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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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41 minutes ago, nichiwoohee said:

 

Yeah that’s because we all saw gty’s efforts for ml, and want to scream at her to open up her heart already LOL

it’s one of the most satifying reel to real couple, precisely because they are confirmed right before the drama airs, and fsf’s gty eyes basically drip honey everytime looking at minglan. Makes me go is it fsf? Or is it gty? :rolleyes:

 

That’s the thing, ML act like a virtous wife so blatantly in front of gty, she doesnt bother to pretend that she has feeling for her husband at all, maybe because she assumes gty also acting that way to her. Hence gty always ask why wont she believes him (that his feeling is real). From seeing how CL acted in front of SH, she knows what act to infatuate one’s husband. But she doesnt even bother to. Another thing is this is gty, qh would probably be touched by ml’s virtous act, but gty wants her sincerity, he doesnt care about virtuosity, he has say that repeatedly, he doesnt care what other people think or say, as long as you are happy, it’s fine.

But ML cant see that yet, she’s still bounded by her past familial relationship and grandma’s teaching on how to treat one’s husband 

 

This just made me remember something from the book. After the fight GTY starts sleeping in the study....the cold war starts. ML doesn't know how to resolve this. One of the things she thinks of trying is going to the study and acting like Lin niang... all loving and clingy and telling him.. of course she loves him ....to calm him down. But then she realized GTY already knows everything about her so he's not going to believe the act and will probably throw her out of the study.

Then she berates herself for getting too comfortable and careless. She should have cared more for his feelings instead of guarding hers.

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15 minutes ago, dito said:

 

Thats why I said she's playing the role of a perfect wife.... doing everything that a main wife is supposed to do. For in those days, a husband will always take in a concubine..sooner or later. And a main wife has to accept it or make life hell for everyone. If ML has to accept her husband sleeping with other women why not give her acceptance early on. 

With people throwing concubines at him from left and right....how can ML be sure he won't cave in and accept a few. So instead of getting mad and jealous she herself gives him her approval. You see it all comes back to her not trusting his words and promises. 

GTY may hide stuff from her for his own reasons.....because its dangerous or political ....but to ML it still seems he doesn't trust her.

 

Gty say many times that he wont take concubines in. Its not like gty will sleep with other girls anyways since his feelings to ml are true but ml is already fine with it. Gty done and show how much he cared for ml, ml seems quite clueless on that

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What i don't understand is mn's motives in giving the condition that gty to spend one night with her. Did she really thinked that her prowess was so great that gty will be hooked and crazy in lust with her and installed as a concubine, later?.. Or she just wanted to kill gty (she brought a knife with her). If so, the stepmom and the bai family were really desperate (they were in cohort with mn). 

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1 hour ago, bulubulu said:

Gty say many times that he wont take concubines in. Its not like gty will sleep with other girls anyways since his feelings to ml are true but ml is already fine with it. Gty done and show how much he cared for ml, ml seems quite clueless on that

 

Dr. He said the same thing but caved to maternal pressure in only a few days. This is an era where you could not always say no to gifts like servants and concubines depending on the giver and circumstances. ML's own mother was a gifted concubine from the Wang family. 

 

ML knows that he might have to take concubines into the household in the future simply because they can't escape it and his heart might be moved by another woman in the future.

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, mooose said:

 

Dr. He said the same thing but caved to maternal pressure in only a few days. This is an era where you could not always say no to gifts like servants and concubines depending on the giver and circumstances. ML's own mother was a gifted concubine from the Wang family. 

 

ML knows that he might have to take concubines into the household in the future simply because they can't escape it and his heart might be moved by another woman in the future.

 

 

 

I agree; she just accept that without asking her heart. she don't want to li_e to her self; she is a women in this area who shoulld accept the rules.

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1 hour ago, mooose said:

 

Dr. He said the same thing but caved to maternal pressure in only a few days. This is an era where you could not always say no to gifts like servants and concubines depending on the giver and circumstances. ML's own mother was a gifted concubine from the Wang family. 

 

ML knows that he might have to take concubines into the household in the future simply because they can't escape it and his heart might be moved by another woman in the future.

 

 

 

 

Exactly. If the giver is a person important enough..like a relative or an elder...Empress dowager or the emperor gives GTY some as a bestowal...GTY will have to accept.

Kang aunt used devious means to get concubines in GTY's house. If I remember correctly she offered them to Stepmom....who accepted them on GTY's behalf. If GTY or ML refuse them...there will be more nasty rumors spreading around about ML and her bad attitude with her inlaws.  

Easiest way to handle these concubines is to accept them and then dispose of them by gifting them to others or getting them married off. But they can only do that based on the circumstances of the concubine and the person who gifted them. Then there are those who are sent specifically to make trouble for the main wife....like Hongxiao and another one coming soon...as we see in one of the previews, a woman (I presume a gifted concubine) trying to kill herself in front of ML...

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3 hours ago, dito said:

In the book, when they first came to Gu manor after marriage....and in the family gathering ML was not sure whether to sit or stand like the other wives....GTY gave a little cough and silently indicated the chair next to him for her to sit. After that she always sat next to him in family gatherings.

I miss little gestures like this from the novel which were not adapted to the drama. One other funny scene I wanted to see was GTY messing up the names of ML's maids. DanJu, Xiaotao, Bisi....Xiaotao became tao zi....Bisi became Lixi.....Danju became Jiu xi or something. All the maids were making fun of GTY and couldn't help laughing.

 

In episode 48, ML curtseyed when Big Brother entered the room, then she hesitated over whether to sit or stand by her husband's side like other wives did. GTY indicated with a look that she should sit.

 

Haha, ML's maids names are related to fruits, with a tad elegant feel. GTY simplifies them by using names in their litereary sense. So Xiaotao becomes Peach, Danju Orange, etc. That's a funny detail to show GTY's no nonsense style and also his lacking in literature (novel GTY is not as literate as drama version). 

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2 hours ago, leeza77 said:

What i don't understand is mn's motives in giving the condition that gty to spend one night with her. Did she really thinked that her prowess was so great that gty will be hooked and crazy in lust with her and installed as a concubine, later?.. Or she just wanted to kill gty (she brought a knife with her). If so, the stepmom and the bai family were really desperate (they were in cohort with mn). 

Woman like MN @leeza77 think highly of themselves. Sometimes they do succeed in fooling the same man twice but it all depends on the man to choose to give them that chance. 

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EPISODE 46: 

QH wife is indeed a petty, self righteous, stuck up person. It’s clear to me when she brought up ML past relations with Dr He she had ill intent. Basically saying that ML is a gold digger able to seduce man well (crouching tiger, hidden dragon). She’s using all these reasonings to why she can’t put in a good word for the Gu sons to her husband when it’s really that she doesn’t want QH to have any relation to GU household whatsoever because of ML. She claims how fearful/destructive gossiping is yet she is doing the same. Now the aunt will use that information she gotten to spite GTY for not helping them. Not only aunt but QH wife is pleased to give away a “weakness” about ML past. QH wife clearly knows what she is doing...

She tells her maid to shut up and not mention ML again because it will tarnish their reputation? Because she can’t take that her husband was involved with a lowly concubine daughter? Or that she doesn’t want rumors to spread that QH wife is jealous of his past or the rumors instigated by her? Though she asked for these informations, but she just getting angrier by the minute upon hearing how deep QH love is for ML. 

 

Sure, she has the right to feel jealousy at some point but she is jealous of a past. Sure, QH May still have ML in his heart and she feels it is the reason QH is treating her like a stranger. But, if she didn’t dig up his past in the first place she would’ve spared herself from more pain. Perhaps she could’ve thought of ways to slowly gain his trust (which she doesn’t even have for him) and affections. Or perhaps if she had a different attitude and opened up to QH about ML and maybe tell him that she understands and she’ll patiently wait for him, perhaps QH might open up and see her in a different light. He might even feel guilty and try harder for her.

Instead she is slowly harboring a growing hatred towards another man’s wife.

Some of the things that takes time are earning someone’s trust, forgetting a painful past, healing a broken heart, and giving your heart away. She wants all of these from QH right away without any consideration towards him. 

ML is in a similar situation, GTY also has his past love though he does not love MN anymore he still had two kids with her. IMO that’s even worst situation than QH wife. Now she will have to deal with crazy MN as well. 

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4 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

Cute cp

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:lol:

I think ML needs to hurry match making those gifted maids of ED so that she can match make Shitou x Xiaotao.

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Loved it when Gu Ting Ye plainly told Qi Heng that the lovely Miss Sheng is married to him now and when she dies she will be buried in the Gu family tombs.

 

He once again reminded Qi Heng no one wait forever. People just moved on.

 

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5 hours ago, dito said:

 

It does seem like GTY downfall is actually planned as we've been guessing. From this its clear GTY made himself the pawn and deliberately brought ED's attention towards himself. ED gets busy in bringing him down thinking emperor will be weakened. In GTY's absence she starts the revolt. While the prince and the emperor put their plan to bring down ED in motion....GTY rides in with his troops gloriously to defeat the ED and her allies.

 

 

In the book, when they first came to Gu manor after marriage....and in the family gathering ML was not sure whether to sit or stand like the other wives....GTY gave a little cough and silently indicated the chair next to him for her to sit. After that she always sat next to him in family gatherings.

I miss little gestures like this from the novel which were not adapted to the drama. One other funny scene I wanted to see was GTY messing up the names of ML's maids. DanJu, Xiaotao, Bisi....Xiaotao became tao zi....Bisi became Lixi.....Danju became Jiu xi or something. All the maids were making fun of GTY and couldn't help laughing.

 

About QH, ...wasn't it him who started talking about political matters to his wife first? not sure??

I also felt  he only told his wife that cause she was talking crap about ML.

Those cues do sound like they would have been cute in the drama. Also the maids names being butchered is funny.

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9 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

She clearly care's for him and worry's about him and still would go all out to save him so i think she is actually in love but not showing or knowing what exactly is going on with her. We saw that when he had blood on him and i bet she was sad inside about the MN situation.

Well said chingu @ForgottenSoulx... I believe she is in love with GTY. She is showing all the signs but Guess!!  what she hasn’t realized it yet. Ming Lan has major major major trust issues. I think even if she knows she is I love with him, her fear of telling him will be like giving away her weaknesses. Like some you said she is afraid, her moms last request when she died is always on her mind and her grandmother’s teaching is very much a part of her. I think Ming Lan’s Real problem is that people change and trusting someone ‘s word at face value is a big risk. In order for her to take that big step , GTY needs to show his own weakness to her. Some of you will say he has shown his weakness but I don’t think he has truly shown his weakness that meaningful to Ming Lan. 

We should all remember he has never told her he Loves her but he has shown her how much he loves but for Ming Lan seeing is believing. Meaning he needs to risk something that is valuable to him for her to take that leap. 

 

Does this make sense???? 

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8 hours ago, dito said:

ML persuading GTY to spend the night with the witch was only for his son, as ML knows he's been looking desperately for his son all these years. So her first thought was for GTY and his son. ...(guessing here...haven't watched the epi yet.)

@dito...... Well said chingu , in fact after watching thes episode. Ming Lan didn’t like sending her husband to that WITCH. When they weee talking she paused way to much. She tried to change his mind but then she decided to go with it because GTY is looking for his son. That this may be the only way for him to get his son. 

That is how I interpreted that scene in episode 49.

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