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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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It’s very sad when you think on it but if Molan had a decent mother or a big Madam not so prejudiced against her to take over her raising or a father who actually had a clue or if grandma had stepped up she could have been a really accomplished and useful lady. She is really intelligent and driven but it went to waste.pity.

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2 hours ago, mooose said:

 

Concubine Lin used food as a weapon against Concubine Wei. Minglan used Concubine Lin's greed and ambition against her. Both were murderers even if they didn't weild a knife. What Minglan did to get revenge for mother was also reprehensible. 

 

There are no real villains or heroes in the backyard. Just women who were struggling to survive and they can for themselves and their children. 

 

This is what I been trying to say and point out. I understand how we want to prop up people as heroes and villains as it makes stories more compelling for viewers. With that said, it's better not to throw stones at people when you're not living their struggle. 

 

Oh, deep in my heart, I actually think Sheng Hong (patriarchy) is to blame for many things. However, I am biased because I think men (at large, not individual men) are trash. Sorry. 

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2 hours ago, paras said:

Preview of the wedding -

 

  @paras Thanks For this video. Man thats one hearty laugh GTY has when he's with ML.. That's the laugh of a happy man..

In that video it seens like the whole town was there.. I just have to believe ML is there among the crowd green with envy and hatred in her heart.. It may have crossed her mind to try and ruin this marriage just as she ruined her life..

2 hours ago, darkphoenix123 said:

Episode 40 was love. GTY told empress he was busy preparing the dowry for his bride & empress said that his bride was very lucky all the while looking at Minglan. She gave him a pin she was wearing to give his bride as her dowry & THE BEST PART WAS MOLAN,MAMA LIANG & GTY’S STEP MUM WERE THERE. Molan must be so jealous lmao. Anyone else feeling smug/petty?

@darkphoenix  Where did you see this.. I've been trying to catch and expression on Molan face every since she realized what she got herself into.. Knowing that the empress gave ML a pin I'm suprised she didn;t try and have her killed to take it.. How do she expect to be praised by the palace empress when she entered being the main wife all wrong.. Well all I can say is the lowly bish as she called her still raised aboved her in terms of having a husband..As a matter of fact she raised above all the Sheng girls if you think about it..

 

1 hour ago, Lunkera said:

@darkphoenix123 Yep, loved that scene. We will see probably Molan jealous expression tomorrow.

@Lunkera  According to some of the comments that I read Molan husband has to be hating he married her by now.. He has to be kicking himself to know he had a chance after QH and before GTY, Also if his Mom would have push for her a Lil harder she may have become his with the exception of the free cow.. (Molan)

 

54 minutes ago, mooose said:

The assets were Sheng properties (SH's assets from the family division) not DaNiang's dowry.  It was considered shameful for a scholar to touch a woman's dowry. Lin demanding other women's dowry was also shameful.

 

Old Madam pushed SH to carry out family punishment on Lin. It had to be done otherwise his sons and family would never respect him. I have a feeling he might have forgiven her if she hadn't exposed her true colours in that fight.

@moose  SH wasn't really going to do anything to CL until he found out she put the other girls in jeapordy.. Thats when he knew it was her wearing the pants and not him.. Like you I really believe he was going to forgive her and jkust let things go but Granny wasn;t having it and when it involved her getting angry for them accepting to send ML out with the richard simmons he knew very well what had to be done or he could never have lift his face to her or ML ever again..

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I agree with @mooose assessment. ML is not the typical innocent heroine. She manipulated everyone in order for her revenge to gain fruit. Then otherwise, why would she write her confession? Don’t get me wrong, I like ML. However, she is not an angel. She is flawed, and that’s why I like her. She is human.

She is an expert in observation. She knew her father’s weakness is keeping up  his position thus, she used that tor her advantage. She knew once her father knew the truth, there was no love, he would skin his concubine alive. That’s why the main wife realized something about her husband that she ignored and ML did not. And by the way dying slowly like how Concubine LinQ died is not a merciful death by any means. 

Honestly, the most flawed character to me at the moment is the new emperor. He has the power to create destruction for everybody including our main characters. That’s the person I’m watching out for the moment. The way he rejected becoming crown prince sent warning bells into my head. 

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39 minutes ago, frenchfan said:

She did explained to grandma when grandma asked how she felt.  She actually said that she was pleased someone would go to such length to get her then she started to be angry with him because he manipulated her family and she felt like giving him a slap....:joy:  So she actually told grandma the truth and all in all they admired him for his audacity.  

I seriously cannot wait until subs are released to understand all of this. I just hope they like GTY. 

47 minutes ago, sava2sava said:

@leeza  Thanks for this trialer

 Now someone correct me if I'm wrong, After the marriage it seems the women in the Gu house have gathered and already pick out a concubine for GTY and has tolxd this child that she'll become his concubine and they attacking ML to accept or have GTY to take her in afterwards ML told them that GTY will never take in another women and this girl breaks out and cry..  I;m trying to figure out which uncle she's related to.. They still going after his assets by using the other Gu daughters.. I don;t think GTY dad house is doing to well now..  

 

Also thanks @Ditto  And everyine else for the video links and conversation.. First time I've been so invested in a Chinese drama thread and I'm enjoying every minute of it..

I hope GTY will come to the rescue lol...cause they are so evil to do it the next day after the wedding????

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6 hours ago, mooose said:

3. Bros' before hoes'

I'm confused, you said bros before hoes but it's ok for GTY going after his friend's ex? I totally understand if ML is the last girl on earth (since QH and ML had clean break and if QH has no feeling at all to ML, so QH can't be so selfish). I'm genuinely confused, there's so many fights and hates because of this thing, like is it ok since it's in drama but not ok in real life?

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7 minutes ago, JoycceeDreamer said:

I hope GTY will come to the rescue lol...cause they are so evil to do it the next day after the wedding????

@JoycceeDreamer  It's no way GTY is going to let that two face step mom into his marriage or bully his wife.. He sit back and watch how ML handle things and if it don;t appease him he'll go to the backstabber himself.. But I read in a comment that his family sent several women into the home but he never slept with any of them even when they tried to seduce him when he and ML was angry with each other.. It was said that he borrowed all the women from entering his chamber including ML until they made up.

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5 hours ago, darkphoenix123 said:

If I were in QH’s shoes and my friend was going after my ex, I would feel sad but I would not go to my friend and ask her to break the relationship. Life never waits for anyone & if I had to be with someone else then I would expect my ex to find someone else sometime & be happy in their life. I will be sad at home but I won’t go confront my friend like QH did here cuz that’s just wrong...

Thank you for your honest answer. In this case as you mention ( So he didn't say that GTY was not good enough, he's just convinced that (1) he loves her first, GTY knows his love, so GTY is wrong for coming between them and (2) GTY doesn't love ML as much as him and (3) ML also doesn't want to marry GTY. I guess that this lead to QH go to find ML but was rejected by Grandmother. Probably, at this point, both ML and Grandma has accepted GTY's proposal. QH probably didn't know this, he just thought she was forced because Sheng house ran out of daughters. ) do you think you are wrong? because you don't know certain things, you just know what you think.

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22 minutes ago, crackaddict said:

 

This is what I been trying to say and point out. I understand how we want to prop up people as heroes and villains as it makes stories more compelling for viewers. With that said, it's better not to throw stones at people when you're not living their struggle. 

 

Oh, deep in my heart, I actually think Sheng Hong (patriarchy) is to blame for many things. However, I am biased because I think men (at large, not individual men) are trash. Sorry. 

 

Im a man and saying you think men are trash is just sexist and stupid, i do think Sheng Hong is to blame though. 

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1 hour ago, frenchfan said:

She did explained to grandma when grandma asked how she felt.  She actually said that she was pleased someone would go to such length to get her then she started to be angry with him because he manipulated her family and she felt like giving him a slap....:joy:  So she actually told grandma the truth and all in all they admired him for his audacity.  

I saw that. Neither looked upset. Minglan sounded petulant & grandma sounded shocked

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26 minutes ago, nrbrown said:

I agree with @mooose assessment. ML is not the typical innocent heroine. She manipulated everyone in order for her revenge to gain fruit. Then otherwise, why would she write her confession? Don’t get me wrong, I like ML. However, she is not an angel. She is flawed, and that’s why I like her. She is human.

 

Agreed.  She is manipulative.  Though I would argue that in that time and environment, she had no other recourse but nonetheless she is. And to be honest, I'm glad she is!  I hate it when the MC gets trampled by all the bad guys and doesn't stick up for herself/himself.  I'm cheering for her all the way.

 

Comparing her with the MC in Yanxi Palace, Wei Ying Luo, who is also super manipulative, ML is more low-key.  If Granny wasn't so observant about everything concerning ML, no one would know ML's role in bringing down Concubine Lin. 

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Minglan confessed to grandma about GTY saving her & Grandma was upset that there was so much Minglan didn’t tell her. But GTY is so excited lol. He is busy decorating his house & preparing for the wedding

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15 minutes ago, tomo74 said:

I'm confused, you said bros before hoes but it's ok for GTY going after his friend's ex? I totally understand if ML is the last girl on earth (since QH and ML had clean break and if QH has no feeling at all to ML, so QH can't be so selfish). I'm genuinely confused, there's so many fights and hates because of this thing, like is it ok since it's in drama but not ok in real life?

 

You act like they were best friends or anything are they even friends? they knew each other and talked that is about it.

 

Lets compare it to real life , your mother wants you to marry this girl and you marry her and then you decide oh i remember my first love let me go marry her instead.. but wait someone you knew proposed first . Its totally fine for that person you know to propose when you already gave her up. 

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I only left you ladies and gentlemen’s for a few hours and came back to 12 pages of comments to catch up… Don’t anyone of you sleep? JK....LOL  Seriously it took me an hour just to catch up on all the comments and take notes. 

 

After watching the preview spoiler of the wedding  makes me happy. We got to see GTY come pick up ML with pride. SH was happy because finally one of his daughter is making him proud with honor (besides Hualan). 

 

@ForgottenSoulx LOL… your comment about people flying away…. So funny….just made my day LOL in my office….Good thing I have an office so my co-workers won’t think I have issues…

 

@tomo74 If I was in QH shoes and my uncle wants to marry my ex-lover (whom I never got over) OF COURSE I would be super mad and want to kill him. But honestly I wouldn't have the guts to say anything because it was my fault that I lost her and broke the promise. I give QH credit for trying and didn't give up the second round. Finally I get to see QH put effort and stepping up to proving his love for ML by talking to GTY to stop with the engagement and trying to convince Grandma or chat with ML. 

 

@nichiwoohee Love that moral code of yours. If only QH know about their skinship - I'm sure QH would've been even more pissed off. 

 

@Golden Flower I was thinking the same too. As you climb up the ladder and became a trust worthy associate to the new emperor; I’m sure everyone with wealth would want to snatch you as a son-in-law. That reminds me of when CB passed the royal exam and all those official was trying to congrats him and snatch him as a potential son-in-law.   

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30 minutes ago, RobinM said:

It’s very sad when you think on it but if Molan had a decent mother or a big Madam not so prejudiced against her to take over her raising or a father who actually had a clue or if grandma had stepped up she could have been a really accomplished and useful lady. She is really intelligent and driven but it went to waste.pity.

I have been thinking that since the beginning of the drama. If it wasn’t for Concubine Lin neither of her children would have turned out like that. Molan was hesitating about doing anything scandalous because of how it will affect Sheng house reputation but her mother persuaded her saying reputation is nothing! If only...

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5 hours ago, darkphoenix123 said:

I saw the expression too & he had a worrisome expression when the previous emperor told him to never slight GTY & house of Gu & was praising him. GTY will probably go to prison cuz of him but will be released due to Ml & be demoted. He became a foot soldier again right? There will probably be another rebellion & he will be promoted again because of the son,the next emperor

 

I think this happens as well it makes total sense most likely GTY family did something maybe he took the blame or something im not sure. 

3 minutes ago, darkphoenix123 said:

I have been thinking that since the beginning of the drama. If it wasn’t for Concubine Lin neither of her children would have turned out like that. Molan was hesitating about doing anything scandalous because of how it will affect Sheng house reputation but her mother persuaded her saying reputation is nothing! If only...

 

You make a good point she did not want to do alot of things due to ruining sheng honor but her mother was pushing her. 

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@ForgottenSoulx I don't  consider ML black hearted because the characters in the drama are far from being black and white.They all have shades of grey some more than less.That's the reason why I like it. A good person can also have a nerve of steel while exacting a ruthless revenge which people might think him/her being incapable of.

 

I like ML the way she she has been sketched  makes her story so worthwhile to watch.

 

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Finally, I saw comments say that ML is manipulative person, yes she is, not because she is fl, she always right, pure and innocent, this story is about a person, each character represent a person (not an angel) with their mind and flaws, with their own goals, I have no pity for the villains but I do understand their reasons.

Thank you to all the people here who are not biased and thank you for the comments that makes this discussion colourful and interesting.

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i think one of the reasons dramas like this and to an extent, yanxi palace, are interesting (and popular with the public) is mainly because the female character isn't your plain mary sue, waiting for someone to rescue them. minglan isn't a meek or timid girl, GTY said it himself, that she appears to a typical obedient young woman but in actuality she's far more intelligent than anyone gives her credit for. i don't think that ML is black-hearted but she certainly isn't 100% innocent either. it's true that her mother  (and little brother) was essentially murdered and i do think that if ML had not decided to fight back, even her future in the household and her future after she gets married, would be at risk. she fought both to get revenge for her mother/brother and for her own future. the fact that molan and her mother were scheming against her when they thought that ML had a marriage proposal that was good goes to show that even if molan had married and it wasn't ML's plan, ML would not have a good husband if it were up to them. so while ML isn't wholly innocent, i think she also did what she had to do. sink or swim, fight or flight, and while she has grandma on her side, she doesn't have a mother (or a father, really) who'll keep her best interests at heart. 

 

the other thing i wanted to say is that in the most recent episode, when GTY is confessing everything he did to basically entrap ML into marriage, i kept thinking, "this little rascal!" if i didn't have a favorable opinion of GTY and of FSF acting as GTY, i would think he's an richard simmons! lol! he kept laughing and was saying how "i couldn't sleep the whole night after i found out ______" (for example when he says he found out that dr he's cousin was someone he could use/manipulate). all the while as he was confessing, i thought that he was such a richard simmons! probably similar to ML who thought, how dare this man use such dirty means and treat me like some sort of pet to be captured! but at the same time, like ML, i also thought, damn he really did go to extremes to make sure everything went according to plan! 

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For me ML just gave Concubine Lin and Molan "enough rope to hang themselves", but their downfall was completely their own doing. 

Too bad the dad will never get what he deserves for his part because in my opinion he is kinda an accomplice in ML's mother's death with him giving Lin so much power in the household and always looking the other way when she did (more and more) despicable things. If she had not been sure of getting away with it and even counting on him forgiving her (and not investigating it), she probably would not have dared to do such a thing...

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