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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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4 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:

Chingu ,  Go WATCH HER IN LEGEND OF FU YAO. 

As in.. Ahe was awesome as the pei yuan senior in Fuyao.. I hated that character and she did well portraying the character well

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Why would ML want to talk to QH alone? If she has no motive I doubt she would talk to him at all with his personality.

I can only think about 2 options here, wants to talk about his wife(I doubt it) or maybe she is trying to help GTY clarifying the rumors about MN.

With the other trailer with him asking her why don't you take me seriously maybe he told her he will take care of everything and she went behind his back to help him or something similar.

Pure speculation xD

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3 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

As in.. Ahe was awesome as the pei yuan senior in Fuyao.. I hated that character and she did well portraying the character well

Talking about MN. I saw some people saying that they thought they were done with her in that drama but now shes in this too. I just think its funny hahah. She's a great actress, hope in the future she'll play a innocent role so people will like her :)

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1 hour ago, fra8 said:

Yes, I agree so I wonder if they have a reconciliation before the birth of the child or if they are still at odds. I guess  one of they two times when he is spinning her is  when she gives him the news. So they seem happy.

 

 

My guess is they reconcile after she tells him she's pregnant. I also think there will be only one pregnancy shown in the drama. So GTY's downfall and rise all happen before his child is born. And granny getting poisoned will happen somewhere in between...while GTY is on his punishment.

 

1 hour ago, matrim said:
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The ML-QH scene will come soon. Just saw next week preview. Believie it or not, QH tried to hold ML. :joy:

 

 

:unamused:....smh smh....what on earth is this guy even thinking? 

I bet if GTY saw it...QH's wife must be around there somewhere too.

 

18 minutes ago, fra8 said:

I agree that he doesn't believe there is something between them. He respects too much ML to believe this.

However he might be worried she never forgot QH. QH was her first choice, he saw her in love with him. And he saw her still closed off with him.He could feel that what he did was not enough, that she still has regrets. Sometimes our fears and feelings are not rational.

 

GTY may think ML regrets marrying him and thats causing the insecurity. Not because of QH but because of his own problems that keep interrupting their wedded bliss. The life he wanted to give her and the life she got are very different. She has had no peace of mind since she married him. Add to that he's not sure about her feelings for him. So a number of things are feeding his insecurity...and QH is the least of it.

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4 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

@UnniSarah  Sorry, i can't

 

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I try to avoid dramas with tragic ending. I'm too sensitive for that kind of stuff even though i'm a guy :D 

 

That is okay @Lunkera...... I totally agree with you. I try to avoid some drama that end tragic too. It can be so heartbreaking. :tears::tears:

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23 minutes ago, anzomi said:

 

Why would ML want to talk to QH alone? If she has no motive I doubt she would talk to him at all with his personality.

I can only think about 2 options here, wants to talk about his wife(I doubt it) or maybe she is trying to help GTY clarifying the rumors about MN.

With the other trailer with him asking her why don't you take me seriously maybe he told her he will take care of everything and she went behind his back to help him or something similar.

Pure speculation xD

You sure make sense with these.. It might be the 2..going for GTY but eventually talked about his wife, while GTY has told her he will take care of it 

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This is a bit off topic but I just gotta say thank goodness for Daylight Entertainment (producers of this drama).  They've only been around for 5 or 6 years but they have totally stepped up the quality of C-dramas.  Pretty much every single one of their dramas is award winning/high production and they produce a wide variety of dramas.  List of their dramas include:

 

Nirvana in Fire - historical/revenge (won Best Drama of the Year)

Candle in the Tomb (The Mummy/Tomb Raider)

Ode to Joy 1 & 2  (kinda Sex and the City esq)

When a Snail falls in Love - crime/suspense

Battle of ChangSha - family drama/war/romance

Like a Flowing River (currently airing along with Minglan)

Love Me if You Dare - crime/suspense/romance

 

If you like Minglan, you might want to give their others a try. Battle of ChangSha is set during the Japanese invasion period in the 30's and 40's and definitely not my type of genre but the characters/acting/plot was so good that I was hooked from the first episode.

 

They've raised the bar and the change is noticeable in other C-dramas too.

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25 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:

QH is the same. He is now a Yu Shi, so he is kinda working for the disciplinary department, and GTY is the man with the worst reputation in town. He hates GTY now (why not? He's not saint) and he doesn't need to frame GTY or sth, he can do his job fair and square and still get back at GTY a little bit, so it's a great deal for him. Again, why not? If GTY is squeaky clean then QH will have nothing against him. As long as QH does things within his duty and not trying to frame GTY nor break any rules, I say go for it.

Even though QH is underhandedly trying to get back at GTY while doing his duties, I like the results it brought to the Gu family. Yuan Ruo wiped the Gu family name on the floorboards but unknowingly helped GTY get some payback on his deceitful family and unwittingly helped ML/GTY get closer. GTY confessed his forebodings and distrust of his family because of what they did and the lies they spat about his mother and ML who had the same experience about her mom could relate. That was a raw, honest and emotional confession and ML just had to hug GTY. More and more, she gets to know the man GTY is, intensely hurt, on the surface seemingly uncaring but on the inside is deeply sensitive, forthright and reliable. Slowly ML is getting to trust her feelings and instincts to freely love GTY. So, Yuan Ruo in this sense helped strengthen the ML/GTY relationship. 

 

On the other hand Yuan Ruo's duties might just lead him to the doorstep of the Sheng family. In th first episodes, Sheng Hong was detained at the palace by the late emperor because his 3rd son was partying with the noble sons who supported the wannabe heir Prince Yan and was mouthing off his support. Years later, Yuan Ruo became a minister and when he first reported at the Emperor's hall and was assigned the duty of investigating the supporters of the rebel Prince Yan, one of the ministers was about to say that Yuan Ruo almost married the daughter of the Shengs but was interrupted by the loud coughing of GTY. Which means that the ministers will expect him to also arrest the 3rd son of Sheng who is now the brother in law of the 6th son of Liang whose family is deemed to be one of the richest if not the richest of the families in the capital and depending on whom they are supporting, they might help or not help the 3rd son, or they might be standing on the side waiting to see who wins which means they will not support Sheng 3rd son. However, if Yuan Ruo does arrest Sheng 3rd son, ML is sure to help and so will GTY and if Yuan Ruo does not, he will be seen as wishy washy and laughed at in the capital. So either way, Yuan Ruo has set himself a (personally) difficult assignment especially that he still has feelings for ML and dislike for her husband GTY.

 

 

2 hours ago, UnniSarah said:

By the which episode showed a nanny telling GTY’s Eldest brother that it was his stepmom’s fault that his mom died?? I

I can't remember the episode but it was much earlier when they were both very young 

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2 hours ago, mooose said:

 Eldest brother already knows the truth that both he and GTY manipulated by Stepmom to be enemies, that she wanted the title for and that both their mothers were ill-treated by the Gu clan.

But does eldest bro know that he was lied to and the truth told that his mother was not killed by GTY's mom? This what I am getting at and I did say that he knows all the atrocities done by stepmom and her ambition to have her son be the heir but does the older brother know the truth about the lie told to him, that made him resentful to his young bro GTY? that GTY's mom killed his mom does he know the truth, that is a lie? GTY also wanted that truth be known so there will be no lies between them. That was what GTY begged his father kneeling and asking for his father to tell the truth about his mother. So, was the truth told to both brothers? 

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7 hours ago, Jackie1048 said:

I noticed that Maniang was shocked that the fiesty Miss she battled with before is now Gu Ting Ye's peincipal wife.

 

She almost accused Ming Lan that she must have schemed to have Gu Ting Ye for herself. Ming Lan just told her she married according to her family's wishes.

It must have hurt her to see ML as the legitimate wife and enjoying the riches she coveted all her life.

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9 hours ago, leeza77 said:

QH was never so emotional during his courtship with ML.What happened to proper ettiqute when greeting a married noble lady? QH has suddenly gone out of character.Is he lamenting loosing ML or is unable to accept that she chose someone over him and her married life has been not bad so far.

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2 hours ago, UnniSarah said:

 

By the which episode showed a nanny telling GTY’s Eldest brother that it was his stepmom’s fault that his mom died?? I assumed it was Little Mdm Qin who told him those lies. Smh smh smh I am really curious about that. 

It was in episode 8 when Momo tells GTY about his mom and we see the flashbacks.

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38 minutes ago, zenya22 said:

Even though QH is underhandedly trying to get back at GTY while doing his duties, I like the results it brought to the Gu family. Yuan Ruo wiped the Gu family name on the floorboards but unknowingly helped GTY get some payback on his deceitful family and unwittingly helped ML/GTY get closer. GTY confessed his forebodings and distrust of his family because of what they did and the lies they spat about his mother and ML who had the same experience about her mom could relate. That was a raw, honest and emotional confession and ML just had to hug GTY. More and more, she gets to know the man GTY is, intensely hurt, on the surface seemingly uncaring but on the inside is deeply sensitive, forthright and reliable. Slowly ML is getting to trust her feelings and instincts to freely love GTY. So, Yuan Ruo in this sense helped strengthen the ML/GTY relationship. 

 

On the other hand Yuan Ruo's duties might just lead him to the doorstep of the Sheng family. In th first episodes, Sheng Hong was detained at the palace by the late emperor because his 3rd son was partying with the noble sons who supported the wannabe heir Prince Yan and was mouthing off his support. Years later, Yuan Ruo became a minister and when he first reported at the Emperor's hall and was assigned the duty of investigating the supporters of the rebel Prince Yan, one of the ministers was about to say that Yuan Ruo almost married the daughter of the Shengs but was interrupted by the loud coughing of GTY. Which means that the ministers will expect him to also arrest the 3rd son of Sheng who is now the brother in law of the 6th son of Liang whose family is deemed to be one of the richest if not the richest of the families in the capital and depending on whom they are supporting, they might help or not help the 3rd son, or they might be standing on the side waiting to see who wins which means they will not support Sheng 3rd son. However, if Yuan Ruo does arrest Sheng 3rd son, ML is sure to help and so will GTY and if Yuan Ruo does not, he will be seen as wishy washy and laughed at in the capital. So either way, Yuan Ruo has set himself a (personally) difficult assignment especially that he still has feelings for ML and dislike for her husband GTY.

 

 

I can't remember the episode but it was much earlier when they were both very young 

Actually people are blaming QH but there's no proof that he's trying to get back at GTY. He suggested the emperor to investigate the rebellion, which was the right thing to do (whether or not QH has taken a side is questionable, maybe it's just his integrity, and it accidentally benefits the ED). He might have not known Gu family was a part of it. Even if he had known, was he supposed to drop the case to show that he is not holding a grudge? QH criticized GTY in court bc GTY was making an unreasonable request about his cousins on the case that QH was in charge of. After everything that happened, QH and GTY are not friends anymore and QH doesn't have to show a friendly face in front of GTY. QH is trying to climb the ladder and unlike generals who got their titles from the battlefields, officials tend to ascend very slowly unless they won a big case. The rebellion case is a chance for QH to step up his game. Loving ML or not, he doesn't have to back down just bc GTY suddenly decides to protect his relatives (which everybody knows he hates). GTY was arrogant to ask the emperor to let his cousins go and QH was right to criticize him. GTY was reckless, arrogant, disrespect the law and now people blame QH for holding a grudge? It's like, he's the lead so whatever he does, people should stay out of his way or they'll become detestable characters. (I'm not discussing what happens in the preview until it's official)

 

P/S: Having parties is not a crime so even if arrested, CF would still be okay. Gu family however was involved.

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5 minutes ago, selen4ever said:

It was in episode 8 when Momo tells GTY about his mom and we see the flashbacks.

In episode 8, we did not see the actual face of the person telling GTY’s brother about his mother’s death. @selen4ever... I will rewatch it to see if I see the face. Thank for the info

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5 hours ago, sava2sava said:

 

@GoldenFlower  It don't take a genius to figure her out..  She needs GTY dead so her son could inherit it all being that he was GTY rightful heir.. If she really wanted to claim her spot she should have tried to stay humble and stop ML from getting pregant.. But MN knows ML isn't no fool and if she brought the son back she will eventually have to go..

Even if the son is living, currently, he is illegitimate and he cannot inherit GTY's title or properties. His name hasn't been recorded in ancestor record. Plus, what I said was if she isn't lying about the son's death and she wants to be his concubine. MN knows that there is no way she could enter GTY's house without the son (unless GTY willingly take her as concubine for other reasons like for daughter). So, if the son's already dead, the only other reason for her to kill him is someone is giving her money (actually, stepmom in lieu of Bai uncles) (or) she went crazy, hates GTY to guts and went to revenge the son's death.

 

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Of course in today's episode, they are saying the son can become legitimate if GTY’s stepmom vouchs for him and annuls GTY's will (though they don't know the will is empty). They're saying Bai family will take GTY's inheritance from Bai's side, step-mom will take the title for third brother and MN will only get 1/10 (or 1/5) of properties. Even if that's true, MN is so stupid and short-sighted, to agree to them for only 1/5 of inheritance if the son is still alive. I guess she is thinking only for herself rather than for her son. She probably thinks that her son living as eldest shu son of extremely rich Hou Ye is not as good as herself getting 1/5 of inheritance. Of course, if the son is already dead then, she might not even get the money if there is someone's name on GTY's will. 

 

Stepmom's calculation vs ML's strategy...

 

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From preview, since GTY got into trouble in imperial court and got reprimanded by emperor due to MN's bad-mouthing, for this round, step-mom outdone ML. Of course, ML’s priority has been finding the son and she might not have thought MN will go around and ill-speak of GTY. However, ML strategy got repercussions this time though they were able to trace MN. The preview showing ML testing the soil of the son’s grave, is he dead or not? Is MN bad-mouthing instigated by the stepmom or is she doing it herself out of spike? The previews are very cunning... :P :D :D 

 

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39 minutes ago, linhlinh111 said:

Actually people are blaming QH but there's no proof that he's trying to get back at GTY. He suggested the emperor to investigate the rebellion, which was the right thing to do (whether or not QH has taken a side is questionable, maybe it's just his integrity, and it accidentally benefits the ED). He might have not known Gu family was a part of it. Even if he had known, was he supposed to drop the case to show that he is not holding a grudge? QH criticized GTY in court bc GTY was making an unreasonable request about his cousins on the case that QH was in charge of. After everything that happened, QH and GTY are not friends anymore and QH doesn't have to show a friendly face in front of GTY. QH is trying to climb the ladder and unlike generals who got their titles from the battlefields, officials tend to ascend very slowly unless they won a big case. The rebellion case is a chance for QH to step up his game. Loving ML or not, he doesn't have to back down just bc GTY suddenly decides to protect his relatives (which everybody knows he hates). GTY was arrogant to ask the emperor to let his cousins go and QH was right to criticize him. GTY was reckless, arrogant, disrespect the law and now people blame QH for holding a grudge? It's like, he's the lead so whatever he does, people should stay out of his way or they'll become detestable characters. (I'm not discussing what happens in the preview until it's official)

 

I don't know all about what you state others are saying, I am commenting on someone's comment and what I think may happen and I have not seen the episode you are talking about. I think people are entitled to their own feelings as they see them and includes you and me. As for me, I can't comment on your comments because I have not seen the episode you are talking about but I respect your feelings about the characters. Hey, QH is not indebted to protect GTY, as he is obliged to his duties as the official conducting the investigation as GTY has no obligation and does not owe QH anything. Both characters are doing what they think they have to do whether to family or country. Whether viewers see them as right or wrong, I concur depends on their view. I may agree or not agree with everyone's views and that is what the forum is for. I agree to disagree that people's favorable view of the character of GTY is because he is the lead. It is not personal. BTW, I don't think of GTY as the lead, rather I see the families as leads as in the first episodes, the focus was on the Sheng family and the lead their for me is grandma and ML and I thought the drama should have been titled the story of the Sheng family but now we move to the GU family and I concur in this family, that even though ML and GTY are leads, the goings on in the family are vexing and hilarious at the same time but scenes of the older brother and GTY are more emotionally laden and scene stealers. So depends on one's views. I find it funny this lead and not lead discussion.

 

PS: really? how involved  were the GU brothers? it was a political party where the supporters were endorsing the rebel Yan, so why then did the late emperor detain Sheng Hong who could have been killed if he did not remember the answer ML gave the scholar in the classroom? This does not have anything to do with lead or being lead does it?

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40 minutes ago, linhlinh111 said:

Actually people are blaming QH but there's no proof that he's trying to get back at GTY. He suggested the emperor to investigate the rebellion, which was the right thing to do (whether or not QH has taken a side is questionable, maybe it's just his integrity, and it accidentally benefits the ED). He might have not known Gu family was a part of it. Even if he had known, was he supposed to drop the case to show that he is not holding a grudge? QH criticized GTY in court bc GTY was making an unreasonable request about his cousins on the case that QH was in charge of. After everything that happened, QH and GTY are not friends anymore and QH doesn't have to show a friendly face in front of GTY. QH is trying to climb the ladder and unlike generals who got their titles from the battlefields, officials tend to ascend very slowly unless they won a big case. The rebellion case is a chance for QH to step up his game. Loving ML or not, he doesn't have to back down just bc GTY suddenly decides to protect his relatives (which everybody knows he hates). GTY was arrogant to ask the emperor to let his cousins go and QH was right to criticize him. GTY was reckless, arrogant, disrespect the law and now people blame QH for holding a grudge? It's like, he's the lead so whatever he does, people should stay out of his way or they'll become detestable characters. (I'm not discussing what happens in the preview until it's official)

 

P/S: Having parties is not a crime so even if arrested, CF would still be okay. Gu family however was 

I think people are not refuting Qh's position as an official and that's why someone said they actually support how he works since the cousins are truly guilty. 

And GTY asking for leniency for his cousins might be unreasonable but the king's son already told him it was possible since they didn't commit major mistakes. QH refuting that is also good since somehow it's questioning the emperor's power. But we all know why and what GTY did that and we all know why QH did that a little bit

QH talkinf about MN in the court is also good since it's in his jurisdiction and official's rumors have always been reported to the court. So no problem, but him now judging against GTY outside the court does not make sense at all. The issues of the court ends in the court. So even if we don't know what happened when GTY asked him if he is doing all these because of personal reasons, we can surely know that QH still questions GTY's value which literally its weird because it's QH, we should be asking where his pure beliefs are.. But I'm not saying because GTY is the lease, we just support him, but somehow his deeds are always being explained so we kinda understand him and as said earlier, GTY was never a pure gentleman, so we are the is it appropriate stage for GTY. But QH was a pure gentleman, that's why we are questioning if he wants to be like GTY, a rogus but with the heart of gold, or he just wants to turn bad because of revenge and grudge. And even though we do not know what the episodes hold, it's clear from this recent preview with ML that QH does hold grudges over the matter, whether he wants to get revenge or not, we are yet to know, but we also know that he has somehow become the pawn for the power struggle, whether he will let them continue to use him or not, We are yet to know so I think we have always been giving QH an iota of doubt in this room as regards the preview. So we are not totally supporting or understanding GTY because he is the lead but because we are given explanations for each and every thing he does, so I think it's the explanations we like and the method is plausible. So we are looking forward to the explanations for Qh's recent behaviors, if it's evil free, of course everyone loves and pity him, if it's truly because of grudge, then I have nothing to say

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58 minutes ago, zenya22 said:

But does eldest bro know that he was lied to and the truth told that his mother was not killed by GTY's mom?

 

There was a scene in one of the early episodes where GTY confronted eldest and stated that just by the size of her dowry, his mother could have married well into any grand family. She had a choice of good suitors. 

 

To believe the lie, you would have to believe that his mother pursued the Marquis, forcing him to divorce his wife, causing her death, when its quite clear its the Gu family who pursued her for her money.

 

In their final scene scene in the ancestral hall when Eldest asks if GTY would divorce ML for the good of the greater family, I think he did accept the truth, that his father would have sacrificed his mother for money/family and this pressure is what caused her death.

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It's episode 48(director's cut) that he and GTY talk before he dies. He says also to his wife and daughter on his deathbed to never trust big madam and the rest of the family. Only to trust GTY and Minglan and not get involved in conflict more or less.

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