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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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2 minutes ago, nichiwoohee said:

 

Not necessarily.. book gty bypassed being a gentleman and went straight to rascal on his wedding night :lol:

 

 

Yanxi was written by yuzheng right? Wont be surprised if he was “inspired” by to be aired minglan AND ruyi

Oh Yanxi was written by Zhou MO.. There might have been some inspirations too though.. Oh most couple in love just literally acts like this and if they are very smart, they scheme:joy: a lot 

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I am ready to jump back on this drama. I want to start at eps where xiau gong ye is no longer on this drama, which episode would this be? 

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2 minutes ago, nichiwoohee said:

 

Not necessarily.. book gty bypassed being a gentleman and went straight to rascal on his wedding night :lol:

 

 

Yanxi was written by yuzheng right? Wont be surprised if he was “inspired” by to be aired minglan AND ruyi

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They made quite a significant change to gty's characters. In the novel the encounters between gty and ml were not much. While in the drama, the have a lot of encounters before marriage. Gty in the novel was a hard and fierce man. Whilst in the drama, he was softer and sometimes playful. Ml also quite different in the novel. She was more timid in their wedding night whilst ml in the drama, eventhough she was shy, she seemed to give full cooperation. :wub:

 

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Just saw the subbed version of ep 39 & I am in love with GTY’s declaration/proposal. The way he knows her so well & that proposal...so sweet:wub:

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20 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

Oh Yanxi was written by Zhou MO.. There might have been some inspirations too though.. Oh most couple in love just literally acts like this and if they are very smart, they scheme:joy: a lot 

 

I havent seen yanxi yet, but I saw on the news that yuzheng started ranting again, even dragging zhou xun’s acting, to defend the main actress of yanxi

 

16 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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They made quite a significant change to gty's characters. In the novel the encounters between gty and ml were not much. While in the drama, the have a lot of encounters before marriage. Gty in the novel was a hard and fierce man. Whilst in the drama, he was softer and sometimes playful. Ml also quite different in the novel. She was more timid in their wedding night whilst ml in the drama, eventhough she was shy, she seemed to give full cooperation. :wub:

 

 

I like that they are more equal in the drama, but I do miss his more rugged self

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37 minutes ago, gibas231 said:

I am ready to jump back on this drama. I want to start at eps where xiau gong ye is no longer on this drama, which episode would this be? 

38th episode qh asked the mom to propose. After that no qh. 

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1 hour ago, leeza77 said:
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They made quite a significant change to gty's characters. In the novel the encounters between gty and ml were not much. While in the drama, the have a lot of encounters before marriage. Gty in the novel was a hard and fierce man. Whilst in the drama, he was softer and sometimes playful. Ml also quite different in the novel. She was more timid in their wedding night whilst ml in the drama, eventhough she was shy, she seemed to give full cooperation. :wub:

 

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I think maybe he is softer and playful in the drama because he didn’t live as harsh a life as in the novel before his military achievements? I read in the novel spoilers that he didn’t know about his Bai inheritance early on and when he left the Gu family, he would send most of the money he made to take care of the kids. Since he got the Bai inheritance in the drama, his life (even though he didn’t flaunt it) was a little easier whether he was with the Gu family or not so then his personality wouldn’t be as hard? I like the drama portrayal :) Harsh and fierce in battle, devious with scheming family members (stepmom), but soft and playful with ML and friends.

 

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2 minutes ago, hello210 said:
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I think maybe he is softer and playful in the drama because he didn’t live as harsh a life as in the drama before his military achievements? I read in the novel spoilers that he didn’t know about his Bai inheritance early on and when he left the Gu family, he would send most of the money he made to take care of the kids. Since he got the Bai inheritance in the drama, his life (even though he didn’t flaunt it) was a little easier whether he was with the Gu family or not so then his personality wouldn’t be as hard? I like the drama portrayal :) Harsh and fierce in battle, devious with scheming family members (stepmom), but soft and playful with ML and friends.

 

Yes, you nailed his characters perfectly and he was more affectionate towards his children in the drama. 

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Loved the interaction between ML and granny about GTY's confession too. 

ML calling GTY spider monster and berated him in front of granny about his elaborate scam, like a kid.

But when granny called him ruthless, ML then turned and defended him. 

:lol: lol. 

ML also defended him and vouched for his character when he wanted to marry YanRan, and then Rulan. 

It's very cute that she would defend him when others think ill of him, but it's acceptable when she talks bad about him. 

Feels a bit like she can insult him, but no one else can. :lol:

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First he tells CB to give him two days and also you don't know your sister at all just give me two days:w00t: Cb looking dumbfounded

Check out the conversation between GTy and ML before the polo match..

 

What Ronger written on the paper..

(Calvary Arrives / Sure Success)

(Speedy Success to your Endeavor)  

 

ML finds out GTY had the Empress to set up the Polo match

 

GTY and the Empress:

(GTY)Greetings, Your Highness Empress 

(Emp)Zonghuai aren;t you playing today?

Why aren't you in your playing clothes?

(GTY) Without a good price it's no fun to play.:lol: (ML in a no win situation)

(Emp) Yo you don't care about all those prizes.. ( The Emp is help setting up his marriage and ML don't even know it) Funny as hell..

(Emp) Do you want the stars in the sky or something?.:w00t:

(GTY) Your Highness I'll be getting married soon..I earnestly ask your highness to grant me something to add to my betrothal gifts.So I can give to my future wife to express how I treasure her..

(Emp) I don;t know which family lady has such good fortune of getting a husband like you ? (Even the Empress tewlling ML she's lucjky he wants her) This is the hairpin I used whewn I was crowned as Empress.. Considering how you risk you life for the Emperor to save him from danger.. I gift it to you then take itr and make it your betrothal gift..

(GTY) Thank you Your Highness.. 

(Emp) But you have to win the next game in order for it to be yours.. (ML GTY is showing you how hard he'll work for you)

(GTY) I will obey

 

ML and GTY

(GTY) I have something to tell you.

(ML) Second Uncle are you using your status and power to oppress me? LOL (She calls him second uncxle to irk him)LOL

(GTY)Don't worry I'm not a person to pester non stop. Today I want to tell you my sincere words.If you still don't agree. I won't pester you anymore.. Also didn't I tell you to stop calling me second uncle? :w00t: ( He's serious nut he hasn't forgot she called him second uncle)

(GTY) I want to know why you won;t marry me.?

I don't want to hear some highfalutin words. I want to hear the truth-_-

(ML) I fear I can;t become a good wife. I'm not virtuous nor gentle or submissive..(GTY not buying this he already know this)

I'm not well experienced.. (He knows you haven't been around the temple block like Molan)

I will bring you shame.

(GTY) That don't sound like the truth. (You Go Boy)

(ML) Your GU family has a complex member relationship and theres a lot of conflicts. (Spell it out for him)

(ML) I'm just a daughter of a small clan. And not well experienced.. I won't be able to handle such a huge clan.

(GTY) That sounded a bit true now. Don;t worry. After the our wedding we'll be living in another manor.

You don;t need to worry about those dirty and worrisome matters..

(ML) We can even live in separate manor?

(GTY) When the time comes if you want to live in the marquise manor,we will live there.If you want to live else where we'll stay else where.. (Wow not to many women in those days had t.he options to live whereever they like) Like the Empress said one lucky girl) 

(GTY) I dare not say how good it will be if you marrying me.. 

(GTY) I will not let you be aggrieved and keep things to yourself from now on.  

(ML) I was raised in a quite extravagant manner.. (SAYWHAT):w00t: (These two is just to cute)

(ML) When was I aggrieved?:w00t:

(ML) I also don't need anyone to act as some hero and save me from danger (OH REALLY):lol:

(GTY)Your are just eloquent Little LIar :thumbsup::)

(GTY) You've always kept your grievence to yourself, You've been suffering since you been born (So much for living extravagant)

(GTY) You can stand those etiquette about being legitimate and illegitimate child.. But you have no choice but to obey.. You clearly are good at everything, But you have to keep a low profile everytime, You dare not to cro up ( show off). 

(GTY) So you look for and ordinary family like the HE family..

(ML) Crop Up

(ML) Because I crop up and caused a lot of trouble. You personally saw it But what happen to me after?

(ML) I don't like sweing and I don't like embroidering

(ML) I have to pretend to ike everything I don't like.. (sounds of dreams of growing up being a tomboy martial arts the whole nine)

(ML) But what can I do I have to survive first. ( and she wonders why he wants to marry her)

(GTY) It's because you to sensible, Your snart and your thorough.. Your able to see everything clearly.

(GTY) You dare not go beyond the lighting pond by a step ( nknowing your bounds)

(GTY) But you can't totally resign to your plight.. You feel the injustice.. 

(GTY) You suffer and keep them to yourself.

(GTY) You pretend to be dumb and be in a daze. Always being very cautious.

(GTY) You fprced yourself to become flawless Sixth Miss of the Sheng family:rolleyes:

(GTY) I'm not willing to see you live the rest of your life like that.

(GTY) I dare not say marrying me wil give you a very good life. I can sware by the heavens one thing..

(GTY) That from now own whatever my rank is among men, That would be your rank among the women

(GTY) I longed admired you and willingly to marry you to be my wife, Entrust you my house for you to steward and entrust to you the propagation of my bloodline. ( Wow that's a helluva proposal what girl could say no to that) Spend the rest of my life with you.

 

Now everyine degraded GTY for leaving the family home setting up his own shop but look how it has paid off for the main wife he chooses..    The smooth cunning rascal. Go ahead stake your clainm

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7 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Loved the interaction between ML and granny about GTY's confession too. 

ML calling GTY spider monster and berated him in front of granny about his elaborate scam, like a kid.

But when granny called him ruthless, ML then turned and defended him. 

:lol: lol. 

ML also defended him and vouched for his character when he wanted to marry YanRan, and then Rulan. 

It's very cute that she would defend him when others think ill of him, but it's acceptable when she talks bad about him. 

Feels a bit like she can insult him, but no one else can. :lol:

Only to grandma.. She mustn't show her preference for gty to grandma blatantly.. Ranted some, defended some and praised some. 

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2 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

The white paper supposed to serve as his will, indicating who will be his beneficiary. Since he was still young with no children yet and there was no one he is close to, he did not know what name to write and had to leave it blank. However, declaring that he has inheritor, they cannot attempt on his life again but Bai family has been inquiring his beneficiary name so that they can kill that person => meaning if GTY died without any inheritor, they can claim all of his inheritance from his grandfather. If he has inheritor, even if he died, they cannot claim anything. So, they must kill beneficiary first before killing GTY again.

 

So did the grandfather actually choose GTY as the successor or not? did he steal it. 

 

 

56 minutes ago, nichiwoohee said:

 

I havent seen yanxi yet, but I saw on the news that yuzheng started ranting again, even dragging zhou xun’s acting, to defend the main actress of yanxi

 

 

I like that they are more equal in the drama, but I do miss his more rugged self

 

Yuzheng started ranting about what?? why was he ranting who towards ;p 

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12 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

So did the grandfather actually choose GTY as the successor or not? did he steal it. 

 

He didn’t steal it. Explained in ep 3 at grandfather’s funeral. His grandfather wrote him a letter about it, to go and inherit the business so the other relatives don’t screw it up and loose it. He’s the direct line and successor since it was his grandfather’s personal business. The white paper is GTY’s will. It was his way of preventing his maternal relatives from trying to kill him again.

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13 minutes ago, hello210 said:

He didn’t steal it. Explained in ep 3 at grandfather’s funeral. His grandfather wrote him a letter about it, to go and inherit the business so the other relatives don’t screw it up and loose it. He’s the direct line and successor since it was his grandfather’s personal business. The white paper is GTY’s will. It was his way of preventing his maternal relatives from trying to kill him again.

 

Ah i see i mistread my bad ;p 

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After watching the full confession by GTY subbed, I've gotta say I do admire him. Not for his elaborate scam, but for his understanding of ML and the extent he's willing to go for her...

 

Looking back now, it has always felt like he understands her very well because they shared similar fate, but clearly, he has also been paying much attention to her, and what she has to say. 

 

From their fateful meeting where she was saved by him from the river bandit, every word she said, he listened, and he acted. 

Everything she felt, her restrictions as illegitimate daughter, her injustice, her humiliation, he was determined to correct. 

 

I've suspected previously that he joined the army partially because she said to him that he should plan for Rong'er's future, and partially because of her. 

It seemed to me that he confirmed it during his meeting with QH, that in order to marry her, "I cut my way through thistles and thorns, charged into the front line, bled blood and risked my life before I was able to obtain this current fruit of my labour".. that he actually joined the army and rise up the ranks so that he can win ML over. 

When she said she admires him because he could live for himself, he became determined to let her live for herself too..

When she was heartbroken when QH broke it off, he encouraged her to look forward, and was determined that he will "take care" of those who talks behind her back. And he did. The very extensive betrothal gifts, and even when he goes out to buy her food on their wedding night, he had no qualms telling Shitou, and the world, that "What the wife wants, she gets". All to show that ML is worth that much..

 

GTY is truly a man that displays "Actions speak louder than words". 

 

 

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7 hours ago, cherubstomato said:

Whether he deliberately didnt spell it out still my point is that CB and his mother mistook it and he is not that manipulative. Manipulating to me is influencing/threatening someone to go your way. GTY and ML is more like setting a route for you to choose but the outcome of choices would still be the same because they know the person really well and make plans accordingly.... For one CB never asked him straight out so which sister it is? So I can tell my parents for sure who it is and not make a random guess.... I really had my head scratching that CB can’t tell it’s ML that he want to marry. After all ML is the only one remotely close to GTY amongst his sisters. Even the father thought the description is very much ML. Everything else how he found a way to escape that misinformation is out of my mind don’t want to question it just enjoy the show. Lol 

CB misinterpreting GTY's intention is too far-fetched and out of character. Even his father can sense the description fits ML more than RL. How can CB make such a blunt mistake? Unlike his vain and delusional mother, CB is sensible enough to make sound judgments about his sisters' characters. So why CB thinks it's RL whom GTY wants to marry when his friend says the "good-natured" one, is beyond me. Even if you say CB is playing dumb to help his best friend to marry ML, it doesn't feel right either. For one thing, CB doesn't know RL's relationship with Wen Yanjing, so what if RL accepts GTY? The switching of ML for RL arouses such chaos in the family and puts the reputation of two girls and the family at great risk, like ML later comments. Again, it's so out of character for CB, as he's filial and cautious. In either case, CB's behavior can't be explained away. 

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10 minutes ago, matrim said:

CB misinterpreting GTY's intention is too far-fetched and out of character. Even his father can sense the description fits ML more than RL. How can CB make such a blunt mistake? Unlike his vain and delusional mother, CB is sensible enough to make sound judgments about his sisters' characters. So why CB thinks it's RL whom GTY wants to marry when his friend says the "good-natured" one, is beyond me. Even if you say CB is playing dumb to help his best friend to marry ML, it doesn't feel right either. For one thing, CB doesn't know RL's relationship with Wen Yanjing, so what if RL accepts GTY? The switching of ML for RL arouses such chaos in the family and puts the reputation of two girls and the family at great risk, like ML later comments. Again, it's so out of character for CB, as he's filial and cautious. In either case, CB's behavior can't be explained away. 

 

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11 minutes ago, matrim said:

CB misinterpreting GTY's intention is too far-fetched and out of character. Even his father can sense the description fits ML more than RL. How can CB make such a blunt mistake? Unlike his vain and delusional mother, CB is sensible enough to make sound judgments about his sisters' characters. So why CB thinks it's RL whom GTY wants to marry when his friend says the "good-natured" one, is beyond me. Even if you say CB is playing dumb to help his best friend to marry ML, it doesn't feel right either. For one thing, CB doesn't know RL's relationship with Wen Yanjing, so what if RL accepts GTY? The switching of ML for RL arouses such chaos in the family and puts the reputation of two girls and the family at great risk, like ML later comments. Again, it's so out of character for CB, as he's filial and cautious. In either case, CB's behavior can't be explained away. 

Well bcoz before that cb did inform gty that ml was nearly bethrothed to dr he. So, his brain made the conclusion that as gty knew about the near bethrothal, there is no way he will be asking for ml. 

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34 minutes ago, matrim said:

CB misinterpreting GTY's intention is too far-fetched and out of character. Even his father can sense the description fits ML more than RL. How can CB make such a blunt mistake? Unlike his vain and delusional mother, CB is sensible enough to make sound judgments about his sisters' characters. So why CB thinks it's RL whom GTY wants to marry when his friend says the "good-natured" one, is beyond me. Even if you say CB is playing dumb to help his best friend to marry ML, it doesn't feel right either. For one thing, CB doesn't know RL's relationship with Wen Yanjing, so what if RL accepts GTY? The switching of ML for RL arouses such chaos in the family and puts the reputation of two girls and the family at great risk, like ML later comments. Again, it's so out of character for CB, as he's filial and cautious. In either case, CB's behavior can't be explained away. 

Partly the whole Doc He thing and I think part of it is also the same reason that everyone else assumed it would be Rulan. GTY said he will marry the di daughter. Even though CB likes ML, he’s still very proper in the order of things so unless GTY specified a name, he’ll go with the criteria. At that time, the public didn’t know of ML’s change in legitimacy in the family. Even though she was adopted under Daniang after their return from the hometown, the family members still referred to her as the illegitimate daughter until they got pushed into a corner and all of a sudden Daniang conveniently “remembers” ML qualifies as di and can substitute. But as GTY said, he calculated that their reactions would be this way.

 

 

 

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