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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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15 hours ago, leeza77 said:

 

Who did ML slash at the end?

14 hours ago, dito said:

 

Seems after seeing ML and QH together GTY gets drunk and looses it. He kept asking ML why won't she take him seriously??

And then as if all the other people causing trouble for ML and GTY were not enough... now kang auntie joins the circus. Gifting concubines has suddenly become the trend. Somebody please gift some to QH, so his wife keeps her nose out of other peoples business.

 

Why cant ML just straight out refuse Kang Auntie..

 

14 hours ago, fra8 said:

I completely agree that it seems weird. I don't get what he is trying to do since it seems he is working for his downfall.

But then I doubt his downfall is voluntary. He asked ML for an  amiable separation and I doubt he would do it if it weren't serious.

And I am sure ML has to save him. It was foreshadowed by the paint of the Empress (not sure about the title) saving her man and ML needs her shining moment, needs to show her capabilities, her interlligence.

This would also help GTY see she fights for him and loves him and it would make her more secure. It'd balance more their relationship. It'd show she meant it when she said she would repay it with her life.

At this point she risked everything for her mother, she will do it for her granny...I guess she will do it for him.

 

What if GTY was being spied on in jail so he asked ML for separation for it to be move believable? 

 

10 hours ago, leeza77 said:

 

That slap felt good its about time sometime slaps that girl.

 

10 hours ago, linhlinh111 said:

This is just a personal opinion but I think viewers have really low tolerance of scheming against the main couple. I am not that invested in the main couple so I watch the drama with pretty neutral eyes and I find lots of things that people are deeming "evil" rather okay. For example Sheng Hong. Except for the poison case, everything he does is within the acceptable zone, even in the issue with ML's mother. He didn't mean nor directly caused her death and he had no responsibilities to seek justice for her. After all she's merely a lowly concubines he didn't favor much.

 

GTY' older brother is totally fine with me. After all, GTY's mother was married off into the family in a shady situation where she might indirectly have caused his mother's death (also from stepmom's influence). He grew up sick all his life and he knew the title would go to GTY after he died, GTY was perfectly healthy and had a bright future. In that kind of context it's natural that he hated GTY. What he did to GTY was not excessive at all.

 

Stepmom, if she could have stopped at pampering GTY so he grew up to be arrogant and manipulating his father into disliking him, then it's actually acceptable. GTY was standing between her son and the noble title, what, do you expect she can really be nice to him? She just started to go overboard since the father's death.

 

I also find QH and his wife's action totally okay. Everybody is allowed to be selfish to a point. QH's wife has no reasons to be nice to ML. No matter if she actually meant ill will against ML when she talked to 5th aunt about Dr.He, she spoke the truth. She didn't make anything up, ML really was in a kinda relationship with Dr.He when she suddenly got married to GTY. The thing is, if something happened, you can't forbid people talking about it. But her action was not very smart, that's all. Nothing to gain from it.

 

QH is the same. He is now a Yu Shi, so he is kinda working for the disciplinary department, and GTY is the man with the worst reputation in town. He hates GTY now (why not? He's not saint) and he doesn't need to frame GTY or sth, he can do his job fair and square and still get back at GTY a little bit, so it's a great deal for him. Again, why not? If GTY is squeaky clean then QH will have nothing against him. As long as QH does things within his duty and not trying to frame GTY nor break any rules, I say go for it.

 

I know everybody wants our couple to have a smooth easy life, but that's not how it is. Everything they did in the past will leave consequences in the future. Manniang is GTY's past, he got over it but the effect still lasts. He has changed doesn't mean he could get out clean. Any weakness will be used against him, everybody lives for their own benefit and if he let a weakness exposed then others will use it. They are being targeted by everyone but actually in the lives of people with status, everybody is being targeted by everyone, we just don't see it. 

 

Now where do i start with this post without being rude.. was just shaking my head reading this in disbelief but let me try.

 

Its not that were super invested in the main couple its just that we understand their actions and thought process alot more because they are the lead couple of this drama so we see more of them and understand them clearer. I also heavily disagree that you see this drama with neutral eyes based on what you said below.  Stuff that is actually evil or wrong you are trying to explain away .

 

You say SH apart from the Poison case everything he does is acceptable?

 

Lets start with ML's mother's death sure he never directly caused her death but he certainly never investigated or tried to find out the truth because that would ruin the sheng's honour and his honour. Saying he had no responsibilities to seek justice for her like what?

 

He then treats his concubine better then his main wife which basically shames the main wife and makes her lose authority of the household. Following this he totally favours and treats the children differently in regards to punishments and reward's case being when ML had her face slashed Molan was barely punished. He also had idea's to give away ML multiple times to solve family issues even though ML has repeatedly saved Sheng's family honour. First being when she was young during the marriage of her sister , second when she saved SH from the actions of her brother in the palace by SH remembering what ML once said. Then there is also the upcoming grandma getting poisoned where i guess he wanted to keep this Hush and not punish people involved to protect his honour.

 

I just GUESS this is all just acceptable and fine.

 

What you said about GTY's older brother i agree with but he was manipulated to believe what he did and continuously worked and harmed his brother so hes not a neutral party. I pity his character but i hate his action's and still think hes a bad character most likely not evil just misinformed/biased against his brother.

 

Stepmom is just truly evil and this should not even be a debate she pretended to be a loving step mother towards GTY all while harming his repudiation, saying he raped girls and always messed around in brothel's. This in return made the dad and father basically hate each other. You said she started to go overboard since the father died? No she has been evil since the start with her false personality and making GTY into a villain she also stopped GTY from meeting his father before death. None of this is acceptable at all and she is truly evil. 

 

QH's wife is not evil she is just a bit naive to think she would be QH's first and one true love and they would live in peace and harmony . What does she think will happen if she goes against ML which she has.. she did not need to tell 5th aunt about the dolls but she did to cause issues , she also ran into ML on purpose in trailer to cause some issues. 

 

I also agree somewhat in regards to QH if he was just doing his job there would be no issues but its painfully obvious for everyone to see hes emotional and clearly going against GTY but i just dont get what he think's doing this will do . He wants ML to be happy but doing this against GTY will harm ML. He is indirectly a pawn for ED against GTY and sure we dont know everything but hes really not that stupid to not know that hes clearly going against GTY and hes fine with that.

 

Also no-one want's our couple to have a smooth easy life because that would be boring and drama over.

 

Im terrible and writing and have terrible grammar but tried to get my point's across. 

 

9 hours ago, gleek49 said:

So QH has every rights to be angry at GTY, he's only doing his job, but his wife being petty must mean that she's malicious and evil? :D

 

They are both petty but his wife is just naive as well thinking the marriage would be perfect. 

 

9 hours ago, gleek49 said:

 

Well, everyone is entitled to have different opinions. I just find the double standard amusing ^_^

Plus I'm not saying QH's wife is a saint, I just think calling her "evil" is a bit much.

 

Rather then evil shes malicious and out to cause trouble and Naive.

 

6 hours ago, Lunkera said:

@UnniSarah  Sorry, i can't

 

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I try to avoid dramas with tragic ending. I'm too sensitive for that kind of stuff even though i'm a guy :D 

 

 

6 hours ago, UnniSarah said:

That is okay @Lunkera...... I totally agree with you. I try to avoid some drama that end tragic too. It can be so heartbreaking. :tears::tears:

 

Which drama re you on about??

 

4 hours ago, linhlinh111 said:

Actually people are blaming QH but there's no proof that he's trying to get back at GTY. He suggested the emperor to investigate the rebellion, which was the right thing to do (whether or not QH has taken a side is questionable, maybe it's just his integrity, and it accidentally benefits the ED). He might have not known Gu family was a part of it. Even if he had known, was he supposed to drop the case to show that he is not holding a grudge? QH criticized GTY in court bc GTY was making an unreasonable request about his cousins on the case that QH was in charge of. After everything that happened, QH and GTY are not friends anymore and QH doesn't have to show a friendly face in front of GTY. QH is trying to climb the ladder and unlike generals who got their titles from the battlefields, officials tend to ascend very slowly unless they won a big case. The rebellion case is a chance for QH to step up his game. Loving ML or not, he doesn't have to back down just bc GTY suddenly decides to protect his relatives (which everybody knows he hates). GTY was arrogant to ask the emperor to let his cousins go and QH was right to criticize him. GTY was reckless, arrogant, disrespect the law and now people blame QH for holding a grudge? It's like, he's the lead so whatever he does, people should stay out of his way or they'll become detestable characters. (I'm not discussing what happens in the preview until it's official)

 

P/S: Having parties is not a crime so even if arrested, CF would still be okay. Gu family however was involved.

 

We have plenty of proof by now when he met with GTY and got emotional , when he met ML and tried to touch her.. QH is stupid but hes really not that stupid he clearly knows hes being used to go against GTY.

 

If he was simply investigating and doing his job would so many people have issues with him currently. QH criticised GTY in court but im pretty sure someone was about to bring up his marriage with the princess and GTY stopped that.. You see the difference ?  

 

QH is emotional and clearly still has feeling's for ML if people really think he holds no grudge against GTY and is simply doing his job then i really dont know what to say, he most likely think's ML was stolen from him. 

 

QH said he wanted ML to be happy and have a good husband/life yet he is openly going against GTY which causes harm to ML.. makes sense. 

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I am just watching the prison scene in ep. 48 and I have to say the 4th house's son really took after his mother. :P

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1 hour ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

QH is emotional and clearly still has feeling's for ML if people really think he holds no grudge against GTY and is simply doing his job then i really dont know what to say, he most likely think's ML was stolen from him. 

Very well explained.. He is emotionally unstable and stupid but he knows the truth and refuses to accept it.. He just wants to do everything to prove he is better than GTY even if it's going against his own beliefs.. 

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2 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

Very well explained.. He is emotionally unstable and stupid but he knows the truth and refuses to accept it.. He just wants to do everything to prove he is better than GTY even if it's going against his own beliefs.. 

 

You can edit your post and delete everything i said otherwise a bit to much of my trash writing taking up alot of space. Its correct though QH is clearly unstable and emotional and most likely think's ML was stolen from him.

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I am watching episode 49 & QH told his wife that the emperor is mad just at GTY when she talked about GTY & his wife. Is that his final goal? Getting GTY out of the way & then what does he expect to happen? ML to come back to him? He is married for heavens sake & so is she! In that trailer that was posted he was shouting that he is full of regret & then he grabbed ML by the arms. He hasn’t grown up at all! I don’t expect him not to be full of regret but you don’t go & say that to a married woman, grab her arms & deliberately try to get her husband in trouble!

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45 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

@ForgottenSoulx We were talking about Legend of Fu Yao

I loved Fuyao's ending though.. She was able to outlive the guy that was supposed to come out.. And then they were overlooking the cities.. Simple but somehow an open ending with lots of unexplained things.. Hmm so I do love the ending.. Emotional, sad, and fulfilling 

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5 hours ago, anzomi said:

 

Why would ML want to talk to QH alone? If she has no motive I doubt she would talk to him at all with his personality.

I can only think about 2 options here, wants to talk about his wife(I doubt it) or maybe she is trying to help GTY clarifying the rumors about MN.

With the other trailer with him asking her why don't you take me seriously maybe he told her he will take care of everything and she went behind his back to help him or something similar.

Pure speculation xD

I wouldn’t translate what GTY said being drunk in the trailer after he seen ML talking with QH as “why don’t you take me seriously” since there are more words before he said that sentence.

I would translate what he said as, “I just want you to pity/like/ love me. Why don’t you understand me. Why don’t you understand me”...then he said “I marry you...”, interrupted by Shitou. 

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20 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

I loved Fuyao's ending though.. She was able to outlive the guy that was supposed to come out.. And then they were overlooking the cities.. Simple but somehow an open ending with lots of unexplained things.. Hmm so I do love the ending.. Emotional, sad, and fulfilling 

 

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Yeah Fu Yao had a good ending. 

 

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14 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

I wouldn’t translate what GTY said being drunk in the trailer after he seen ML talking with QH as “why don’t you take me seriously” since there are more words before he said that sentence.

I would translate what he said as, “I just want you to pity/like/ love me. Why don’t you understand me. Why don’t you understand me”...then he said “I marry you...”, interrupted by Shitou. 

 

I'm not sure if they meant for this to be a serious moment but I couldn't help laughing. I can't take him seriously when he does this sort of thing and even ML looked like she was half laughing. :P

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29 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

I wouldn’t translate what GTY said being drunk in the trailer after he seen ML talking with QH as “why don’t you take me seriously” since there are more words before he said that sentence.

I would translate what he said as, “I just want you to pity/like/ love me. Why don’t you understand me. Why don’t you understand me”...then he said “I marry you...”, interrupted by Shitou. 

Oh, thanks for the clarification, I don't speak Chinese so I only take it from someone in the thread.

 

Still, I hope it's about their relationship and not about a third person, so things can move faster :lol:

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2 hours ago, darkphoenix123 said:

I am watching episode 49 & QH told his wife that the emperor is mad just at GTY when she talked about GTY & his wife. Is that his final goal? Getting GTY out of the way & then what does he expect to happen? ML to come back to him? He is married for heavens sake & so is she! In that trailer that was posted he was shouting that he is full of regret & then he grabbed ML by the arms. He hasn’t grown up at all! I don’t expect him not to be full of regret but you don’t go & say that to a married woman, grab her arms & deliberately try to get her husband in trouble!

I guess he is trying to take a leaf out of GTY's book of scheming.He wants GTY to loose everything including ML.

He might be still thinking ML was forced to marry GTY because there was no way out for her family.He hope's to set her free from this predicament.He might not have thought beyond this.

Hopefully ML will be able to drill some sense into QH.She no longer has to act the demure damsel thanks to GTY's encouragement of showing her true self.

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3 hours ago, zenya22 said:

But does eldest bro know that he was lied to and the truth told that his mother was not killed by GTY's mom? This what I am getting at and I did say that he knows all the atrocities done by stepmom and her ambition to have her son be the heir but does the older brother know the truth about the lie told to him, that made him resentful to his young bro GTY? that GTY's mom killed his mom does he know the truth, that is a lie? GTY also wanted that truth be known so there will be no lies between them. That was what GTY begged his father kneeling and asking for his father to tell the truth about his mother. So, was the truth told to both brothers? 

@zenya22  From my understanding he dis figure it out.. He knew it was Evil step mom doing.. I'm suprised that he has been faking his sickness all this time to only find out he's really sick and dying.. I think he came clean because he ay have realized that step mom not only poisioned his mind but his body to.. So to get baxk at the lady that caused so much harn to he ad second brother is to give second brother not only whats rightfully his but that if which the witch kept having ill intent for whats not theres or her son in the first place..

 

I couldn't believe my ears when first brotrher said that 115 thousand dollars is to be returned to GTY from his mothers dowry..:o The fourth Uncle said don't misunderstand we was just trying to help you manage your money.. (Unbelieveable) GTY didn't misunderstand he understood all to well there was a suprising look not only on his face but ML to.. ML had the look like these crooks.. They come and try to run my life as well as my husbands stilliving off his oms oney that they don't want to return and demanding that he save they wretched no good for nothing kids.. 

 

I say at this point GTY should split up the houses give them what they should have and let them fend for themselves that includes step mom.. She wants her son to inherit a title let him get out and make one for himself..    The main house fourth and fifth house has been living high off the hog far to long including they wives..Make them become self sufficient.. 

 

Step mom isn't going to stop not until they all are dead.. My guess is after ML child was born she knew inheriting the noble title for her son and his kids was out the question so yes I could see her and son trying to burn it all if she couldn't get it all.. I see why her son died it was her Karma for using others for her own personal gain.. 

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6 hours ago, bulubulu said:

Talking about MN. I saw some people saying that they thought they were done with her in that drama but now shes in this too. I just think its funny hahah. She's a great actress, hope in the future she'll play a innocent role so people will like her :)

That was probably me haha, I watched Legend of Dugu prior to this show. She was the most annoying richard simmons ever and it seems all the villain character she plays are detestable. LMAO I don’t hate her as an actress, in fact she does her part well. But I never really hate on an antagonist that much because I just go with the flow and find it interesting to see how they will get their downfall or the main will triumph from their schemes. But she was the last person to die in that show and peacefully at that. So I was triggered when I saw her playing as MN LMAO. 

In this show though I don’t mind to watch her character so no FFs but MN still annoyingly crazy. 

Good thing from this show is although there is a lot of villains at least we get a breather from each character and there is no one big bad guy from start to finish that you start to pull your hair out and scream kill them off already. :cry:

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1 minute ago, cherubstomato said:

That was probably me haha, I watched Legend of Dugu prior to this show. She was the most annoying richard simmons ever and it seems all the villain character she plays are detestable. LMAO I don’t hate her as an actress, in fact she does her part well. But I never really hate on an antagonist that much because I just go with the flow and find it interesting to see how they will get their downfall or the main will triumph from their schemes. But she was the last person to die in that show and peacefully at that. So I was triggered when I saw her playing as MN LMAO. 

In this show though I don’t mind to watch her character so no FFs but MN still annoyingly crazy. 

Good thing from this show is although there is a lot of villains at least we get a breather from each character and there is no one big bad guy from start to finish that you start to pull your hair out and scream kill them off already. :cry:

 

Haha, I had the same reaction when I saw MN on this show. I was like Oh No, not her again!  The actress is just sooo good at making the audience hate her! Hehe

 

Also agree with you that it's good she isn't a major character in Minglan cuz I got so sick and tired of her and her constant scheming in Legend of Dugu.  I had to fast forward all her scenes for half the drama.

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1 hour ago, Lunkera said:

It's episode 48(director's cut) that he and GTY talk before he dies. He says also to his wife and daughter on his deathbed to never trust big madam and the rest of the family. Only to trust GTY and Minglan and not get involved in conflict more or less.

@Lunkera  I liked when told her no matter under any circumstances not to get involved with Big Mdm and Lil Mdm and never ever adopt it was to only to control her.. Specially liked when he gave explanation to mom with the child there most parents on there dying bed reveal things that most try and hide.. Glad he had his daughter to listen if not later in life she and mom could be easly fooled just like him.. 

 

2 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

I also agree somewhat in regards to QH if he was just doing his job there would be no issues but its painfully obvious for everyone to see hes emotional and clearly going against GTY but i just dont get what he think's doing this will do . He wants ML to be happy but doing this against GTY will harm ML. He is indirectly a pawn for ED against QH and sure we dont know everything but hes really not that stupid to not know that hes clearly going against GTY and hes fine with that.

@ForgottenSoulx  Clearly QH thinks that GTY is the main reason that he and ML never got back together..  As of now he still hasn't even consider his own actions.. Even meeting her privately shows just what he thinks and nor care about what others will think towards her for them being seen privately.. Ok we get he could careless about wht his wife thinks when it comes to ML but geeze he should also think of her reputation which he never has..

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It took me 3 days to marathon MTL-ing the novel to see where to plot in the drama would fit in, but instead I got enlightened of how the changes in the drama actually makes the characters and plot more alive

 

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I can see now why GTY feels insecure with ML, she basically treats her marriage as a job. She only needs to be virtuous, do as what her husband wants, avoid conflict and live a peaceful life. No reason for personal feeling to interfere, as it will muddled her mind and disappoint her if someday she fell out of favor

 

I like that I still get the essence of the novel while being surprised by the drama. As much as I love TMOPB, no element of surprise, except the filler characters subplot. And I adore the drama and novel. But with ML, it wont work, because the drama relies heavily on dialogues and social conduct of that era

 

I think the 2nd rebellion will happen after GTY’s dismissal, as you can see maybe his punishment will be to serve in the army from the bottom again. 

 

Anticipating the drama daily is really bad for my health :sweatingbullets: I think I’m gonna wait for 3 subbed episodes at least, before watching them 

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@ForgottenSoulx I didn't try to analyze if they are good or not, cuz they are clearly not good people, so you can't use the morally correct standard to judge them. I'm trying to analyze if they are acceptable or not and I based it on whether they have broken the rules, breached the law or committed a crime in the context of that era, which they have not. For example if someone is in danger, a good person will save them, but if he doesn't, that's not considered a crime. That's why I said I watched with neutral eyes, while you think people have to do what's right, otherwise they are bad.

 

Take SH for instance. SH is not police, he is not the symbol of justice. He may have suspected that ML's mother was murdered but decided not to investigate. He wasn't morally correct, however he did not breach the law. In the drama, we have seen many maids ordered to be beaten to death but no one seek justice for them, bc they were just lowly women. To SH, Weiniang's status may be higher than a maid only a little bit. After all a concubine's life basically belong to the house head. From SH's POV, Weiniang was just not worth it. The drama make a fuss about her cuz she was ML's mother, if she was just some no-name concubine then this was no big deal at all. It is ML's duty to avenge her mother, not SH's. Daniang is still in charge of the house. He just gave Linniang more power than a concubine should have. He's the head of the household, he can promote anyone he favors. 

 

GTY's brother is the same. Is he a good guy? Absolutely not. And he has already known for a while that stepmom tricked him, he's still jealous of GTY. Did he attempt to commit a crime? Also no, all he has done is framing GTY of some misdemeanor not even worth prosecuted. So is the stepmom. The whole pampering so that he become arrogant thing is not wrong. She isn't his mother, she has no obligations to raise him well or worry about his reputation and future. It's his dad's job (this I blame his dad). In fact it's a social norm for a main wife to do that to her husband's other children in that era. So that action alone is within the acceptable zone. However her other evil deeds are not.

 

Oh yeah and QH absolutely hates GTY, and he doesn't need the rights to hate, it's his inner feeling and he can hate as much as he wants (I kinda like him that way, more humane, with hatred and jealousy) and he can despise, detest GTY as much as he wants. It's his personal problem. However, he does not try to get back at GTY, and does not intentionally use his job against GTY. So what if he still holds grudges and regrets? I have no problems with him being emotionally unstable. He's married, he respects his wife and he is not aiming to get her back.

 

People are good when they do what's right, but they are still acceptable if they only barely abide by the law.

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58 minutes ago, deslynn88 said:

 

I'm not sure if they meant for this to be a serious moment but I couldn't help laughing. I can't take him seriously when he does this sort of thing and even ML looked like she was half laughing. :P

I was kinda like that too but i just quietly smile because he looks and sounds cute doing that to ML but i also feel sad for him too. Mixture of aw thats cute and aw poor my gty. Ikr i noticed ML was half laughing too. They should show us bts of that scene.

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