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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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8 minutes ago, matrim said:

The ML-QH scene will come soon. Just saw next week preview. Believie it or not, QH tried to hold ML. :joy:

I dislike him now.... Honestly he should move on and realize she is happy or anyway she won't be happy if he interferes. They can't change what happened, certainly not during those times. What does he expect, that she divorces or cheats?

And of course GTY gets it all wrong :joy:

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13 hours ago, linhlinh111 said:

I'm really confused about the stepmom's son right now. I read the book before watching drama and in the book he is a villain so since the beginning I always assume he's a bad guy and kinda hate him. Now I'm not sure since he hasn't shown any sign of evil (yet) and the drama seems to derail from the book quite a lot. Did they decide to change his character or what? If they did then I really don't know what to feel. I can say I'm quite prejudiced against him.

@linhlinh111  I can believe he turned evil.. His mom greed could have been the key factor here.. She has probably lead those Uncles and Aunt In-laws to believe that it would be and embarrasment to the Gu Clan to  list GTY mom into the family geneology due to the fact of how GTY dad married his Mom in order to save the execution of there clan.. Yet the house of Gu is still living off the Bai clan.. Now being that GTY gave them no other choice but to register his mom in order to save the three younger Gu's whom seems to be F-ups.. (I think they should be made to serve in the military so they can stop taking life for granted.) Also isn't the Gu clan a house of warriors.. Why these younger ones not even listed in some kind of military services.. 

 

Back to evil step mom, She never wanted her listed that way when older brother died she has a leg to stand and fight with that her son inherits the noble title due to the fact that she's the last wife of his dad and his mom (GTY Mom) was never listed in the clan.. But it seems right before brother passes away, It seems that brother had a wake up call after he swore over his dead body. Maybe those ancestors showed him what was in store for the rest of the clan if he didn't clean it up.. 

 

Evil step mom must have spent a lot of money to track down MN.. Thinking that she's the one that can still move GTY the way she wants and MN is so angry she got found out.. She's mad with herself because she played herself.. MN thinking if she kills GTY then she can come back and claim her sin inheritence being that he is of the GU and Bai clan.. 

 

I see evil step mom teaming up with the ED to bring him down.. I think the gifts that was given to him was from the Old Emperor before he passed away.. Even if it's taken away it's nothing to him because GTY already has riches from his mom side of the family.Also brother gave him what was rightfully his.. It seems those Uncles and Step Mom got all teed off because thats what they been banking on all this time..

 

But to question the younger brother character, I think he maybe no different from his mom having two faces..

 

13 hours ago, lilkat75 said:

A lot of people to be up with all the previews :joy:

I'm going to be talking about episode 46 and 47ish...I think it's fair enough that QH is being diligent with his work but like many others have said, he seems to be a pawn of the ED. Did anyone else notice when GTY coughed purposely when one of the ministers was about to mention QH was married to the previous princess and her father who was the supposed next emperor? I thought it was nice of GTY as he holds the face of QH I think? Correct me if I'm wrong about this, that was the vibe I was getting at... It was really nice when in a much earlier episode, QH prayed for the happiness for the ML and a sense he let go... Thus, I will be pretty disappointed if QH held grudges which affect his line of work as I think his characterisation will go backwards because again he is not thinking how it will affect ML who he obviously still cares about. However, I don't blame him for keeping the dolls as a keepsake. It's not like he was opening them and admiring them. Although he does not love his current wife, he is respectful enough to her and many marriages were arranged/not for love so I don't understand his wife's logic of investigating his past love when she will be the one hurt and QH is not even bringing up ML. :wacko: 

@lilkat75  Not only is he her pawn but he's GTY pawn for a moment.. I think GTY spread the news just to get the younger three arrested in order to get what he wants.. GTY is cunning and maniulative like his wife.. She is him and he's her.. Match Made In Heaven.. 

 

12 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

Omg so much happening i liked the emotion from Wang Ruofu face when ML is have that speech vs SH, it seems like shes really feeling sorry for ML. I also really detest SH and anyone who thinks hes a good father. 

 

Also the acting from ZLY in that scene and through out this drama really impressed me.

 

I just want ML to flip out more vs SH shes bottled it up for to long.

@ForgottenSoulx  It seems that you and I are the only ones to see SH for who he is.. I'm wondering did SH run home crying about money because her MIL may have tiold her, She didn't want her anyway and the Gu clan is loaded down to go get oney from her sister. In order for that to work Molan had to appeal to her dad soft side for her whom in return talk crazy to ML for not helping her.. I say no way ML don't give the one copper penny.. It's not hers to give anyway..  If this isn;t the case it has soething to do with ML husband needing help..I still say she shouldn't give in and keep fighting the old coot who never once look at you or cared about you as a child. 

 

Who's baby Grand Ma is holding,

Come to think of it Molan really don't have dilly squat to set up a dowry for her three brats..  

 

 

 

   

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17 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

@matrim lol wtf? is he trying to ruin ML completely?

Lost control of himself obviously. I can relate to his motives but really it's too much. Think about the consequence.

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Episode 47: can the truth be told, don't the Gu 1st and 2nd brothers deserve to know the truth? 

 

The Gu children in jail have committed wrong against others and their parents specifically mothers blamed their deeds on young GTY who was punished/beaten by his father who seemingly never believed GTY. The 3rd Gu son went to the brothels and eating places to drink without money and signed an IOU with GTY's name, the son of the 4th auntie raped a maid and the sons and the aunts collaborated with the little stepmother Qin to blame it on GTY and his father believed them. The older and youngest brother to the nephews together with their parents all did GTY wrong.

 

As for the oldest brother, by now he already knows how his stepmother is a liar and how she and the 4th and 5th house's aunts and sons framed GTY for their own malice and atrocities. The oldest brother also suspects that little Qin is contriving to have her son inherit the Marquis designation and all that it represents. Because of that he is wary of his stepmother disregarding his wife and daughter after he dies. He was very young when he was told by a nanny that his mother was killed by GTY's mother. However, he himself said it that little Qin had lied and framed GTY and wants her son to be the heir to the Gu holdings and he must also know that the other aunts collaborated with little Qin to libel and scheme against GTY. Knowing all of the deceitful underhandedness of his family especially his stepmother, should he not, by now suspect that he was lied to about his mother being killed by TY's mom and used by little stepmother Qin to make him an ally against GTY? I am not saying this because I like GTY character but that it is possible to change one's beliefs. Many times people believe what they heard or were told when they were young and later questioned and proved to themselves as grown ups that their beliefs are/were false. It happens. So, it would really be nice to see big brother learn that his mother died a natural death and not killed, see the light before he dies otherwise he dies heavy hearted for no reason. He has lived his life being bitter and used by his stepmother and even for a little time before he dies, he and little brother TY need some peace, reconciliation and forgiveness. Big brother and GTY both deserve to know the truth. 

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2 hours ago, linhlinh111 said:

This is just a personal opinion but I think viewers have really low tolerance of scheming against the main couple. I am not that invested in the main couple so I watch the drama with pretty neutral eyes and I find lots of things that people are deeming "evil" rather okay. For example Sheng Hong. Except for the poison case, everything he does is within the acceptable zone, even in the issue with ML's mother. He didn't mean nor directly caused her death and he had no responsibilities to seek justice for her. After all she's merely a lowly concubines he didn't favor much.

 

GTY' older brother is totally fine with me. After all, GTY's mother was married off into the family in a shady situation where she might indirectly have caused his mother's death (also from stepmom's influence). He grew up sick all his life and he knew the title would go to GTY after he died, GTY was perfectly healthy and had a bright future. In that kind of context it's natural that he hated GTY. What he did to GTY was not excessive at all.

 

Stepmom, if she could have stopped at pampering GTY so he grew up to be arrogant and manipulating his father into disliking him, then it's actually acceptable. GTY was standing between her son and the noble title, what, do you expect she can really be nice to him? She just started to go overboard since the father's death.

 

I also find QH and his wife's action totally okay. Everybody is allowed to be selfish to a point. QH's wife has no reasons to be nice to ML. No matter if she actually meant ill will against ML when she talked to 5th aunt about Dr.He, she spoke the truth. She didn't make anything up, ML really was in a kinda relationship with Dr.He when she suddenly got married to GTY. The thing is, if something happened, you can't forbid people talking about it. But her action was not very smart, that's all. Nothing to gain from it.

 

QH is the same. He is now a Yu Shi, so he is kinda working for the disciplinary department, and GTY is the man with the worst reputation in town. He hates GTY now (why not? He's not saint) and he doesn't need to frame GTY or sth, he can do his job fair and square and still get back at GTY a little bit, so it's a great deal for him. Again, why not? If GTY is squeaky clean then QH will have nothing against him. As long as QH does things within his duty and not trying to frame GTY nor break any rules, I say go for it.

 

I know everybody wants our couple to have a smooth easy life, but that's not how it is. Everything they did in the past will leave consequences in the future. Manniang is GTY's past, he got over it but the effect still lasts. He has changed doesn't mean he could get out clean. Any weakness will be used against him, everybody lives for their own benefit and if he let a weakness exposed then others will use it. They are being targeted by everyone but actually in the lives of people with status, everybody is being targeted by everyone, we just don't see it. 

Let it all out chingu @linhlinh111.. Question So what are you invested in this drama?? Very insightful 

Some of what you said is neither wrong or right because of the era this drama is in but for me ML’s mother’s case and the death of GTY’s mom was awful and wrong in my eyes. The rest falls under the law of human nature. 

Sheng Hong

Like u said people have a right to be selfish, but he was manipulated from day one and CL never cared for him. He handed her so much power that is why  she was able to have her killed. 

GTY’s brother due to human nature felt jealousy and hate towards his brother. He was also manipulated to hurt his own brother who idolize him and pretended to love him. So I can understand what he did  GTY’s stepmom is just orueley evil. She wanted to kill GTY’s mom. GTY’s mom was  a victim , used , hated and eventually hurt by finding out she was never wanted. GTY’s step mom manipulated the situation to stress a pregnant woman into labor. < - - That is unacceptable. She had a role to play so that hubby can keep hating son and finding faults in the son he got from the woman who saved his entire family.  

Your post was very neutral and I enjoyed reading it. :)

 

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45 minutes ago, matrim said:
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The ML-QH scene will come soon. Just saw next week preview. Believie it or not, QH tried to hold ML. :joy:

 

I saw that part i was like get yo hands off her arms RN

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45 minutes ago, matrim said:
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The ML-QH scene will come soon. Just saw next week preview. Believie it or not, QH tried to hold ML. :joy:

 

I saw it too.. Wow I wanted to just slap him.. But actually GTY did not get it wrong, he knows there is nothing and there will be nothing.. But maybe something must have happened before that scene that made GTY ask her what she takes him for.. Or GTY was just blatantly mad at her for still trying to stay in front of QH when she knows what has been happening no matter if she wants to clear something with him or not or GTY might have asked her where she was and she lied.. Either way, I know GTY isn't thinking there is something between them.. Let's hope this fight comes faster 

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41 minutes ago, fra8 said:

I dislike him now.... Honestly he should move on and realize she is happy or anyway she won't be happy if he interferes. They can't change what happened, certainly not during those times. What does he expect, that she divorces or cheats?

And of course GTY gets it all wrong :joy:

Poor gty. I cant i feel so sad and quite mad but i feel i should better keep quiet before i even say anything cus the eps not out yet only the previews

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15 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

I saw it too.. Wow I wanted to just slap him.. But actually GTY did not get it wrong, he knows there is nothing and there will be nothing.. But maybe something must have happened before that scene that made GTY ask her what she takes him for.. Or GTY was just blatantly mad at her for still trying to stay in front of QH when she knows what has been happening no matter if she wants to clear something with him or not or GTY might have asked her where she was and she lied.. Either way, I know GTY isn't thinking there is something between them.. Let's hope this fight comes faster 

I agree that he doesn't believe there is something between them. He respects too much ML to believe this.

However he might be worried she never forgot QH. QH was her first choice, he saw her in love with him. And he saw her still closed off with him.He could feel that what he did was not enough, that she still has regrets. Sometimes our fears and feelings are not rational.

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Well. Rong'er will be traumatized for life knowing that her mother tried to kill her. I felt so bad for her watching the episode. I hope MN dies in the most horrifying way in the drama and begs for her life. But the actress who plays MN does a really good job in playing crazy in my opinion.

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@zenya22 Eldest brother already knows the truth that both he and GTY manipulated by Stepmom to be enemies, that she wanted the title for and that both their mothers were ill-treated by the Gu clan.

 

Even though he knows, his resentment and ingrained prejudice against GTY was already very deep. GTY was the favourite son, talented, smart with merits from an early age. So that resentment was real.

 

I believe he was playing a long game against Stepmom, pretending to still hate GTY.  Thats why he didn't try to have more kids or adopt. When he found out he was dying, he had everything ready for GTY. So, probably the most complex character of the novel. If he had given himself away as sympathetic to GTY, I believe Stepmom would have killed him pronto, quite easily as he was physically vulnerable. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

Well. Rong'er will be traumatized for life knowing that her mother tried to kill her. I felt so bad for her watching the episode. I hope MN dies in the most horrifying way in the drama and begs for her life. But the actress who plays MN does a really good job in playing crazy in my opinion.

Poor little girl :tears: i might sound like " what the heck " but these scenes of MN acting crazy, i find myself laughing at those scenes and i know that it isnt supposed to be funny and i agree that MN did a really good job. Maybe thats why i laugh idk haha

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9 minutes ago, fra8 said:

I agree that he doesn't believe there is something between them. He respects too much ML to believe this.

However he might be worried she never forgot QH. QH was her first choice, he saw her in love with him. And he saw her still closed off with him.He could feel that what he did was not enough, that she still has regrets. Sometimes our fears and feelings are not rational.

You are right.. GTY must have felt that he is still dlnot doing well for her and she still has regrets.. So I really hope ML stops treating both him and her like a survival skit and truly assure him that she has no regrets 

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25 minutes ago, zenya22 said:

He was very young when he was told by a nanny that his mother was killed by GTY's mother. However, he himself said it that little Qin had lied and framed GTY and wants her son to be the heir to the Gu holdings and he must also know that the other aunts collaborated with little Qin to libel and scheme against GTY. Knowing all of the deceitful underhandedness of his family especially his stepmother, should he not, by now suspect that he was lied to about his mother being killed by TY's mom and used by little stepmother Qin to make him an ally against GTY? I am not saying this because I like GTY character but that it is possible to change one's beliefs. Many times people believe what they heard or were told when they were young and later questioned and proved to themselves as grown ups that their beliefs are/were false. It happens. So, it would really be nice to see big brother learn that his mother died a natural death and not killed, see the light before he dies otherwise he dies heavy hearted for no reason. He has lived his life being bitter and used by his stepmother and even for a little time before he dies, he and little brother TY need some peace, reconciliation and forgiveness. Big brother and GTY both deserve to know the truth. 

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By the which episode showed a nanny telling GTY’s Eldest brother that it was his stepmom’s fault that his mom died?? I assumed it was Little Mdm Qin who told him those lies. Smh smh smh I am really curious about that. 

I too want the brothers to reconcile but episode 47 shown that he still hasn’t been able to let go of his hatred toward GTY’s mom. I don’t think he can because he lost his mom very early and he also bonded with GTY’s mom. It must have hurt him badly to after bonding with the woman who hurt his mom. Try to accept it as him being filial to his mother. But at least he doesn’t hate his brother anymore. He even knows that GTY would never hurt the Gu family. He is sure of it but since they are brothers their Stubbornness are probably the same level. It is our turn to see who will fold . Episode 47, Eldest Gu’s eyes were actually kind when speaking of his younger brother. So maybe we will get that in the next episode. 

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3 minutes ago, mooose said:

@zenya22 Eldest brother already knows the truth that both he and GTY manipulated by Stepmom to be enemies, that she wanted the title for and that both their mothers were ill-treated by the Gu clan.

 

Even though he knows, his resentment and ingrained prejudice against GTY was already very deep. GTY was the favourite son, talented, smart with merits from an early age. So that resentment was real.

 

I believe he was playing a long game against Stepmom, pretending to still hate GTY.  Thats why he didn't try to have more kids or adopt. When he found out he was dying, he had everything ready for GTY. So, probably the most complex character of the novel. If he had given himself away as sympathetic to GTY, I believe Stepmom would have killed him pronto, quite easily as he was physically vulnerable. 

 

The one thing i like about the eldest brother is that his love for his wife and daughter. He is better than sheng hong in that aspect. 

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12 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

It is also not clear whether ML told everyone that Molan causing foils for her husband’s concubine, Chunniang, like CL did to her mom. However, Liang Han starts to have doubts about Molan's words. He was asking whether their first meeting at the temple when she slipped was coincidental. I guess she has been telling him it was their fate. He threatened her to tell him the truth or he would go ask ML.

@Golden Flower  It would have been a nice twist to the story if he had asked ML about they so called fate. My guess is fro the videos clips he's finding out how much of a witch she is. I was checking out the look on Big Mdms face, She had the look of this girl is going right back at her father and just how much do she remembers at that time.. She's been holding a grudge against him for a long time..

 

11 hours ago, matrim said:

From What I recall, Gu Tingwei the third brother was a shadowy character in the novel, as the author didn't elaborate on him. I can remember 2 scenes in which he was in. The first one is when the GTY's mansion was on fire and ml giving birth to her child, GTW did nothing and played with his children. The other is after the second rebellion, GTW's corpse was discovered outside GTY's mansion, obviously he was the leader behind the attack. I think it implies that GTW wasn't a villain from the start, maybe he was manipulated by his mother, who changed him from a indifferent bystander to a villain.

@matrim  I could tell by his vocal sounds in him and mom conversation that she raised hi telling him that GTY was hindrring his way and she would need his help in order for them to survive.. Being that ML was pregnant and if she gives birth to a son, This would out him and any children he and wife has.. So yes I can see hi turning Evil.. But I read in the thread ML and GTY had 3 sons..  This tells me step mom probably died from so much anger she can't rest in peace..

 

11 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

TV epi 51-52 comment on Maniang...

 

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When I was watching today's episode earlier this morning, I cannot seem to figure out why MN would stab GTY if she wants to be accepted as his concubine even if she isn't lying about the son's death. She should seduce him as she used to instead of falling out with him. GTY even mentioned to MN that she was no longer curry-favoring him like she used to before she stabbed him. episode 52 ended in GTY and ML interrogating MN in storage room not believing what she said about the son's death was the truth. I thought of two possibilities, (1) MN already went crazy and the son actually died (2) step-mom offered money to MN so that she would stab and kill GTY. 

Then, I saw the previews of her choking Rong'er and her burning paper at son's grave. From the preview, I believe it is no 2 possibility and I do not think MN has gone crazy as she is capable of saying right things to GTY in the beginning, she was able to say right thing to beg for her food from food stall and seems to be following instructions of step-mom in spreading bad news of GTY “taking daughter and kicking her out and trying to take the son from her now.”

I think her bouts of tantrum, choking the daughter and acting like crazy person after she failed in stabbing GTY, is just she burning in her own hell of greed, jealousy towards ML and even her own daughter, and regrets of her failure to protect the son to be used as a pawn to live in luxury like she always wanted.  

I do not know why she became ragged as she was in good shape with good clothes when GTY servants let her go and told her to go away. ^_^

 

@GoldenFlower  It don't take a genius to figure her out..  She needs GTY dead so her son could inherit it all being that he was GTY rightful heir.. If she really wanted to claim her spot she should have tried to stay humble and stop ML from getting pregant.. But MN knows ML isn't no fool and if she brought the son back she will eventually have to go..

 

Maybe the son did die, As stated in the book he died and I wouldn't out it past step mom to promise her the stars and the oom if she get rid of GTY But not knowing step om would have turned her in and had those court official on her like wite on rice, In return for doing step mom bidding she would have had Ronger sold off into slavery right along with her brother.. No Ronger would have became someone concubine and brother into slavery..

 

I said MN behaving this way because she knows she has no standing with GTY or her daughter to get back in and her green with envy for ML stems fron her own wrig doing.. All her ill gotten money may have went so quick because she and brother couldn't find another ark to go after..I think when she was out in the streets shouting he kick her and the son out.. GTY old nanny should have pop out on her but and told why he kick her out and she ran off with the son to come back and use later.. I knew MN was shisty when she showed up at GTY dad house uannounced. She did this purposely to test the waters with the Dad.. If she if they would have accepted Ronger then she would have came back with the son to get in the door to steal what she wanted.. But all her plans backfired and that's what makes her angry with herself because she cheated herself..

 

11 hours ago, hello210 said:

Ooh...if it’s the second time an Aunt is trying to give them a concubine and GTY is opposing the aunt, then this should around the time they find out they’re pregnant.  

@hello210  If so I'm so happy for this news,  I got full watching how ML was eating in this drama without being pregnan.. My gawd how big the spread is going to be now.. GTY may give the whole capital a feast because of this good news..

 

10 hours ago, mooose said:

 

Regarding QH's second wife, it depends on the expectations of the marriage. Remember the conversation with GTY and ML after the home visit where she said that all she wanted was 'fairness.'

 

This is an arranged marriage so is QH being unfair to her? I don't think so. He is working hard at his job to catch up with his peers (he was a parachute candidate after all). He is not sleeping with any maids. He is cold but treats her respectfully. It takes time to build a good marriage especially when you are strangers. She wants to have his heart when she doesn't even understand him yet. Her expectation of the marriage is a tad unrealistic. 

@mooose  In regards to QH wife, She spoke of how loving her parents were thus she thought her marriage would be the same.. She has always seen the love and affection her patents showed to one another and expected QH to treat her the way she has always been shown.. Apparently she has never seen married couples fight.. She's been living in this fantasy marriage world onlkt to have her dream if marriage shatter because of her husbands past love for another women..    

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9 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

Well. Rong'er will be traumatized for life knowing that her mother tried to kill her. I felt so bad for her watching the episode. I hope MN dies in the most horrifying way in the drama and begs for her life. But the actress who plays MN does a really good job in playing crazy in my opinion.

Chingu ,  Go WATCH HER IN LEGEND OF FU YAO. 

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4 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

You are right.. GTY must have felt that he is still dlnot doing well for her and she still has regrets.. So I really hope ML stops treating both him and her like a survival skit and truly assure him that she has no regrets 

Omg i really really really agree with what you say here!!! Thats why i felt a bit upset at her.

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