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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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16 minutes ago, minglan1 said:

Love fiesty grandma who looks out for her ML with all her being.I love the actress who plays the role,she makes the character come alive.

I know.  The grandma should be awarded for her role.  She totally nailed it.  All the expression, emotion.  Epic!

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21 minutes ago, lyaarisa said:

 

 

LOL... I think thats the reason he will bring CB to the temple to caught RL red handed and swap his marriage to ML.. In GTY mind, perhaps he think CB is a blockhead.. LOL

 

 

LOL.. His reaction catching Molan is epic.. hahahha.. Finally the evil concubine Lin died.. I hope SH get smarter.. I wish to see more Hualan screen time.. I truly pity her in the book and Hualan truly adored ML..

 

I know some of you dislike Rulan character, but I really like her interaction with ML on ep 37.. When ML caught her meeting up with the scholar at night, they end up having pillow talk n sharing secrets just like sisters.. Yaa, Rulan is the "bossy" sister hahaha just like my big sis.. When you have sisters in your siblings, Rulan characters is considered as "normal".. LOL.. She may always said that ML is illegitimate bcoz she was taught by her mom that her status as di daughter is better than shu daughter.. Being a silly and straightforward person, that's why she always mentioned ML as shu daughter.. 

 

Im glad, the Rulan in the drama is much more lovable that Novel Rulan.. hahaha.. Rulan in the novel just like the bullying type of big sis..

 

In Ep 37, I can also see that ML is sincerely worried about Rulan when she found out that Rulan like the scholar.. Obviously, this scene proof that ML cares and have sisterly feelings towards Rulan.. In the novel, ML have much more interaction with Hualan compared to Rulan and ML feels closer to Hualan. It seems like the drama have a little changes here and there but I'm loving it so far.. 

Yes, I too love Rulan.  When she tried to bribe ML so she doesn't tell, she said "here take what you like (from her jewelleries) " and Minglan scooped everything and said I want it all....:joy:  You could see that they have good relationship.  I also love the camaderie between CB and GTY.  That's what best friends are for.

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33 minutes ago, lxands said:

I'm a bit lost here since I just watch up to ep 34 raw but I'm still curious to know..

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Does QH still has plan to marry ML?I thought he has give up on her since he is already married to Princess Whatever? Dont tell me he wants to take her as his concubine? Or did something happen to his princess wife?

 

 

 

The princess & her mother were killed by Consort Rong in the palace during the rebellion. It was shown in episode 34 or 35. He is now a widower. According to the spoilers, he passed the imperial exam and asked his mother about marriage to ML again & this time she agreed. But ML will be engaged already to GTY so he is asking him to back off or something like that

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1 hour ago, Lunkera said:

@sava2sava I think Molan became the main wife. But she's unfavored and i think she only gave birth to girls if it goes according to the novel. She will live a miserable life fighting against all the concubines

On the last episode I think, RL did mentioned why she prefered to marry the scholar than someone from a noble family by citing Hualan being ill treated by her in-laws and Molan who had a miscarriage right after she enterred the household. 

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Just from the quick look at the previews for tomorrow...QH character growth went down the drain the minute he heard GTY and ML are getting married. The mini tantrum, throwing things....he's gone back to his entitled young master behavior again.....smh...smh.

Even his convo. with GTY was all....you're not good enough for her...you betrayed me, like GTY is taking his girl away. Dude, you got married, doesn't matter forced or otherwise.....were even trying for kids....thats means you consummated the marriage. Was ML supposed to wait for you till her hair turned grey.....

Sorry for the rant...I am happy that we'll really get the wedding this week 

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36 minutes ago, lyaarisa said:

 

 

LOL... I think thats the reason he will bring CB to the temple to caught RL red handed and swap his marriage to ML.. In GTY mind, perhaps he think CB is a blockhead.. LOL

 

 

LOL.. His reaction catching Molan is epic.. hahahha.. Finally the evil concubine Lin died.. I hope SH get smarter.. I wish to see more Hualan screen time.. I truly pity her in the book and Hualan truly adored ML..

 

I know some of you dislike Rulan character, but I really like her interaction with ML on ep 37.. When ML caught her meeting up with the scholar at night, they end up having pillow talk n sharing secrets just like sisters.. Yaa, Rulan is the "bossy" sister hahaha just like my big sis.. When you have sisters in your siblings, Rulan characters is considered as "normal".. LOL.. She may always said that ML is illegitimate bcoz she was taught by her mom that her status as di daughter is better than shu daughter.. Being a silly and straightforward person, that's why she always mentioned ML as shu daughter.. 

 

Im glad, the Rulan in the drama is much more lovable that Novel Rulan.. hahaha.. Rulan in the novel just like the bullying type of big sis..

 

In Ep 37, I can also see that ML is sincerely worried about Rulan when she found out that Rulan like the scholar.. Obviously, this scene proof that ML cares and have sisterly feelings towards Rulan.. In the novel, ML have much more interaction with Hualan compared to Rulan and ML feels closer to Hualan. It seems like the drama have a little changes here and there but I'm loving it so far.. 

I like Rulan as well. She is snobbish but that’s because of how she was brought up but she is never malicious. She is always straight forward and not two faced & I like that. Sisters are bossy especially some big sisters but at the end of the day they are sisters & they end up having girl talks like these 2 had about Rulan & her scholar

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4 minutes ago, dito said:

Just from the quick look at the previews for tomorrow...QH character growth went down the drain the minute he heard GTY and ML are getting married. The mini tantrum, throwing things....he's gone back to his entitled young master behavior again.....smh...smh.

Even his convo. with GTY was all....you're not good enough for her...you betrayed me, like GTY is taking his girl away. Dude, you got married, doesn't matter forced or otherwise.....were even trying for kids....thats means you consummated the marriage. Was ML supposed to wait for you till her hair turned grey.....

Sorry for the rant...I am happy that we'll really get the wedding this week 

This was my opinion too. The minute he threw away the bowl beside his mother is when everything started going downhill & I stopped feeling bad for him. Did he expect no one to want to marry ML? When the news is out that she is engaged he wants GTY to break the marriage? Did he think about what everyone will say abt ML if that happens? Was it GTY’s fault that he succeeded where he failed? I was glad when grandma & Xiaotao turned him away

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39 minutes ago, lyaarisa said:

 

 

LOL... I think thats the reason he will bring CB to the temple to caught RL red handed and swap his marriage to ML.. In GTY mind, perhaps he think CB is a blockhead.. LOL

 

 

LOL.. His reaction catching Molan is epic.. hahahha.. Finally the evil concubine Lin died.. I hope SH get smarter.. I wish to see more Hualan screen time.. I truly pity her in the book and Hualan truly adored ML..

 

I know some of you dislike Rulan character, but I really like her interaction with ML on ep 37.. When ML caught her meeting up with the scholar at night, they end up having pillow talk n sharing secrets just like sisters.. Yaa, Rulan is the "bossy" sister hahaha just like my big sis.. When you have sisters in your siblings, Rulan characters is considered as "normal".. LOL.. She may always said that ML is illegitimate bcoz she was taught by her mom that her status as di daughter is better than shu daughter.. Being a silly and straightforward person, that's why she always mentioned ML as shu daughter.. 

 

Im glad, the Rulan in the drama is much more lovable that Novel Rulan.. hahaha.. Rulan in the novel just like the bullying type of big sis..

 

In Ep 37, I can also see that ML is sincerely worried about Rulan when she found out that Rulan like the scholar.. Obviously, this scene proof that ML cares and have sisterly feelings towards Rulan.. In the novel, ML have much more interaction with Hualan compared to Rulan and ML feels closer to Hualan. It seems like the drama have a little changes here and there but I'm loving it so far.. 

 

I dont really hate Rulan shes just netural for me sometimes i really dislike what she say's but sometimes shes quite sweet and show's sister love.

 

 

5 minutes ago, dito said:

Just from the quick look at the previews for tomorrow...QH character growth went down the drain the minute he heard GTY and ML are getting married. The mini tantrum, throwing things....he's gone back to his entitled young master behavior again.....smh...smh.

Even his convo. with GTY was all....you're not good enough for her...you betrayed me, like GTY is taking his girl away. Dude, you got married, doesn't matter forced or otherwise.....were even trying for kids....thats means you consummated the marriage. Was ML supposed to wait for you till her hair turned grey.....

Sorry for the rant...I am happy that we'll really get the wedding this week 

 

Exactly GTY should smack some sense into him , if QH does turn against GTY who ever is on QH side deserves :thumbsdown:

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, darkphoenix123 said:

I like Rulan as well. She is snobbish but that’s because of how she was brought up but she is never malicious. She is always straight forward and not two faced & I like that. Sisters are bossy especially some big sisters but at the end of the day they are sisters & they end up having girl talks like these 2 had about Rulan & her scholar

 

Didnt she say that shes fine with ML going to Liang's cause she would suffer or something like that? 

1 minute ago, darkphoenix123 said:

This was my opinion too. The minute he threw away the bowl beside his mother is when everything started going downhill & I stopped feeling bad for him. Did he expect no one to want to marry ML? When the news is out that she is engaged he wants GTY to break the marriage? Did he think about what everyone will say abt ML if that happens? Was it GTY’s fault that he succeeded where he failed? I was glad when grandma & Xiaotao turned him away

 

He just never thinks and no this is not a sudden change or out of character since the start he use no brain. 

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1 minute ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

I dont really hate Rulan shes just netural for me sometimes i really dislike what she say's but sometimes shes quite sweet and show's sister love.

 

 

 

Exactly GTY should smack some sense into him , if QH does turn against GTY who ever is on QH side deserves :thumbsdown:

 

 

 

 

Didnt she say that shes fine with ML going to Liang's cause she would suffer or something like that? 

My guess is that she said what her mum wanted to hear to get her off her back about marriage to 6th son of Liang house 

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5 minutes ago, dito said:

Just from the quick look at the previews for tomorrow...QH character growth went down the drain the minute he heard GTY and ML are getting married. The mini tantrum, throwing things....he's gone back to his entitled young master behavior again.....smh...smh.

Even his convo. with GTY was all....you're not good enough for her...you betrayed me, like GTY is taking his girl away. Dude, you got married, doesn't matter forced or otherwise.....were even trying for kids....thats means you consummated the marriage. Was ML supposed to wait for you till her hair turned grey.....

Sorry for the rant...I am happy that we'll really get the wedding this week 

GTY had offered to help him marry ML earlier.He had declined and chosen his path to break  way from ML.

Even if he marries ML he can still succumb to pressure and let ML suffer if that is required for his noble household.

I am sure GTY must have given his pearls of wisdom like last time.

Somethings are not destined to be so he needs to walk on the alternate route he chose.

I think by this time GTY also has warmed himself into ML's heart and it is no longer QH's sole domain.

 

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5 minutes ago, darkphoenix123 said:

My guess is that she said what her mum wanted to hear to get her off her back about marriage to 6th son of Liang house 

 

Maybe you are right its hard to know about RL for me at the moment im like 49% like 51% hate.

 

5 minutes ago, minglan1 said:

GTY had offered to help him marry ML earlier.He had declined and chosen his path to break  way from ML.

Even if he marries ML he can still succumb to pressure and let ML suffer if that is required for his noble household.

I am sure GTY must have given his pearls of wisdom like last time.

Somethings are not destined to be so he needs to walk on the alternate route he chose.

I think by this time GTY also has warmed himself into ML's heart and it is no longer QH's sole domain.

 

 

Exactly this is why GTY said he will fight with everything he has to marry ML. 

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12 hours ago, darkphoenix123 said:

I love Grandma’s protective streak. I might feel bad for QH but I am so looking forward to his mom being turned down by grandma when she comes to ask for ML’s hand

How the mighty falls.  QH mum was a Princess and so her sight was very high as to whom she wanted as daughter in-law.  After all the heart break and tears......now that everything is over, obviously grandma is not just going to let ML go.  QH was being too unrealistic.  Young puppy love.  

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I agree with majority of you that Rulan can be straight forward but she has a softy for ML. I guess because ML always respected her in return.

 

I love the bromance between CB and GTY… if CB was a girl, I’m sure GTY would’ve liked him at first sight… just like how ML first impression caught GTY to look twice.

I’m getting super excited and can’t wait for ML and GTY to be together. GTY might be a scammer but he was true to his heart and fought for ML regardless of these people blocking his way.

 

@dito

Thanks for the little translating. I can tell QH is still stuck in his puppy love for ML. He needs to move on and grow up. His tantrum of starving himself the first time didn’t do much because that cause his mother to kill his closest aid. He still didn’t get ML. Forced to get married to save his family and Sheng’s family; I didn’t see any effort from QH to handle the situation. Even GTY was willing to help and was turned down. The only thing our rich little master QH has is support from his mother whom makes the decisions’.  

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QH is the 'a fool in love' type, i supposed if i were in his shoes, i'd do the same (seeing how he was brought up as he was - obedient, respectful and gentlemanly while to us he's considered weak and only sees what's on the surface) ..maybe he has this feeling that ML loves him back and he'd thought love can conquer all so i can understand with him again asking his mom to propose but he'd failed to realize that ML has a 'life' of her own and he is not the 'centre' of her being..GTY is the 'take action and ask questions later' type of guy that's y he got ML but QH is like 'good things will come to those who waits' guy..pity life doesn't wait on him.

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Neither grandma or Minglan has forgotten how he and his mother let ML down and humiliated her. GTY has supported her from behind. While i guess ML doesn't love GTY yet, they have mutual understanding of eachother and trust. QH is too weakwilled compared to ML and GTY, he would not be able to protect her from his mother.

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Wow. I went to bed and then woke up to the big preview and the explosion here with the flurry of posts!!

 

6 hours ago, frenchfan said:

Well, even though she was 8 at the time, she still remembered how her mum bled to death with her baby brother too big to come and no help around as they stopped everyone from going out to get doctor for the birth. The midwife was drunk (the kitche staff purposedly made her drink until she was too drunk to be of any use), the person sent for hot water never came.....she suffered and she remembered.  Even at that time she knew full well that they were the least favoured but stil Linniang begrudged them.  They had no coals for the winter, not enough food, no allowances......and no one knew because the witch knew how to manipulate.  So yes, ML did orchestrated Linniang's downfall but you could see that she did not showed her hands.  She showed the painting and instead of sprouting vengeance, she just sat there and it unnerved Linniang more because of it.  I must say that she did it all with "style" and "class".   

Hahahaha. Don't get me wrong. Concubine Lin deserved everything she got, if not more. 

I was sick to the stomach when we found out that not only did she pretty much block everyone from helping ML's mom deliver, but she purposely feed the mom all the good food so that the baby would get too big to be delivered. 

And I loved it when ML just stared at her and let her figure out what ML did. And what will happen to Molan. Just cold. But I still love her. :D

The whole scene just goes against the normal drama trope, whereby the "winner" always tell everything that they did to get there. If U get what I mean. 

 

5 hours ago, darkphoenix123 said:

Seeing his reaction to the news when his mum told him & those scene with GTY I am guessing he really will go down the vengeful ex-lover path! Does QH think before asking anything? I am guessing the news of the marriage between GTY & ML is spread around the town already and if it is broken & ML gets married to QH what would they say about her & the Sheng family? Did he think about that?

QH is simply not capable of thinking beyond "I love ML. thus I should get her and she should marry me" line. 

If he had thought about the consequences of his actions, perhaps ML wouldn't be humiliated, his servant wouldn't die. 

And now he wants to humiliate ML again by having GTY cancel the wedding? 

We thought he'd grow up from the experience with the Family but it seems like he's back to this entitled spoilt kid that throws tantrum when he doesn't get what he wants. 

 

5 hours ago, Lunkera said:

With GTY she doesn't have to carry her facade all the time since GTY is one of the very few that knows her true self. She will atleast have more freedom as GTY's wife than any other man's wife. Also They have both suffered in their respective families and share true understanding of eachother. They are also both smart and cunning which is why they suit eachother very much. I felt the same way in Yanxi Palace between WYL and QL.

Felt exactly the same way. Of all the guys, only GTY is able to bring the other side out of ML. I like Dr He (he's sweet, don't know if I can still say the same after the couz saga which I haven't watch), but ML will go back to her facade if she marries him...

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7 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

Neither grandma or Minglan has forgotten how he and his mother let ML down and humiliated her. GTY has supported her from behind. While i guess ML doesn't love GTY yet, they have mutual understanding of eachother and trust. QH is too weakwilled compared to ML and GTY, he would not be able to protect her from his mother.

 

Agreed.  Like GTY said earlier, he's been pampered since birth and didn't even have sibling rivalry to worry about.  He simply doesn't know when and how to fight for what he wants because all he ever had to do was ask his parents for something and they would provide it. I hope he matures after ML and GTY's wedding and doesn't turn into a bitter/resentful character.

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I can understand QH’s disappointment after everything he has been through and it took mom watching people get slaughtered in front of her eyes to mend her ways. However, it was too late by the time he was widowed, pass imperial exam, and ready to make a proposal.  So I will say, you gave it your best shot the way you knew how, get your frustrated grief out now, cry, throw things in your home, then pick yourself up and continue life. He can keep ML in his heart forever if that’s what he wants but she’s getting married, keep it inside and move forward as a gentleman should. All I’m hoping for is that it ends with just the one little post ML marriage snippet in the trailer and his character doesn’t get ruined by anymore cliches. Still going to love watching this drama though :D

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Seriously talking about QH, he is an amazing guy6and a really generous guy that has been misled by his mom and has also let the grand air get to his brain, as such he is a sad character but that's all about him.. Truth be said, if I pity QH it was only when he went to confront princess rong. After that.. I felt nothing for his puppy love again.. Seriously no matter how awesome a guy is, once you are not able to be with a girl, for me that's all.. If you can fight for her without pressurising her, then I support it.. But in some way Ming lan is also a girl that seek to trust a guy for once so there was really no love between them, it was merely an insight and a dreamy wish.. So that's all for me about their love.. At this period, no matter how honest ming lan is, she is also like the other ladies of that period that found QH very awesome and wish to be with him. Fortunately, he fell for her so that makes her a little bit different from the other girls and unfortunately, she is smart and that makes her know that throwing tantrums or blackmailing will not let her be with him and no matt ler what he did she wouldn't be with him.. For me, there was no feeling on the part of ming lan to QH, it was a mere feelings of gratitude for his lovely efforts. 

Now QH wanting to get back to ming lan makes absolutely no sense because no matter how we look at it the situation they once faced hasn't changed, in fact it has worsened. No matter the love, ming lan will still be in trouble because QH is still not independent in his decisions. He is still that young lord who believes in his mother and who believes Ming lan still cares about him like before. He still believes he is the best as he is pure and honest and clean. He believes as long as he shows it, people will still support their love, as long as he is QH, all girls will want to be with him. That's why he could tell GTY that he is not good enough for Ming lan when even though GTY suffered, he took the advice of ming lan to be the best of himself. 

Seriously no matter how I want to at least be in support of their love, the more I could see that there really was no love between them at all.. Yes, ming lan couldn't be really open with him because of what the people might say, but we all know in a situation where ming lan can't do as she wishes she is not MIng lan.. So for me she has never been herself in front of QH even if it's privately.. She was like a girl craving for favor by showing her best self to someone she wants to get.. So for me QH is not fit to be with ML at all, not now, not before and definitely not forever. 

This is the plot the drama gave and this is a drama so we have to be idealistic too. The drama gave us a part where QH was a brave but pitiful lover and they also gave a part where he was a lovely suitor, but a man can't be so perfect.. So they now want to give us an obsessive and irrational lover who wants to prove he can do it by successfully getting married to the girl.. He should let go when the time is right, a while back was the right time, and it's time for this love to end.. As it hold no value anymore. 

This is my take on QH's love... But I have to say he is such a well thought out character for a pitiful love.. 

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