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[Mainland Chinese Drama 2017-2018] Nirvana in Fire: The Wind Blows in Changlin 琅琊榜之凤起长林

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3 hours ago, Wotad said:
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Nah i dont think its friendly i think Yuanqi will go against PJ later on and even if hes advancing and has ambitions he should not be advancing this far and whose his teacher? 

 

PJ's skill would not stay the same either, if you think about the timeline and how many years PJ trained no way Yuanqi should even be a threat vs PJ

 

 

 

 


Yeah, I meant was the fight might be just a competition between PJ and Yuanqi, since the scene seemed to be happen in the palace. They wont kill each other there, unless if there's gonna be war/an attack in the palace by Yuanqi. 

PJ's skill should be higher too. I also believe that Yuanqi may not be a threat for PJ later in physical fight (since there's Marquis the top fighter, then I believe that he should become PJ's enemy later :tongue: ). Then again, I believe that Yuanqi's martial art skill will advance, so it wont be easy to defeat him
 

 

 

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I am very much tempted to read your spoilers :tongue:

Stills , changes happening to Ping Jing

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55 minutes ago, rhaps said:
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Yeah, I meant was the fight might be just a competition between PJ and Yuanqi, since the scene seemed to be happen in the palace. They wont kill each other there, unless if there's gonna be war/an attack in the palace by Yuanqi. 

PJ's skill should be higher too. I also believe that Yuanqi may not be a threat for PJ later in physical fight (since there's Marquis the top fighter, then I believe that he should become PJ's enemy later :tongue: ). Then again, I believe that Yuanqi's martial art skill will advance, so it wont be easy to defeat him
 

 

 

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its more like Yuanqi will control palace/emperor and PJ will have to save him i expect. 

50 minutes ago, LyraYoo said:

I am very much tempted to read your spoilers :tongue:

Stills , changes happening to Ping Jing

 

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he looks so good in the black armor in the trailer i posted a page back. 

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Thoughts on Ep 29-30


 

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While I will miss the earnest carefree Pingjing, there's much also to like about the new, more circumspect Huai Hua General. The earnestness is still there but it's more intense and one can't help noticing the weight of the world on those rather scrawny shoulders. Even when he's talking to the new emperor, it's clear  that he really has left boyhood behind him. He's still suffering survivor's guilt especially when looking at his father and his sister-in-law, considering what they'd lost and feeling like he'd cheated in what he'd gained.

 

I'm glad Lin Xi has gone off wandering and doing research on herbs in the hope of compiling a kind of herbal dictionary or almanac. It's not like her to sit around and mope anyway. If the closing credits are to be believed, I'm sure they'll meet again

 

I'm fascinated by Yuanqi in that I don't really know what he's really thinking or what he's up to... I never know if he's sincere with PJ or just riding on his coattails or if he's the most honest with his uncle Mozi when he yabbers on about his ambitions. I can only imagine that we'll never be sure until the end.

 

It didn't take the Xun clan long to make their move. By dropping suggestions here and there, they are trying to get the young emperor to establish his own imperial battalion answerable only to him. Of course it's also calculated to cause problems for the House of Changlin, the old prince especially.

 

The new dynamic between the old prince and Jingping has shifted. No longer father chastising his aberrant and wilful offspring but a father who is placing utmost confidence in adult son to make his own choices and be his own man. There were many moving exchanges between them but my favourite was  the dialogue just before Jingping leaves Jinling for the northern border.

"His Majesty has grown up, you naturally are no longer a child. PIngjing, from this day forth, Father believes in whatever you decide to do. Whether it is concerning the Changlin army, whether it is your heart. Whatever decisions you make from now onwards, won't be because of your brother's expectations or even more so, your father's strongly held ideas but because you now have this resolve and have taken on this responsibility."

 

A parallel has been set up between the young emperor Yuanshi and Jingping. Both are struggling to fill big shoes and encountering their own respective set of issues in trying to do their jobs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

@rhaps and @Wotad

There's a scene in Ep. 30 which sees PJ practising his swordfighting skills on Langya Mountain and Xiao Xue comments afterwards that he has progressed quite a lot.

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1 hour ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

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While I will miss the earnest carefree Pingjing, there's much also to like about the new, more circumspect Huai Hua General. The earnestness is still there but it's more intense and one can't help noticing the weight of the world on those rather scrawny shoulders. Even when he's talking to the new emperor, it's clear  that he really has left boyhood behind him. He's still suffering survivor's guilt especially when looking at his father and his sister-in-law, considering what they'd lost and feeling like he'd cheated in what he'd gained.

 

I'm glad Lin Xi has gone off wandering and doing research on herbs in the hope of compiling a kind of herbal dictionary or almanac. It's not like her to sit around and mope anyway. If the closing credits are to be believed, I'm sure they'll meet again

 

I'm fascinated by Yuanqi in that I don't really know what he's really thinking or what he's up to... I never know if he's sincere with PJ or just riding on his coattails or if he's the most honest with his uncle Mozi when he yabbers on about his ambitions. I can only imagine that we'll never be sure until the end.

 

It didn't take the Xun clan long to make their move. By dropping suggestions here and there, they are trying to get the young emperor to establish his own imperial battalion answerable only to him. Of course it's also calculated to cause problems for the House of Changlin, the old prince especially.

 

The new dynamic between the old prince and Jingping has shifted. No longer father chastising his aberrant and wilful offspring but a father who is placing utmost confidence in adult son to make his own choices and be his own man. There were many moving exchanges between them but my favourite was  the dialogue just before Jingping leaves Jinling for the northern border.

"His Majesty has grown up, you naturally are no longer a child. PIngjing, from this day forth, Father believes in whatever you decide to do. Whether it is concerning the Changlin army, whether it is your heart. Whatever decisions you make from now onwards, won't be because of your brother's expectations or even more so, your father's strongly held ideas but because you now have this resolve and have taken on this responsibility."

 

A parallel has been set up between the young emperor Yuanshi and Jingping. Both are struggling to fill big shoes and encountering their own respective set of issues in trying to do their jobs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

@rhaps and @Wotad

There's a scene in Ep. 30 which sees PJ practising his swordfighting skills on Langya Mountain and Xiao Xue comments afterwards that he has progressed quite a lot.

@40somethingahjumma, thanks for confirming!. I've guessed that he has progressed, based on his badass moves and XX's expressions. Besides :

 

 

IIRC, didnt Puyang Ying once said that, a person who ate the snake's gallblader will have his internal strength increased, as if has been practicing for 10 years ? Pls CMIIW, I forgot in which episode was that. 
 

 

 

Regarding PJ in 29-30 : 

 

 

Yes, he's not just mature, but you couldnt help to notice that he is holding some burden. That's why I praised LH's acting for being able to show it subtlely. It's like, there is sadness in his eyes, even when he smiles.

And I really2 love that scene with Dad (and sister-in-law too). They both realizes what he's going through and gives support, like what a family should do. 

Btw, does PJ get himself a personal bodyguard? If that's true, hey, that's nice. ..coz the guard looked rather ..dunno ..funny? . 
 

 

 

Regarding next week's episode, I heard that :

 

 

PJ and LX will meet again ..hehehe :wub:. Hopefully that spoiler is true :D . I cant wait! :tongue:
 

 

 

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so Happy this forum is starting to move and more viewer for NIF2. It was hard finding reviews and recap on NIF2 that i thought for awhile no one was watching this series.  Back to NIF2, I really want LX to come back soon. PJ will have this puppy look when he looked at her in the last time they met. You can see the shift in his eyes and how he can barely look at her, made my heart hurt watching that scene.

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3 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

Thoughts on Ep 29-30


 

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While I will miss the earnest carefree Pingjing, there's much also to like about the new, more circumspect Huai Hua General. The earnestness is still there but it's more intense and one can't help noticing the weight of the world on those rather scrawny shoulders. Even when he's talking to the new emperor, it's clear  that he really has left boyhood behind him. He's still suffering survivor's guilt especially when looking at his father and his sister-in-law, considering what they'd lost and feeling like he'd cheated in what he'd gained.

 

I'm glad Lin Xi has gone off wandering and doing research on herbs in the hope of compiling a kind of herbal dictionary or almanac. It's not like her to sit around and mope anyway. If the closing credits are to be believed, I'm sure they'll meet again

 

I'm fascinated by Yuanqi in that I don't really know what he's really thinking or what he's up to... I never know if he's sincere with PJ or just riding on his coattails or if he's the most honest with his uncle Mozi when he yabbers on about his ambitions. I can only imagine that we'll never be sure until the end.

 

It didn't take the Xun clan long to make their move. By dropping suggestions here and there, they are trying to get the young emperor to establish his own imperial battalion answerable only to him. Of course it's also calculated to cause problems for the House of Changlin, the old prince especially.

 

The new dynamic between the old prince and Jingping has shifted. No longer father chastising his aberrant and wilful offspring but a father who is placing utmost confidence in adult son to make his own choices and be his own man. There were many moving exchanges between them but my favourite was  the dialogue just before Jingping leaves Jinling for the northern border.

"His Majesty has grown up, you naturally are no longer a child. PIngjing, from this day forth, Father believes in whatever you decide to do. Whether it is concerning the Changlin army, whether it is your heart. Whatever decisions you make from now onwards, won't be because of your brother's expectations or even more so, your father's strongly held ideas but because you now have this resolve and have taken on this responsibility."

 

A parallel has been set up between the young emperor Yuanshi and Jingping. Both are struggling to fill big shoes and encountering their own respective set of issues in trying to do their jobs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

@rhaps and @Wotad

There's a scene in Ep. 30 which sees PJ practising his swordfighting skills on Langya Mountain and Xiao Xue comments afterwards that he has progressed quite a lot.

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Exactly PJ has progressed alot yet i think they will try to show Yuanqi as a equal later on, i think he did care for PJ at the start but hes just using him now and will betray him later.

 

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@40somethingahjumma, thanks for confirming!. I've guessed that he has progressed, based on his badass moves and XX's expressions. Besides :

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IIRC, didnt Puyang Ying once said that, a person who ate the snake's gallblader will have his internal strength increased, as if has been practicing for 10 years ? Pls CMIIW, I forgot in which episode was that. 
 

 

 

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Yes, he's not just mature, but you couldnt help to notice that he is holding some burden. That's why I praised LH's acting for being able to show it subtlely. It's like, there is sadness in his eyes, even when he smiles.

And I really2 love that scene with Dad (and sister-in-law too). They both realizes what he's going through and gives support, like what a family should do. 

Btw, does PJ get himself a personal bodyguard? If that's true, hey, that's nice. ..coz the guard looked rather ..dunno ..funny? . 
 

 

 

Regarding next week's episode, I heard that :

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PJ and LX will meet again ..hehehe :wub:. Hopefully that spoiler is true :D . I cant wait! :tongue:
 

 

 

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did he eat gallblader ? 

 

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On 1/10/2018 at 10:32 AM, imhoooked said:

Prince Yu's son

 

If he was to show up now, he would be around the same ago or a bit younger than the Emperor. 

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6 hours ago, Wotad said:

 

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did he eat gallblader ? 

 

I havent watched epi 25-26 with english subs, so please cmiiw. AFAIK :

 

 


The one who ate the gallblader was PZ , then transferred his blood to PJ. Please CMIIW, though
 

 

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Anyone have any idea what the Old Master in Lanya Hall said in the piece of paper that was given to PJ after his visit? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Contents of the pouch:

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On the first day of the tenth month a solar eclipse can be seen from the northern border.

 

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What are you're people's thoughts on this drama overall for me its second after the first NIF , i have not watched many chinese dramas but watched alot of the popular ones and they all have some weakness like bad endings or annoying girls etc..

 

So far this drama ticks all the boxes for me,i really love the NIF team they create such well produced shows and considering this was a original story so far i like it. 

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46 minutes ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

 

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On the first day of the tenth month a solar eclipse can be seen from the northern border.

 

Thanks a lot!

 

 


A solar eclipse? What's that suppose to mean, what's going to happen? Does that mean that we'll have an enemy sneaking/attacking through the northern border, because it's gonna be dark? 
 

 

 

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Why aren't there any more episodes this week? Aren't there supposed to be 8 episodes a week? :(

 

The explanation for how the cure for the frost bone poison works is explained in Episode 24 and since it is subbed, I won't bother putting anything related to that episode in spoiler. Any episodes that are already subbed should be fair game in this thread. 

 

Because Pingjing was poisoned first and for longer his consuming the snake gallbladder alone is insufficient. He requires blood (which contains the qi necessary for full recovery). However this will adversely impact the blood donor in the process. That's why the cure is more evil than the poison because it requires another life to save one. If you remember in the first series, there's was a potential cure from a plant that could help Mei Chang Su which also required the sacrifice of another life. If memory serves I think it was 10 lives actually. But here it's a deliberate gambit set up by the villain to force Pingzhang's hand.

 

There's no justification for what Puyang Ying and the other children of Yelin did no matter how heartbreaking the entire plague was. He took what was meant to be a force for good and turned it into a fanatical death cult. It is normal practice to apply strict isolation and quarantine off one's territory when there's a virulent spread of infectious disease. To me blaming Liang for protecting its own citizenry is bizarre especially when there were doctors from Liang going from town to town. Also I don't know why Yelin's leadership didn't do better with controlling the spread of the plague. It was a natural disaster anyway.

Puyang Ying was undoubtedly unhinged even from a young age. He was already bitter and resentful that he wasn't chosen to go to the next level of training so when his parents died, whatever shred of humanity he had left was thrown off a cliff. It's clear that his sociopathic tendencies were already perceived by his teachers at the academy. All that talent and energy that they put into exacting revenge and attempting to destabilize Liang could have IMO been channelled into rebuilding their old home country. I wouldn't say necessarily that it was pointless... obviously that's not the case. Nuts or not, PYY has inflicted some serious damage to the foundations of Liang that will have long term consequences. The royal court is now fractured. Resentment against the House of Changlin will undoubtedly boil over at some stage.

 

@rhaps To answer your question:

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I don't know if the enemy will use the solar eclipse to their advantage but I'm more inclined to think that PJ will use it to his. (That's why the Master of Langya Pavilion gave him the information in the first place) Already you can see the wheels turning in his mind. :wink:

 

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@40somethingahjumma 6 episodes a week

29 minutes ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

Why aren't there any more episodes this week? Aren't there supposed to be 8 episodes a week? :(

 

 

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I don't know if the enemy will use the solar eclipse to their advantage but I'm more inclined to think that PJ will use it to his. (That's why the Master of Langya Pavilion gave him the information in the first place) Already you can see the wheels turning in his mind. :wink:

 

 

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@40somethingahjumma, there's only 3 days / 6 episodes a week, which is not enough for me. That's why I've been spending my time looking for spoilers for next week *lol*. Oh, the torture of waiting :D

 

PYY is crazy and has a twisted mind. I read somewhere and somebody said that he was like the Joker of Batman, and I agree. He's intelligent but crazy. 

 

Regarding my question :



Yeah, PJ can also use it for his own advantage :) . Hmmm ..perhaps the next arc will be about PJ and his role as a general in the northern border. This is gonna be interesting. 

 

@Wotad, regarding my take on this drama, I cant compare it with NIF 1 coz I havent watched it. I've tried watching it several times, a long time ago, since everyone said that it was great. Then again, because I was impatience, I took a peek on several episodes and thought that, why were they always talking? So I havent tried to watch again.

 

Then again, now I know the prod team's style, and I think I'll try to watch it again after NIF 2 is over. I love the directing, the writing, the cinematography, the atmosphere, and the ancient feel of the show. The acting and the actor are also good.  I was worried whether LHR could do well after HXM left, but he has been doing well for the past several episodes.

 

I was also affraid that it wouldnt be interesting anymore after the bromance was gone, but the story still has potentials and I'm also waiting for the progress of PJ-LX (like, how will PJ find out the truth about LX? Who will make the love confession first ? :tongue: ) . 

 

I dont watch many series, and I skip the populer ones, since I'm not interested in one with too many/overly dramatic romance. I prefer to watch one with a good storyline, good actors, or with actions/grand/big-budgeted production. If NIF 2 can maintain it's quality, then it'll become one of my favourite chinese historical (wuxia?) dramas.

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1 hour ago, rhaps said:

@40somethingahjumma, there's only 3 days / 6 episodes a week, which is not enough for me. That's why I've been spending my time looking for spoilers for next week *lol*. Oh, the torture of waiting :D .

Danggit! I didn't realise the show had been going on for a while already. :( #1 was shown just about every single day for a month and mostly two episodes a day as well. Yeah, it's torturous... :wink: but only because it's so good and addictive. Sigh. Luckily though... I have a couple of K dramas that I'm watching which are very good. They'll help me get through the weekend.

Thanks for your answer too @Wotad

 

1 hour ago, rhaps said:

 

PYY is crazy and has a twisted mind. I read somewhere and somebody said that he was like the Joker of Batman, and I agree. He's intelligent but crazy. 

 

Regarding my question :

 

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Yeah, PJ can also use it for his own advantage :) . Hmmm ..perhaps the next arc will be about PJ and his role as a general in the northern border. This is gonna be interesting. 
 

 

 

The Dark Knight parallels occurred to me as well. But I also think that PYY is an anti-Mei Chang Su also. Since you haven't watched NiF 1, it'll probably not make much sense. :wink:

Yes to your spoiler tags... :D I'm pretty sure that's what the next chapter or at least the next arc of the series will be about. Obviously there will be other developments in the palace as well with regard to the Old Prince and the young emperor. It looks the lad is very teed off with his mother. Good. At least he has some sense.

 

1 hour ago, rhaps said:

 

 

 

 

@Wotad, regarding my take on this drama, I cant compare it with NIF 1 coz I havent watched it. I've tried watching it several times, a long time ago, since everyone said that it was great. Then again, because I was impatience, I took a peek on several episodes and thought that, why were they always talking? So I havent tried to watch again.

 

Then again, now I know the prod team's style, and I think I'll try to watch it again after NIF 2 is over. I love the directing, the writing, the cinematography, the atmosphere, and the ancient feel of the show. The acting and the actor are also good.  I was worried whether LHR could do well after HXM left, but he has been doing well for the past several episodes.

 

I was also affraid that it wouldnt be interesting anymore after the bromance was gone, but the story still has potentials and I'm also waiting for the progress of PJ-LX (like, how will PJ find out the truth about LX? Who will make the love confession first ? :tongue: ) . 

 

I dont watch many series, and I skip the populer ones, since I'm not interested in one with too many/overly dramatic romance. I prefer to watch one with a good storyline, good actors, or with actions/grand/big-budgeted production. If NIF 2 can maintain it's quality, then it'll become one of my favourite chinese historical (wuxia?) dramas.

NiF#1 is a talky drama and quite political. IMO there's far more dialogue there than here. That's why I was really surprised to read comments on Viki and other places that this show started off with too much exposition. :o 

NiF#2 is more like a detective drama in the way NiF #1 was more like a caper drama almost in the vein of the Italian Job or Ocean's Eleven but without the flashy tech.:tongue: I started watching it because someone described it as a Chinese Count of Monte Cristo and I love TCoMC.  

They're both quite different in approach but share similar themes but I think I'm far more invested in the palace-Changlin family dynamic than I was in the bromances in NiF #1 (although I loved the characters dearly). It's not criticism of #1 but it was what it was. 

I also really liked the loving husband-wife relationship (which someone has already said... is so rare in C dramas) as well as the romance  between PJ and LX. I honestly didn't think that romance would be that major here but it actually turned out to be quite a significant thread.

With regards to the romance:

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I suspect that one of the reasons why PZ gave up his life for PJ is because he probably thought that he had already been blessed with so many things whereas PJ was only just beginning his life and had barely experienced it. From the things he said to LX, I think he wanted PJ, among other things... to experience the love of someone freely given. PZ had already reached the pinnacle of his career, had the respect... even grudging respect of his elders and peers. PJ hadn't even started.

 

 

I'm also interested to know what everyone's favourite arc is so far... Perhaps we could have a discussion about it.

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3 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

The Dark Knight parallels occurred to me as well. But I also think that PYY is an anti-Mei Chang Su also. Since you haven't watched NiF 1, it'll probably not make much sense. :wink:

Yes to your spoiler tags... :D I'm pretty sure that's what the next chapter or at least the next arc of the series will be about. Obviously there will be other developments in the palace as well with regard to the Old Prince and the young emperor. It looks the lad is very teed off with his mother. Good. At least he has some sense.

 

NiF#1 is a talky drama and quite political. IMO there's far more dialogue there than here. That's why I was really surprised to read comments on Viki and other places that this show started off with too much exposition. :o 

NiF#2 is more like a detective drama in the way NiF #1 was more like a caper drama almost in the vein of the Italian Job or Ocean's Eleven but without the flashy tech.:tongue: I started watching it because someone described it as a Chinese Count of Monte Cristo and I love TCoMC.  

They're both quite different in approach but share similar themes but I think I'm far more invested in the palace-Changlin family dynamic than I was in the bromances in NiF #1 (although I loved the characters dearly). It's not criticism of #1 but it was what it was. 

I also really liked the loving husband-wife relationship (which someone has already said... is so rare in C dramas) as well as the romance  between PJ and LX. I honestly didn't think that romance would be that major here but it actually turned out to be quite a significant thread.

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I suspect that one of the reasons why PZ gave up his life for PJ is because he probably thought that he had already been blessed with so many things whereas PJ was only just beginning his life and had barely experienced it. From the things he said to LX, I think he wanted PJ, among other things... to experience the love of someone freely given. PZ had already reached the pinnacle of his career, had the respect... even grudging respect of his elders and peers. PJ hadn't even started.

 

Ahhh, no wonder than I got clicked into NIF 2 quicker than 1. I like detective dramas and I dont like slow-paced ones. Well, let's see what I'll think when I try to watch NIF 1 again. I've heard some people saying that PYY is MCS in evil version, so I'm kinda curious to see how he devises strategies. 

 

Regarding the romance, perhaps I'm interested because PJ-LX's relationship felt natural , but still has things to be excited for (such as : we are half-way in the drama and PJ still doesnt know who she really is. Has he ever thought that she has the same surname as his fiancee?) . Plus, it's just cute to see them interacting with opposite characters. I miss the moments when PJ teased her and she just left ackwardly / bashfully. Now that PJ has become quite, I wonder who will make the first moves? :tongue:

 

Regarding the romance in the spoiler tag, awww..that is so touching but sad :( .  

 

 


PZ's love really makes it hard for PJ to move on. How could you live happily, knowing that your loving family sincerely love you and sacrifice for your happiness ? I really miss their bromance.
 

 

 

3 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

I'm also interested to know what everyone's favourite arc is so far... Perhaps we could have a discussion about it.

My fave arcs are the shinking ships and PYY. Then again, PYY arc is also annoying, because of the sadness that it causes, so I'll choose the shinking ships as my top fave. 

 

The shinking ship is the first arc. That is basically the introduction of the characters and the NIF 2 universe. I like it because the case looked simple at first, but it turned out to be related to deeper schemes and conspiracies. Things seem to be interesting and fun, the case still has it's surprises, and the main characters are all in their best times. Even Yuanqi is still in his noble self.  

 

PYY arc is actually more complex and more interesting. We have followed PYY since the beginning of the show, watched him making strategies and manipulating people. He is very clever and thoughtful, and I honestly think that the only one who can be his equal adversary is PZ (or an experienced mode of PJ, but he isnt, yet). The case also involves more parties, with bigger effects than the shinking ships. I just dont have the heart to choose it as my favourite because of the great sadness that it causes to my fave characters. Well, let's say that I prefer a happier one, for the sake of rewatch :tongue: .

 

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4 hours ago, rhaps said:

Ahhh, no wonder than I got clicked into NIF 2 quicker than 1. I like detective dramas and I dont like slow-paced ones. Well, let's see what I'll think when I try to watch NIF 1 again. I've heard some people saying that PYY is MCS in evil version, so I'm kinda curious to see how he devises strategies.

 

 

Until I watched #2, there was very little doubt in my mind that NiF was the best C drama that I've ever watched and one of the best dramas I've ever watched in any language. I would recommend that you try again and persevere through the myriad of characters and dialogue. It's a little confusing at the beginning but once you get acquainted with the characters and how they're connected, it gets easier. My favourite part are the 30s onwards right to the end. That's when the brilliance of MCS reaches its peak and one sees everything coming together at last. 

 

4 hours ago, rhaps said:

 

My fave arcs are the shinking ships and PYY. Then again, PYY arc is also annoying, because of the sadness that it causes, so I'll choose the shinking ships as my top fave. 

 

 

Don't you think the entire first part is 

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PYY's arc? :wink: Although it's not known at first but gradually it becomes clear that he's practically behind just about every nasty occurrence.

 

Like you, I'm very fond of the sinking ships arc especially as an intro to the Changlin family and to the fact that all is not well in Liang. That while the Changlin family are a talented, loyal, upright clan, they are feared as much as they are loved. The fight scenes are great and I love that bit where DTZ whips out his ginormous needles and flings them in the direction of Magistrate Zhang, Yuanqi, JP and LX. It's a great sequence that shows off in no uncertain terms PJ's skill. I also like it for how it demonstrates PJ's acumen and observation skills that he's still in the process of honing. Some people complain that there was too much exposition and while I manage to work it all out before he did his Hercule Poirot shtick, it's important for his character to broadcast his talents.

 

But my favourite would be the epidemic arc. It has a strong sense of urgency and it's good to see at least for a time and to some degree political adversaries reaching out across the divide and working together for the common good. Sure, Grand Sec Xun does his bit for the Empress behind the scenes but even he knows that he can't get the job without Pingzhang's help. At least he is politically astute and expedient enough to be able to do that much. The empress is a lost cause. She doesn't even know how to play politics.

Also, I'm super fond of PJ and LX's blossoming romance even though I didn't watch this for the romance and this arc has plenty of PJ and LX goodness. It's nice to see that all of PJ's efforts... just really him being him... finally make inroads into LX's heart.

 

As for PJ's future

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Yes, while it might be hard to move on, he can't continue living in guilt as that will poison him but he can, however, live positively in gratitude for what he has been given and treasure what advantages he enjoys while he can, knowing that there are no guarantees in life.

 

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