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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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28 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

Watched the director's cut episode 43 and 44. It was pretty good although i don't understand. Rong'er was in two scenes i think. ML and Rong'er is getting along really well. One of the scene are the one when GTY,ML, Rong'er being playful together. I hope Rong'er will be in alot of episodes cause i really like seeing them together. Will be painful when MN returns though. I guess around that time there will be some strain on their relationship since MN will try to turn her against ML

 

@leeza77 Disgusting and he even dared to approach ML later according to the trailer

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R u talking about qh? Qh attitude are childish. He felt he has been dealt by fate unjustly and he threw a tantrum. Instead of analyzing what he has done wrong, he put the blame on other person. 

 

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9 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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Since yesterday we were discussing it, from the new episodes I would say he is in love and she is falling. It's a matter of small glances, of smiles, but the feelings are there. I wouldn't doubt it. They are so cute. 

 

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@leeza77

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Yeah, i meant QH. Also him sowing discord in GTY and ML marriage by approaching her according to the trailers for the drama before it started. But it will just make ML realize what a disappointment he actually is and regret falling in love with him and bring ML & GTY closer.

 

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4 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

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Yeah, i meant QH. Also him sowing discord in GTY and ML marriage by approaching her according to the trailers for the drama before it started. But it will just make ML realize what a disappointment he actually is and regret falling in love with him and bring ML & GTY closer.

 

@Lunkera 

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Ml has yet to trust gty fully. Still thinks that is the lord and she is not in equal footing with him. Gty heard her say so to xiatao. Feel frustrated. This is the seed if doubt the plant the discord in their relationship. Qh is only the trigger. Not the real reason. 

http://p.weibo.com/show/channerWbH5/1034:4331015553145830

 

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1 hour ago, leeza77 said:
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From the trailer, qh has actually changed. He became vengeful and secretly take a shot to gty's family member, disguising as doing his duty as an officer. Gty didn't believe it, but ml suspects it. 

 

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Im not sure yet maybe GTY family just did something really wrong and deserved punishment. If QH is going after GTY family out of jealously etc.. then he truly lost it. If he is part of the reason GTY fall's i hope when GTY rises again he gets the death penalty. 

 

I was hoping we would not see much of QH again i really dislike the character now. Hes never done anything good in this show and if he was ugly no-one would care for him at all. 

 

1 hour ago, leeza77 said:
For web counts exceed 6 billion as today. (now only tencent still count the clicks) 
Tonight tv- wild list rating
[Mickey than heart][Mickey than heart]
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three-day rating on weekends.
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What show is at 3% and 20% share?? 

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11 minutes ago, heatherbee said:

Wow..thats so sweet indeed:love: a picture of a happy family...:blush:

Love the natural interaction between them. The way she keep on wiping non existence water in his ear and the way he was sulking because the wife didn't remember to sent him umbrella and he was drenched.. Ha ha

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4 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:
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Im not sure yet maybe GTY family just did something really wrong and deserved punishment. If QH is going after GTY family out of jealously etc.. then he truly lost it. If he is part of the reason GTY fall's i hope when GTY rises again he gets the death penalty. 

 

I was hoping we would not see much of QH again i really dislike the character now hes never done anything good in this show and if he was ugly no-one would care for him at all. 

 

 

What show is at 3% and 20% share?? 

That's is our the story of minglan. No. 1 rating. 3‰ is the rating of wild list. 20‰ is the market share. The show aired during the prime time earned more market share. Tomorrow the official rating will be announced. 

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15 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

Love the natural interaction between them. The way she keep on wiping non existence water in his ear and the way he was sulking because the wife didn't remember to sent him umbrella and he was drenched.. Ha ha

The romantic scenes between them are subtle, just a peck or twice on her lip, hugs, holding hands, occasional touching, make up session. They give us the warm feeling and happiness and i was floating in glee for them.. Ho ho

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4 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

The romantic scenes between them are subtle, just a peck or twice on her lip, hugs, holding hands, occasional touching, make up session. They give us the warm feeling and happiness and i was floating in glee for them.. Ho ho

Yes and it's totally them. Two persons that have been through a lot and are starting to be happy. So they are still cautious and sort of shy, but they are adorable. They enjoy each other company.

 

me too, I was smiling too

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19 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

The romantic scenes between them are subtle, just a peck or twice on her lip, hugs, holding hands, occasional touching, make up session. They give us the warm feeling and happiness and i was floating in glee for them.. Ho ho

So true, I dunno how many times I've replayed their sweet scenes...and Im here smiling all ears:love:..btw gty loves to kiss Ml in her earlobe ha:love:I've never been this happy b4...(last time Im like this is when I watch boss and me).

I just notice on the scene were they have a pecked kiss? Ml sound is diff..like she has a flu.

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1 hour ago, leeza77 said:

Ml has yet to trust gty fully. Still thinks that is the lord and she is not in equal footing with him. Gty heard her say so to xiatao. Feel frustrated. This is the seed if doubt the plant the discord in their relationship. Qh is only the trigger. Not the real reason. 

 

Oh man that has got to hurt him. Hearing ML say that his loving and caring might fade away as years pass. And so she won't allow herself to depend on him. Coz a wife always depending on her husband can become a burden for the husband. So ML does not expect any more from him. Expecting more will only lead to disappointment. And disappointment will turn into resentment and hatred with time.

I hope GTY realizes how much work he has to put in to earn her trust. Atleast overhearing all this, he will get an idea of how much damage has been done to ML's heart and mind by the men she trusted in her life. Her father being the biggest culprit, I think. Her mother lived and died unjustly.....and she saw her father do nothing and just carry on with life. 

I think there were some words in the trailer saying something about this. I don't know who says them...."In this life you can't depend on anyone.....Not your father, your brother, your husband or your son. Only person you can depend on is you, yourself".  

 

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3 hours ago, linhlinh111 said:

I think ML doesn't hate her father, bc he, after all, is her father who provided for her and raised her. He was biased but he fulfilled his responsibility as a father and he never tried to harm nor use her. She just doesn't like him nor care about him. She enacted a revenge plan with 2 main targets: 1. Linniang's downfall for murdering her mother. 2. Molan cuz she hit her and ML didn't want to marry Liang's son. For achieving this goal she risked the whole Sheng family's reputation and her own future. Sheng Hong was just a collateral damage, she didn't intentionally aim at him as a target, but she didn't try to protect him either cuz she didn't care.

 

SH is a selfish man, all he cares about is himself. He favoured Linniang wasn't all bc he loved her, but bc he was a shu son himself and was treated badly when he was a child. Besides, Linniang knew how to please a man while Daniang was proud and stubborn. SH doesn't truly love anyone, he only did what's best for his own interest (including the matter with ML's mother), so when Linniang started touching his benefit he let her go. He was enraged cuz all this time he thought Linniang loved him while in fact she was after his money and status, thus making him feel like a fool, hurting his man ego. Linniang was definitely not what mattered to him most (actually she didn't even matter that much) and if ML had accused him of her mother's death then his punishment wouldn't be that light. She just used SH to achieve her goal while teaching him a small lesson, that's all. 

 

I think the best word to describe ML's feeling towards her father is apathetic.

Well said. 

I don’t think that he only cared about himself... He is the head of the Sheng Family. He has a big responsibility in carrying the name and reputation of the Sheng household. He must put the families name first and foremost... He doesn’t make all decisions himself either. Every big decision he always consults granny. He never follows through a plan if granny doesn’t approve... Most importantly he is a clean minister. That alone already shows that he is an upright man and not greedy. Otherwise he would use his kids like pawns to gain personal merits to achieve higher position in the palace. If he falls the whole family will fall, if anyone in the family shames their name it’s not just him that is affected it is all the family. A great example of someone who is selfish and greedy is Molan and her mother. 

 

I agree that she doesn’t hate her father. Hate is a strong word and I just don’t believe she loathes him enough. After all if she did she wouldn’t feel a bit disappointed during the time Momo Kang was at their house and SH told ML to inform him if she suffers from unfairness again, but only to be swept off immediately after the commotion with Big Madam and Concubine Lin. ML being apathetic towards her father is not caused by hate but overtime being let down and trying to survive the manor she had grown accustomed to not hope for SH’s attention/affection. As long as she can live safely and well is all she wants.  

 

I love the part, athough ML denies it, GTY discribed her true feelings in the Sheng Household really well. She is aggrieved. 

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2 minutes ago, dito said:

 

Oh man that has got to hurt him. Hearing ML say that his loving and caring might fade away as years pass. And so she won't allow herself to depend on him. Coz a wife always depending on her husband can become a burden for the husband. So ML does not expect any more from him. Expecting more will only lead to disappointment. And disappointment will turn into resentment and hatred with time.

I hope GTY realizes how much work he has to put in to earn her trust. Atleast overhearing all this, he will get an idea of how much damage has been done to ML's heart and mind by the men she trusted in her life. Her father being the biggest culprit, I think. Her mother lived and died unjustly.....and she saw her father do nothing and just carry on with life. 

I think there were some words in the trailer saying something about this. I don't know who says them...."In this life you can't depend on anyone.....Not your father, your brother, your husband or your son. Only person you can depend on is you, yourself".  

So sad.. ML's childhood trauma on unloving husband affects her a lot than she knows.. To ML, it's just the way of life but truly we know she is still affected by what happened in her life and she is a little bit scared.. I hope GTY makes her realize a love that seeks nothing in return.. 

 

But then I might stop watching till ep 50 after I know what QH has done, because I will be too disappointed waiting for how he gets paid for any evil he might be planning.. ML suspecting him shows she is someone that doesn't really trust anybody as her grandmother have thought her that people changes overtime.. And GTY thinking it might not be true shows he is still too soft about humanfolks.. And ML is more about reality than him.. To GTY, QH is someone that is too pure to think about revenge or anything bad but to ML, he is also a human that can do anything bad anytime to gain things for himself.. She is the one that truly knows what life is.. And I think the only one that can actually catch GTY off guard is QH because he definitely doesn't see him as bad and doesn't guard against him.. ML let the work begin.. So maybe after ep 43,.i will wait for ep 50 to catch up. But I will still come here for written updates 

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13 minutes ago, cherubstomato said:

Well said. 

I don’t think that he only cared about himself... He is the head of the Sheng Family. He has a big responsibility in carrying the name and reputation of the Sheng household. He must put the families name first and foremost... He doesn’t make all decisions himself either. Every big decision he always consults granny. He never follows through a plan if granny doesn’t approve... Most importantly he is a clean minister. That alone already shows that he is an upright man and not greedy. Otherwise he would use his kids like pawns to gain personal merits to achieve higher position in the palace. If he falls the whole family will fall, if anyone in the family shames their name it’s not just him that is affected it is all the family. A great example of someone who is selfish and greedy is Molan and her mother. 

 

I agree that she doesn’t hate her father. Hate is a strong word and I just don’t believe she loathes him enough. After all if she did she wouldn’t feel a bit disappointed during the time Momo Kang was at their house and SH told ML to inform him if she suffers from unfairness again, but only to be swept off immediately after the commotion with Big Madam and Concubine Lin. ML being apathetic towards her father is not caused by hate but overtime being let down and trying to survive the manor she had grown accustomed to not hope for SH’s attention/affection. As long as she can live safely and well is all she wants.  

 

I love the part, athough ML denies it, GTY discribed her true feelings in the Sheng Household really well. She is aggrieved. 

 

SH and upright in the same sentence.. ima totally disagree hes a upright man in terms of government and being a minster but as a father and husband he is a horrible man. He suggested to use ML over and over again.. 

 

I wish QH was just cut out of the drama when GTY and ML got married his scene's just anger me now. 

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2 hours ago, mooose said:

1. Wanting to be the main wife of a guy from a noble house in line for a title with her status. Even if he loved her to bits, the dude would have been disowned and forget about a career of any kind.  Messing with his marriage proposals and his family, she doesnt realise the harm she causes him and by extesion herself (the Gus' had resolved to kill her and the kids at some point). Smart would have been taking concubine status and milking it like Lin.

 

2. She found his property deeds, knew he was rich and still pawned them cos he was not gonna find out?

 

3. Ran off with his son denying the son status, education and entry into genealogy records. So the son has absolutely no legal claim. GTY never asked the question (bless him) 'are they really my children?' after the so called brother was alive, but it must have crossed his mind and he wouldn't be in a rush to leave anything for this son. She twisted the knife emotionally but for financial gain, it was always a losing strategy. 

Well said, Manniang is stupid or ignorant of the ways of their world of their time. She thought that she can use emotional blackmail and now relationship son/father blackmail. She destroyed her son basically. It was all her greed and never realized the jewel she had in her hands that is why she lost it. Yep, stupid and ignorant. 

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7 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

SH and upright in the same sentence.. ima totally disagree hes a upright man in terms of government and being a minster but as a father and husband he is a horrible man. He suggested to use ML over and over again.. 

 

 

He is absolutely not perfect. But he is honest and does the best he can as a husband and father. With a big responsibility on his shoulders and a big household, he can’t please everyone. Although he had brought forth the idea of using ML before in two occasions, mind you not his idea he is just a messenger, he has always consulted with granny for the final say. And he has never followed through it if granny disapproves. That is the most important. 

Him not doting on ML is what she wanted anyways otherwise having a granny and a father that dotes on her both. Well, you already know.

 

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I am not sure she didn’t want her father care because at a certain point she said “the time I wanted a father are long gone” or smthg and then she expected more after CL’s reveal. When she was a child she craved for him.

I guess she learned not to expect anything or care about his affection. But this has influenced her perspective as we can see. She didn’t trust gty or his affection completely.

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2 hours ago, Lunkera said:

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Yeah, i meant QH. Also him sowing discord in GTY and ML marriage by approaching her according to the trailers for the drama before it started. But it will just make ML realize what a disappointment he actually is and regret falling in love with him and bring ML & GTY closer.

 

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People will say QH's actions are out of character but based on the drama his character is totally in character. He never listens or thinks about anything and hes immature its not surprising he turns vengeful. I said this pages back this is where i think QH's character will go.

 

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20 minutes ago, cherubstomato said:

 

 

He is absolutely not perfect. But he is honest and does the best he can as a husband and father. With a big responsibility on his shoulders and a big household, he can’t please everyone. Although he had brought forth the idea of using ML before in two occasions, mind you not his idea he is just a messenger, he has always consulted with granny for the final say. And he has never followed through it if granny disapproves. That is the most important. 

Him not doting on ML is what she wanted anyways otherwise having a granny and a father that dotes on her both. Well, you already know.

 

 

Lets agree to disagree i find him weak and pathetic and he never cared about ML at all. I dont think he did the best he could as husband towards big madam where he mistreated her for year's in favour of concubines and he just straight up never cared for ML. I think ML did want a father he was just not a father toward's her so she learnt to deal with it and made the gap bigger. Someone who cares about the reputation over his own children is just not a good man, the fact he brought up ML twice shows it if the grandma agree's then he just gives ML away like shes nothing.

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