[Chinese Webseries 2016] Heroin Web Series 上癮网络剧

[ayasdai]

Sorry, but....

Prepare my fellow beloved Addicted fans: Page 300 is approaching in light speed. 

Also prepare for @thoron fabulous post about it 

[bbiribbabba]

OMG, I just watched the last interview and it's so sad!!!! He's probably having some struggle to deal with this "celebrity schedule" now. 

[gayyoxx]

26 minutes ago, sohocomo said:

More psychological analysis:

(Disclaimer - I am more knowledgeable in aspects of Korean culture than Chinese culture, but from what I have observed the following theory crosses the cultures.)

JY is the 'older brother' based on his age. Because of this, ZZ should, and does, treat JY with a sense of respect and deference to an extent.

At the same time, ZZ has worked in this area of entertainment longer and more than JY, making ZZ the senior experience wise. 

Thus, they cancel each other out, leading to an 'equality' between them. If they did not understand themselves to be equal, then it would be more likely that their interactions, conscious and subconscious, would be full of 'power struggle' actions. We can see that those actions are very,very rare between the two.

(I've actually had a story I plan to write in my head for almost a year based on this theory. (Have to finish the one I'm currently working on first.) I just came to realize today that it actually fits JY/ZZ.)

This is a very interesting observation, @sohocomo, which I have failed to understand before because my lack of knowledge on Chinese culture of seniority. Thank you! If you are interested to write more on this, I'd be happy to read it!  

One question which is nagging on my mind: I found their interaction to be on equal basis, as you have said. But as far as I know, both of them appear to "give". During their interactions (in BTS, fan meeting, interviews) I see Johnny is more aggressive and sometime has sudden burst of aggression but he is also very considerate to Zhouzhou. Zhouzhou apparently accepted Johnny's sudden burst of aggression with patience and does not "demand" anything in return.

This makes their relationship so sweet watching them makes my teeth ache  but at the same time, I (as a sceptic) find it hard to believe. There must be points where they "demand" something from the other? Or maybe this is also influenced by their culture?

What is your take on this? 

[WeLoveSoompi]

WOW 300 page xD  ! congratss

 

Gu hai BLY  you're so #Addicted

[chlorox]

44 minutes ago, sohocomo said:

They appear a little bent too - just away from each other instead of spooning.

(Spooning...spooning...I feel a ridiculous analogy coming...) They're a knife and fork! Alike in that they're both eating utensils, they work well together, but you don't put them on top of each other in the drawer! 

Holy c**p! Where did that come from?!?!?!?

 

So no topping each other??? *gasp*

[joycemay]

Watching Jing yu's interview and the sad song ....cry bucket!

[ryansparks1982]

Seriously, that song Jingyu sang. Heartbreaking. Those emotions. Its like watching Guhai and BLY breaking up all over again. 

[looperstar]

22 minutes ago, gayyoxx said:

This is a very interesting observation, @sohocomo, which I have failed to understand before because my lack of knowledge on Chinese culture of seniority. Thank you! If you are interested to write more on this, I'd be happy to read it!  

One question which is nagging on my mind: I found their interaction to be on equal basis, as you have said. But as far as I know, both of them appear to "give". During their interactions (in BTS, fan meeting, interviews) I see Johnny is more aggressive and sometime has sudden burst of aggression but he is also very considerate to Zhouzhou. Zhouzhou apparently accepted Johnny's sudden burst of aggression with patience and does not "demand" anything in return.

This makes their relationship so sweet watching them makes my teeth ache  but at the same time, I (as a sceptic) find it hard to believe. There must be points where they "demand" something from the other? Or maybe this is also influenced by their culture?

What is your take on this? 

Two possible points where one is personal and the other is cultural. However, can I make some points on the cultural one?

 

AFAIK, in some Asian cultures, there are same-sex couples accepted and at times tolerated. However, there seems to be a trend. Of the couple, one is more aggressive and the other is more receptive or submissive. This can range from mentor-mentee relationships to actual loving couples (at least in the pre-Hispanic Philippine Indigenous culture).

 

While these are pre-Western colonization era culture, we should be reminded with the possibility of societal memory which are further engrained into individuals centuries removed from the actual exercise of said culture. This is one of the possible explanations behind what we are seeing.

 

I hope I make sense and please do not kill me. Haha

[Devine.Integrity]

Can anyone confirm this for me. My friend told me that JY said he prefers “Westerners/European” look? He apparently said that was his type when he had an interview with ZZ, CW, and LFS.

I went to Johnny’s instagram to check who he is following and he is following so many beautiful Caucasians bikini/nude models. I didn’t know that was his type They are so lucky to get JY’s follow >_<

[sohocomo]

15 minutes ago, gayyoxx said:

This is a very interesting observation, @sohocomo, which I have failed to understand before because my lack of knowledge on Chinese culture of seniority. Thank you! If you are interested to write more on this, I'd be happy to read it!  

One question which is nagging on my mind: I found their interaction to be on equal basis, as you have said. But as far as I know, both of them appear to "give". During their interactions (in BTS, fan meeting, interviews) I see Johnny is more aggressive and sometime has sudden burst of aggression but he is also very considerate to Zhouzhou. Zhouzhou apparently accepted Johnny's sudden burst of aggression with patience and does not "demand" anything in return.

This makes their relationship so sweet watching them makes my teeth ache  but at the same time, I (as a sceptic) find it hard to believe. There must be points where they "demand" something from the other? Or maybe this is also influenced by their culture?

What is your take on this? 

I think that is where the sense of equality comes in. It's not so much a cultural inclination, but a human one. When two people enter into a relationship with each other, whether it be just friendship or something more, they tend to be more forgiving and upholding with each other.

For example: my best friend and I. There are times she will do something completely insane, usually in public. If any of my other friends, or someone I really don't know, did those same things, I'd be really p*ssed at them. But with M, I just laugh it off. Why? Because I love her. She's my best friend, my kindred sister. True, we've known each other 28 years and that amount of time has forged an amazing bond between us, but even when we had only known each other for a short time it was like this. I am older than her (by about 6 months), but her life experiences have been more challenging than mine in many ways. I'm older, she's wiser. We are very equal.

I think what we see from JY/ZZ is very much like this. They don't demand anything from each other, because they only want to give. From my own personal experience, when I care about someone, the only thing I want to demand of them is that they accept the love I want to give to them. Not just romantically, but also with my family and friends. I don't feel superior or lesser towards someone because of this. I want to give to them, because when they are full so am I. (Another way to say this might be "I give so I can take, they take so they can give.") From what I see, JY/ZZ can be described this way - kindred spirits with an abiding affection for each other (if for no other reason than the show threw them together into this wild celebrity). Whether that affection comes from a place of friendship, brotherhood, or more I will not attempt to determine. What I can say, with confidence, is that when I watch the two of them interacting with each other, I feel I am watching two people who are connected in ways no other person can truly understand. 

[Payton Tanner]

Please, keep continuing this deep analysis of their relationship. I find the relationships defined by Asian culture fascinating within themselves. But this, THIS I am just soaking up!! 

[looperstar]

9 minutes ago, sohocomo said:

I think that is where the sense of equality comes in. It's not so much a cultural inclination, but a human one. When two people enter into a relationship with each other, whether it be just friendship or something more, they tend to be more forgiving and upholding with each other.

For example: my best friend and I. There are times she will do something completely insane, usually in public. If any of my other friends, or someone I really don't know, did those same things, I'd be really p*ssed at them. But with M, I just laugh it off. Why? Because I love her. She's my best friend, my kindred sister. True, we've known each other 28 years and that amount of time has forged an amazing bond between us, but even when we had only known each other for a short time it was like this. I am older than her (by about 6 months), but her life experiences have been more challenging than mine in many ways. I'm older, she's wiser. We are very equal.

I think what we see from JY/ZZ is very much like this. They don't demand anything from each other, because they only want to give. From my own personal experience, when I care about someone, the only thing I want to demand of them is that they accept the love I want to give to them. Not just romantically, but also with my family and friends. I don't feel superior or lesser towards someone because of this. I want to give to them, because when they are full so am I. (Another way to say this might be "I give so I can take, they take so they can give.") From what I see, JY/ZZ can be described this way - kindred spirits with an abiding affection for each other (if for no other reason than the show threw them together into this wild celebrity). Whether that affection comes from a place of friendship, brotherhood, or more I will not attempt to determine. What I can say, with confidence, is that when I watch the two of them interacting with each other, I feel I am watching two people who are connected in ways no other person can truly understand. 

This is based on the assumption that the person (ZZ) involved is altruistic in nature, which in this case the acceptance of JY's nature without asking anything in return despite spending resources (this time the abstract resource such as patience) to deal with such behavior. While others exercise this behavior with the hopes of future reciprocation (in humans that includes friends and strangers), this criterion is quite difficult to quantify at this point. Therefore, that altruistic behavior we are seeing is interesting for it is typically reserved (across biological species) towards family and mates. Yup, those mates you see as couples.

 

We can therefore conclude that the ship sails.

God, I hope I made sense.

 

[thoron]

Happy 300th PAGE guys!!! 

(yes newcomers, it's a thing. we greet each other every 100 page. in case you didn't get the memo. we're crazy here )

See 100th here and 200th here

it feels like there's truly NO RETREAT NO SURRENDER in our ADDICTION.

 

Cheers to an amazing run, our most BLOCKBUSTER yet!

Our noble pioneers @skeletonworks and @alvinboi are probably tired of hearing my praises and accolades so instead i'll remind them of their 'thirsty' moments:

skeletonworks: I WISH I WAS THAT TREE!!!!

alvinboi: I pray to see their package in full. Lol.

I didn't make that up, those are their words. One is willing to be a tree just to receive a hug from ZhouZhou and the other just went straight for the jackpot prize. Proving that they lead the pack when it comes to being "addicted"

 

So, to lurkers and observers, beware.

Heed @ariafoxx wise words: "it's bad.... for your mental health Runnn....runnn...before it's too late"

...

Barely days away from our 200th page when we got our first taste of a photoshoot.
We all died that day from pure bliss only to be reborn the next day with more happiness as translations, interviews, images, of that photoshoot came flooding in. Little did we know that its just the first of many "happy deaths" to come.

To the many updaters like @samscheetah @ryokise @lightyears @elppa @nedaaa Thank you. You're the gifs that keep on giffing. (sorry, i agree that's corny hehe)

 

Happy to report that TRANSLATORS are no longer a rarity. I personally thank @alvinboi @mchansk07

@hryy @kakelet @tea4two and newest addition @fingersandpaws (MengQiQi reprezent!) for their efforts I hope all of you know how important you are to us who haven't read the book. I mean how else would we know that GuHai has 5-FIVE FINGERS Thick D!Ck without you guys. Lol

 

Special thanks to @Tin Le @Tin Le who blessed this thread with the BLUE BRIEF BULGE. And to @guhai and @gayyoxx whose fanfics breathe life to the fantasies already playing in our heads.

 

I also applaud the likes of @gashupingo , auntie @sohocomo, @hellolive, @leemicho, @chistarr, @jemmaca, @porcelainwhite, @Lester Gordula and many more who elevate the level of discussion to intellectual discourse. Now who dare says we are just bunch of thirsty h0rny fans ogling cute boys.

 

In other news, Moderators, including a FAKE one, and YouTuber @itsandyroo graced our pages..

Speaking of pages.. (Ugh) Before, To miss a single day would mean 3 piled-up pages to read. Now, it's 10 or more.  20 on a really good day. Just ask @levin.

 

With 300 pages behind, I actually feel old when i see posts by once-upon-a-time-babylurkers turned serial posters like

@aeislaeigh @ayasdai @dahai

 

Looking back, it was such a BUSY 100 Pages. Almost overwhelming to a point. In between photoshoots are Issue after Issue emerging: the "unholy" pairing of ChaiJidan and ZhouZhou aka ZhouJi which was eventually dismissed by ZZ's Leonardo DiCaprio post; Johnny's smugness and overconfidence or the lack thereof, Instagram mermen, weightloss issues, sexuality debate; Crying Guhai Audio Leak, Season 2 Actor Replacements, DVD release, and many more.

 

But for good thing or bad, one clear sign that this thread has "LEVEL'D UP" is..

 

DRAMA!

 

Thats right. Drama in already 'dramatic' thread about a BL Drama Series. (Inception! )

*Carefully chooses words so as not to summon MODS..*

You know, this recurring scenario where one particular user, he/she who must not be named continues to showcase his/her "headstrong" opinion about our boys and his/her preference for another series and his/her incessant "eagerness" to remind as of it.

Understandably, it garnered a "response" from most of our mates here, ranging from the direct approach by @shuwei , to the take-the-higher-road method by @pureblade, or the WorldPeace vibe by @Petrova, to the diplomatic stance b@guhai, and then some hehe..

 

It made me think..

 

Has our ADDICTION turned to OBSESSION???

..that we're so absorbed in the fandom that a mere mention of another show is blasphemy of the highest order??

..that we're so consumed by our PASSION for the Novel, its Characters, the Show, the Actors, etc. that we will all jump on somebody who has a  differing opinion and tear him/her apart??

..or that we're so convinced that GuHai/JingYu, BaiLouYin/ZhouZhou are pure perfection that not only do we claim that we'd be perfect for each other, but anyone who proposes otherwise or "counterattacks" with a different pair of cute boys deserves the  almighty "fruckoff" aka the report button??

...

 

To the uninitiated and ill-informed: Maybe. But to me and everyone familiar with this thread: No.

The reason why the aforementioned members above and users like @Ariodante @looperstar @mctmy8 @joycemay have  valiantly expressed their stance is because like everyone else..

WE ALL WANT TO PRESERVE THE THREAD AS IT IS..

A FRIENDLY, HEALTHY, WELCOMING, FUN-LOVING THREAD.. devoid of any negativity, (no matter how subtle or sneaky.)

This thread has especially become a HOME to us.
And to be protective of one's HOME is only NATURAL.

Where else can you find a COMMUNITY of like-minded people that GETS YOU and CELEBRATES something you LOVE as much as you do.

Sure, our ADDICTION is in VARYING DEGREES. But to be in a crowd of witty, fun-loving, beautiful folks as HUNGRY for updates as you are? that's just plain REWARDING.

..And maybe, just maybe, a cause of jealousy for others.

 

So lets all be more understanding guys. And  for them haters (or in my opinion undercover fans)

here's a GUHAI HAIRFLIP for you:

(its technically not a hair-flip but i looks like one, so. hehe.)

 

Let move past the DRAMA. And let's focus on the things truly worthy of CELEBRATING:
Like this one:

 

Ah, but you guys probably have that on your phones or attached to your walls already.

 

In summation, with all those issues and happenings, and flipflopping of  emotions,

THE ROAD TO 300 WAS SUCH A CRAZY RIDE riddled with both happiness and sadness, mixing fear and excitement..

Now if only i can describe it in one word..

 

 

Yep. that's definitely how it felt like. PAIN and PLEASURE rolled into one. LOL.

And lest i forget..

 

I could only imagine what the road to 400 would be like..

But When JOHNNY himself is driving Our SHIP, what else is there to do but RIDE..

 

Again, Cheers!

Happy 300th PAGE guys!!! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[chistarr]

3 hours ago, thoron said:

Happy 300th PAGE guys!!! 

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I also applaud the likes of @gashupingo , auntie @sohocomo, @hellolive, @leemicho, @chistarr, @jemmaca, @porcelainwhite, @Lester Gordula and many more who elevate the level of discussion to intellectual discourse. Now who dare says we are just bunch of thirsty h0rny fans oggling cute boys.

 

Haha!!! this 'aunty' thanks you for the mention! Although I think you meant that for sohocomo? lol. happy 300th page to you too!!!!

[sohocomo]

1 hour ago, gayyoxx said:

This is a very interesting observation, @sohocomo, which I have failed to understand before because my lack of knowledge on Chinese culture of seniority. Thank you! If you are interested to write more on this, I'd be happy to read it!  

@gayyoxx  Personal teaser for you...

This story is a noona/dongsaeng friendship where the dongsaeng is boss and noona is his secretary, and how this equality between them effects family/business/social aspects. I originally thought of it as a KDrama, so my plan is to write it in 'episode style.' But I need to finish Painted Promises first. Though I have 2 other stories I'm thinking to add to it to make a trilogy, so I'll have to see where my mind is when PP is done. (I should have chapters 6 & 7 up by Sunday, maybe even 8 & 9  - the aftermath and Tim arrives  - but I have to find my way out of this thread first )

[ryan88]

Woow page 300 !!!!! Woow... congratulations guys and thank you. 

 

Still no recent pic bout zhouzhou in Korea ?

[chistarr]

1 hour ago, gayyoxx said:

This is a very interesting observation, @sohocomo, which I have failed to understand before because my lack of knowledge on Chinese culture of seniority. Thank you! If you are interested to write more on this, I'd be happy to read it!  

One question which is nagging on my mind: I found their interaction to be on equal basis, as you have said. But as far as I know, both of them appear to "give". During their interactions (in BTS, fan meeting, interviews) I see Johnny is more aggressive and sometime has sudden burst of aggression but he is also very considerate to Zhouzhou. Zhouzhou apparently accepted Johnny's sudden burst of aggression with patience and does not "demand" anything in return.

This makes their relationship so sweet watching them makes my teeth ache  but at the same time, I (as a sceptic) find it hard to believe. There must be points where they "demand" something from the other? Or maybe this is also influenced by their culture?

What is your take on this? 

What I like about their relationship is the mutual respect they have for each other, and the feeling that they can rely on each other. The forced closeness from having them sleep together during filming really did wonders for their friendship. I get the feeling that if either one were to be demanding, the other would give in fairly easily (although I kind of see JY giving in more to be honest; he seems almost like GH in that respect, with how much he adores ZZ)

[Petrova]

36 minutes ago, thoron said:

 

Happy 300th PAGE guys!!! 

You just made my day after gloomy morning because of Johnny's cover. Thank Youuu!!!! 

HAPPY 300TH PAGE!!!!! 

[sohocomo]

24 minutes ago, thoron said:

Happy 300th PAGE guys!!! 

@thoron If I was a little less technologically challenged, auntie would place here a video of Rod Stewart singing "Have I Told You Lately That I Love You" 

Your wit is one of the "grand" things about this thread, one of the many many "grand things" about this thread. 

[Guest skeletonworks]

Thanks everyone for contributing and joining in the discussion!

*had to crop Johnny because he soooo hates dancing or anything that needs shaking the body lol*