[Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Rise of Phoenixes 凰权·弈天下

[mrsj3n]

Ok.. watching the DVD version of episode 38.

 

OMG OMG OMG....

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How sweet can they be?????

 

 

[pristineqi]

Thanks re tips of watching TV vs DVD.  TV version airs earlier than DVD version. As I can't wait to watch the latest/new episodes.. I therefore watch the TV version first, followed by re-watching via DVD version. So far so good... I understand much better.

 

TROP is EXCELLENT !!! 

[tendrilsofwind]

8 hours ago, mrsj3n said:

Ok.. watching the DVD version of episode 38.

 

OMG OMG OMG....

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How sweet can they be?????

 

 

 

My favorite is that scene with them in that dark little room. Straight up gave me heart palpitations. I almost never ship, but Ning Yi had me swooning like an idiot.

 

I also want to say that I am surprised by how tight the plot is lol. So far I haven't found any plot holes that can't be explained away by re watching a few scenes. The last few episodes also had some gorgeous dialogue. I am so happy with how this is going so far, but I am apprehensive of the ending

[mrsj3n]

@tendrilsofwind

 

What?

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We do need to have Kleenex ready soon... 

[tendrilsofwind]

19 hours ago, mrsj3n said:

@tendrilsofwind

 

What?

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We do need to have Kleenex ready soon... 

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The way he started smirking at her....

I don't think I can handle it if there's no happy ending, but I know it won't be a happy ending. 

[pristineqi]

1 hour ago, tendrilsofwind said:

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I don't think I can handle it if there's no happy ending, but I know it won't be a happy ending. 

 

@tendrilsofwind... No happy ending ??? 

[tendrilsofwind]

1 hour ago, pristineqi said:

 

@tendrilsofwind... No happy ending ??? 

 

All the Chinese viewers seem to be predicting a tragic ending and I don't want to get my hopes up only to be devastated. I am inclined to believe them because Chinese writers have this strange predilection for depressing conclusions.

 

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People are also speculating that Ning Yi will marry Minister Yao's daughter. I really liked her character because she came off as being very poised and smart so I really hope she ends up with someone who can commit to her. Literally no one will be happy if she ends up as empress. I don't even know why I am still watching at this point lol I don't need this angst in my life.

 

[mrsj3n]

1 hour ago, tendrilsofwind said:

 

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I don't even know why I am still watching at this point lol I don't need this angst in my life.

 

Ditto!! Lol

 

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But it does seem to be a sad ending as Ning Yi looks alone and lonely. Hope I am wrong.

 

[pristineqi]

1 hour ago, tendrilsofwind said:

 

All the Chinese viewers seem to be predicting a tragic ending and I don't want to get my hopes up only to be devastated. I am inclined to believe them because Chinese writers have this strange predilection for depressing conclusions.

 

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People are also speculating that Ning Yi will marry Minister Yao's daughter. I really liked her character because she came off as being very poised and smart so I really hope she ends up with someone who can commit to her. Literally no one will be happy if she ends up as empress. I don't even know why I am still watching at this point lol I don't need this angst in my life.

 

 

I DETEST sad ending ... That's the reason, in the past, I waited till the C-dramas ended before watching those with happy endings.

 

NIF nearly killed me until an alternative ending was made available. Watched 3310 only after it had ended happily. Legend of Fuyao was the first I watched raws from Ep 1 till the end.. feeling dreadfully worried all the time that the ending might be horrible and sad... Phew!! 

[skibbies]

It makes more sense for tragic ending, especially if you want to elevate the themes or something. The Chinese viewers are predicting it because of something from the documentary I think. It's full of spoilers.

 

Novel ending:

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It if makes you feel better, the novel had a happy ending so you can pretend that's the ending. After it looked like it was going to be tragic ending, because so much had happened and they were just on opposite sides, they had to do right by the people who were with them all along kind of thing.

 

[pristineqi]

6 hours ago, skibbies said:

Novel ending:

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It if makes you feel better, the novel had a happy ending so you can pretend that's the ending. After it looked like it was going to be tragic ending, because so much had happened and they were just on opposite sides, they had to do right by the people who were with them all along kind of thing.

 

 

Thanks for sharing the novel ending <3 

I was contemplating to temporarily stop at Ep 47 (DVD) which gives such a lovey dovey feeling... Hehe .. and dream that the ending will be like this :

 

@skibbies...

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Can you please share more details about the happy ending in the novel? <3

 

[skibbies]

4 hours ago, pristineqi said:

 

Thanks for sharing the novel ending <3 

I was contemplating to temporarily stop at Ep 47 (DVD) which gives such a lovey dovey feeling... Hehe .. and dream that the ending will be like this :

 

@skibbies...

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Can you please share more details about the happy ending in the novel? <3

 

That's actually a good place to stop I think. They are cute like that.
 

(Details about novel end)

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Zhi wei's mum want her to bring back the old dynasty or something, and she had basically a secret army of people that did intelligence gathering, assassination and protects her through out the book (Zong Chen and Gu Nanyi are part of it) that meant to help her with that. So she did, she fought for them, and for others who died for her, and for people who no longer have a place in Tian Shen, and established a kingdom. Ning Yi became the emperor and they kind of split the land in half. (It currently has 4 kingdoms, Tian Shen, Da Yue to the north (He Lian's home), one I forgot, Bei Wei? it's to northwest? Xi Yue in south west. She had power in Da Yue and had control over Xi Yue. The other country was too busy dealing with their own thing for a long while). Anyways eventually they both pretended they died (it was some elaborate poison plot they both schemed without discussing it with each other) and went to live happily outside of the palace. There was like one chapter that showed that, like an epilogue, they had kids iirc.

Was there anything specific you wanted to know?

[pristineqi]

15 minutes ago, skibbies said:

That's actually a good place to stop I think. They are cute like that.
 

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Zhi wei's mum want her to bring back the old dynasty or something, and she had basically a secret army of people that did intelligence gathering, assassination and protects her through out the book (Zong Chen and Gu Nanyi are part of it) that meant to help her with that. So she did, she fought for them, and for others who died for her, and for people who no longer have a place in Tian Shen, and established a kingdom. Ning Yi became the emperor and they kind of split the land in half. (It currently has 4 kingdoms, Tian Shen, Da Yue to the north (He Lian's home), one I forgot, Bei Wei? it's to northwest? Xi Yue in south west. She had power in Da Yue and had control over Xi Yue. The other country was too busy dealing with their own thing for a long while). Anyways eventually they both pretended they died (it was some elaborate poison plot they both schemed without discussing it with each other) and went to live happily outside of the palace. There was like one chapter that showed that, like an epilogue, they had kids iirc.

Was there anything specific you wanted to know?

 

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I'll temporarily stop at Ep 47 due to busy real-life schedule; and wait till it ends. If there's a happy ending, I'll finitely continue and finish it till the very end . By then, eng sub will be available.. yayyyy!!

 

Re the novel ... Who will suceed them in their kingdoms? They individually married and have children with other people??

 

 

[dito]

1 hour ago, skibbies said:

That's actually a good place to stop I think. They are cute like that.
 

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Zhi wei's mum want her to bring back the old dynasty or something, and she had basically a secret army of people that did intelligence gathering, assassination and protects her through out the book (Zong Chen and Gu Nanyi are part of it) that meant to help her with that. So she did, she fought for them, and for others who died for her, and for people who no longer have a place in Tian Shen, and established a kingdom. Ning Yi became the emperor and they kind of split the land in half. (It currently has 4 kingdoms, Tian Shen, Da Yue to the north (He Lian's home), one I forgot, Bei Wei? it's to northwest? Xi Yue in south west. She had power in Da Yue and had control over Xi Yue. The other country was too busy dealing with their own thing for a long while). Anyways eventually they both pretended they died (it was some elaborate poison plot they both schemed without discussing it with each other) and went to live happily outside of the palace. There was like one chapter that showed that, like an epilogue, they had kids iirc.

Was there anything specific you wanted to know?

 

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Was that poison plot in the prologue part too. Coz I read 2 versions of the book ...one had FZW poisoning someone in the prologue.....and he says she must have been planning it from a long time...(I say someone coz either Ning Yi's name was not mentioned or google translate was being cranky)...the other version starts from when the pagoda people are escaping with a baby.

 

[skibbies]

2 hours ago, pristineqi said:

 

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I'll temporarily stop at Ep 47 due to busy real-life schedule; and wait till it ends. If there's a happy ending, I'll finitely continue and finish it till the very end . By then, eng sub will be available.. yayyyy!!

 

Re the novel ... Who will suceed them in their kingdoms? They individually married and have children with other people??

 

 

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Ok I double checked. Basically their kingdoms were fighting and at a stalemate, so Zhi Wei sacrificed herself to make sure all her friends and soldiers could surrender without consequences. She got a promise from Ning Yi regarding that, then she talked about how she manipulated him and doesn't actually love him. He got mad and sent her to jail. Gu Nanyi came to save her (he's the second lead in the book) and there was a battle and some last minute reveals about small plot details and chaos. She "died", Gu Nanyi fainted from injury and Ning Yi was already sick so he fainted from shock too, and neither of them could find her body.

 

The poison was actually used to neutralise Ning Yi's old illness/poison from an old injury. Both of the guys searched everywhere for her and she hid somewhere. So they came up with a plan where Gu Nanyi assassinate Ning Yi and he "dies", so she would pop up and see him for the last time. It's kept super vague in the actual ending, but it's made clear in the epilogue/extra chapter. Ning Yi's brother suceeded his throne, and specifically requested the two "dead" people to stay close by so he can ask questions anytime. But they kind of ran away at some point to travel LOL. Neither of them had kids with anyone. Ning Yi didn't have an empress either, I don't know how he managed that since he was close to like 30 when he "died", but I'm just going to not think about that.

 

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Was that poison plot in the prologue part too. Coz I read 2 versions of the book ...one had FZW poisoning someone in the prologue.....and he says she must have been planning it from a long time...(I say someone coz either Ning Yi's name was not mentioned or google translate was being cranky)...the other version starts from when the pagoda people are escaping with a baby.

 

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My book's prologue is someone carrying a baby. I think it's an extended scene that's written later? I read the WN and I swear it has bit of new content. (The scene existed before, but it was like a flashback told by someone that happened uhh idk middle of the book? and it wasn't as long) The WN doesn't have a prologue, it's just first chapter where she murders one of her uncle's wife (the one that her mum murdered in the drama lol). If her poisoning Ning Yi is prologue, it's probably an excerpt? that's really bad passage to pick as excerpt though. 

Oh actually, you can pass me the passage/link and I can probably check.

[ForgottenSoulx]

2 hours ago, skibbies said:

That's actually a good place to stop I think. They are cute like that.
 

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Zhi wei's mum want her to bring back the old dynasty or something, and she had basically a secret army of people that did intelligence gathering, assassination and protects her through out the book (Zong Chen and Gu Nanyi are part of it) that meant to help her with that. So she did, she fought for them, and for others who died for her, and for people who no longer have a place in Tian Shen, and established a kingdom. Ning Yi became the emperor and they kind of split the land in half. (It currently has 4 kingdoms, Tian Shen, Da Yue to the north (He Lian's home), one I forgot, Bei Wei? it's to northwest? Xi Yue in south west. She had power in Da Yue and had control over Xi Yue. The other country was too busy dealing with their own thing for a long while). Anyways eventually they both pretended they died (it was some elaborate poison plot they both schemed without discussing it with each other) and went to live happily outside of the palace. There was like one chapter that showed that, like an epilogue, they had kids iirc.

Was there anything specific you wanted to know?

 

im not sure if i like endings like this 

[skibbies]

8 minutes ago, Wotad said:

 

im not sure if i like endings like this 

what kind of ending do you think would work?

 

The book is weird in that they spend very little time doing anything fluffy, they spend richard simmons ton more time scheming against each other for various reasons. I swear it's like they flirt via scheming sometimes. But I can't really say it's a book that's not about romance because they do love each other a lot, it's just not shown as much.

[ForgottenSoulx]

16 minutes ago, skibbies said:

what kind of ending do you think would work?

 

The book is weird in that they spend very little time doing anything fluffy, they spend richard simmons ton more time scheming against each other for various reasons. I swear it's like they flirt via scheming sometimes. But I can't really say it's a book that's not about romance because they do love each other a lot, it's just not shown as much.

 

Im not sure but i just dislike endings where they give up their kingdom for one girl for some reason it does not sit well with me. I have never liked these endings its similar to Journey of the flower ending etc..

 

Why not do something like if they both become powerful in their countries merge them together?

[skibbies]

@Wotad Maybe spoiler that? since not everyone would want to know novel ending.

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That's the thing, It ends up being romance-centric at the very end, but it's not that they didn't do other stuff. I don't particularly like "forced happy ending" which this kind of seem like, but when I got to the end, I kind of didn't care and I just want them to be happy lol. Being an emperor means a lot of responsibilities and having to answer to a lot of people. They did that, for like most of the book (doing stuff for other people). I mean Ning Yi started out being power-hungry but at some point he changed, and getting power was just a means to keep her safe and have her be free and do what she wants. (because his dad wants her dead)

 

She needed to die for people who want their kingdom back to stop. If she dies, there's no more figurehead. Ning Yi dies because he can't actually marry her, he couldn't before because she was the enemy, and if he forced it, she wouldn't be happy. So he made do with uphelding the promise to travel with her and see the world. Also because lot of books have people being emperor and empress and it can feel overly idealistic. (Fuyao ends up as the empress for example, but Fuyao as a character is even more mary sue than Zhi Wei)

 

[dito]

53 minutes ago, skibbies said:

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Ok I double checked. Basically their kingdoms were fighting and at a stalemate, so Zhi Wei sacrificed herself to make sure all her friends and soldiers could surrender without consequences. She got a promise from Ning Yi regarding that, then she talked about how she manipulated him and doesn't actually love him. He got mad and sent her to jail. Gu Nanyi came to save her (he's the second lead in the book) and there was a battle and some last minute reveals about small plot details and chaos. She "died", Gu Nanyi fainted from injury and Ning Yi was already sick so he fainted from shock too, and neither of them could find her body.

 

The poison was actually used to neutralise Ning Yi's old illness/poison from an old injury. Both of the guys searched everywhere for her and she hid somewhere. So they came up with a plan where Gu Nanyi assassinate Ning Yi and he "dies", so she would pop up and see him for the last time. It's kept super vague in the actual ending, but it's made clear in the epilogue/extra chapter. Ning Yi's brother suceeded his throne, and specifically requested the two "dead" people to stay close by so he can ask questions anytime. But they kind of ran away at some point to travel LOL. Neither of them had kids with anyone. Ning Yi didn't have an empress either, I don't know how he managed that since he was close to like 30 when he "died", but I'm just going to not think about that.

 

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My book's prologue is someone carrying a baby. I think it's an extended scene that's written later? I read the WN and I swear it has bit of new content. (The scene existed before, but it was like a flashback told by someone that happened uhh idk middle of the book? and it wasn't as long) The WN doesn't have a prologue, it's just first chapter where she murders one of her uncle's wife (the one that her mum murdered in the drama lol). If her poisoning Ning Yi is prologue, it's probably an excerpt? that's really bad passage to pick as excerpt though. 

Oh actually, you can pass me the passage/link and I can probably check.

 

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夢裏不知身是客

夢裏不知身是客

“打算給我什麽樣的死法？”幽沉大殿昏暗燈火下，她雙手撐桌，將一張笑意嫣然如迎風薔薇的臉直直湊到他麵前，“鴆酒？白綾？背土袋？賜刀？”

“你想要什麽樣的死法？”他自斟一杯，動作穩定，清冽酒液微微傾斜，倒映那女子迷蒙眼神……多少年她活得雲遮霧罩，到死都不願被他看清。

“怎麽痛快怎麽來，我是說，對你。”她笑，溫柔挽起袖子，向他攤開手掌，“讓賤妾最後伺候您一回吧。”

他笑一笑，薄唇一抹譏嘲弧度，漫不經心將酒壺酒杯交給她。

酒色碧如玉，皓腕凝霜雪，一線深翠自纖纖指間瀉落，落在白玉盞中琳琅有聲，四周很安靜，錦帳繡幔沉沉垂落，隔絕了世間一切喧囂。

包括宮闕玉階之下，近在咫尺的叛軍的呼嘯和廝殺。

屬於她的，叛軍。

那些硝煙和血氣仿佛被阻攔在很遠的地方，不入那兩人之耳，寂靜中他們仔細尋找聆聽彼此的呼吸……沉靜、安詳、幾乎相同的頻率，在金鼎香爐嫋嫋輕煙裏，曆曆分明而又抵死纏綿。

將酒杯在手中輕輕轉著，她低問：“不怕我下毒？”

“這座暗殿，多年來從無人進入。”他淡淡道，“而這壺酒，陳放在暗格之內，也從無人動過。”

“至於你……”他平靜的抿一口酒，沒有繼續說下去，眼神冰刀一般劃過，那笑意是刀尖上的寒芒，不動聲色。

她無聲笑笑，出神端詳自己的手指，從被騙入這座密殿開始，她已經經過了天下最懂毒的藥師、最擅暗器的巧匠、最懂暗殺的殺手的重重搜檢，別說一顆毒藥，便是一根汗毛，如果不屬於她自己，也早已被撿了出去。

確實，此刻，沒人可以對他下毒，以翻轉這不利於她的局勢。

不過……

她淺淺笑起，眉梢眼角盈盈一彎，竟然是俏皮可愛的弧度。

“有沒有覺得胸悶？”天生帶著水汽的迷蒙眼眸望定他，霧氣後看不清她眼底真實神情，“有沒有覺得丹田刺痛？有沒有覺得逆血上湧，正在倒衝著你的氣海？”

他也望定她，臉色漸漸泛了微青。

“這密殿自從落成，重重護衛，確實沒有人進來過。”她負手踱開幾步，回眸笑看他，“但是，落成之前呢？”

他震了震。

那一年密殿初建，從圖紙設計到宮殿落成，他都未曾讓她插手，隻是在完工後，帶她進去看了一眼。

猶記當時，集英殿前梨花落如輕霜，她銀色裙裾輕快拂過月輝皎潔的地麵，旋一朵流麗燦爛的花，月色花影裏她扶著廊柱含笑回首，他瞬間被那恬然笑意擊中。

彼時，情意正濃。

便是在那樣飄散梨花清香的脈脈夜晚裏，便是在那樣雙目交視的微笑眼神中，她纖纖十指拂過酒壺下的暗格，布下多年後的暗殺之毒？

那一笑溫婉，那眼波嫣然，那梨花落盡裏攜手的溫暖，原來，都隻是幻夢裏一場空花？

他尚自沉浸於和她分享秘密的喜悅，她卻已不動聲色為將來的生死對立留下伏筆。

原來，她從來都是他的敵人。

不知道哪裏在痛，又或者哪裏都沒有痛，隻是有些什麽東西，琉璃般的脆裂，隱約間似乎聽見“哢嚓”一聲，不知道哪裏碎了。

相遇不過大夢一場，你我皆是過客。

緩緩抬起衣袖捂住唇，一點鮮紅染上衣袖，他目光沉冷無聲抹去，而她不知何時已背過身，背影挺直而纖秀，他注視那背影，突然覺得，有一句話，現在不問，也許就永遠沒有機會了。

“你……可有愛過我？”短短幾字，問得艱難。

她頓了頓，半晌回首，巧笑嫣然，吐字清晰。

“沒有。”

深殿內一陣窒息的空寂，長窗外一朵開得正豔的秋海棠，突然無聲萎落。

“好。”良久之後，他終於也笑了笑，傳聞中的容顏絕世，此刻笑起來竟也不比那萎落的花好看多少。

他不再看她，眼神卻已漸漸沉斂，突然輕輕拍掌。

隻是那麽清脆而淡定的一聲，大殿內餘音猶自嫋嫋。

遠處突然響起排山倒海般呼嘯，像是海浪在颶風卷掠下猛然豎起，厚重如牆般橫亙於金殿之前，刹那壓下步步逼近的殺戮之聲。

他微微笑著，不用看也知道，那些縱橫道路，那些宮闕角落，都會在那掌聲落下後湧出無數黑色暗流，那是他暗伏下的精英軍隊，會用閃耀寒光的百煉兵刃，迎上那些妄圖踐踏皇權，將血汙軍靴踏上玉階的叛軍。

事到如今，深情蜜意抵不過你死我活，而他二十餘年珍貴心意，再不能用來澆灌這朵帶毒的罌粟。

容得她翻覆到今日，也夠了。

“哎，我還是輸了。”她探頭向殿外看了看，語氣輕鬆，“真可惜。”

“是啊，可惜。”他輕輕咳嗽，咳出血絲，“你看，即使你多年前就留下了這著殺招，即使你要了我的命，可是你的大成帝國，還是注定要崩塌於今日。”

“沒關係。”她笑，“能和您共死，就是我的榮幸。”

他看定她，她笑容婉約一如初見，他掉開眼，五指一緊，掌間玉杯砰然碎裂。

鮮血涔涔裏他漠然對著空氣道：“來人。”

大殿四角立即鬼魅般閃現數條人影。

她抬眼一瞥，平靜轉身，密密長睫垂下，遮住晦暗變幻眼神。

那些難以出口的秘密，便隨這一身長埋吧……

聽得身後他語聲清涼，字字斬金斷玉。

“帶她下去，押入暗牢，三天後……”

他閉上眼。

“淩遲。”

 

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Reading it again now....I don't think its FZW and NY...correct me if I'm wrong...