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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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18 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

@bulubulu You are looking at things from a heart pov - feelings. 

Others are looking at brain pov - thinking. 

Some of us, our lives are dictated by what we feel, and our actions are a result of that feeling. 

Others, are dictated by what we know, what is rational, and the actions are a result of the thought process. 

Often, the heart and brain are not aligned. 

 

If ML lived her life by what she feels, she wouldn't have survived till now. 

She felt the injustice, she felt the disparity, she felt the hate, she disliked embroidery. 

But she kept her head low, she played dumb, she let herself be the flawless daughter, she pretended to enjoy embroidery. 

Because the brain knows that's best for survival.

 

We applauded her for being able to let go, and not resent QH when he let her down. 

We applauded her when, despite the heartbreak, despite what she feels, she knows, and told Danju, "never look back"

Because while the heart felt the pain, the brain knows that QH is not right for her. 

 

She feels GTY's care, his love, his actions. 

In fact, she knows how much he has done for her. 

And we see that she too cares for him, that's beyond simply of duty and responsibility of a wife. 

But she also knows that

- promises/oaths can be broken : QH is a good eg. 

- their status diff. She's highly disadvantaged if anything happens. 

- the fact that she's a woman: when things go south, the price she needs to pay is a lot higher than the price he needs to pay 

- love may or may not last forever. 

We could say that GTY is not QH/Dr.He and can't be judged as one, but it is a case of once bitten, twice shy. 

 

All her life, she lives by what's rational.

One cannot expect a drastic change in that ingrained behaviour in short period. 

Change takes time. 

And her healing from all her past takes time. 

I believe she will come to him,..in time...

I am not someone who who makes things look deeper than it is. And im not saying that you are doing that. Maybe thats why i view this differently. Yes i also believed she will come to him in time too. I dont fully agree to everything you said but i can somewhat understand that. Till the drama ends then ill see if i have a different view. Till then, i'll remain with my own same thoughts.

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I see the link for novel in the first post but it stops at ch 20. Where can I get the whole novel translated to english? Thanks.

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37 minutes ago, jxs86 said:

I see the link for novel in the first post but it stops at ch 20. Where can I get the whole novel translated to english? Thanks.

https://www.novelupdates.com/series/legend-of-concubines-daughter-minglan/

You might have to wait a year if the translator is being consistent, otherwise you can choose to kill some brain cells with MTL (machine translation).

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13 hours ago, leeza77 said:

Fierce ml, protective gty  stupid sh

 

:tears: until now SH's still showing so much favouritism. 

Even after CL's death, poor ML is still fighting for justice...

Good to see GTY and Granny standing on her side. Even Rulan seems to be quietly supporting her. 

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After Ep 49 Minglan indeed do care for GTY.She is doing her wife role really well.she doesn`t falter in helping GTY with anything cuz that`s the wife role she is supposed to do.but when it come to her heart and feeling towards GTY.She isn`t fully understand what he needs from her.what he needs is to change her look into her heart and to fully accept him.Time for sure is what they need for each other.But For GTY.He is still getting hurt by her.as for ep 49.when she had no problem with him sleeping the night with MN.she may thought that`s the easy solution for now as he isn`t losing anything by it.But not for him.He was very hurt by that.Even i was shocked by u Minglan:tears:.isn`t there a little consider to his feeling a little.but i can feel that he still waits for her to open her heart.cuz every time GTY try and move closer to her heart.she always change the subject and u can see the hurt face of him:tears:.

and that`s will later shown in their fight cuz of QH.Hope that she`ll understand a little bit.we have to wait to see that happened.I hope everything will be clear to her by then so I really can`t wait to see that scene.

Also asking to meet QH in her home.like what:crazy:.even Xiaotao was shocked.so it`s right for GTY to be mad.mad isn`t  enough actually:sweatingbullets:.

And That MN.woah.let me give u a slap first .So sorry for GTY.after waiting for these years.he find that chang`er is dead.It hurts him as he doesn`t want to believe it.Hope to see u suffer more crazy MN:crazy:.

 

 

 

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Once again Sheng Hong proved that he is a disappointment as Ming Lan's father. Despite what he learned of Concubine Lin's deceit, he still favoured his two children from Concubine Lin.

 

He argued with his main wife over the choice of bride for Chang Feng and fall for Molan's act over her request for her mother to be place in the ancestry hall.

 

I dared Sheng Hong to slap Ming Lan is Gu Ting Ye's presence as Gu Ting Ye outrank everyone in that room. Sheng Hong will not be able to physically fight a "General"

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TY establishing himself as part of the imperial army is awesome. Now his whole family will kowtow to him. A bunch of unpleasant ingrates.

 

Ep.39 is great. I love that TY is ready to move mountains & rivers for ML. He is so patient/clever about it too, even though he knew he had to leave for the battlefront. He's so cunning, like ML. It's amusing that he used RL as as an excuse to get ML. I'm happy RL gets to marry the man she loves. I like that TY

professed everything to ML about his bold scheme to marry her & mentioning marriage prospect from way before since the river incident.

 

QH wanting to redeem himself by proposing to ML & his spiteful mother acting gracious to the Sheng Family makes me eyeroll. <_< Boo hoo. The conversation between TY & QH was good. TY stands firm & stays true to himself. He's a formidable man. I like that TY expressed his qenuine feelings towards ML to QH, even when TY said he wouldve help QH & ML be together. But QH is such a primly dolt. Thank goodness ML isnt settling for less or be treated like second choices. Moving forward is good.

 

The conversation between ML & grandma about TY has me grinning ear to ear, same w/ML & TY by the pond. ML being happy about TY exerting such energy to have her but anxious that he's frighteningly cunning/good is so delightful to see. TY is honest & sincere, a smooth talker to boot. He pours his whole heart out to ML & treats her like fine treasures. TY being resolute & putting ML's wellbeing/reputation

above everyone else is super. ML smiling & jolly is so cute. I'm so darn happy for these cuties.

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Reading about the love/trust/heart-opening between the two main characters...

 

All the back/forth says the producers/directors have done a great job with this series.  They have managed to wrap us into a world where women lived a very proscribed life and wound a love story into it. 

 

CAN MingLan step outside of her duties and societal position to trust the love and passion of her husband?  

 

This story is about the life, the restrictions and expectations, of an aristocratic woman in her time, the Song Dynasty.  Men were still fighting with swords!  

 

Interesting that most are transposing current feelings of romantic love onto a situation where no such thing likely existed.  Marriages were arranged between families, couples rarely, if ever, met prior to being married.  The life of an aristocratic woman was lived almost entirely in her own home and the "inner courtyard" machinations depicted were likely common.  

 

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I'm glad the drama simplified the MN-Changer arc. It would have been heartbreaking having to watch GTY, the lead we have come to love, having to choose between his son and the safety of his wife.

 

MN must be the craziest self-sabotaging gold digger in dramaland. She made unfathomable decisions at every turn. It was also wierd to me that she would kidnap the son for material gain and then keep him for years with no ransom demands. The drama version that he died early on makes more sense and explains MN subsequent mental state when she returned.

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32 minutes ago, watchumlots said:

Reading about the love/trust/heart-opening between the two main characters...

 

All the back/forth says the producers/directors have done a great job with this series.  They have managed to wrap us into a world where women lived a very proscribed life and wound a love story into it. 

 

CAN MingLan step outside of her duties and societal position to trust the love and passion of her husband?  

 

This story is about the life, the restrictions and expectations, of an aristocratic woman in her time, the Song Dynasty.  Men were still fighting with swords!  

 

Interesting that most are transposing current feelings of romantic love onto a situation where no such thing likely existed.  Marriages were arranged between families, couples rarely, if ever, met prior to being married.  The life of an aristocratic woman was lived almost entirely in her own home and the "inner courtyard" machinations depicted were likely common.  

 

Enjoyed reading your post.ML stays quite true to the era in her thoughts.Among the sword and spear wielding men GTY stands out. His progressive views can easily fit in the current century but would be an anomaly during the time he lived in.

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Can someone explain the exchange between GTY and the old lady that looked like she was at their place to deliver a concubine? 

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Y'all are scaring me are we saying that Grandma is going to be poison in episode 53 oh hell no

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2 hours ago, Jackie1048 said:

Once again Sheng Hong proved that he is a disappointment as Ming Lan's father. Despite what he learned of Concubine Lin's deceit, he still favoured his two children from Concubine Lin.

 

He argued with his main wife over the choice of bride for Chang Feng and fall for Molan's act over her request for her mother to be place in the ancestry hall.

 

I dared Sheng Hong to slap Ming Lan is Gu Ting Ye's presence as Gu Ting Ye outrank everyone in that room. Sheng Hong will not be able to physically fight a "General"

Unfortunately, SHENG father is one sad man. I think he feels regret over wasting so much time on Molan's mother because he found out a little too late about her backstabbing schemes. At the same time, he is conflicted because of the experience of being betrayed and being adored by the same woman. He invested so much into her only to be "face-slapped" by her lies. I also believe that he really found a soul-mate with Molan's mom because he was a concubines son and she was also a concubine. Sheng must've thought that maybe with time everything will eventually smooth over and all would be forgiven. His reaction towards Minglan showed how he is still in his own little world of DENIAL.

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11 hours ago, dito said:

 

LMAO....ROTFL:joy:

Oh my....but I low key agree....lets start the fight already....so ML tells him get off her back....the person she loves the most is herself. 

Just to let you know the fight/heart to heart continued over a period of time .....and is divided into 3 parts....the last part happens after granny's poisoning. Only the first part is the fight....

 

Whatever it takes to stop gty from getting in his feeling is always welcome for me!

 

Can anyone tell me, on the episode where gty asking ml to call him darling 2, what was the term she use? Was it husband? 

 

First I was “aww.. gty wants to be lovey dovey with ml” and then I remember that was the term mn use for him. Now I’m all, dont do it ml!!!! Call him 2nd uncle again!!! How dare he!! :triumph:

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38 minutes ago, nichiwoohee said:

 

Whatever it takes to stop gty from getting in his feeling is always welcome for me!

 

Can anyone tell me, on the episode where gty asking ml to call him darling 2, what was the term she use? Was it husband? 

 

First I was “aww.. gty wants to be lovey dovey with ml” and then I remember that was the term mn use for him. Now I’m all, dont do it ml!!!! Call him 2nd uncle again!!! How dare he!! :triumph:

 

She normally calls him "guan ren" (she has now moves on to calling him "hou ye"), which is a common term women in this drama call their husband, but I think only main wife can use this term, because I can't recall if any concubine uses that term, CL and CW both use "zhu jun" (master) to address SH. Big Madam calls SH "guan ren", for example. My takes is that this term is more of a standard and polite way of addressing husbands, and GTY wants ML to call him "Er Lang", more like an endearment term, more intimate. It's similar to how Concubine Lin calls SH "Hong Lang" when they're private.

 

"Lang", from what I've seen in several dramas, is often used in 2 cases: (1) when following a guy's name (SH's name) is usually how a woman intimately addressing her lover and (2) is used to call a child in a family with many brothers, for instance, everyone calls GTY as "Gu Er Lang", cause he's the second son of Gu family (Er = second). Normally, people would use "Gu Er Lang" when they're talking about him, but  as of this drama, it seems like only family members who are above him and close friends who are equal to him can directly calls him "Er Lang". It depends on who is using the term, his family calls him "Er Lang" cause they're family, Chang Bai calls him "Er Lang" cause they're best friend, but if a woman who isn't in his family calls him "Er Lang", then it's most likely that they're lover. I don't think it's bad for ML to call him the same term, cause technically, MN is not the only one who uses it.

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5 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

 

She normally calls him "guan ren" (she has now moves on to calling him "hou ye"), which is a common term women in this drama call their husband, but I think only main wife can use this term, because I can't recall if any concubine uses that term, CL and CW both use "zhu jun" (master) to address SH. Big Madam calls SH "guan ren", for example. My takes is that this term is more of a standard and polite way of addressing husbands, and GTY wants ML to call him "Er Lang", more like an endearment term, more intimate. It's similar to how Concubine Lin calls SH "Hong Lang" when they're private.

 

"Lang", from what I've seen in several dramas, is often used in 2 cases: (1) when following a guy's name (SH's name) is usually how a woman intimately addressing her lover and (2) is used to call a child in a family with many brothers, for instance, everyone calls GTY as "Gu Er Lang", cause he's the second son of Gu family (Er = second). Normally, people would use "Gu Er Lang" when they're talking about him, but  as of this drama, it seems like only family members who are above him and close friends who are equal to him can directly calls him "Er Lang". It depends on who is using the term, his family calls him "Er Lang" cause they're family, Chang Bai calls him "Er Lang" cause they're best friend, but if a woman who isn't in his family calls him "Er Lang", then it's most likely that they're lover. I don't think it's bad for ML to call him the same term, cause technically, MN is not the only one who uses it.

 

Thank you for the info bits! Mandarin is so complicated :joy: I was just messing around, I wouldnt want to call my husband the same term with what his old lover used to call him. If I was in ML position, I’d call him 2nd uncle again just to be petty, see how he likes that!! 

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7 hours ago, nichiwoohee said:

 

Thank you for the info bits! Mandarin is so complicated :joy: I was just messing around, I wouldnt want to call my husband the same term with what his old lover used to call him. If I was in ML position, I’d call him 2nd uncle again just to be petty, see how he likes that!! 

 

Wasn't Manniang calling him Gu Lang....I don't think shes ever called him Er lang...not sure though.

But GTY is very insistent on this.Even when they were discussing how to get the truth out of MN and ML called him Guiren....GTY gave her a stern look and said Er lang...indicating thats what he wants to hear.:joy:

 

Mostly people are addressed with their titles...like Guiren is official..someone in the official position...Thats what SH is called by his wife.

Houye is Marquis, the title that GTY inherited after his brother died....thats what most people call him now.

QH was/is called Xiao Gongye which means little Duke...coz his dad is the Duke.

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28 minutes ago, dito said:

 

Wasn't Manniang calling him Gu Lang....I don't think shes ever called him Er lang...not sure though.

But GTY is very insistent on this.Even when they were discussing how to get the truth out of MN and ML called him Guiren....GTY gave her a stern look and said Er lang...indicating thats what he wants to hear.:joy:

 

I think she did call him er lang, but back then I thought she mean 2nd brother, but then gty ask ml so insistently, which doesnt make sense for him to want ml call him 2nd brother too :sweatingbullets:

thankfully @gleek49 explained it clearly

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