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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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2 hours ago, Suzzy San said:

I understand why ML is like that, but the truth she is getting dependent on him and she keeps on saying she won't expect more or be too happy in order to guard herself but if my wive keeps saying all these all the time, I will be so sad too, I think GTY is more sad and worried about her, that she is not still free and totally putting her trust fully in him, than being insecure, he just wants her to confide in him and be happy always trusting him.. But ML is too traumatized that she is so afraid of putting all her heart out for someone.. So sad.. That's why I said, that fight is much needed and essential to break the final ice between them 

 

It's sad but her reasons were justifiable. ML being traumatized is just a part of it, she was being rational too. Her family's status is way below GTY's, so it's true that she doesn't have any kind of leverage against him. She doesn't want to but the fact is that she is dependent and relies on him. All of her happiness now is resulted from his fondness of her and in reality love usually doesn't last forever. If there comes a day when he doesn't love her as much or he is swayed by some other woman, there's nothing she can do and her family couldn't help her at all. So she has to be extra careful not to be arrogant and make a mistake cuz if one day he was not protective of her anymore then everything she has done would be used against her. And as a woman she has a lot more to lose than him. That is one big disadvantage of marrying up. It is pessimistic but it is very true for women from that era. And to fully trust someone who's holding that much power upon herself is not that easy.

 

In a context where everything is decided by the husband, asking the wife to give her all is a little too much.

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Episode 41: 1st day after wedding night and war starts at the Gu household: The strategy of the mother in law and daughter in law from the art of war and the winner is.... the DAUGHTER IN LAW.... ML 

 

1st day of married life and still in honeymoon stage and little stepmother Qin is already attacking.

 

Gu Ting Ye described the 4th aunt as an ignorant, pretentious bully to a T. 4th aunt proved to all and sundry that she is ignorant and pretentious but she can't bully her way to Ming Lan for the very reason that she is ignorant. It was too late before the aunt from 5th house realized that little stepmom Qin used them, especially idiotic 4th aunt. The aunts appeared as bullies and little stepmom came out smelling like a rose, the savior. Little stepmom Qin also learned that her assumptions of ML were wrong because ML is not a simpleton who can be easily bamboozled. This daughter in law is educated, sharp and resourceful. Minglan instantly saw through little Qin's strategy: use a borrowed knife to kill. Little Qin used the the maid Hangxiao to push as a concubine and the dumb and dumber aunts to crush ML to acquiesce. Little Qin did not know that ML has been informed and forewarned about her and the aunts character and disposition. Little Qin knew nothing about the new daughter in law.

 

ML then countered little Qin's strategy with: Don't attack directly, attack something that the enemy holds dear and retreat as advancement and defense as offense. What little Qin holds dear is her reputation as the benevolent and loving mother as if she does not remember how she exposed her hypocrisy to GTY when his father died. ML kneeling at the hall of ancestors for as long as necessary will cause gossip to eventually spread that the mother in law punished the daughter in law for not accepting a maid as a concubine on the first day after her wedding night. That the new husband specifically informed the wife that he did not want a concubine and ML said she would ask her husband's opinion first. The mother in law and the aunts will appear as if they are forcing the new daughter in law to accept a concubine without the consent of her husband on the ist day after the wedding night. The mother in law and the aunts will be seen as coercers and hasslers. Little Qin is forced to double back and make herself look good by "rescuing" ML while making dumb and dumber the bullies. ML already saw through her when she describes to GTY that little Qin has the look and mannerism of a Bodhisattva but makes others do the evil deed. ML made little Qin aware that her little tricks are infantile. Now the aunts especially the 4th are cursing little Qin for being fake. Little Qin is angered as she, the 4th and 5th aunts have harassed and slandered the 2nd Big Madam, GTY's mother and lied about, slandered and framed the son GTY. That is what GTY had to live through. 

 

I laugh though everytime GTY whips back at little Qin. At the meeting with the uncles, little Qin tried to bring up Hangxiao the maid who is not the tart the aunts are making her out to be, that she was raped by the son of the 4th house and GTY was blamed. Little Qin thought that if she brought up the maid with the uncles she will be able to make GTY the bad guy but as soon as GTY tried to inform the uncles which house the maid was from, little Qin backed off. GTY then helped Hangxiao by telling them that ML will find a house for Hangxiao. The scholars at the academy, GTY and especially grandma and her life experiences taught her well. 

 

GTY inorder to survive had to tolerate and patiently wait for a chance to set things right for himself and his mother. Oldest coughing brother, little Qin and the aunts and uncles are underestimating GTY. I am sure that little Qin is looking for Manniang to bring back. ML has dealt with that manipulative woman when she was but a teenager and ML will deal with her even better now that she is a grown woman. I can't wait for GTY's justice. 

 

Which reminds me of the first fight at the dessert store when ML told TY that she will go to the mountain monastery and become a nun rather than marry him and here she is married to him. But she did make something of that threat when she made him chase her all over China and then in the capital city of Bianjing. 

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5 hours ago, gleek49 said:

 

 

And it's true that SH would never use his children for his own gain,

 

I agree with everyone you said apart from this bit i dont think he would use his other children but i 100% believe he would use ML if he had to cover up any scandal or she had to be married to someone for gain he would use her.

 

4 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

 

Younger sister of empress Shen. She visited Minglan’s house with her brother (国舅,general Shen, the one who was upset that he was decreed to marry Duke Ying’s daughter not too long after his wife passed away in rebellion) and fished together in today epi (DVD epi 44).

 

Even with all this connection to the imperials and high general's , GTY will forced to become a normal solider.. its quite odd. I wonder if its a trick so these other people planning a rebellion speak to GTY in hope's he would join them against the royal family that just punished him.

 

 

4 hours ago, Meli Cahyadi said:
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I have read the ending spoiler on weibo. ML passed away at age 38. Can you believe that ? :bawling:

 

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I hope they change that if this drama gets to that age.. i dont want to see ML die in this drama at all. 

 

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I'm loving these past two episodes, ML telling those old witches to stsy out of my court yard and mind your own.. I can handle my own house without your spies.. 

 

I see Evil step mom even pick out some beauties to see if he'll take the bait.. 

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I finally have time to caught up a bit with the drama, still only up to episode 30 but I have been skimming through this thread to get a sense of some of the major plots/happening in the latest episodes. I am actually glad that both leads will take time/patience/and understanding to fell in/expose their love. Marriage is not the end and it is nice to see two people slowly developing their relationship afterward.  

As for QH, oh boy, as someone said I don't dislike this character as this character represents a certain type of people in that age and time and his behavior and actions are defined by his upbringing and surroundings but based on the latest possibility of his character to turn bad...I soooooo do not hope this will happen. I will be very disappointed in the screenwriter if they fell into this cliche plot to turn the second lead evil as plot device to create some climates and hardship for our main couple here. The screenwriter should think up a better plot device than this and I hope this is not true. Based on his upbringing, I can see QH as persistence, not mature, and even if he resort to blaming GTY I am ok because it is still within his character (although the character will be very dislikable) but if he have ANY ill intention toward GTY, his character is completely destroyed. No matter what QH becomes in the future, I can't see him hurting anyone (emotionally, yes) but actually framing/hurting/destroying someone, I can't because it will be out of his character. I mean you can argue that his unfair treatment or bad experience caused him to turn vengeful but it will be soo out of character. To me, that does not make sense. Even at breaking point from all the pressure, he rather kill himself. I prefer to see his character finally maturing, sad but it is reality for the naive boy he once was, and stay away from our main couple until at the end for some closure that ML is living happy. That will be an ideal storyline for him and don't want to see him interfering in our main couple anymore. I want to remember their bittersweet ending of their first love and not a persisting guy who keep interfering and causing trouble. Hope this is not true :(  

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Whenever ML stood up and fought for something she paid a huge price.

For the 1st time in her life post marriage she has been encouraged to indulge herself without worrying. It must feel like a dream to her which can break at any given moment.

To even visit a resturant which she desired and her husband was willing to take she hesitated.

When she gave in to the wish of visiting her family in a well to do fashion she was berated for flaunting a rich lifestyle.

Amidst this hostile enviornment, hoping for complete everlasting  devotion from a temperamental man like GTY is like aiming for the moon.

If ML can have fairness and equality in this  lifetime she can share his affection too..

To bestow women with those in ancient times was the best testament of love.It was a revolutionary deed that many wouldn't undertake.

GTY has his work cut out for him.I love the honesty in their relationship.Both have set high ideals for their spouses.

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5 hours ago, Meli Cahyadi said:
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I have read the ending spoiler on weibo. ML passed away at age 38. Can you believe that ? :bawling:

I am not familiar with weibo...but how accurate is the summary there??? I followed your link and found in sooooo sadddd that it makes me not want to watch the remaining episodes!

 

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3 minutes ago, shem1 said:

I am not familiar with weibo...but how accurate is the summary there??? I followed your link and found in sooooo sadddd that it makes me not want to watch the remaining episodes!

 

I don't think that is the ending. Maybe some anti fans tries to sabotage the drama. 

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7 hours ago, frenchfan said:

Don't forget that she grew up seeing how the male in her family treated the women.  One minute, you are lucky to have your husband paying you attention and then poof, that could all disappear.  She has experienced this with her mum where her father rarely ever comes to visit until she has to find ways and waited for him after the visit to grandma to get him to come for dinner.  Fo rher, men are unpredictable, you have to depend on your own self.  I supposed it explains why she is the way she is.  She is distrustful and her trust needs to be earned.  GTY will need to earn it. That's the challenge of marriage life even today.  This is why I like this drama because it potrays the ups and downs not just all sweet and roses.

What I like about this novel is the fact that it is an allegory portrayed in a different timeline. ML's life-story and challenges are not a thing of the past or a fictional situation - it applies in the present day. This is a great lesson and advice for women in general to rely on self and no-one else outside of self.

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3 hours ago, linhlinh111 said:

 

Thank you! I thought nobody would agree with me. Looking from a modern POV SH was a horrible father but based on the context he was not that bad. He played favorites but he actually never tried to harm nor use ML. Tbh, ML's personality is not the type that evokes a man's pity, unlike Molan. ML is just a shu daughter without a mother to speak for her so she basically didn't appear in his eyes much.. 

 

SH is selfish to a point. He of course acts for the family's benefit, but he also did things that would harm the family's reputation on his own interest. For example he favored Lin and let her take control, overpowering Daniang, which is a very disgrace thing in a family with status. Reason was he felt threatened by Daniang, who was from a higher status than himself, and she was stubborn and did not know how to pamper him.

 

But in arranging marriage for his children he was quite a good father. First he didn't try to use any of his children's marriages for money or power (many men did that in the story). Second he didn't leave it for Daniang but took it to his own hands. He tried to choose the best spouses for their own interest. For example Hualan, CB, CF were good matches (all decided by him). Although Molan wanted to marry off to status, he was rational and picked a scholar for her (which was suitable for her position, but later went to Rulan). The thing with Molan, Rulan and ML was out of his control, but he handled it the best he could. In the end all of his children were happy (except for Molan but she got what she wanted).

 

I think ML doesn't hate him bc ML never targeted him. ML's main target earlier were Linniang and Molan and he just got involved in and was used by ML. After that she got nothing to do with him anymore. Even in the poison case she only pressures him to seek justice for Granny bc he doesn't want to make a big deal, when she get want she wants she doesn't touch him at all. If we look at him as a villain then he is a villain with the happiest ending ever. He end up in a high position, all of his children are successful, Sheng family rises in status, what more can there be? So I guess he is not considered a bad guy.

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Yes, I’ve mentioned before that I don’t think SH is a bad person. In the beginning of the show I thought he was a cruel greedy father but as the show progressed I’ve concluded he is not a terrible person... Even in a modern POV I still think he is not a bad father. What he lacks and people asking too much of him is having emotional support for his kids. But he doesn’t really need to exhaust himself that much as his kids already have emotional support from their mothers and ML with granny. I believe he is more active in showing emotional support towards his sons, as he sees them as his legacy. Although I say that ML and RL rarely seeks their father for emotional support. If they do seek him out he will listen to a point but it doesn’t mean that he would cater to everyone of their wishes. The biggiest spoiled brat who would not understand that and will expect too much is Molan who tried to seek/steal all the love and attention from her dad. If things don’t go her way, if she’s punished she would cry woe is me, di di don’t love me anymore, di di is going to abandon us....

 

But I agree to you that SH was selfish to a point. He did favor and was more lenient towards CL then the main wife, up until momo Kang opened his eyes that his favoritism over the concubine can cause discord and even the fall of a household. If he felt no shame, felt no guilt, and didn’t want to take momo Kang’s wise teaching than he is really a selfish and narcissistic person. 

He did foolishly lavished CL and was easily manipulated at the start but only to a point as long as it didn’t disregard his moral values and firm ruling... And one of the things he values is his children. He may be harsh in disciplining and may have shown a moments of favoritism but I think his treatment towards his kids is far better than GTYs father and that he is much more forgiving... That is why CL would never dare speak badly about the other kids like Big Madam does because she knows showing hostility towards the other kids and pitying only her own child more will not work on SH. That is why she can only use her little tricks of seduction and pity to gain most of SH attention for her and her kids. Big Madam is true to her character and can’t do it. So Big Madam in SH eyes easily casted as being selfish only caring about her own biological child. And that is an advantage CL used against Big Madam in currying favor for her kids. 

 

Although people say SH may not care for ML. It is ML whom he sees as the most filial and trust her words more than RL and Molan when it came to their sibling dispute. I can sense that he does pity her but choose not to show it. He always reiterate, my good child ML. 

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6 hours ago, Meli Cahyadi said:
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I have read the ending spoiler on weibo. ML passed away at age 38. Can you believe that ? :bawling:

 

No,no, that's not true. I have read the novel. The ending is ML and GTY  leave the capital and go to Chengdu to guard the countries' frontier , with their two little sons. Chengdu is a good place named as 'land of abundance' in Chinese history.

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1 hour ago, shem1 said:

I am not familiar with weibo...but how accurate is the summary there??? I followed your link and found in sooooo sadddd that it makes me not want to watch the remaining episodes!

 

The summary there is not from the drama. It's not even From the book.. The actors confirmed that it's a happy ending drama.. So don't worry and enjoy the rest of the drama 

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14 hours ago, matrim said:

In the preview, ML said "My husband has been framed." From this I guess it's a scheme involving his family (mostly his stepmother) and his political enemies or those seeking the throne. I doubt his family alone would have enough resources to bring him down. In the novel there was a second rebellion. Perhaps the throne seeking party reasoned by removing GTY, a right-hand man of the emperor, they could undermine the emperor's position, thus increasing their chance of success. And their desire coincided with that of Gu family.   

so you mean.they`ll frame GTY and remove him from his position as a right-hand man of the emperor,well.if that happened.I hate that.they always try and frame him and making everything difficult for him.but from some trailers.I guess GTY will make his revenge.isn`t it?

.So does that explain this scene in this trailer when he walks with normal soldiers to war. or is it another thing?

 

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GTY’s first clash with royals coming up soon?

 

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From previews posted on weibo, there is a few scenes where empress dowager was really upset while talking with her eunuch. She was tricked into giving up the imperial seal by GTY. The details wasn’t mentioned in the clip but she said the method was supposedly hideous and no one around new emperor and Hen Wang (the son GTY is close to), other than GTY, could have done it. GTY confessed to ML that he was the one who planned the way so that empress dowager would be forced to give up the imperial seal. So, I wonder dowager  (Da Niang Niang) would do something to frame GTY?

I don’t think this event was in the book but in history, dowager Cao was regent for over a year as emperor Yingzhong got severely ill after he was enthroned. She refused to give up her regency after emperor recovered and she was forced to give it up by chancellor He by removing the screen she sat behind in the throne room. The drama has been showing empress dowager sitting in behind the curtain during state discussions. Remember, in the drama, current emperor was not a designated heir till rebellion. So, he is basically not trained to govern the country and it makes sense that dowager is helping him but she ought to let him rule by himself after certain period as he is not a child. 

 

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10 hours ago, leeza77 said:
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R u talking about qh? Qh attitude are childish. He felt he has been dealt by fate unjustly and he threw a tantrum. Instead of analyzing what he has done wrong, he put the blame on other person. 

 

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I have this feeling that they’re going to use the Qi connection to the Dowager Empress to get to GTY.  Unlike the old Emperor and current royals, she doesn’t hold GTY in high regard. 

     There is a part in one of the trailers where QH has soldiers with him and he was yelling at someone the looked like GTY from the back. That scene he seems to have the same attitude as in these new teasers.

 

And did the Dowager try to give maids to them or something?

 

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I have this feeling that they’re going to use the Qi connection to the Dowager Empress to get to GTY.  Unlike the old Emperor and current royals, she doesn’t hold GTY in high regard. 

 

And did the Dowager try to give maids to them or something?

 

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Yes, the Dowager triedto give the palace servants but ml has out witted the Dowager. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

GTY’s first clash with royals coming up soon?

 

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From previews posted on weibo, there is a few scenes where empress dowager was really upset. She was tricked into giving up the imperial seal by GTY. The details wasn’t mentioned in the clip but the method was supposedly hideous and no one around new emperor and Hen Wang (the son GTY is close to) other than GTY could have done it. GTY confessed to ML that he was the one who planned the way so that empress dowager would be forced to give up the imperial seal. So, I wonder dowager  (Da Niang Niang) would do something to frame GTY?

I don’t think this event was in the book but in history, dowager Cao was regent for over a year as emperor Yingzhong got severely ill after he was enthroned. She refused to give up her regency after emperor recovered and she was forced to give it up by chancellor He by removing the screen she sat behind in the throne room. The drama has been showing empress dowager sitting in behind the curtain during state discussions. Remember, in the drama, current emperor was not a designated heir till rebellion. So, he is basically not trained to govern the country and it makes sense that dowager is helping him but she ought to let him rule by himself after certain period as he is not a child. 

 

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I can see something like that happening if the Dowager won’t give up power.  I can also see this leading to a faction and another hostility crisis. I need to catch up on today’s episodes.

 

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