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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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On 1/18/2019 at 11:04 AM, gleek49 said:

 

This plan IS about him getting her. But it doesn't mean that he didn't put her first. He put her first when he offer to help QH, he made it clear that he liked her at this point, but because he knew she liked QH, so he was willing to give her up. He put her first time and time again when he tried to protect her reputation, never asked anything back from her even though he's the one who saved her all the time. He even waits until he's accomplished and successful and worthy enough to ask for her hand. Almost everything he does is for her best interest, so what if he did this one thing for himself?  

 

Also, I trust his character, (1) if he can't get her to agree to marry him before the wedding, he will not force her. And (2) as we all know very well, he's one of the rare people in the world who truly get her, I think he's aware of that and thus, he sees himself as the best choice for her. So this scheme of "having to get her", can be seen as his own way of offering her the most suitable husband, hence, putting her first. ( The way I worded this may make it sounds like he's too full of himself, but I think we all know that's he not that kind of person.)

Well said @gleek49... I am person who love a flawed character. Flawed character like GTY. I was never a fan of QH but ML did want to be with him so I tried to find traits that would attract her to him. 

I just finished watching episode 36-40 with subs. I had to take my time to watch these episodes because I am having difficulty putting a name to a face to most of the characters in the drama.  

Who is Daniang???? While reading the  post here someone mentioned Daniang was being poisoned. I am wondering who is that person so I tried to find out who that was. I had no luck finding who that person is.  

 OMG!!!! GTY sure is a fine specimen, he is so romantic and damn!!! He was dying to kiss Ming Lan.  I believe he worked really hard to get his woman.  I swear he fell more in love with Ming Lan when she said children whether legitimate or illegitimate still BELONG TO THE PARENTS. His oath to be honest and a good husband was so touching. I believe he will never betray his vows. He is a man of his word. I love how he told her he truly has no allies in truth. He can’t really trust anyone in his family.  OmG!!!!!!! GTY is a very rich man , seems most of his other assets are in the hand of his family members. 

 

Another shock for me is that GTY’s brother knows his aunts is after his title for her son. But I wonder if he knows that his aunt killed his father or lied about his father’s last words on his death bed. I wonder if his brother regrets they way he treated his brother all these years. At the wedding it seems that GTY ‘s isn’t as hostile as he once was before he came back. 

Can someone tell me why does GTY’s eldest sister in law care if GTY wants his title or not when she has no kids from her marriage???  Will GTY and his brother ever reconcile????? :tears::tears:

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21 minutes ago, minglan1 said:

 

@ForgottenSoulx I hope SH gets an earful from someone for always being harsh and without consistent care for his own daughter ML .She has always been a help to him which he chooses to conviniently forget.

He also needs to kneel down in his ancestral hall and reflect how he messed up his household's power balance and caused misery to his own children.:D

I think that’s why he carried out CL’s beating in the ancestor hall while he kneeled in front of all the tablets. It was both their penance for the shame brought on by Molan.  

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5 hours ago, m0us3y said:
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Her true characters showed after marriage. The Director also said that audiences will meet ne ml after marriage. 

 

I'm scared now....lol. 

Domineering...arrogant. 

Cuz even after marriage, the conversation with GTY bout her understanding fair treatment to all due to their fate...arrogance doesn't come to mind...will need to watch and see...

@m0us3y  I don't think it will be she changed so much as arrogant and doomineering,, ML isn't going to take crapolla from the GU's.. She has to let evil step mom know right off the bat she's not one to be fuk with.. Any sign of weakness they would run all over her if she let's them.. The Gu household isn't a household to act timid in if sshe becomes arrogant and domineering she will need to be that way with them..

 

5 hours ago, m0us3y said:

Hahahaha. U may be right. Just that up to date, we can see GTY is the one who bamboozled his way to success while ML gets rid of things and people quietly, without them even realising she was behind it. I don't think Molan knows ML has a hand in her mom's death. And her current predicament...? 

Even if she did know so what it's eye for and eye.. ML lived without her mother since she was 8 now it's her turn.. It would have been nice to see the look on Molan Mom face seeing how grand ML wedding was.. Her current predicament is the hell she choose for herself ML didn't pudh her into it..She did that herself..

 

4 hours ago, m0us3y said:

Lol. If that's the case, its consistent with her character. 

She's stubborn and determined, but domineering is a whole different level. That's her being a bully, intimidating, overbearing. :wacko:

 

She has to be this way to survive.. ML learn that early on from the Sheng household.. It's the only way she knows how.. This is another reason GTY choose her.. He knows she worse then he'll ever be.. Which made me stop and think.. GTY told ML that he was to lazy to fight for his assets from evil step mom.. I'm wondering at some point will ML go after it for her own sons..  

 

Back to the wedding scene.. Those friends of his had me cracking up.  One said I never been to a wedding where the bride and groom are bowing to two tablets nd one of the alive parents are sitting there..:w00t:  .The evil witch lost face on so many different levels..  She had to sit there through all of that.. SMH. 

GTY is trully messey he told his brother to have a drink with him when he knew he couldn't drink..:w00t: He really rubbed salt in all there wounds on his wedding day..

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2 hours ago, matrim said:

BTW, I'd like to see Shu- used in discussion of concubine born children instead of illegitimate. The latter might cause misunderstanding, as it has a connotation that the child is the result of a love affair outside marriage. In fact both concubines and their children are legitimate member of the family, albeit of inferior status. When there's no Di-son in the family, Shu-son can even become the heir. The best example is Sheng Hong, concubine born son, now head of the Sheng family.  

 

I also get confused when the terms get mixed up. The only illegitimate child child is GTY's son who was born to an outside mistress (MN). Manniang has got to be one of the worst real mothers in dramaland.  She denies her son a good father, home and status. Forget about being a concubine or getting anymore money from GTY, I don't get why she would hold the son hostage when the game is lost.

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10 minutes ago, mooose said:

I also get confused when the terms get mixed up. The only illegitimate child child is GTY's son who was born to an outside mistress (MN). Manniang has got to be one of the worst real mothers in dramaland.  She denies her son a good father, home and status. Forget about being a concubine or getting anymore money from GTY, I don't get why she would hold the son hostage when the game is lost.

As a cunning and manipulative devil, Manniang Knew perfectly well that GTY's weakness was his devotion to loved ones, so she regarded their son as a kind weapon that could be used later against GTY or a bargain chip to earn her advantages. I think she must have nurtured hatred in her heart and was bidding her time to get revenge.

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32 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:

Another shock for me is that GTY’s brother knows his aunts is after his title for her son. But I wonder if he knows that his aunt killed his father or lied about his father’s last words on his death bed. I wonder if his brother regrets they way he treated his brother all these years. At the wedding it seems that GTY ‘s isn’t as hostile as he once was before he came back. 

Can someone tell me why does GTY’s eldest sister in law care if GTY wants his title or not when she has no kids from her marriage???  Will GTY and his brother ever reconcile????? :tears::tears:

 

Its the years of brainwashing by stepmom and it will take years to undo. The sister in-law is too brainwashed to think straight but the eldest brother now sees the truth that GTY doesn't really need them or that title really. He has a house, imperial favour, career, money and can even get married well without them. 

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6 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

@leeza77 I'm looking forward to that scene :D 

@Lunkera Me too , dying to see this scene also... :wub::lol:  

27 minutes ago, mooose said:

 

Its the years of brainwashing by stepmom and it will take years to undo. The sister in-law is too brainwashed to think straight but the eldest brother now sees the truth that GTY doesn't really need them or that title really. He has a house, imperial favour, career, money and can even get married well without them. 

@mooose... Isn't that sad though. I am glad that I am not seeing things. I feel so bad for GTY. He loved his family and just wanted to be accepted but it might be too late for them to bond. :tears::tears: I am big fan of family unity because then everyone will be happy and safe.... :D 

 

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50 minutes ago, sava2sava said:

@m0us3y  I don't think it will be she changed so much as arrogant and doomineering,, ML isn't going to take crapolla from the GU's.. She has to let evil step mom know right off the bat she's not one to be fuk with.. Any sign of weakness they would run all over her if she let's them.. The Gu household isn't a household to act timid in if sshe becomes arrogant and domineering she will need to be that way with them..

 

Even if she did know so what it's eye for and eye.. ML lived without her mother since she was 8 now it's her turn.. It would have been nice to see the look on Molan Mom face seeing how grand ML wedding was.. Her current predicament is the hell she choose for herself ML didn't pudh her into it..She did that herself..

 

She has to be this way to survive.. ML learn that early on from the Sheng household.. It's the only way she knows how.. This is another reason GTY choose her.. He knows she worse then he'll ever be.. Which made me stop and think.. GTY told ML that he was to lazy to fight for his assets from evil step mom.. I'm wondering at some point will ML go after it for her own sons..  

 

Back to the wedding scene.. Those friends of his had me cracking up.  One said I never been to a wedding where the bride and groom are bowing to two tablets nd one of the alive parents are sitting there..:w00t:  .The evil witch lost face on so many different levels..  She had to sit there through all of that.. SMH. 

GTY is trully messey he told his brother to have a drink with him when he knew he couldn't drink..:w00t: He really rubbed salt in all there wounds on his wedding day..

Ahhahaha. @leeza77 confirmed that I was being paranoid. 

ML is strong minded and strong willed. Add her intelligence,with and wisdom, she'll be able to handle everything that's thrown to her, without resorting to being a bully. 

Personally I thought being an arrogant bully doesn't jive with her personality. Because she's not the type that will step others because her status is now higher. 

She doesn't necessarily enjoy power and status itself imho.

 

But that doesn't translate to her getting bullied. She will stand for herself, and she will stand against those who are against the people she wants to protect. 

 

Also you misunderstood what I meant about ML's revenge. Not about whether or not Molan knows, but more of ML modus operandi. She's stealth, and she kills before the enemy even finds out that she's a threat. Hence Molan is still in the dark. She's a sniper. She walked the street like the sweetest cutest thing ever, and then she kills. :lol:

But it does seem like it's gonna be all out war with GTY's stepmom. 

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Im so off topic but i will never stop complaining about how short their kiss scences ( so far ) are. Hopefully we get a longer ones in later eps.

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8 hours ago, sava2sava said:

@dito  Hold up, Swooping my hair back.. Granny found SH another concubine.. Wasn;t there enough troubke in the Sheng household bbcecause of Lingnaning.. You mean to tell me his old swimmers still swimming.. I thought he would be dried up by now because of Molans mother.. SH only agreed because he wants some strange.. SMH :w00t:

 

So Aunt found out about the news and decided to put her hands in both cookies jars and came up short:w00t: Hilarious.. Don;t like the fact she tried to kill off Granny.. Also is this when ML send her back her girl, Because she would have became bold enough to kill off ML..

 

I can't wait to see what type of elaborate scheme she comes up with to get rid of the spies.. I wish she sale they spies off as slaves it would teach them a lesson.. I tell yo GTY pick a winner, He can go do whatever and never has to worry about home he knows she can handle it and what she can;t hell deal with it for her..

 

What was up with Evil step mom and the two uncle. ? 

 

Lol, Sorry if I didn't make sense. Kang Auntie wanted someone from her family to marry Changbai but granny already had a candidate for Chang bai's bride, Hai shi and his father approved of the match. Thats the girl he married to now. Da niang had to refuse her sister. So I thought maybe it was because of that Kang aunt want to make trouble for daniang or just plain jealousy for doing well, when her own life was mess.

And in the book Sheng Hong actually had 2 more concubines and another son changdong...which the drama completely erased....so his stuff is working just fine. :blush:

 

Yes GTY should be relieved his house is in good capable hands. I loved how he turned back when he saw his stepmom going to visit ML. Then he stood worrying what was being said while Shitou went to have a listen. When shitou told him Stepmom was gone, without making any trouble...GTY's expression made Shitou laugh so much. Shitou even told him you look like a mother hen wanting to protect her chick or something like that.

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I believe Ming Lan endeared Gu Ting Ye that his children will be like him because they are his. She promised that she will raised them without experiencing the pain and prejudices that they went through in their own childhood.

 

I loved it when Gu Ting Ye stayed back when his stepmother arrived. He thought his young wife will need his help but Sitou informed that his stepmother left without too much a fuss. Another proud moment for Gu Ting Ye that he indeed married well.

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2 hours ago, UnniSarah said:

Who is Daniang???? While reading the  post here someone mentioned Daniang was being poisoned. I am wondering who is that person so I tried to find out who that was. I had no luck finding who that person is.  

Sorry for cutting your post.

 

Da Niang is Rulans mom. Sheng Hong's wife. Thats the title of the main wife of the household.

Like ML is being addressed as Da niang now at her house.

Literal translation in english is 'Big Madam/Lady'.

When ML was little she called her mother 'Xiao Niang' - Little Madam.

Granny is called Lao taitai - Old Madam 

So when I wrote Daniang poisoned granny...it means Rulan's mom. 

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40 minutes ago, dito said:

Sorry for cutting your post.

 

Da Niang is Rulans mom. Sheng Hong's wife. Thats the title of the main wife of the household.

Like ML is being addressed as Da niang now at her house.

Literal translation in english is 'Big Madam/Lady'.

When ML was little she called her mother 'Xiao Niang' - Little Madam.

Granny is called Lao taitai - Old Madam 

So when I wrote Daniang poisoned granny...it means Rulan's mom. 

Thanks for the explanation chingu @dito.... OMG!!!! I didn’t know or think Rulan’s mom would do such a thing. It makes me wonder why would she do such a thing.  I knew she was greedy and power hungry but what does she expect from doing such a thing? Does she actually think no one would find out that she did it.  Smh smh smh  Old Mrs Sheng is such a nice lady , she never imposed he authority but she is Rulan’s mom is always begging her to help save her children when she has never truly shown Old Mrs Sheng the respect she deserved.  Smh smh smh 

 

GUESS WHO IS THIS???

 

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2 hours ago, sava2sava said:
2 hours ago, sava2sava said:

I don't think it will be she changed so much as arrogant and doomineering,, ML isn't going to take crapolla from the GU's.. She has to let evil step mom know right off the bat she's not one to be fuk with.. Any sign of weakness they would run all over her if she let's them.. The Gu household isn't a household to act timid in 

 

 

7 hours ago, m0us3y said:

Ahhhh. Just ML being ML then. 

Lol. Domineering by google's definition "assert one's will over another in an arrogant way". Bit more of a bully. 

Hence I asked. Thanks for clarifying! Now I'm looking forward to it! :lol:

I like that she outmaneuver and outwit the stepmom, but not to the extent of being arrogant. 

I agree, I don't know which scenes the word domineering is specifically used to describe ML but the word doomineering so far from what I have seen, does not describe her. Rather I find her as a woman grown up, mature, assertive, authoritative, self assured, smartly shrewd and as calculating as GTY. If in a specific scene, she asserts her rights to be or do what the moment requires for the good of others or even for herself as in a corrective or defensive action (in her perspective) of someone's wrong doing as in outwitting or outmaneuvering the stepmom who is trying to harm her, the word domineering does not apply at all. It is defense of self and loved ones and show of strength. Asserting her rights as the Big Madam and household manager is not domineering. It is her job. 

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On 1/20/2019 at 2:26 PM, mooose said:

 

CB is part of the priviledged di class and his thinking would be such. Just cos he and ML get along, doesn't mean he does not see her as inferior. Infact ML gets along with everyone in that house but to them she is still 'concubine born', even if she is now registered as di.

 

My interpretation of the dialogue is that CB assumed is was RL that GTY wanted because that is the right and correct daughter to want in this world and he was only  puzzled by the flowery phrases, that's why he didnt ask which one, to him ML was not in the running at all. To CB and Daniang, the proposal is RL's due as the legitimate daughter. Its only SH who wonders if its not ML that GTY was describing.  SH might have his biases, but not between shu and di ( he himself being originally shu).

 

To me CB's assumptions make complete sense if you consider their backgrounds. It only occurs to CB that he might have been wrong when SH brings it up, but now he can't go back and ask which one when DaNiang has snatched the proposalfor RL.

 

GTY knows how prejudices work and was able to play CB and the Shengs perfectly. 

I think CB genuinely care for Minglan as much as Rulan despite having different mother. When GTY said he's interested to marry one of the Sheng girls, CB asked him directly which one but GTY reply in general manner. CB told him clearly, ML's marriage matter is out of his parents hand, let alone his, but since GTY still ask for his help, he assumed it must be RL since he still cud convince his parents to accept GTY. GTY also gave vague abt wanting a di daughter as his wife, dunno if CB knew that ML has been registered under his mother's line or it might slip his mind abt it...of cos now we know GTY purposedly confused CB by implying RL when he truly wants ML...

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Last night games of households:

Ml v Auntie 1= Ml won

Ml v Kang Auntie=Ml won

Ml v Auntie 2=Ml won

Our general was excellent 

And tonight looking forward for another round of battle of spies and stepmom. Ha ha

 

 

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