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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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19 minutes ago, mingerling said:

Yooo this show is getting hella spicyyyy

https://www.weibo.com/tv/v/HdtOnB0UP?fid=1034:4332128452962200

Omg it's going down.. ML finally openly talked about her mother issue.. She definitely knows Molan must have done the same thing to the concubine.. So sad.. Yaass ML let them know the injustice you felt 

6 minutes ago, greenwatch08 said:

I didn't know until ep.18 when someone mentioned it in the discussion box on viki. I'm still awestruck. Congrats to them. They are lovely together.

They truly are so cute.. I love reel-real couples a lot.. I believe they are much more in love than what we see here because this drama was made after they started dating.. So cute 

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15 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

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Omg so much happening i liked the emotion from Wang Ruofu face when ML is have that speech vs SH, it seems like shes really feeling sorry for ML. I also really detest SH and anyone who thinks hes a good father. 

 

Also the acting from ZLY in that scene and through out this drama really impressed me.

 

I just want ML to flip out more vs SH shes bottled it up for to long.

 

 

This drama will be in my top 5 Chinese drama's ever its just so damn solid i cant really fault anything .

 

NIF

Story of Yanxi Palace

Ming Lan

10 miles of peach blossoms

Addicted.

 

The last choice is hard but i really loved addicted. 

These are great dramas really.. So on my list too. And Minglan just made its way to my top 3.. It's so well made that it really gives you the concept of family.. The directors do not disappoint, they did NIF and they are making changes with minglan too

 

16 minutes ago, greenwatch08 said:

Im still amused that both the lead actors (ZLY&FSF) who portrays ML & TY are a couple in real life. Like wow, even these cuties are a couple on & offscreen. I'm so happy for them. 

I was so happy when I heard they will be doing this drama after knowing about their relationship.. Somehow you can feel the real feelings there even though Zhao liying has great chemistry with all her male leads but this feels more different or maybe because they have been dating before this drama and they are married, I somehow view them differently.. It's just so great seeing them together 

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1 minute ago, Suzzy San said:

I was so happy when I heard they will be doing this drama after knowing about their relationship.. Somehow you can feel the real feelings there even though Zhao liying has great chemistry with all her male leads but this feels more different or maybe because they have been dating before this drama and they are married, I somehow view them differently.. It's just so great seeing them together 

Wow. I didnt know.

I'm not too familiar with c-entertainment

/actors & actresses. TSoML is the fourth c-drama I ever watched.

 

ZLY & FSF have such great onscreen chemistry as ML & TY. They are both so in tune with eachother. 

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8 minutes ago, greenwatch08 said:

Wow. I didnt know.

I'm not too familiar with c-entertainment

/actors & actresses. TSoML is the fourth c-drama I ever watched.

 

ZLY & FSF have such great onscreen chemistry as ML & TY. They are both so in tune with eachother. 

True true.. They are so in tune with each other.. Yes they got married last year Oct and expecting a child now 

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@paras part of the answer to your question earlier in new preview 

 

On 1/24/2019 at 11:29 AM, Golden Flower said:

It seems to me Molan was trying to kneel but her husband prevented her or she sat back down after SH pulled her up from kneeling. I'm not sure she is trying to kneel to beg ML something or ML brought up about CL causing ML's mom death. (Molan's husband didn't look that upset though he look uncomfortable. So, I'm not sure whether ML directly accused Molan causing foils for her husband's concubine or not (?)) Then, may be ML get angry due to Molan's usual tactics of crying/ kneeling and ML started throwing bowls? 

 

New preview & summary: The continuation of ML’s head-on argument with SH at family lunch!

 

Spoiler

http://m.v.qq.com/x/cover/x/xmw2gfef226jygj/r0029f9w1uy.html?&ptag=4_6.6.1.22092_copy

 

My guess from earlier was right that ML brought up about CL causing her mom’s death during childbirth. However, we cannot tell what exactly happened between Molan and ML for her to bring her mom’s case up and causing Molan kneel (pretend to kneel?). It is also not clear whether ML told everyone that Molan causing foils for her husband’s concubine, Chunniang, like CL did to her mom. However, Liang Han starts to have doubts about Molan's words. He was asking whether their first secret meeting at the temple when she slipped was coincidental. I guess she has been telling him it was their fate. He threatened her to tell him the truth or he would go ask ML.

GTY said he loves her quiet and warm nature but he loves her feisty side more. ML now has to face GTY’s paternal aunt giving her concubines :( GTY defends ML saying it isn’t ML fault and told his aunt about step-mom sending MN to stab him so that her own son could inherit when he dies. (I hope his aunt believes him). ML told Tanju that she doesn't want to bother GTY with this little thing (didn’t mention in details) since he has been having issues at imperial court and already protected her with his aunt making her accept concubines. 

(I’m just writing this out of my memory after watching trailer. I’m sorry I don’t have time now to go back and check every dialogues like I did for previous previews' translations). Hope my summary makes sense. 

 

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32 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

These are great dramas really.. So on my list too. And Minglan just made its way to my top 3.. It's so well made that it really gives you the concept of family.. The directors do not disappoint, they did NIF and they are making changes with minglan too

 

I was so happy when I heard they will be doing this drama after knowing about their relationship.. Somehow you can feel the real feelings there even though Zhao liying has great chemistry with all her male leads but this feels more different or maybe because they have been dating before this drama and they are married, I somehow view them differently.. It's just so great seeing them together 

 

Maybe my list changes after i finish the advisors alliance and Empresses in the palace but Ming Lan will stay top 5 for sure. 

19 minutes ago, greenwatch08 said:

Wow. I didnt know.

I'm not too familiar with c-entertainment

/actors & actresses. TSoML is the fourth c-drama I ever watched.

 

ZLY & FSF have such great onscreen chemistry as ML & TY. They are both so in tune with eachother. 

 

You watched NIF and Yanxi , 10 miles of peach blossoms?

 

I would suggest all 3 of these for everyone whose sorta new to Chinese Drama's. 

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3 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

You watched NIF and Yanxi , 10 miles of peach blossoms?

 

I would suggest all 3 of these for everyone whose sorta new to Chinese Drama's. 

Thanks.

After TSoML is finished airing, I'll check these out. I've heard good things about NIF & Yanxi.

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2 hours ago, linhlinh111 said:

I'm really confused about the stepmom's son right now. I read the book before watching drama and in the book he is a villain so since the beginning I always assume he's a bad guy and kinda hate him. Now I'm not sure since he hasn't shown any sign of evil (yet) and the drama seems to derail from the book quite a lot. Did they decide to change his character or what? If they did then I really don't know what to feel. I can say I'm quite prejudiced against him.

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From What I recall, Gu Tingwei the third brother was a shadowy character in the novel, as the author didn't elaborate on him. I can remember 2 scenes in which he was in. The first one is when the GTY's mansion was on fire and ml giving birth to her child, GTW did nothing and played with his children. The other is after the second rebellion, GTW's corpse was discovered outside GTY's mansion, obviously he was the leader behind the attack. I think it implies that GTW wasn't a villain from the start, maybe he was manipulated by his mother, who changed him from a indifferent bystander to a villain.

 

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8 minutes ago, greenwatch08 said:

Thanks.

After TSoML is finished airing, I'll check these out. I've heard good things about NIF & Yanxi.

 

10 miles is a fantasy type drama but its the best one ;p 

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TV epi 51-52 comment on Maniang...

 

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When I was watching today's episode earlier this morning, I cannot seem to figure out why MN would stab GTY if she wants to be accepted as his concubine even if she isn't lying about the son's death. She should seduce him as she used to instead of falling out with him. GTY even mentioned to MN that she was no longer curry-favoring him like she used to before she stabbed him. episode 52 ended in GTY and ML interrogating MN in storage room not believing what she said about the son's death was the truth. I thought of two possibilities, (1) MN already went crazy and the son actually died (2) step-mom offered money to MN so that she would stab and kill GTY. 

Then, I saw the previews of her choking Rong'er and her burning paper at son's grave. From the preview, I believe it is no 2 possibility and I do not think MN has gone crazy as she is capable of saying right things to GTY in the beginning, she was able to say right thing to beg for her food from food stall and seems to be following instructions of step-mom in spreading bad news of GTY “taking daughter and kicking her out and trying to take the son from her now.”

I think her bouts of tantrum, choking the daughter and acting like crazy person after she failed in stabbing GTY, is just she burning in her own hell of greed, jealousy towards ML and even her own daughter, and regrets of her failure to protect the son to be used as a pawn to live in luxury like she always wanted.  

I do not know why she became ragged as she was in good shape with good clothes when GTY servants let her go and told her to go away. ^_^

 

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51 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

@paras part of the answer to your question earlier in new preview 

 

 

New preview & summary: The continuation of ML’s head-on argument with SH at family lunch!

 

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http://m.v.qq.com/x/cover/x/xmw2gfef226jygj/r0029f9w1uy.html?&ptag=4_6.6.1.22092_copy

 

My guess from earlier was right that ML brought up about CL causing her mom’s death during childbirth. However, we cannot tell what exactly happened between Molan and ML for her to bring her mom’s case up and causing Molan kneel (pretend to kneel?). It is also not clear whether ML told everyone that Molan causing foils for her husband’s concubine, Chunniang, like CL did to her mom. However, Liang Han starts to have doubts about Molan's words. He was asking whether their first meeting at the temple when she slipped was coincidental. I guess she has been telling him it was their fate. He threatened her to tell him the truth or he would go ask ML.

GTY said he loves her quiet nature but he loves her feisty side more. ML now has to face GTY’s paternal aunt giving her concubines :( GTY defends ML saying it isn’t ML fault and told his aunt about step-mom sending MN to stab him so that her own son could inherit when he dies. (I hope his aunt believes him). ML told Tanju that she doesn't want to bother GTY with this little thing (don’t mention in details) since he has been having issues at imperial court and already protected her with his aunt making her accept concubines. 

(I’m just writing this out of my memory after watching trailer. I’m sorry I don’t have time now to go back and check every dialogues like I did for previous previews' translations). Hope my summary makes sense. 

 

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Ooh...if it’s the second time an Aunt is trying to give them a concubine and GTY is opposing the aunt, then this should around the time they find out they’re pregnant.  

 

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6 hours ago, dito said:

 

How cool would it be if his downfall is all a part of his plan. Getting punished and sent off to fight as a foot soldier may be just the thing to get his family from out of the middle of the power struggle. 

Agree that GTY's downfall is part of his plan, but the ultimate aim was not to stay out of the power struggle. In his conversation with EP, he swore allegiance to the emperor and his predecessor. As a loyal general and friend of Huan Prince and the emperor, he wouldn't abandon them just for the safety of himself and his family. 

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4 minutes ago, matrim said:

Agree that GTY's downfall is part of his plan, but the ultimate aim was not to stay out of the power struggle. In his conversation with EP, he swore allegiance to the emperor and his predecessor. As a loyal general and friend of Huan Prince and the emperor, he wouldn't abandon them just for the safety of himself and his family. 

I agree. He’s always prepared to take steps backwards when needed. In his conversation with ML, he said he’s already calculated all of this so I also think it’s going to be part of a larger plan.

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3 hours ago, linhlinh111 said:

I'm really confused about the stepmom's son right now. I read the book before watching drama and in the book he is a villain so since the beginning I always assume he's a bad guy and kinda hate him. Now I'm not sure since he hasn't shown any sign of evil (yet) and the drama seems to derail from the book quite a lot. Did they decide to change his character or what? If they did then I really don't know what to feel. I can say I'm quite prejudiced against him.

@matrim In ep 51, it shows that GTW knew his mom has been pretending in showing affections and care for GTY. He also said to his mom in carriage ride back from general's mansion (after GTY sort of kicked them and 5th uncle family out by smashing the vase) that "we all are pretending and only second brother doesn't pretend". Before I heard him saying this, I thought he loves GTY and he isn't two-faced like his mom. Now, I wonder how much did he pretend? His concerns towards GTY by inquiring CB of his whereabouts are genuine or not? At their father's dead bed, he seemed not to know about his mom and oldest brother blocking GTY from seeing the father, but is he pretending there too? (It doesn't seem to me he was pretending at that time though). 

He, however, disagreed to his mom's suggestion about getting the Marquis title and wants to get along with GTY. So,  GTW's character is ???? for me now.

 

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Although I know the attack to mansion was caused by step-mom but only remembered GTW was shot by arrow during that second rebellion. I didn't know/remember he was the leader of the attack. 

 

Since the scenes in the book hasn't happened yet, I guess we just have to wait and see whether drama will make him become evil. :D 

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15 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

@matrim In ep 51, it shows that GTW knew his mom has been pretending in showing affections and care for GTY. He also said to his mom in carriage ride back from general's mansion (after GTY sort of kicked them and 5th uncle family out by smashing the vase) that "we all are pretending and only second brother doesn't pretend". Before I heard him saying this, I thought he loves GTY and he isn't two-faced like his mom. Now, I wonder how much did he pretend? His concerns towards GTY by inquiring CB of his whereabouts are genuine or not? At their father's dead bed, he seemed not to know about his mom and oldest brother blocking GTY from seeing the father, but is he pretending there too? (It doesn't seem to me he was pretending at that time though). 

He, however, disagreed to his mom's suggestion about getting the Marquis title and wants to get along with GTY. So,  GTW's character is ???? for me now.

 

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Although I know the attack to mansion was caused by step-mom but only remembered GTW was shot by arrow during that second rebellion. I didn't know/remember he was the leader of the attack. 

 

Since the scenes in the book hasn't happened yet, I guess we just have to wait and see whether drama will make him become evil. :D 

 

Right now, I'm leaning more to the theory that he genuinely care about GTY, he knows of his mother scheming, but because she is his mother, he's been turning a blind eye to it. I hope that he wouldn't turn evil, but I would also not surprise if he chooses to side with his mother later. It's his mother after all.

 

One more thing, (sigh, I'm going to get so much flak for this :sweatingbullets:) I've been quite perplexed at my fellow viewers categorising QH's 2nd wife, Madam Shen, as "evil". I mean, I don't understand why? The only reason she told 5th aunt about ML and Dr. He's history, is because 5th aunt was trying to ask for QH's help regarding her son, Madam Shen was only trying to refuse to help on her husband's behalf, to dismiss any personal connection her husband had with ML and Gu family? Basically, 5th aunt was trying to bribe QH and his wife is only trying to refuse the bribe and keep her husband out of it? She wasn't doing it because she wanted to hurt ML? She only realized that ML might mean more to QH than she thought AFTER meeting with 5th aunt? And then, in ep 46, it was obvious that she was getting over her suspicions towards ML, telling her maid to drop investigating ML and trying to focus on taking care of her husband? Only then, she found the dolls? And she hasn't done anything "evil" towards ML since?? Why is it her faults that her husband neglects her (hasn't been in her room and sleeping in his study for a month), if QH was going to treat his wife like that, why did he marry her in the first place, because his family needed an incubator? The fact that QH basically told her (after GTY's brother funeral) "GTY was being stupid is his own fault, keep ML out of it", like he STILL defending ML to his own wife? The poor girl didn't do anything to deserve that kind of treatments? She's not a saint, why should she just tolerate it? If I was her, I would also be bitter as hell! She was actually more gracious than I expected her to be in this kind of situation. Of course, she would want to "snatch" her husband back, she may not be his 1st wife or 1st love, but they are MARRIED, she's currently, literally the one person who has the right to claim him.

 

Of course, I would take it all back if she does do things that would harm ML later, but right now, I honestly don't think she's done anything deserving to be label as "evil" yet. I apologize for being all riled up, but I just thought any character should deserve to be defended and understood where they are coming from, even if they are not Sad Pretty Boy with Soulful Watery Eyes :)

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51 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

@matrim In ep 51, it shows that GTW knew his mom has been pretending in showing affections and care for GTY. He also said to his mom in carriage ride back from general's mansion (after GTY sort of kicked them and 5th uncle family out by smashing the vase) that "we all are pretending and only second brother doesn't pretend". Before I heard him saying this, I thought he loves GTY and he isn't two-faced like his mom. Now, I wonder how much did he pretend? His concerns towards GTY by inquiring CB of his whereabouts are genuine or not? At their father's dead bed, he seemed not to know about his mom and oldest brother blocking GTY from seeing the father, but is he pretending there too? (It doesn't seem to me he was pretending at that time though). 

He, however, disagreed to his mom's suggestion about getting the Marquis title and wants to get along with GTY. So,  GTW's character is ???? for me now.

 

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Although I know the attack to mansion was caused by step-mom but only remembered GTW was shot by arrow during that second rebellion. I didn't know/remember he was the leader of the attack. 

 

Since the scenes in the book hasn't happened yet, I guess we just have to wait and see whether drama will make him become evil. :D 

I think GTW just made a general statement, meaning all members of Gu household were hypocrites except GTY. From the angry reaction of him getting off the carriage, It seems he resented his mother's actions and wasn't completely on her side.

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In chapter 219 of the novel, Madam Liu, the wife of the official responsible for the investigation of the second rebellion, told ML GTW was the leader of bandits who attacked GTY mansion.

 

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36 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

 

Right now, I'm leaning more to the theory that he genuinely care about GTY, he knows of his mother scheming, but because she is his mother, he's been turning a blind eye to it. I hope that he wouldn't turn evil, but I would also not surprise if he chooses to side with his mother later. It's his mother after all.

 

One more thing, (sigh, I'm going to get so much flak for this :sweatingbullets:) I've been quite perplexed at my fellow viewers categorising QH's 2nd wife, Madam Shen, as "evil". I mean, I don't understand why? The only reason she told 5th aunt about ML and Dr. He's history, is because 5th aunt was trying to ask for QH's help regarding her son, Madam Shen was only trying to refuse to help on her husband's behalf, to dismiss any personal connection her husband had with ML and Gu family? Basically, 5th aunt was trying to bribe QH and his wife is only trying to refuse the bribe and keep her husband out of it? She wasn't doing it because she wanted to hurt ML? She only realized that ML might mean more to QH than she thought AFTER meeting with 5th aunt? And then, in ep 46, it was obvious that she was getting over her suspicions towards ML, telling her maid to drop investigating ML and trying to focus on taking care of her husband? Only then, she found the dolls? And she hasn't done anything "evil" towards ML since?? Why is it her faults that her husband neglects her (hasn't been in her room and sleeping in his study for a month), if QH was going to treat his wife like that, why did he marry her in the first place, because his family needed an incubator? The fact that QH basically told her (after GTY's brother funeral) "GTY was being stupid is his own fault, keep ML out of it", like he STILL defending ML to his own wife? The poor girl didn't do anything to deserve that kind of treatments? She's not a saint, why should she just tolerate it? If I was her, I would also be bitter as hell! She was actually more gracious than I expected her to be in this kind of situation. Of course, she would want to "snatch" her husband back, she may not be his 1st wife or 1st love, but they are MARRIED, she's currently, literally the one person who has the right to claim him.

 

Of course, I would take it all back if she does do things that would harm ML later, but right now, I honestly don't think she's done anything deserving to be label as "evil" yet. I apologize for being all riled up, but I just thought any character should deserve to be defended and understood where they are coming from, even if they are not Sad Pretty Boy with Soulful Watery Eyes :)

You forgot that she told fifth aunt about dr he, thus gave ammunition for fifth aunt to force ml to help her son. What's the purpose of telling the aunt about dr he if not to hurt ml, as if ml was not a good woman. Already bethrothed to dr he, but then marry gty who is better in status to dr he. So, she is actually has a malicious intention towards ml. 

Nobody stop her from loving or trying to earn the love of qh, but why do you want to attack ml? 

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37 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

The poor girl didn't do anything to deserve that kind of treatments? She's not a saint, why should she just tolerate it? If I was her, I would also be bitter as hell! She was actually more gracious than I expected her to be in this kind of situation.

 

Regarding QH's second wife, it depends on the expectations of the marriage. Remember the conversation with GTY and ML after the home visit where she said that all she wanted was 'fairness.'

 

This is an arranged marriage so is QH being unfair to her? I don't think so. He is working hard at his job to catch up with his peers (he was a parachute candidate after all). He is not sleeping with any maids. He is cold but treats her respectfully. It takes time to build a good marriage especially when you are strangers. She wants to have his heart when she doesn't even understand him yet. Her expectation of the marriage is a tad unrealistic. 

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3 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

You forgot that she told fifth aunt about dr he, thus gave ammunition for fifth aunt to force ml to help her son. What's the purpose of telling the aunt about dr he if not to hurt ml, as if ml was not a good woman. Already bethrothed to dr he, but then marry gty who is better in status to dr he. So, she is actually has a malicious intention towards ml. 

Nobody stop her from loving or trying to earn the love of qh, but why do you want to attack ml? 

 

She didn't attack ML because she wants to hurt ML specifically. It's because she didn't want to accept 5th Aunt's request, she was saying that "hey aunt, my husband has already had rumors with that bride in your house, we are trying to avoid any relation with your house because of her, so stop asking us for help. Here's the information, you can use that to threaten GTY and his wife to help you, stop bothering my husband". It's just basic diversion tactic, it's not personal, she was just pushing the burden back to ML and GTY, if 5th Aunt didn't come to her door, there's no reason for her to do that.

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