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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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The trailer only covers up to before her marriage so there were not a lot of moments but I am still :wub: maybe bc I read the second half :tongue: 

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I find the attraction and the glances that ZYL's Qi Heng gave to ZLY's Minglan r so intense that it's giving me goosebumps :D, I am so anticipating it now..I know with over 70 episodes there r bound to be some 'drags' but I trust Daylight Ent. will at least make each episode interesting enough so as to have us looking forward to the next episode..

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On 4/26/2018 at 4:12 PM, jewelsc said:

I find the attraction and the glances that ZYL's Qi Heng gave to ZLY's Minglan r so intense that it's giving me goosebumps :D, I am so anticipating it now..I know with over 70 episodes there r bound to be some 'drags' but I trust Daylight Ent. will at least make each episode interesting enough so as to have us looking forward to the next episode..

dang 70 episode!!! well this gonna be the longest drama I'm watching!! Who know if Viki or dramafever will pick this up?

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8 hours ago, rosierosie said:

dang 70 episode!!! well this gonna be the longest drama I'm watching!! Who know if Viki or dramafever will pick this up?

Yes, as a matter of fact, i saw on wikipedia that it's 78 episodes but for ZLY, i don't mind atall :)..I've read somewhere that we can request to Viki and tbh, i think Viki will pick it up but just hope it won't be too 'delayed' showed by them.

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On 5/17/2018 at 10:33 PM, jewelsc said:

Yes, as a matter of fact, i saw on wikipedia that it's 78 episodes but for ZLY, i don't mind atall :)..I've read somewhere that we can request to Viki and tbh, i think Viki will pick it up but just hope it won't be too 'delayed' showed by them.

 

Same! I am thinking DF could pick it up too since historical cdramas do well in their website and they have a popular FSF drama. I am just waiting for SARFT to approve it. This year historical dramas have been like non-existent. 

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Will probably air in late November or early December. Hunan is about to air The Rise of the Phoenixes, which is their other historical drama with 70 episodes. Per SARFT TV stations can only air ~110 episodes of historical dramas per year so that leaves around ~40 episodes for MingLan. 

 

Everything says that it will air in the fourth quarter of the year. 

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On 3/13/2018 at 6:23 PM, Alila Nguyen said:

Yes, I do know she hurts herself, and I’m fine for her to have body double for kneeling scenes. However, it was actually sitting scene. And idc if she has 30 body doubles or 3, my point was the producer and herself should have come up with a smarter way to mask the fact that she needed body double. The scene I’m complained about was at least 5mins long, it does show her face, however, it also glaringly obvious that she used body double as well (I have explained how I spotted it). For that scene, all she needed was 3 shoots side way, show her face and her body with the support actor. That’s it. That’s what 3s?

 

did I say she can’t act? No, I’m saying my brain can’t stand being deceived poorly. I actually noticed it while watching, the article was much later on. And I know how much she’s loved and hated, and how she tend to be the victim of sabotage, however, with her star power, she needs to write better contract, negotiate better and be more assertive on certain scenes if her health not allow her so, and possibly, take a rest for her body to heal.

 

my reason for avoiding her series if this glaring body double issue keep popping up, is that she is now the actress for mass market (well always has been but got worse), her series cut corner and not high quality like that of Yang Mi or Hu Ge, and she keeps letting ppl has the reason to destroy her credibility. I’m welcome her to change my mind, and I thought it did with PA until the body double issue and how the story just drag out for the sake of dragging out, and how her fame is being used to push other support actors to stardom -.-

 

anyway, I voiced my opinion, and I’m on the land of the fan :) so I understand the disagreement and the hates, that’s just my opinion, you can take it or ignore it :) I’m done here. Will check out the series when it’s out :) if it’s good, I’m sure I’ll stick with it, even though I’m not a fan of the styling (the period setting time, not whether the design for style is pretty or not)

 

I know this reply is long overdue....and nobody is talking about it anymore on this thread at least but I can't help but put my two cents in this. I'll just leave my opinion and move on. 

 

I understand why you would be avoiding her dramas for all the (dragging out and how her production is cutting corners and ruining dramas)....however it's unfair to just point fingers at her dramas only. A lot of mainstream (popular, high marketing and such) dramas suffer from the same problems...the problem of the production company's greed along side incompetence. 

How is it her fault that those people "use" her fame to boost their drama or supporting actors and such? Should she just not accept any dramas? You can tell her to be careful but the film/tv production is an ongoing and changing process. Princess Agent...the original story is really good so ZLY and LGX and even Shawn Duo signs up for it because of what...a good premise. Most actors aren't given the whole script until they sign the contract and in tv production land...some time even the writer or director don't even know the whole script because there are times, scripts are only pre-written to certain episodes and continue writing based on the reactions of the audience or the change in direction of the show. So again how is it Zhao Li Ying's fault that the writer and production decide to "extend" and "drag" out the drama due to the increasing popularity of the supporting actors like Shawn or the princess and their greed for maybe a sequel? Zhao Li Ying probably doesn't know that they will do that. If anything she and the main actors are victims in this.

So I think it's just unfair to blame her or any of actor for something the production company screw up. If anything, I would be wary of any new drama that PRODUCTION COMPANY or WRITER(S) put out, not new dramas that actors like ZLY put out. Each drama is produce by different company. 

 

Also not all of Yang Mi or Hu Ge's drama is "high quality"....I have seen some bad ones so again don't use actor's name in affiliation with the quality of the drama because they got nothing to do with it's quality and production value. 

 

This drama, Story of Minglan is made and produce by Daylight, the same company that made the epic drama Nirvana in Fire and so far by what I know and see, Daylight have a very high production value and actually "care" about the quality of their story and drama. They made Nirvana in Fire so beautifully with every bit of detail and stay true to the original source with it's poetic feel. I wouldn't think they would do any different in Minglan. I don't think they would act like those other production company and take shortcuts or drag it out. 

 

As for the topic about the body double, 

Again why are you blaming ZLY for the CREW and EDITOR's fault for not being able to conceal the use of body doubles? 

I work in this industry (not the chinese one, but in the US) and even though the process is not exactly the same but it's very similar. It takes a lot of roles to film something, just the look of one scene requires the contribution of many departments like art, cinematography, lighting, special effects and etc. Each department have their own sub units and roles to create and maintain the look of the scene/drama. So why is it ZLY fault when the art department fail to create and maintain a double that could stand in for ZLY? Why is it ZLY fault that the Director of Photography and camera crew fail to shoot it without revealing the double's face. Why is it ZLY's fault when the script supervisor fail to catch it and keeps up with the continuity. Why is it ZLY's fault when the editor either didn't see it or turns a blind eye to the obvious mistake and didn't do anything to fix it. Why is ZLY's fault when the director and produce fail to review it and throw it out there to the public anyway. 

 

On the number of body doubles...I think 30 is very exaggerating...the crew already had a handful MANAGING all the original casts alone to have to manage 30 more? That number is quite high and costly. This is the company that like to take shortcuts...I don't think they would give that much effort. Also how did you know that it's Zhao Li Ying's decision to use body double? There are many reason to use a stunt double and a lot of time it's not up to the actor. They can request it and received but you make it sound like ZLY is "spoiled" and demand such.

 

1. Sometimes it's the producer or director decision to use body double to either film an action scene faster rather than having to "train" or spend time getting the actor to do such action, especially complicated ones. So it's much faster to have someone else that know the stunt better do it if the face is not shown. So why is it her fault if it's what the director decide to do? 

 

2. There are also schedule conflicts and what if it's the crew incompetence to schedule the shoot correctly and fail to have ZLY on set for a scene that can only be film that day and they don't have the time to film the whole scene when ZLY is on set again. So the DIRECTOR and CREW solves that problem with using doubles to film all the scene that ZLY face isn't needed and finish up the rest when ZLY is on set. So why is it ZLY's fault when the CREW decides to use doubles to fix their failures or to speed things up? 

 

3. Zhao Li Ying is one of the highest paid actress in Chinese Market right now so it must be pretty COSTLY for her time. Have you ever thought that the already proven money driven production company cheap out and only sign for Zhao Li Ying with a limited number of days or time she is needed to be on set? And because the cheap out...they have to find solutions to solve the problem like resorting to using doubles (who are probably cheaper to hire) to film most of the scenes ZLY's face is not needed.

 

If you have problems with her acting or how she acts or her actions and such. That's more of a valid reason.

But to blame her or any actors/actress on how the drama turns out and with the reason that it's clearly not even in her control to begin with is just unfair and plain stupid.

 

I feel bad for her because so many haters just find any reason to talk bad about her whether those rumors are true or not. 

I'm just gonna leave this right here, if anyone reply on the topic I will reply to it. If not we can move on. 

We will have to wait and see how the drama turns out when it get released but I hope they are taking a long time because Daylight is making an effort to "perfect" it before releasing it. If so, I don't mind waiting. I rather wait and watch a good drama than watching something made very sloppily. 

 

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I thought we see quite a lot of Zhao Li Ying in the longer trailer dated Apri 2018. I think her voice isn't dubbed. And her words (like a prayer) starting from 2:40 about hopes for her upcoming marriage...sounds calm and stable in tone, but contain some feelings.

 

 

Now besides her, i can look forward to Zhu Yi Long (2nd male lead), impressed by him in the recent Guardian drama. At 2min onwards...can see his char is probably a complicated and tormented one.

 

Btw suggest change the chinese title to "知否知否应是绿肥红瘦" which is the official name. 

 

The phrase comes from an old poem Ru Meng Ling 如梦令 (Dream-like phrases) by Li Qingzhao 李清照 , a famous female poet in Song Dynasty....rare for a female. Loosely translated, " I wonder, I wonder, Should be Green, Fat, Red, Slim"....it's part of the poem where the poet wonder if near end of spring season, the leaves would still be plentiful and green....and if the red flowers has become lesser. A deeper meaning would be a slight sadness that the spring would be over...and some things (in life) would be over too.

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On 8/10/2018 at 5:59 PM, litopanda said:

 

I know this reply is long overdue....and nobody is talking about it anymore on this thread at least but I can't help but put my two cents in this. I'll just leave my opinion and move on. 

 

I understand why you would be avoiding her dramas for all the (dragging out and how her production is cutting corners and ruining dramas)....however it's unfair to just point fingers at her dramas only. A lot of mainstream (popular, high marketing and such) dramas suffer from the same problems...the problem of the production company's greed along side incompetence. 

How is it her fault that those people "use" her fame to boost their drama or supporting actors and such? Should she just not accept any dramas? You can tell her to be careful but the film/tv production is an ongoing and changing process. Princess Agent...the original story is really good so ZLY and LGX and even Shawn Duo signs up for it because of what...a good premise. Most actors aren't given the whole script until they sign the contract and in tv production land...some time even the writer or director don't even know the whole script because there are times, scripts are only pre-written to certain episodes and continue writing based on the reactions of the audience or the change in direction of the show. So again how is it Zhao Li Ying's fault that the writer and production decide to "extend" and "drag" out the drama due to the increasing popularity of the supporting actors like Shawn or the princess and their greed for maybe a sequel? Zhao Li Ying probably doesn't know that they will do that. If anything she and the main actors are victims in this.

So I think it's just unfair to blame her or any of actor for something the production company screw up. If anything, I would be wary of any new drama that PRODUCTION COMPANY or WRITER(S) put out, not new dramas that actors like ZLY put out. Each drama is produce by different company. 

 

Also not all of Yang Mi or Hu Ge's drama is "high quality"....I have seen some bad ones so again don't use actor's name in affiliation with the quality of the drama because they got nothing to do with it's quality and production value. 

 

This drama, Story of Minglan is made and produce by Daylight, the same company that made the epic drama Nirvana in Fire and so far by what I know and see, Daylight have a very high production value and actually "care" about the quality of their story and drama. They made Nirvana in Fire so beautifully with every bit of detail and stay true to the original source with it's poetic feel. I wouldn't think they would do any different in Minglan. I don't think they would act like those other production company and take shortcuts or drag it out. 

 

As for the topic about the body double, 

Again why are you blaming ZLY for the CREW and EDITOR's fault for not being able to conceal the use of body doubles? 

I work in this industry (not the chinese one, but in the US) and even though the process is not exactly the same but it's very similar. It takes a lot of roles to film something, just the look of one scene requires the contribution of many departments like art, cinematography, lighting, special effects and etc. Each department have their own sub units and roles to create and maintain the look of the scene/drama. So why is it ZLY fault when the art department fail to create and maintain a double that could stand in for ZLY? Why is it ZLY fault that the Director of Photography and camera crew fail to shoot it without revealing the double's face. Why is it ZLY's fault when the script supervisor fail to catch it and keeps up with the continuity. Why is it ZLY's fault when the editor either didn't see it or turns a blind eye to the obvious mistake and didn't do anything to fix it. Why is ZLY's fault when the director and produce fail to review it and throw it out there to the public anyway. 

 

On the number of body doubles...I think 30 is very exaggerating...the crew already had a handful MANAGING all the original casts alone to have to manage 30 more? That number is quite high and costly. This is the company that like to take shortcuts...I don't think they would give that much effort. Also how did you know that it's Zhao Li Ying's decision to use body double? There are many reason to use a stunt double and a lot of time it's not up to the actor. They can request it and received but you make it sound like ZLY is "spoiled" and demand such.

 

1. Sometimes it's the producer or director decision to use body double to either film an action scene faster rather than having to "train" or spend time getting the actor to do such action, especially complicated ones. So it's much faster to have someone else that know the stunt better do it if the face is not shown. So why is it her fault if it's what the director decide to do? 

 

2. There are also schedule conflicts and what if it's the crew incompetence to schedule the shoot correctly and fail to have ZLY on set for a scene that can only be film that day and they don't have the time to film the whole scene when ZLY is on set again. So the DIRECTOR and CREW solves that problem with using doubles to film all the scene that ZLY face isn't needed and finish up the rest when ZLY is on set. So why is it ZLY's fault when the CREW decides to use doubles to fix their failures or to speed things up? 

 

3. Zhao Li Ying is one of the highest paid actress in Chinese Market right now so it must be pretty COSTLY for her time. Have you ever thought that the already proven money driven production company cheap out and only sign for Zhao Li Ying with a limited number of days or time she is needed to be on set? And because the cheap out...they have to find solutions to solve the problem like resorting to using doubles (who are probably cheaper to hire) to film most of the scenes ZLY's face is not needed.

 

If you have problems with her acting or how she acts or her actions and such. That's more of a valid reason.

But to blame her or any actors/actress on how the drama turns out and with the reason that it's clearly not even in her control to begin with is just unfair and plain stupid.

 

I feel bad for her because so many haters just find any reason to talk bad about her whether those rumors are true or not. 

I'm just gonna leave this right here, if anyone reply on the topic I will reply to it. If not we can move on. 

We will have to wait and see how the drama turns out when it get released but I hope they are taking a long time because Daylight is making an effort to "perfect" it before releasing it. If so, I don't mind waiting. I rather wait and watch a good drama than watching something made very sloppily. 

 

:)

 

 

 

I hear what you are saying, but my post is about how she left a bad taste in my mouth as a figure of speech. Yang Mi also has body double scandal, and what did she do? She actually took control of the press and said it was used for testing the lighting, the composition of the screen. Is yang mi better at sugarcoating the audience? Yes, definitely. My point is that atm, ZLY is not handle the press well. The fans are making up scenarios for her, valid scenarios, but you guys are not her. She needs to speak for herself. And so it leaves a bad taste in my mouth so to speak. Can’t I voice my disappointment? I knew it’s not exactly her fault (but atm she’s like the embodiment of the body double abuse issue). I also recently learnt she did fought hard for princess agent’s script. And my thought of her improved. At any time, people allows to make judgements, and certain ways of handles from the artist will improve people’s judgements on them. 

 

About the body double issue, again, as much as I know it’s gossip, but she hasn’t really made me trust her so to speak, but again, newspaper has been running she used body double for even an advertisement! (Reinforcing the embodiment of body double abuse issue here) She might go: I’m innocent, no need to speak up, but sometimes handle the press is what gain credibility. Look at FBB, I don’t like her, but that woman handles the press very well. So as much as I dodged her drama, I have no problem with her fame. 

 

And i I have no problem with ZLY if she is indeed pregnant with FSF, good for them. (Though I do find that split photo is just terrible, how is that prove she’s not pregnant???) And again, just voicing my disappointment, and to emphasise this again: I’m willing to give her a chance to prove me wrong, have I say I won’t check this drama out? No. Even though, I’m not a fan of her hair do, the fringe one (I think it makes her look so much older, but it seems everyone happy with it, so it’s probably just me), or FSF’s look lol, and it seems too long for my liking, but I will give it a few episodes.

 

also another reason why I might dodge her drama in the future is because she (might) become the embodiment of actress whose drama is long and draggy, and low quality (I don’t watch all Yang Mi’s series either, because she has some drama where the premises is just not interested to my taste? And again, she has the same problem as ZLY - draggy drama) AND this is not an absolute, you guys treat it as an absolute lol, I base my viewing on trailers, if the trailer looks solid and interesting, I will still watch it even if I don’t like the main actors/actress, or is that not a thing?

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@Alila Nguyen

I dont like responding to posts like yours because it is pointless. People will think whatever they want. 

However, I am afraid this thread is going to turn into just rants about non issues that have nothing to do with the drama. To each their own. If you like the actors good if you dont good. It is up to you if you watch a drama or not after all you will be the one using your time to see it. Whatever your reasons they are up to you.

 

@litopanda people are going to think what they want, no need to change their mind :D

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On 8/11/2018 at 2:24 AM, Cedric Ong said:

I thought we see quite a lot of Zhao Li Ying in the longer trailer dated Apri 2018. I think her voice isn't dubbed. And her words (like a prayer) starting from 2:40 about hopes for her upcoming marriage...sounds calm and stable in tone, but contain some feelings.

 

 

Now besides her, i can look forward to Zhu Yi Long (2nd male lead), impressed by him in the recent Guardian drama. At 2min onwards...can see his char is probably a complicated and tormented one.

 

Btw suggest change the chinese title to "知否知否应是绿肥红瘦" which is the official name. 

 

The phrase comes from an old poem Ru Meng Ling 如梦令 (Dream-like phrases) by Li Qingzhao 李清照 , a famous female poet in Song Dynasty....rare for a female. Loosely translated, " I wonder, I wonder, Should be Green, Fat, Red, Slim"....it's part of the poem where the poet wonder if near end of spring season, the leaves would still be plentiful and green....and if the red flowers has become lesser. A deeper meaning would be a slight sadness that the spring would be over...and some things (in life) would be over too.

 

Yes, I was just thinking about Zhu Yi Long and how he is much more popular now and Minglan will probably help cement his popularity. He is a good actor so I am glad he is getting some recognition. A lot of people like the 2nd lead better in the book so I expect that he will be a popular character.

 

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We still don't have an air date?? I'm excited to see how the plot will play out. Hopefully it is a decent paced and full os suspension. Pretty long episodes! I'm excited to see Yung Hong, I like him as 13 prince in BBJX.

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