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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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Actors dubbing the drama

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I also saw these pics going around and :love: production looks so good

 

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So much attention to detail. Don't let me down Daylight. I am hoping it airs in December like it is rumored. 

 

 

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I only read after they get married and I feel that it was pretty much what dito said. I find Minglan quite interesting because she is so practical and level headed. 

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1 hour ago, mrsyooknit said:

Now it just needs to air this year 

Yes....It feels like we've been waiting years....not just one.

I was so disappointed with what they did to HSALF.....I was getting scared for this but I shouldn't since whatever extra they need to add is pretty much already there in the source material....all the sisters and their drama before and after marriage. Main wife and the Concubine conflict, GTY and his drama with his family and his concubine.....QH and his family...Ming Lan and her suitors.....Princes fight for the throne..etc. Should be more than enough for 70, right?

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4 minutes ago, dito said:

Yes....It feels like we've been waiting years....not just one.

I was so disappointed with what they did to HSALF.....I was getting scared for this but I shouldn't since whatever extra they need to add is pretty much already there in the source material....all the sisters and their drama before and after marriage. Main wife and the Concubine conflict, GTY and his drama with his family and his concubine.....QH and his family...Ming Lan and her suitors.....Princes fight for the throne..etc. Should be more than enough for 70, right?

 

 

It feels like we have been waiting forever but filming just finished early this year. 

 

I think the original novel pretty much covers all side characters. The main reason I am not worried is that the screenwriters for Minglan are really good. They both worked on Battle of Changsha, which had a really good script. Both dramas seem similar in the sense that they focus on relationships among family members. The main problem with HSALF adaptation is the mess between production and screenwriters deviating from the novel. I also think Minglan book version probably covers more than the drama since it is so long so they will cut some parts. 

 

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It seems like they are still dubbing this. Hopefully post production will be done before November. I don't think they can submit this for SARFT approval until dubbing is complete. I always thought dubbing was done very fast, but I guess since actors are dubbing their own characters it is taking a lot longer to dub the whole drama. I still havent seen any pics of ZLY or FSF dubbing their characters just some supporting actors. On one hand it is good that Daylight is being so detailed oriented and they are def not rushing but on the other I wanted to see it soon. If it doesnt air during December, I don't know when Hunan will have a spot to air it again :tears:

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9 minutes ago, mrsyooknit said:

It seems like they are still dubbing this. Hopefully post production will be done before November. I don't think they can submit this for SARFT approval until dubbing is complete. I always thought dubbing was done very fast, but I guess since actors are dubbing their own characters it is taken a lot longer to dub the whole drama. I still havent seen any pics of ZLY or FSF dubbing their characters just some supporting actors. On one hand it is good that the production is being so detailed oriented and they are def not rushing but on the other I wanted to see it soon. If it doesnt air during December, I don't know when Hunan will have a spot to air it again :tears:

I have a feeling they might air this drama next year. Hunan already has one drama with high production values not doing so well ratings wise. From the comments it seems Chinese viewers find Rise of Phoenixes too slow. If they think palace politics is slow then Minglan would feel even slower since most of it is about household fights and kids growing up.....not much wuxia elements...or even wars...in other words nothing exciting for an average viewer. 

But there are also things in favor of airing it right now. After Guardian, ZYL's popularity has risen considerably... people are eager to see him in another role. ZLY too has lots of people waiting eagerly for her to come back with a bang after PA. Lastly with so many rumors about FSF and ZLY dating going about producers might think this is the right time to cash in on that.

Q: How long does it take for SARFT to clear the drama and give it a go ahead?

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57 minutes ago, dito said:

I have a feeling they might air this drama next year. Hunan already has one drama with high production values not doing so well ratings wise. From the comments it seems Chinese viewers find Rise of Phoenixes too slow. If they think palace politics is slow then Minglan would feel even slower since most of it is about household fights and kids growing up.....not much wuxia elements...or even wars...in other words nothing exciting for an average viewer. 

But there are also things in favor of airing it right now. After Guardian, ZYL's popularity has risen considerably... people are eager to see him in another role. ZLY too has lots of people waiting eagerly for her to come back with a bang after PA. Lastly with so many rumors about FSF and ZLY dating going about producers might think this is the right time to cash in on that.

Q: How long does it take for SARFT to clear the drama and give it a go ahead?

 

honestly, I dont know how long it takes SARFT and they are very mercurial. They have approved very few historical dramas to air on TV this year. On the plus side I believe the story doesnt have any real historical figures which would make it much easier to get approved. 

 

yeah low ratings for Rise of Phoenixes have been shocking but I read that they completely changed the novel so they lost the initial fanbase from the get go. I don't even know why they bothered in buying an IP if they were planning on doing this. It seems like production was relying on good reviews and the main cast being pretty popular. But I guess it is just not enough to offset people feeling like the plot is slow. 

 

Daylight always goes for quality > ratings. And I think Nirvana 2 also had pretty low ratings but it was airing on a late time show. For some reason I don't think Minglan will get super low ratings. Apparently script is true to the novel and novel fans seem happy with everything coming out so far so it will retain its original fanbase. Then we have Zhao Liying not having a drama in over a year, rise in popularity for ZYL, and Daylight being very well respected as a production company. Rumors between ZLY and FSF could cause buzz but I doubt they they will be more significant. Timing is also big bc some dramas miss their timing and it can really affect them like Ruyi airing after Yanxi Palace became popular cost them a lot. 

 

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2 hours ago, mrsyooknit said:

 

honestly, I dont know how long it takes SARFT and they are very mercurial. They have approved very few historical dramas to air on TV this year. On the plus side I believe the story doesnt have any real historical figures which would make it much easier to get approved. 

 

yeah low ratings for Rise of Phoenixes have been shocking but I read that they completely changed the novel so they lost the initial fanbase from the get go. I don't even know why they bothered in buying an IP if they were planning on doing this. It seems like production was relying on good reviews and the main cast being pretty popular. But I guess it is just not enough to offset people feeling like the plot is slow. 

 

Daylight always goes for quality > ratings. And I think Nirvana 2 also had pretty low ratings but it was airing on a late time show. For some reason I don't think Minglan will get super low ratings. Apparently script is true to the novel and novel fans seem happy with everything coming out so far so it will retain its original fanbase. Then we have Zhao Liying not having a drama in over a year, rise in popularity for ZYL, and Daylight being very well respected as a production company. Rumors between ZLY and FSF could cause buzz but I doubt they they will be more significant. Timing is also big bc some dramas miss their timing and it can really affect them like Ruyi airing after Yanxi Palace became popular cost them a lot. 

 

You know good writers can make the viewers anticipate every episode, even where nothing happens....and still enjoy it without cribbing about fillers. I have yet to see such episodes in chinese dramas. Last c-drama I watched without ff-ing a single scene was NIF. So anyone connected to that drama in anyway has my good will already. I trust Daylight for quality but not Hunan when it comes to going after ratings.

I'm still LMAO at Ruyi...how could they get stars like that and create so much buzz when filming then get completely over shadowed by the competition just before airing. Heads must have rolled somewhere at that dropped ball. I'm not watching that anyways...I didn't watch Yanxi either...not my cup of tea. I was anticipating HSALF ....got disappointed by the changes and dropped it. Still waiting for ROP to air on netflix. I started reading ROP then stopped when I heard they changed the whole story. The few chapters I read female lead was kickass. Hopefully drama is slowly building her up to that. But yes I agree why buy the rights when you gonna change the whole thing....

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3 hours ago, dito said:

You know good writers can make the viewers anticipate every episode, even where nothing happens....and still enjoy it without cribbing about fillers. I have yet to see such episodes in chinese dramas. Last c-drama I watched without ff-ing a single scene was NIF. So anyone connected to that drama in anyway has my good will already. I trust Daylight for quality but not Hunan when it comes to going after ratings.

I'm still LMAO at Ruyi...how could they get stars like that and create so much buzz when filming then get completely over shadowed by the competition just before airing. Heads must have rolled somewhere at that dropped ball. I'm not watching that anyways...I didn't watch Yanxi either...not my cup of tea. I was anticipating HSALF ....got disappointed by the changes and dropped it. Still waiting for ROP to air on netflix. I started reading ROP then stopped when I heard they changed the whole story. The few chapters I read female lead was kickass. Hopefully drama is slowly building her up to that. But yes I agree why buy the rights when you gonna change the whole thing....

 

Good writers are so hard to find in every country :bawling:  and then you have production changing scripts to please their sponsors and adding fillers :(NIF you couldnt skip anything bc everything was essential to understanding the plot and for other dramas some side character parts are completely irrelevant to the story. I hope I am not jinxing it, but I really like the screenwriters for Minglan. I believe they only have another drama, Battle of Changsha, not sure if it was adapted from a book but I think it was. One of those rare dramas with really good character development. I do admit some parts were slow to me but I think it was due to it being a war drama. I am hoping since the original book has good reviews plus with these two screenwriters produced a great scrip before we will get something of quality. *crosses all fingers*

 

Hunan does try their best going after ratings. They usually get high ratings but this year has just been a big flop for them. Their main problem is their scissor fingers. I swear they do some of the worse editing. I was hoping Daylight wouldn't sell to them and they had never sold to them before so I am guessing the rumors that they paid a ridiculous amount for this drama are true. Zhao Liying is one of the actresses that gets Hunan good ratings so that along with Daylight made them go full force after this drama. I can only hope that Daylight got some reassurances about what Hunan would do with their final product. Looking at their lineup for this time slot, Minglan is their only big production drama left for this year so I think they are hoping it will do well. If it gets pushed back then it could be a long time before it airs.  

 

I have seen only a few episodes of Ruyi and I havent seen Yanxi. While Ruyi is not bad from what I have seen, I do think people were expecting a higher quality production but most of the money was probably used up on the main two actors. While Yanxi used up most of their money in production so it comes off more visually appealing. This and ROP should be a wake up call that paying a lot for popular celebs is not enough, you need a well rounded production. A lot of these dramas used up most of their money on two cast members. I do plan on checking ROP out when it starts airing on Netflix but not super excited for it just bc I am not in the mood for its genre. 
 

Overall, I liked HSALF but I am not at all happy with the script. It could have been so much better and you can really pinpoint where things started going bad. You can skip about ~15 episodes in the middle and miss nothing regarding the main storyline. So many fillers. I can rant about issues with this script forever. Really frustrating since a lot of bts drama came to light and you know production messed up a good story. 

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I like Ruyi, it's like NIF and Battle of Changsha, started out slow and then gradually build up to a point where u just can't wait for the next epi. to show already. I'm thinking Minglan will be somewhat similar, as @dito mentioned it is just a family drama which will be a bit slow for some viewers (which might affect the ratings), with storyline basically about infighting amongst the concubines and their children and how Minglan grew up learning how to stay strong and be smart and also i think they will mostly focus too on the relationship between her and her grandmother..i think if this drama does do well, i believe it is bcos of ZLY's fans and  ZYL's rising popularity may also contribute and also the older and mostly women and maybe some men who r into family dramas will give this one a go.

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8 hours ago, mrsyooknit said:

 

Good writers are so hard to find in every country :bawling:  and then you have production changing scripts to please their sponsors and adding fillers :(NIF you couldnt skip anything bc everything was essential to understanding the plot and for other dramas some side character parts are completely irrelevant to the story. I hope I am not jinxing it, but I really like the screenwriters for Minglan. I believe they only have another drama, Battle of Changsha, not sure if it was adapted from a book but I think it was. One of those rare dramas with really good character development. I do admit some parts were slow to me but I think it was due to it being a war drama. I am hoping since the original book has good reviews plus with these two screenwriters produced a great scrip before we will get something of quality. *crosses all fingers*

 

Hunan does try their best going after ratings. They usually get high ratings but this year has just been a big flop for them. Their main problem is their scissor fingers. I swear they do some of the worse editing. I was hoping Daylight wouldn't sell to them and they had never sold to them before so I am guessing the rumors that they paid a ridiculous amount for this drama are true. Zhao Liying is one of the actresses that gets Hunan good ratings so that along with Daylight made them go full force after this drama. I can only hope that Daylight got some reassurances about what Hunan would do with their final product. Looking at their lineup for this time slot, Minglan is their only big production drama left for this year so I think they are hoping it will do well. If it gets pushed back then it could be a long time before it airs.  

 

I have seen only a few episodes of Ruyi and I havent seen Yanxi. While Ruyi is not bad from what I have seen, I do think people were expecting a higher quality production but most of the money was probably used up on the main two actors. While Yanxi used up most of their money in production so it comes off more visually appealing. This and ROP should be a wake up call that paying a lot for popular celebs is not enough, you need a well rounded production. A lot of these dramas used up most of their money on two cast members. I do plan on checking ROP out when it starts airing on Netflix but not super excited for it just bc I am not in the mood for its genre. 
 

Overall, I liked HSALF but I am not at all happy with the script. It could have been so much better and you can really pinpoint where things started going bad. You can skip about ~15 episodes in the middle and miss nothing regarding the main storyline. So many fillers. I can rant about issues with this script forever. Really frustrating since a lot of bts drama came to light and you know production messed up a good story. 

I agree, a good drama shows how much effort the makers have taken on all fronts not just actors or sets and production values.

Yes I've read people saying Ruyi is not bad but when they've watched a better produced version of the same story....of course it will feel like a let down. I think since Yanxi aired first and was getting good ratings Ruyi should have been postponed to next year. Then at least the story and the characters wouldn't feel so repetitive...and won't be compared to Yanxi so much.

@jewelsc too

I agree with both of you about Battle Of Changsha....I remember forwarding scenes in the beginning of the show....but by the time I reached halfway I was watching almost every scene. And that drama did character development of its characters really well....I kind of disliked the brother in law in the beginning but by the end he became my favorite character....

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58 minutes ago, Wotad said:

Have not watched Battle of Changsha yet but you people are convincing me haha. 

 

Its not bad...but story telling is a bit slow. You'll need a lot of patience in the beginning. And lots of time it feels like nothing is happening. Some characters will make you want to pull your hair out sometimes....smh at that twin brother... But you will see the characters literally grow and change because of what they went through. Its a story of a normal family living and surviving through war....the father is an academic...a poet or something....not much help in earning money to run the household of 7-8 people...including a pair of trouble making twins. So the responsibility comes down on the shady brother in law who's not above cheating and thieving from the people he works for....the military. The moment I realized that thank God this family has this person looking after them otherwise they will all be dead by now was the moment I started liking his character.   

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@jewelsc

Thanks for the info. I will give it a few episodes to built up since I really enjoyed those dramas. 

I do think the story has potential to be liked by many. When I was younger family dramas were really popular with the whole house while ZLY fans can bring in a younger audience.

@dito

Yeah pretty much. I found the first episodes a bit slow but didnt skip. The brother in law grew so much on me. He did some bad things but he had a good heart while the father was very honorable but didnt do anything for his family if was only up to him they would have died.

@Wotad

Great drama. Has very realistic characters that experience a lot of growth. It is a family drama during war times but it really captures the complexity of human beings. No one is really evil or good and everyone has character flaws. 

 

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NiF2 had low ratings not only because it aired late night, it was also released online first. tRoP required a fair bit of set up, and editing could be better, but lots of people just don't have patience for it, which is fair.

 

As for Minglan, these kind of family stories have always been popular I think? On TV and now in web novels, so there's plenty of potential for it to hit off in ratings. I'd smidge worry about the length (god pls stop making dramas so long), but TV watchers aren't too worried about them usually, it's people who binge/watch online (so younger viewers) that worry about them.

 

Can the drama pass SARFT in 2 months though? That seems like a super short time? It'd be good to set it to Jan-Feb though to draw in all the people on holidays.

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1 hour ago, skibbies said:

NiF2 had low ratings not only because it aired late night, it was also released online first. tRoP required a fair bit of set up, and editing could be better, but lots of people just don't have patience for it, which is fair.

 

As for Minglan, these kind of family stories have always been popular I think? On TV and now in web novels, so there's plenty of potential for it to hit off in ratings. I'd smidge worry about the length (god pls stop making dramas so long), but TV watchers aren't too worried about them usually, it's people who binge/watch online (so younger viewers) that worry about them.

 

Can the drama pass SARFT in 2 months though? That seems like a super short time? It'd be good to set it to Jan-Feb though to draw in all the people on holidays.

 

yeah it does seem a short time to pass SARFT. Hunan will air a historical drama in December since they have like ~40 or so historical episodes left for the year and I doubt they would waste them. So if Minglan doesnt air in December this year then we are in for the long run :( that is why I am hopping they finish up and pass SARFT already. 

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On 9/15/2018 at 6:21 PM, skibbies said:

NiF2 had low ratings not only because it aired late night, it was also released online first. tRoP required a fair bit of set up, and editing could be better, but lots of people just don't have patience for it, which is fair.

 

As for Minglan, these kind of family stories have always been popular I think? On TV and now in web novels, so there's plenty of potential for it to hit off in ratings. I'd smidge worry about the length (god pls stop making dramas so long), but TV watchers aren't too worried about them usually, it's people who binge/watch online (so younger viewers) that worry about them.

 

Can the drama pass SARFT in 2 months though? That seems like a super short time? It'd be good to set it to Jan-Feb though to draw in all the people on holidays.

 

Length to me does not matter as long as the content is good aka Empresses in the Palace i was not bored at all. 

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