paraphrase something ML says to GTY in the book....I'm paraphrasing google translation so I'm pretty sure its not accurate....but still it gives a hint of ML's thoughts. The drama may change these lines as ML already had a first love in the drama.

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This world is different for men and women. Men don't have to pay a price for falling in love, only women do.  You ran around doing ridiculous things for ten years then you came back with fame and were welcomed like a prodigal son. If I had taken one wrong step, my life would be ruined.

My childhood memories are of drowning in fear and worry about my future. It was due to granny's care and pity for me that I'm here today. 

Its already too late for me. Those kind of feelings between men and women, to fall in love....a shu daughter like me can't afford such a luxury. I'm someone without a heart. I'm sorry I can't help you to like me.

 

 

16 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

@dito Wow, i have no words...

 

I was literally cheering when he lost it and threw his hat at her:joy:

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47 minutes ago, dito said:

 

 

This preview has an longer fight scene. It continues from here...

GTY replies ....You told Yuan Ruo to cherish the people next to him. But what about you? Have you ever cherished me? You gave me a concubine. what do you mean by doing that? 

ML I did that for you. Your aunt and the one next door are determined to send them in. If I didn't accept now they would have pressured you. Both of them will not give up until we get one of the concubines in. 

GTY: You didn't do it for me. You did it for your Guan Ren, Your HouYe.

ML: But isn't that you.....my Guanren and Houye

GTY: I'm also your Er Lang and your Zhong Huai

ML: Yes you are also Er Lang and Zhong Huai....so?

 

OMG this girl is really dense....this guy has every right to be angry.

 

Anyone who understands Chinese please feel free to correct me......there was a lot I couldn't understand....and also my phone was on last 5% so I was in a rush to translate.

Wow your phone was on 5 precent and u can write and translate this much. Thats mvp. I appreciate for your translation.

 

What do he mean when he say HouYe and Guan Ren? Those 2 words means?

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49 minutes ago, dito said:

 

 

This preview has an longer fight scene. It continues from here...

GTY replies ....You told Yuan Ruo to cherish the people next to him. But what about you? Have you ever cherished me? You gave me a concubine. what do you mean by doing that? 

ML I did that for you. Your aunt and the one next door are determined to send them in. If I didn't accept now they would have pressured you. Both of them will not give up until we get one of the concubines in. 

GTY: You didn't do it for me. You did it for your Guan Ren, Your HouYe.

ML: But isn't that you.....my Guanren and Houye

GTY: I'm also your Er Lang and your Zhong Huai

ML: Yes you are also Er Lang and Zhong Huai....so?

 

OMG this girl is really dense....this guy has every right to be angry.

 

Anyone who understands Chinese please feel free to correct me......there was a lot I couldn't understand....and also my phone was on last 5% so I was in a rush to translate.

Wow.. ML is so dumb about the matters of the heart.. Before I thought she was just pretending or maybe deceiving herself.. But she is really dumb about all these love things.. Omg i really wish someone gives her a one on one lesson about love and marriage.. Truly she is seeing these as official thing about duty, ML ah ML let's be more vast.. I think this is actually past the Era, it's more of ML not knowing what her husband wants or what she wants.. 

 

24 minutes ago, dito said:

Sorry for cutting your post:)

 

I'm going to paraphrase something ML says to GTY in the book....I'm paraphrasing google translation so I'm pretty sure its not accurate....but still it gives a hint of ML's thoughts. The drama may change these lines as ML already had a first love in the drama.

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This world is different for men and women. Men don't have to pay a price for falling in love, only women do.  You ran around doing ridiculous things for ten years then you came back with fame and were welcomed like a prodigal son. If I had taken one wrong step, my life would be ruined.

My childhood memories are of drowning in fear and worry about my future. It was due to granny's care and pity for me that I'm here today. 

Its already too late for me. Those kind of feelings between men and women, to fall in love....a shu daughter like me can't afford such a luxury. I'm someone without a heart. I'm sorry I can't help you to like me.

 

 

 

I was literally cheering when he lost it and threw his hat at her:joy:

For me this problem has gotten way past the difference between men and women of that Era, it has gotten way past what her resolutions to life is, it has gotten way past what the world thinks, the problem is about the happiness of their family.. The husband she is trying hard to be a dutiful woman has told her what he wants, the house she is trying to make peace for is now on the verge of being in disorder, no man can be trusted, yes, but no one lives their life guarding against the one  man that is legally yours, anything can happen in the future, yes, but no one forgets about the joy of the present.. And all this is true and even though, the Era dictates these things as legal, this man has shown you time without number that unless there is an 100 percent reason for that, he will stand by you.. For me I do not need to love him back 100 percent but I still will love him as much as do myself.. ML needs to learn and let go of her discord with her heart.. It's that Era as an excuse is surely not the best way to go, the problem is ML's heart and supposed survival stints. Not the Era, not what the future brings, not if a man's love will change, these are not the problems.. The problem is what she has kept at her brain 

5 minutes ago, bulubulu said:

Wow your phone was on 5 precent and u can write and translate this much. Thats mvp. I appreciate for your translation.

 

What do he mean when he say HouYe and Guan Ren? Those 2 words means?

It's like an official terms for husband.. It's more like a distance term and not like an intimate one like Erlang.. It's more like addressing your boss

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54 minutes ago, dito said:

 

 

This preview has an longer fight scene. It continues from here...

GTY replies ....You told Yuan Ruo to cherish the people next to him. But what about you? Have you ever cherished me? You gave me a concubine. what do you mean by doing that? 

ML I did that for you. Your aunt and the one next door are determined to send them in. If I didn't accept now they would have pressured you. Both of them will not give up until we get one of the concubines in. 

GTY: You didn't do it for me. You did it for your Guan Ren, Your HouYe.

ML: But isn't that you.....my Guanren and Houye

GTY: I'm also your Er Lang and your Zhong Huai

ML: Yes you are also Er Lang and Zhong Huai....so?

 

OMG this girl is really dense....this guy has every right to be angry.

 

Anyone who understands Chinese please feel free to correct me......there was a lot I couldn't understand....and also my phone was on last 5% so I was in a rush to translate.

 

I could be the odd ball here. But I actually found the translation funny (haven't watched the extended preview). 

So while we were thinking of this and that, she's actually just THAT dense about love?? :lol:

 

32 minutes ago, dito said:

Sorry for cutting your post:)

 

I'm going to paraphrase something ML says to GTY in the book....I'm paraphrasing google translation so I'm pretty sure its not accurate....but still it gives a hint of ML's thoughts. The drama may change these lines as ML already had a first love in the drama.

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This world is different for men and women. Men don't have to pay a price for falling in love, only women do.  You ran around doing ridiculous things for ten years then you came back with fame and were welcomed like a prodigal son. If I had taken one wrong step, my life would be ruined.

My childhood memories are of drowning in fear and worry about my future. It was due to granny's care and pity for me that I'm here today. 

Its already too late for me. Those kind of feelings between men and women, to fall in love....a shu daughter like me can't afford such a luxury. I'm someone without a heart. I'm sorry I can't help you to like me.

 

I was literally cheering when he lost it and threw his hat at her:joy:

Actually, didn't they have that conversation already? Not the last bit of having no heart. But the fact that no matter what men do, they can always make a comeback. Women, on the other hand, never had that luxury. Their reputation is pretty much everything, their world confined...

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15 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

Wow.. ML is so dumb about the matters of the heart.. Before I thought she was just pretending or maybe deceiving herself.. But she is really dumb about all these love things.. Omg i really wish someone gives her a one on one lesson about love and marriage.. Truly she is seeing these as official thing about duty, ML ah ML let's be more vast.. I think this is actually past the Era, it's more of ML not knowing what her husband wants or what she wants.. 

 

For me this problem has gotten way past the difference between men and women of that Era, it has gotten way past what her resolutions to life is, it has gotten way past what the world thinks, the problem is about the happiness of their family.. The husband she is trying hard to be a dutiful woman has told her what he wants, the house she is trying to make peace for is now on the verge of being in disorder, no man can be trusted, yes, but no one lives their life guarding against the one  man that is legally yours, anything can happen in the future, yes, but no one forgets about the joy of the present.. And all this is true and even though, the Era dictates these things as legal, this man has shown you time without number that unless there is an 100 percent reason for that, he will stand by you.. For me I do not need to love him back 100 percent but I still will love him as much as do myself.. ML needs to learn and let go of her discord with her heart.. It's that Era as an excuse is surely not the best way to go, the problem is ML's heart and supposed survival stints. Not the Era, not what the future brings, not if a man's love will change, these are not the problems.. The problem is what she has kept at her brain 

It's like an official terms for husband.. It's more like a distance term and not like an intimate one like Erlang.. It's more like addressing your boss

Omggg thisss!!! I soo agree with you. Everytime people say "well in this era..." something about era i always think its an excuses like you mentioned. I love how you wrote this and agree to all. Thank you for your explanation. I am truely dissappointed at ML.

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Tbh, i'm sorta getting weary of GTY wanting ML to start loving and trusting him as a man and her husband..and with ML feeling insecure and maybe doesn't know what love really and truly is then y push her?, it's not like they got married due to love in the first place and he knew bcos he'd overheard her talking to her maid about her insecurities with her future and being cautious, y not let it rests and just go with the flow?..they got a whole lot of future as husband and wife together to teach her more about love and to trust in him, she will come around eventually...and i often wondered, if this was QH as her husband and she had some feelings for him before, would she had given him the love like how GTY is desperately seeking from her?

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17 minutes ago, m0us3y said:
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I could be the odd ball here. But I actually found the translation funny (haven't watched the extended preview). 

So while we were thinking of this and that, she's actually just THAT dense about love?? :lol:

 

Actually, didn't they have that conversation already? Not the last bit of having no heart. But the fact that no matter what men do, they can always make a comeback. Women, on the other hand, never had that luxury. Their reputation is pretty much everything, their world confined...

:joy:.. That conversation was so funny..ML is just dense at love.and she is just trying to excuse that with her smartness, talking about reputation, when we know ML doesn't care about that.. One thing is she is still hurt about her childhood experience, yes, but at this point she is just forcing herself to see GTY that way when she truly knows he is different, no one knows what we will be in the future, but at least we cherish our present.. That's the bottom line.. ML might be smart about everything but when it comes to love, she has long removed that teaching from her heart and when she needs to know what love holds, she is just dense about it. That's it. :lol:.. What ML needs to learn is cherish those who are beside her and not judging them based on the matters of the attitude of the same sex, somehow ML is broadminded but she is also narrow-minded.. 

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What did gty wants actually when he said those words. He accused ml as not cherishing her. Then, how to cherish him. Did ml care about him, be with him during the crisis, helping him with his daughter (wh not many woman can do that), worried about him whe he was injured, feel the sorrow with him when his brother pressured him to help the cousin. Ml might not tell him about her feeling bcoz she didn't yet realize her feeling towards him, but all the things she had done show her love and affection towards him. The have just married and so many things occured in their life. Ml was thrown into the chaos of gty's world with evil stepmom, aunties, empress dowager and manniang. She doesn't even have a breather for herself to analyse her feeling. 

Gty claim to know her well.. Then, be patient. Do not pressure her to declare her love. The love is in her heart. She will come around to do it in time. 

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12 minutes ago, jewelsc said:

Tbh, i'm sorta getting weary of GTY wanting ML to start loving and trusting him as a man and her husband..and with ML feeling insecure and maybe doesn't know what love really and truly is then y push her?, it's not like they got married due to love in the first place and he knew bcos he'd overheard her talking to her maid about her insecurities with her future and being cautious, y not let it rests and just go with the flow?..they got a whole lot of future as husband and wife together to teach her more about love and to trust in him, she will come around eventually...and i often wondered, if this was QH as her husband and she had some feelings for him before, would she had given him the love like how GTY is desperately seeking from her?

 

I dont think so, I think ml would have been more on guard. At least with gty she’s honest about her role as a wife. With qh, she’s just put up a facade and assume the virtuous role, with qh happily going with it. 

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@leeza77 I both agree and disagree. ML has more or less built a psychological shell around her heart. Unless it's something drastic she won't break out of it cause of safety reasons. Such things happens in modern day also. ML has gotten comfortable in her shell, so i don't think anything will change otherwise.

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6 minutes ago, jewelsc said:

Tbh, i'm sorta getting weary of GTY wanting ML to start loving and trusting him as a man and her husband..and with ML feeling insecure and maybe doesn't know what love really and truly is then y push her?, it's not like they got married due to love in the first place and he knew bcos he'd overheard her talking to her maid about her insecurities with her future and being cautious, y not let it rests and just go with the flow?..they got a whole lot of future as husband and wife together to teach her more about love and to trust in him, she will come around eventually...and i often wondered, if this was QH as her husband and she had some feelings for him before, would she had given him the love like how GTY is desperately seeking from her?

I don't feel weary at all, I'm even glad she got a husband that requests her love from her.. Just like how I feel sad for Qh's wife got married to a husband who doesn't request her love, I'm glad GTY is that man who requests her love. They might have not gotten married because of love but a wife having an husband who requests for her love is something I'm so grateful for.. She will never come around if she doesn't get pushed, that's the fact about ML because if she doesn't get pushed, she will keep thinking that's what her husband wants and he is satisfied with the way she acts as a virtuos wife, for someone who closes her feelings because she believes people can change and the future is unknown, she will never come around if someone doesn't make her know her lows.. And if GTY actually doesn't push her for love, she will further believe that he doesn't really love her after all and all what she thinks about men are the same.. So I'm glad GTY is finally showing her his angry side towards her behavior.. He had actually tried hard himself to endure and give her time but when she advised QH that he should cherish the peipl beside him, GTY must have been like, she knows this and why is she not doing it herself, if she thinks what she is doing is cherishing, the she is so wrong and I think I have to let her know it's not cherishing at all but just a pure 'let's just live somehow' behavior.. So I'm more than glad he lives her enough to make her realize her shortcomings, and also enough to push her and get angry at her.. If my husband accepts everything I do and doesn't even care enough to correct me or talk through with me, then I don't want that husband.. 

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4 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

I don't feel weary at all, I'm even glad she got a husband that requests her love from her.. Just like how I feel sad for Qh's wife got married to a husband who doesn't request her love, I'm glad GTY is that man who requests her love. They might have not gotten married because of love but a wife having an husband who requests for her love is something I'm so grateful for.. She will never come around if she doesn't get pushed, that's the fact about ML because if she doesn't get pushed, she will keep thinking that's what her husband wants and he is satisfied with the way she acts as a virtuos wife, for someone who closes her feelings because she believes people can change and the future is unknown, she will never come around if someone doesn't make her know her lows.. And if GTY actually doesn't push her for love, she will further believe that he doesn't really love her after all and all what she thinks about men are the same.. So I'm glad GTY is finally showing her his angry side towards her behavior.. He had actually tried hard himself to endure and give her time but when she advised QH that he should cherish the peipl beside him, GTY must have been like, she knows this and why is she not doing it herself, if she thinks what she is doing is cherishing, the she is so wrong and I think I have to let her know it's not cherishing at all but just a pure 'let's just live somehow' behavior.. So I'm more than glad he lives her enough to make her realize her shortcomings, and also enough to push her and get angry at her.. If my husband accepts everything I do and doesn't even care enough to correct me or talk through with me, then I don't want that husband.. 

Well said :thumbsup:

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