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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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54 minutes ago, dashmount20 said:

It is seems like CB purposely told the parent that GTY want to marry RL instead of ML cos on ep 40 CB told GTY that ML look like soft but when she want something no one can change her mind.

 

Lol... GTY told CB to wait for 2 days to soft ML heart from anger... clap clap...

 

All it is part of scene of getting him marry successfully 

 

No, GTY also tricks CB making him think it was Rulan he wants to marry causing CB telling his parents. However, CB already found out the truth at the point of conversation towards the end of epi 40 since he told GTY that you better not trick me again and keep me in the dark like last time. CB was just reminding GTY not to trick and make ML angry more as he thinks ML will become more determined not to marry GTY if she gets angrier since she is very stubborn in her decisions.

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The scene in epi 40 where ML closed the door to her feelings for QH was beautifully done.She will move forward as she promised herself when she returned the dolls to GTY.The girl has strong resolve beneath her demure and sweet disposition.

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7 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

@tomo74 @gleek49 @m0us3y @hello210 @leeza77

After watching TV epi 40 and complete conversation of GTY and QH, QH did not tell GTY to give up ML because he thinks that GTY doesn’t deserve ML due to his past behavior. Yes, QH sort of implied that to Xiaotao when he said that he wants ML to have good marriage partner during his visit to ML’s house to meet grandma after conversation with GTY. QH didn’t realize that GTY has feelings for ML and planned to marry her till the end of conversation when GTY admitted it. In the beginning, he was trying to ask GTY to back off as he thought that GTY is just marrying ML because he was late in asking for Roulan and just to get married. Of course, he also thought that GTY wouldn’t aim for ML knowing their love history. QH also did not realize ML’s marriage prospect with Dr. He was also because he hid himself at home focusing on his study. 

GTY also lied to QH (1) not knowing QH’s plan to propose marriage to ML again (2) ML and grandma already agreed to his marriage proposal. Of course, He didn’t tell QH about his grand scheme involving RL and imperial couples. After meeting with ML at HL’s house, he asked Shitou whether the exam results came out today and that they should prepare to meet another person, indicating he already knew QH is going to come look for him. (I’m NOT saying GTY is evil for lying to QH as they’re love rival after all.) I’m just saying that he also calculated QH and basically prevented QH from having opportunity to propose again to ML though they’re friends. I’m just not fond of GTY’s attitude of blaming QH not accepting his help to fight off YW’s family power and pretending he was sincere in helping him to be with ML that time while he was already planning to marry ML since he rescued her from river bandits, way before QH’s family was threatened by Yong Wang. 

I do not think that QH was wrong in being angry at GTY or asking GTY to give up based on his knowledge of how GTY’s marriage proposal went for ML (being late for RL then went for ML).

I’m not commenting about things between QH and ML or whether QH deserves ML or whether ML should accept QH.

I’m just saying as friends, GTY was never honest or transparent of his feelings and plans to marry ML towards QH. 

 

I wouldn't tell anyone, not even my best friend about my plan to get someone he inece was in love with. Especially at thtime period where everything must be cautiously done so that you don't trample on the girl's reputation. For me QH has the right to get angry, GTY also has the right to not tell anyone of his feelings because he knows the consequences of his plan failing. As such, they both did not owe each other any explanation or any consideration. QH's story ended when he married, it might have been reopened if he successfully proposed to her again but all these didn't happen, so it was a fair win in love 

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@Golden Flower

Why does GTY need to be transparent with QH? They are not close friends like he is with CB. It’s been atleast a year since the whole QH & ML thing happened so why does QH need to be informed? Maybe it’s not wrong of him to ask GTY to give up based on his knowledge of the proposal but it’s very wrong of him to ask him to give up based on what he made ML go through! Or is it that he is so completely oblivious to what is being said about her because of him?

 

I can never defend QH but to each their own...

 

EDIT: GTY may have wanted to marry ML when he rescued her but he still would have helped her get married to QH then...

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Okay, could someone please point me in the direction of all the raw episodes?  If possible, links would be appreciated for episodes 39 and 40.  Thank you!

Edited by Renee Smit
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3 minutes ago, darkphoenix123 said:

@Golden Flower

Why does GTY need to be transparent with QH? They are not close friends like he is with CB. It’s been atleast a year since the whole QH & ML thing happened so why does QH need to be informed? Maybe it’s not wrong of him to ask GTY to give up based on his knowledge of the proposal but it’s very wrong of him to ask him to give up based on what he made ML go through! Or is it that he is so completely oblivious to what is being said about her because of him?

 

I can never defend QH but to each their own...

 

EDIT: GTY may have wanted to marry ML when he rescued her but he still would have helped her get married to QH then...

Well said. Agree with you. 

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The way he asked gty whether ml agree to marry gty was like he can't believe it. And that impliedly, gty was not good enough for ml. He never asked gty's real feeling for ml but made a presumption that gty did not love ml by saying "it's not that u you can't live without her' and gty replied'how do you know i can or can not". 

 

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Where gty explained to ml all his schemes and manipulation. Fsf said in his interview that all things must come clean in the marriage, to avoid any trouble. Cunning

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https://m.weibo.cn/p/index?containerid=231268d4939ecf7dc1a6fd4b17d8bf9fabc614&url_type=39&object_type=video&pos=1&luicode=10000011&lfid=100808eaeae8a326e03f146684f616d6db3ce7_-_feed&featurecode=10000326

He said that he can asleep the night CB told him about the near bethrothal to dr. He. He ordered shitou to take care of dr he problem. Shitou replied, we are going to war now, i had to guard you. But gty insisted i only trust you in this matter.. Wow 

 

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8 hours ago, RobinM said:

The blunt fact is: Grandma did a pretty poor job of raising Dad to be a strong and discerning man.She should have put as much care and wisdom into him as she has Ming Lan.

I think SH was raised by his mother and he only treats granny well because she protected him and his mother from the evil concubine. Granny also suffered miscarriage from an evil concubine. I believed it was expressed here pages back.... 

I also don’t feel sorry or pity for Molan. She is intelligent and driven but her ambition and everything she does is only so she can marry a rich man. She could care less about the teachings. She just wants to show off and have something to talk about with the rich. 

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3 hours ago, darkphoenix123 said:

@Golden Flower

Why does GTY need to be transparent with QH? They are not close friends like he is with CB. It’s been atleast a year since the whole QH & ML thing happened so why does QH need to be informed? Maybe it’s not wrong of him to ask GTY to give up based on his knowledge of the proposal but it’s very wrong of him to ask him to give up based on what he made ML go through! Or is it that he is so completely oblivious to what is being said about her because of him?

 

I can never defend QH but to each their own...

@Suzzy San 

Please read my comments carefully. I already mentioned that I’m not saying GTY was evil or he needs to be honest to QH since they’re love rivals. I also said that I’m not saying QH deserves ML. I’m also not defending QH. 

I just do not like the fact that GTY pretending and saying that he tried to help QH and ML to be together before which he was not sincere. I’m also pointing out the fact that he also calculated QH like he calculated Dr. He. His idea of kinapping princess would not help work if Yong Wang not Zhao Wang became emperor. I just think that he does not need to mention making himself magnanimous and blame QH for not taking his help when he was pressured by Yong Wang’s family. QH’s decision was right at that time given the circumstances his family faced. 

 

The truth is GTY even calculated new emperor. Zhao perfect was going to hide in the remote farm house after first assisination attack in the rice field. From the expression on GTY’s face, GTY either planned the second attack by alone assassin or he knew that that guy was assassin beforehand and could’ve prevented the attack. However, he let the assassin attack the Zhao Wang and only saved him at close knit point to freak Zhao out and to force him going to the capital. 

Overall, I’m just pointing out all GTY’s schemes and tricks.

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31 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

@Suzzy San 

Please read my comments carefully. I already mentioned that I’m not saying GTY was evil or he needs to be honest to QH since they’re love rivals. I also said that I’m not saying QH deserves ML. I’m also not defending QH. 

I just do not like the fact that GTY pretending and saying that he tried to help QH and ML to be together before which he was not sincere. I’m also pointing out the fact that he also calculated QH like he calculated Dr. He. His idea of kinapping princess would not help work if Yong Wang not Zhao Wang became emperor. I just think that he does not need to mention making himself magnanimous and blame QH for not taking his help when he was pressured by Yong Wang’s family. QH’s decision was right at that time given the circumstances his family faced. 

 

The truth is GTY even calculated new emperor. Zhao perfect was going to hide in the remote farm house after first assisination attack in the rice field. From the expression on GTY’s face, GTY either planned the second attack by alone assassin or he knew that that guy was assassin. However, he let the assassin attack the Zhao Wang and only saved him at close knit point to freak Zhao out and to force him going to the capital. 

Overall, I’m just pointing out all GTY’s schemes and tricks.

I know you are not saying GTY is bad. I understand the point you are making but somehow GTY already told ming lan that he started having the idea to marry her only after he saved her from drowning. So that means he truly wanted to help QH then at least to make ming lan's reputation not getting soiled. So,we already know GTY is not a pure man, he is very manipulative but what I think people still doesn't appreciate about QH is the fact that he still sees himself as some kind of high-class man who sees himself as the best man for ming lan, even though he does not know what others have done to win over her. 

To be honest of its someone that doesn't know QH, the person would also claim not to know what QH has done for ming lan other than soiling her name.. And the person will also claim that QH is not fit for her. So they both gets the share of where their personality leads them 

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9 hours ago, minglan1 said:

When Concubine Lin was screaming for help in the farmstead prison,ML's aunt said that she has brought shame to the Sheng household and encouraged the servants to ignore giving her medical treatment while bribing them.

Letting CL experience the absence of medical treatment was ML's idea of revenge.Didn't look like old madam or SH had any idea about it.My observations are purely based on the episodes.

@minglan1 Like I said before an eye for an eye.  Her goal was for to her feel what her mother experienced but her mom’s death was more painful , so I think she got it easy. I think she wanted her to die because she waited until she died to confess what she did. At least this time only one person died unlike Ming Lan’s Mom and baby brother died. To find out she was in pain since 3 am, Midwife showed up at 9 am-11am. We don’t know the exact time the midwife arrived. Then MidWife disappeared too and she had no servants to help her either. Only Ming Lan tried find a doctor for her mother but Concubine Lin said she said servant to look for a midwife when it wasn’t true. At least she confessed that Concubine Wei shouldn’t have dared to her pregnant and should have been content with just having Ming Lan. Hearing this richard simmons talk made feel no pity for her. She act like CW had a choice in not sleeping with her husband. Smh smh 

@ForgottenSoulx I agree with you . She deserved what she got. She had no remorse but she wanted ML to not hurt her precious daughter but she herself believes only her children are precious. 

@hello210 Thanks for explaining marriage life and inheritance in that era.

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@UnniSarah If Minglan didn't take revenge the drama wouldn't be so enticing.Good for her that she did and let us enjoy some wonderfully fast paced episodes.Concubine Lin had become too overconfident of her smartness and underestimated her opponent Minglan.When you do that you end up losing badly.I believe Miglan did exact one corpse two lives revenge on Concubine Lin.Her death and a perpetual unhappy miserable existence for her daughter Molan.

Now I am eagerly waiting to see Molan's pride of  getting the best marital match of a rich family bite the dust. :)

 

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I think I should moved on from discussing QH, :dissapointed: it's very clear that people taking side, it sounds to me, when GTY acting cunning and manipulative to ML, people always find an excuse, but keep saying QH is bad, trashing ML reputation, like he do it in purpose, please look at the whole story and characters, I'm happy that some people already try to understand QH's character without squeeze him to death, once again, I'm not pro QH.

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@mayonnaisepan When Xiaotao ripped QH a new one, I was clapping like a seal. QH really needed to hear it, he needs to know what he did wrong in order to grow up and move on. Because honestly, up until his confrontation with GTY, I don't think he truly understand what he did wrong and how hard it was for ML because of his actions.

 

@ForgottenSoulx In NIF/NIF 2, I believe the dynasty is an actual real one. Just the emperor(s)/reign(s) are fictional.

 

 

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Now, talk about GTY, people say his best friend is CB, my question, why GTY have to mislead his bestie about marrying his sister, he can honestly say, "hey bro, I like your 6th sister and I plan to marry her, give me your blessing please", instead he just say (I don't know what his exact word, since I'm not up to that episode) I want to marry your sis (even though what he wants is ML), he should knows that his words will mislead CB and the whole Sheng family, lucky enough that RL doesn't like him, can you imagine what happen if RL likes him too, and they agree to let GTY marry RL, and then GTY will tell them, "um... actually I dont want RL, I want ML", if he is a gentlemen with good moral, he won't do that, how RL can live her life after that rejection, isn't he trashing RL reputation (purposely).

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