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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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2 minutes ago, mooose said:

 

Regarding QH's second wife, it depends on the expectations of the marriage. Remember the conversation with GTY and ML after the home visit where she said that all she wanted was 'fairness.'

 

This is an arranged marriage so is QH being unfair to her? I don't think so. He is working hard at his job to catch up with his peers (he was a parachute candidate after all). He is not sleeping with any maids. He is cold but treats her respectfully. It takes time to build a good marriage especially when you are strangers. She wants to have his heart when she doesn't even understand him yet. Her expectation of the marriage is a tad unrealistic. 

She's controlling and suspicious in nature. No maids in her hubby's study showed that she distrust the hubby. Qh knew about her distrust and pointed out to her. 

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4 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

 

She didn't attack ML because she wants to hurt ML specifically. It's because she didn't want to accept 5th Aunt's request, she was saying that "hey aunt, my husband has already had rumors with that bride in your house, we are trying to avoid any relation with your house because of her, so stop asking us for help. Here's the information, you can use that to threaten GTY and his wife to help you, stop bothering my husband". It's just basic diversion tactic, it's not personal, she was just pushing the burden back to ML and GTY, if 5th Aunt didn't come to her door, there's no reason for her to do that.

She doesn't need to tell her about ml's past, if she wanted to avert the 5th aunt. The excuse she gave before is sufficient enough. Talking bad things about someone you don't even know personally to her in laws, in my book is malicious. 

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Post marriage of GTY and ML the most consistent plot line has been the story of concubines.

Except the Shengs every one has tried their best to have concubines enter the newlywed's household which was laboriously thwarted.

 

Since Gu household cousins lacked GTY's foresight of concubines are hazardous material and need careful handling they ended up being hung out to dry.

After 10 episodes of the concubine stories one hopes we will bid them adieu with Ms.Maniang's departure.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, mooose said:

 

Regarding QH's second wife, it depends on the expectations of the marriage. Remember the conversation with GTY and ML after the home visit where she said that all she wanted was 'fairness.'

 

This is an arranged marriage so is QH being unfair to her? I don't think so. He is working hard at his job to catch up with his peers (he was a parachute candidate after all). He is not sleeping with any maids. He is cold but treats her respectfully. It takes time to build a good marriage especially when you are strangers. She wants to have his heart when she doesn't even understand him yet. Her expectation of the marriage is a tad unrealistic. 

 

Yes, her expectation was high. She told her maid that she expected her marriage with QH was going to be loving like her parents, but in the same conversation, she also stated that she had understood that her expectation was too high, hence, she's gonna accept the reality. Now, she only wanted to fullfill her responsibilities as his wife (taking care of his clothes etc., even if he's neglecting her). Did she get angry at QH? No, she was disappointed, but she accepted it. Only then, she found the doll and realized that her husband may not had forgotten his first love. Did she do anything rash after the discovery? No, she's still seen dutifully accompanied her husband to Gu's funeral, still polite and gracious towards him, then heard her husband STILL defending ML, then concluding that her husband was still carrying a torch for ML. I don't know why she should accept that her husband is obviously in love with somebody else, someone who had rumors with him that the whole city knows about, the love that her husband doesn't even seem to bother hiding from her? It would be REALLY weird if she's not jealous at all.

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24 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

She's controlling and suspicious in nature. No maids in her hubby's study showed that she distrust the hubby. Qh knew about her distrust and pointed out to her. 

 

It wasn't her decision that there's no maid in her hubby's study. QH told her that because he thought she was jealous, but she dismissed that thought, only concerned that he hasn't come to sleep in a proper bedroom with his main wife for a month. It was a legit concern, as a main wife, she has the right to be worry, for her husband's well-being, for her own face (she probably would have to answer to his mother about this, because in this era, it will always be HER fault that her husband doesn't want to sleep with her) and for their relationship, also for the prospect of having any children at all.

 

With the way he's talking to her, I don't think she's the one who has the "controlling" stance in the marriage, she barely has her husband's attention. In this relationship, it's obvious that QH is the one who has all the power. He can ignore her all he wants, she just has to accept it.

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1 hour ago, matrim said:

 

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In chapter 219 of the novel, Madam Liu, the wife of the official responsible for the investigation of the second rebellion, told ML GTW was the leader of bandits who attacked GTY mansion.

 

Thanks for taking time even giving me the chaper no.  I wasn't doubting of what you mentioned. I trust you. I was just simply stating I don't remember. :D  listened to the audio files and only read first chapter of the book. I might have missed hearing about that GTW part.  

Yesterday, you quoted my post related to viki's translating 东家 as Mr. Sheng but said very similar to what I interpreted/ wrote in the post before checking the subs and mentioned it was inappropriate for ML to call her father as Mr. Sheng. So, I’ll take it as my interpretation was right and the viki's subs are wrong. (Actually, YouTube sub also use Mr. Sheng. They might be using viki's subs since other errors that I noticed and checked are the same though their subs cover chinese subs but viki doesn't.) 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Golden Flower said:

Thanks for taking time even giving me the chaper no.  I wasn't doubting of what you mentioned. I trust you. I was just simply stating I don't remember. :D  listened to the audio files and only read first chapter of the book. I might have missed hearing about that GTW part.  

Yesterday, you quoted my post related to viki's translating 东家 as Mr. Sheng but said very similar to what I interpreted/ wrote in the post before checking the subs and mentioned it was inappropriate for ML to call her father as Mr. Sheng. So, I’ll take it as my interpretation was right and the viki's subs are wrong. (Actually, YouTube sub also use Mr. Sheng. They might be using viki's subs since other errors that I noticed and checked are the same though their subs cover chinese subs but viki doesn't.) 

 

 

 

You're right. Your interpretation of 东家 was right and viki's subs wrong. No idea why it's been translated like that.

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Up to now GTY's behaviors in court are baffling. It seems he tried his best to annoy everyone. By tricking EP into giving up the jade seal to the emperor, he made EP his enemy. Later his plea for leniency in court frustrated the emperor as it's a deviation from the original plan, causing the emperor to lose face. When ML reminded him that generals who boasted military achivements didn't have happy endings, GTY just dismissed it as if it were nothing. What he did now is to purposefully lose the favor of the emperor. This arrogant, rash GTY didn't fit EP's description of him (most intelligent aid of the emperor) at all. It smells fishy. GTY must be cooking something really big. What do you think?

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19 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

 

Seems after seeing ML and QH together GTY gets drunk and looses it. He kept asking ML why won't she take him seriously??

And then as if all the other people causing trouble for ML and GTY were not enough... now kang auntie joins the circus. Gifting concubines has suddenly become the trend. Somebody please gift some to QH, so his wife keeps her nose out of other peoples business.

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21 minutes ago, matrim said:

Up to now GTY's behaviors in court are baffling. It seems he tried his best to annoy everyone. By tricking EP into giving up the jade seal to the emperor, he made EP his enemy. Later his plea for leniency in court frustrated the emperor as it's a deviation from the original plan, causing the emperor to lose face. When ML reminded him that generals who boasted military achivements didn't have happy endings, GTY just dismissed it as if it were nothing. What he did now is to purposefully lose the favor of the emperor. This arrogant, rash GTY didn't fit EP's description of him (most intelligent aid of the emperor) at all. It smells fishy. GTY must be cooking something really big. What do you think?

I completely agree that it seems weird. I don't get what he is trying to do since it seems he is working for his downfall.

But then I doubt his downfall is voluntary. He asked ML for an  amiable separation and I doubt he would do it if it weren't serious.

And I am sure ML has to save him. It was foreshadowed by the paint of the Empress (not sure about the title) saving her man and ML needs her shining moment, needs to show her capabilities, her interlligence.

This would also help GTY see she fights for him and loves him and it would make her more secure. It'd balance more their relationship. It'd show she meant it when she said she would repay it with her life.

At this point she risked everything for her mother, she will do it for her granny...I guess she will do it for him.

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6 hours ago, greenwatch08 said:

Thanks.

After TSoML is finished airing, I'll check these out. I've heard good things about NIF & Yanxi.

Watched most mentioned here and yes, good dramas but wht's NIF in full?

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19 minutes ago, fra8 said:

I completely agree that it seems weird. I don't get what he is trying to do since it seems he is working for his downfall.

But then I doubt his downfall is voluntary. He asked ML for an  amiable separation and I doubt he would do it if it weren't serious.

And I am sure ML has to save him. It was foreshadowed by the paint of the Empress (not sure about the title) saving her man and ML needs her shining moment, needs to show her capabilities, her interlligence.

This would also help GTY see she fights for him and loves him and it would make her more secure. It'd balance more their relationship. It'd show she meant it when she said she would repay it with her life.

At this point she risked everything for her mother, she will do it for her granny...I guess she will do it for him.

 

What if asking for separation is a test to see whether ML loves him or not?

The fight between them happens after the ML-QH scene, which comes sometime after GTY's first son is born. 

As someone pointed out... if we go by the ending credits art....ML gives birth first and banging the drums artwork comes after. If we assume banging the drum is for GTY and not Granny's poisoning then GTY's downfall planned or not, comes after his son is born... and he still is not sure if ML loves him or not. So maybe he's testing her.

And yes ML needs to show him he is important to her and more than just a provider and protector.

8 minutes ago, Meli Cahyadi said:

Can anyone tell me what did GTY say to ML in the trailer?

 

All I could understand from google translate was..GTY kept saying.....Why don't you take me seriously? 

 

7 minutes ago, Katrina Abdul Talib said:

Watched most mentioned here and yes, good dramas but wht's NIF in full?

 

Nirvana in Fire.

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32 minutes ago, dito said:

 

Seems after seeing ML and QH together GTY gets drunk and looses it. He kept asking ML why won't she take him seriously??

And then as if all the other people causing trouble for ML and GTY were not enough... now kang auntie joins the circus. Gifting concubines has suddenly become the trend. Somebody please gift some to QH, so his wife keeps her nose out of other peoples business.

The story of concubines doesn't seem to have a closure soon.

Aunty and GTY's evil stepmom are now acquaintances?

Looks like it's a small word where you can find each other  if you are a villain.

I whole heartedly agree to send some concubines to the Qi manner to keep both QH and his wife busy and not meddle in ML and GTY's affairs.

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4 hours ago, gleek49 said:

 

Right now, I'm leaning more to the theory that he genuinely care about GTY, he knows of his mother scheming, but because she is his mother, he's been turning a blind eye to it. I hope that he wouldn't turn evil, but I would also not surprise if he chooses to side with his mother later. It's his mother after all.

 

One more thing, (sigh, I'm going to get so much flak for this :sweatingbullets:) I've been quite perplexed at my fellow viewers categorising QH's 2nd wife, Madam Shen, as "evil". I mean, I don't understand why? The only reason she told 5th aunt about ML and Dr. He's history, is because 5th aunt was trying to ask for QH's help regarding her son, Madam Shen was only trying to refuse to help on her husband's behalf, to dismiss any personal connection her husband had with ML and Gu family? Basically, 5th aunt was trying to bribe QH and his wife is only trying to refuse the bribe and keep her husband out of it? She wasn't doing it because she wanted to hurt ML? She only realized that ML might mean more to QH than she thought AFTER meeting with 5th aunt? And then, in ep 46, it was obvious that she was getting over her suspicions towards ML, telling her maid to drop investigating ML and trying to focus on taking care of her husband? Only then, she found the dolls? And she hasn't done anything "evil" towards ML since?? Why is it her faults that her husband neglects her (hasn't been in her room and sleeping in his study for a month), if QH was going to treat his wife like that, why did he marry her in the first place, because his family needed an incubator? The fact that QH basically told her (after GTY's brother funeral) "GTY was being stupid is his own fault, keep ML out of it", like he STILL defending ML to his own wife? The poor girl didn't do anything to deserve that kind of treatments? She's not a saint, why should she just tolerate it? If I was her, I would also be bitter as hell! She was actually more gracious than I expected her to be in this kind of situation. Of course, she would want to "snatch" her husband back, she may not be his 1st wife or 1st love, but they are MARRIED, she's currently, literally the one person who has the right to claim him.

 

Of course, I would take it all back if she does do things that would harm ML later, but right now, I honestly don't think she's done anything deserving to be label as "evil" yet. I apologize for being all riled up, but I just thought any character should deserve to be defended and understood where they are coming from, even if they are not Sad Pretty Boy with Soulful Watery Eyes :)

She has the right attitude in wanting to reclaim her husband's heart.. but hope she will not involve ML in her quest. 

 

Its good she was curious and wanted to know more about her husband's first love or only love of his life.. but only if she use this info to learn more about her husband's choices in life to help improve their relationship.

 

As it was an arranged marriage prolly her coming from a different province, she must be clueless about QH's past.. 

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1 hour ago, matrim said:

Up to now GTY's behaviors in court are baffling. It seems he tried his best to annoy everyone. By tricking EP into giving up the jade seal to the emperor, he made EP his enemy. Later his plea for leniency in court frustrated the emperor as it's a deviation from the original plan, causing the emperor to lose face. When ML reminded him that generals who boasted military achivements didn't have happy endings, GTY just dismissed it as if it were nothing. What he did now is to purposefully lose the favor of the emperor. This arrogant, rash GTY didn't fit EP's description of him (most intelligent aid of the emperor) at all. It smells fishy. GTY must be cooking something really big. What do you think?

 

59 minutes ago, fra8 said:

I completely agree that it seems weird. I don't get what he is trying to do since it seems he is working for his downfall.

But then I doubt his downfall is voluntary. He asked ML for an  amiable separation and I doubt he would do it if it weren't serious.

And I am sure ML has to save him. It was foreshadowed by the paint of the Empress (not sure about the title) saving her man and ML needs her shining moment, needs to show her capabilities, her interlligence.

This would also help GTY see she fights for him and loves him and it would make her more secure. It'd balance more their relationship. It'd show she meant it when she said she would repay it with her life.

At this point she risked everything for her mother, she will do it for her granny...I guess she will do it for him.

Many times in those days, they do the separation or divorce to keep their spouse from being implicated in whatever problems are happening to them so it’s probably something big. Like some of the others, I think it’s going to be part of a bigger plan, possibly to flush out those they need to in order to fully gain control of the court. One of the things I’ve noticed about GTY is his loyalties and he seems to always give his friends the ability to have plausible deniability in his schemes so if things don’t work out, they are not implicated. The reactions of Emperor has to be real in order to ensure those he wants to trick, believes it.  It seems the only way to fluster the Empress Dowager since she’s still listening in on the court stuff and trying to control everything. It’s almost similar to what he does with Stepmom but not straight forward. He’s acting the rascal that the Empress Dowager and the old nobility thinks he his. Maybe, being demoted and dismissed like this is the only way he’ll be able to move about doing what needs to be done? 

          And yes, it would also be a test for ML too. As she could take the amiable separation or stick through it all with him. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, gleek49 said:

 

She didn't attack ML because she wants to hurt ML specifically. It's because she didn't want to accept 5th Aunt's request, she was saying that "hey aunt, my husband has already had rumors with that bride in your house, we are trying to avoid any relation with your house because of her, so stop asking us for help. Here's the information, you can use that to threaten GTY and his wife to help you, stop bothering my husband". It's just basic diversion tactic, it's not personal, she was just pushing the burden back to ML and GTY, if 5th Aunt didn't come to her door, there's no reason for her to do that.

 

4 hours ago, leeza77 said:

She doesn't need to tell her about ml's past, if she wanted to avert the 5th aunt. The excuse she gave before is sufficient enough. Talking bad things about someone you don't even know personally to her in laws, in my book is malicious. 

I'm with @leeza77 on this. I wouldn't necessarily call her evil, but she  was opportunistic, and took the chance to just stab ML a lil bit. She could have stopped at not wanting to get involved with the Gu Family due to past history and the awkward situation currently. Didn't need to bring in He Family. 

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I noticed that Maniang was shocked that the fiesty Miss she battled with before is now Gu Ting Ye's peincipal wife.

 

She almost accused Ming Lan that she must have schemed to have Gu Ting Ye for herself. Ming Lan just told her she married according to her family's wishes.

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