[Chinese Webseries 2016] Heroin Web Series 上癮网络剧

[notovernuest]

I love how crazily active this thread is. I keep attempting to read all of the pages, but I don't know if I'll ever finish. I guess I need to dedicate a weekend to catch up. This thread is a lifesaver for translations though.  The waiting has me actually translating the novel with google translate to read the chapters everyone hasn't gotten to yet. XD I'm impatient.

 

I feel so bad for Timmy though. :C At the same time I feel like I'm one level of separation closer to him since I literally just met One Ok Rock at one of their concerts 4 days ago. It's nice to have something in common with him.

[dramacrayz]

1 hour ago, htuvecila said:

My personal thought regarding what could happen if there is SS2. Warning: Its very very negative lol.

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1. At this rate I do not wish they have ss2 at all. Too much risk and negative buzz against all the actors, especially YZ.

2. Even if the series is not about BL, a lot of producers and actors still don't take web series seriously, especially those "idolic" series (series with idols acting which don't have much plot except the lavish look and lovebird story etc.). For now it's no harm to be an idol who act in a web series but keep doing so restricts their career as it deepens people's impression on you. They should find a real and bigger opportunity as soon as they can. 

3. BL is not a theme that anyone would like to be too attached to if they still want to hit big in cbiz. It can make you famous but as soon as you are famous, better run away from it to save yourself. I don't think I need further explaination for this. Its not only the government but it's the common mindset of majority audiences in China. Most of them still don't accept BL.

4. Even if they film and show in Taiwan, get support there, Taiwan is still a much smaller market than China. Its not worth throwing the whole career in China just to be active in Taiwan and South East Asia. Also do not forget they come from mainland China, being banned in their own country is not something that can be sacrificed.

5. China can ban anything and anyone. If there is someone that works bts trying to lift the ban there would also be someone who tries to keep the ban (competitors, etc.). Everything is under censorship in China so don't even try to argue the valid reason for every rule and regulation. I did mention Tang Wei and Brad Pitt in one of my previous posts as the examples of how ridiculous the ban is.

6. Making ss2 is like "repeating the crime" in some sense. I don't want them to have any risk, even the smallest. A lot of other remarkable BL series like "Like Love" and "Counter Attack" has halted their production for the next season. There are still more BL series in the making, however, as soon as they make some impacts the team has to stop.

7. The more high profiled the artist is, the more symphathy and support he gets from the audiences. Huge and Wallace Huo can create bromance in iqiyi gala night without any problem. There is even plane painted their chibi together lol. So for the sake of YZ's friendship, bromance, romance, whatever it is, they have to build their individual career first. 

 

Personally, I don't think the negative buzz around JY & ZZ is particularly bad. I mean the fans are supportive of their Addicted work. It is the regulators that are clamping them, which only makes the fanbase grow even bigger. As for the negative buzz around ZZ, the lyrics incident is not too big to handle as compared to, say, a scandal or fund embezzlement. I think ZZ can definitely pull through as he learns to be more cautious in the future.

As for Addicted Season 2, IF the company decides to film it in Taiwan, I think it will not necessarily mean that the actors will be developing their career in Taiwan, and that they will lose all their fans in China. JY & ZZ will most likely want to have their career in China as the market is bigger there. Also, fans being fans, it won't stop them from going crazy over them even if they film in Taiwan. I think Taiwan will merely be a convenient film location IF the company films there. I'm very optimistic that Season 2 will surely go on as their popularity continue to grow despite the regulatory restrictions. *disclaimer: no official confirmation*

My concern here is whether the rest of the novel will be condensed into Season 2. As we know, Volume 2 of the novel has more unachievable elements like the use of military aircraft. Changes to storyline might happen. As the Chinese film authority SAFRT bans homosexual content (and POSSIBLY restricts the actors' participation in variety shows), management of JY & ZZ might decide to get their career onto the regular track and hopefully get them off the regulatory body's radar. It is highly impossible for them to advance in their career in Mainland China if their fanmeets, shows and interviews are so-called 'fujoshi-centric', even though I hope that they will still embrace their Addicted CP-identity in fanmeets outside of China. So, with these factors in mind, I am GUESSING that the series might stop at Season 2. *disclaimer: no official confirmation*

I think China has never had such a huge craze over a BL story before, chalking up millions of views on video websites and topping popularity charts surpassing TFBoys. I (and possibly many potential investors) am closely watching how SARFT will handle this phenonmenon. BL fanbase is very real and diverse. It is not simply a show. People across the globe are willing to fly into China just to catch their CP idols. It is something that can draw a surge in popularity and dollars for China tourism if there is a rather open regulatory environment, and a storm of criticism if there is a complete shutdown. So, I think the YuZhouWave 瑜洲浪潮 is something worth watching as we continue to wait for Addicted Season 2.

[kmmyzz]

Hopefully he'll be better in no time, also hoping that the plagiarism matter won't affect his appearance in Thailand fanmeeting. These boys really can't be happy even for awhile, there will always be news or rumors that seemed to take all of their smiles

Sorry my maternal instincts are overflowing now, I really want to give ZZ some warm hugs to make him feel better, especially since I'm as big as a panda xD

[Petrova]

Some quick update

ZhouZhou's manager has update his/her weibo.....

I don't know what it mean, can anyone translated it??

 

 

[xix19xix]

37 minutes ago, kmmyzz said:

What is he doing... I'm so curious of what he's up to these days. Even his manager didn't go in weibo. ZZs nickname is Weibo Fairy as he comes in a lot, to see him avoiding weibo for 2 days is very worrying ;; hopefully he has the strength to go against this plagiarism rumors, he's totally affected by it.

Also JY pls lend your shoulders for him to cry on, you know he needs you the most (delulu mode: on)

 

I suspect they need to lie low for now. ZZ and JY are both disappearing from weibo. Not posting at all even after so many pleas from fans. They will be fine if they stay this way and get out of the limelight in China. I say until their next production so that they can leave Addicted behind. So relax.

It also looks like they won't have many work commitments until the Bangkok FM. ZZ has one on the 9th according to his agent. So we are into a lull period...

Nevertheless, it's nice that outside of China, we can still ship them. On weibo, there is an implicit understanding not to CP them from now on. CP = couple in Mainland.

Will this change in time? Maybe we need to wait for 8 years like the novel... Personally, I still hope for a Korean FM... but can it ever happen?

[kmmyzz]

28 minutes ago, Petrova said:

Some quick update

ZhouZhou's manager has update his/her weibo.....

I don't know what it mean, can anyone translated it??

 

Edit 3: ZZ's schedule on 9th should probably go on (I got the wrong info on twitter, sorry!)

Edit: Apparently there are many bad rumors going around regarding ZZ, the latest would be his lyrics 'plagiarism'.

Edit 2: He's supposed to fly to Shenzhen on 8th and has a music show schedule on 9th, I wonder if these schedules are still on? Also, the live stream for L'Officiel should be done in Beijing, no? Or does the staff will fly to Shenzhen as well (say if he's staying in Shenzhen for a couple of days)

[Cynnamin]

I think I saw something about BDSM and dom/sub relationship. Got to say, don't misinterpret it for what you see in FSOG, it is completely not the same. Even most manga writers depict it wrongly due to the lack of knowledge in it. An D/S relationship can range from many points and can go from mild to extreme depending on the people. In SS1, there is no doubt that there is some elements of it but it is barely there. Gu Hai has a very domineering attitude and personality but Lou Yin doesn't depict any submissive tendencies even in the book. I guess as pointed out by @sohocomo, it is more about acceptance & giving in some way. 

I have to say that most people see BDSM as bad because of the powerplay and the submission of one person to another. But it is more that than, it requires absolute trust that the person you are with is not going to abuse that trust and submission. As a BDSM writer myself, I find it heartbreaking when people misinterpret the lifestyle. 

[Solferine]

ZZ's manager says that a temporary rest will lead to even better results, and that the livestream has been pushed to April 9th. She's encouraging ZZ's fans to work hard and vote in the meanwhile.

[poetato]

10 minutes ago, kmmyzz said:

Hopefully he'll be better in no time, also hoping that the plagiarism matter won't affect his appearance in Thailand fanmeeting. These boys really can't be happy even for awhile, there will always be news or rumors that seemed to take all of their smiles

Sorry my maternal instincts are overflowing now, I really want to give ZZ some warm hugs to make him feel better, especially since I'm as big as a panda xD

you are not the only one, i want to wrap both ZZ and JY in a fuzzy blanket and give them a hot chocolate and lull them to sleep so they can rest and take a break from everything. i can only hope that their management is in the process of making a new strategy or something to help with the boys

[htuvecila]

14 minutes ago, kmmyzz said:

ZZ will do the live stream on 9th April instead of today

No, on schedule ZZ was supposed to have 3 lives in 2nd, 5th and 9th. These are the necessary promotion activities for the album to be released. Without proper promotion the album sales will drop definitely. 2 out of 3 have been cancelled. 

ZZ MIA for 2 days. "XWZ plagiarism" has been trending 2 days (it is still trending now), drawn too much negative buzz and comment in weibo. Some posts about this topic have over 3-4k comments, top comments (mostly negative comments) have over 1k upvotes. It's not common for a newbie at all. China is a very big happening country so not many topics can keep being on trend for that long. I have no choice but to worry about ZZ's future projects such as movies too.

I hope he makes use of this time to change lyrics or record the new song tho..

[_Nao_]

Zhouzhou's schedule has suffered from so much cancellation at the beginning of this month

2/4: live singing on a show [Cancelled]

5/4: Lofficiel photoshoot, live through app [Cancelled]

8/4: Fight from Beijing to Shenzhen

9/4: Attend a music award show in Shenzhen

Then Thailand fanmeeting on 17/4 (Flight to Thai in 15/4, back to China in midnight 17- morning 18/4)

[kmmyzz]

2 minutes ago, htuvecila said:

No, on schedule ZZ was supposed to have 3 lives in 2nd, 5th and 9th. These are the necessary promotion activities for the album to be released. Without proper promotion the album sales will drop definitely. 2 out of 3 have been cancelled. 

ZZ MIA for 2 days. "XWZ plagiarism" has been trending 2 days (it is still trending now), drawn too much negative buzz and comment in weibo. Some posts about this topic have over 3-4k comments, top comments (mostly negative comments) have over 1k upvotes. It's not common for a newbie at all. China is a very big happening country so not many topics can keep being on trend for that long. I have no choice but to worry about ZZ's future projects such as movies too.

He's also scheduled to fly to Shenzhen on 8th, right? I wonder if that got cancelled as well. Seeing this pattern, I think he's trying to push back of his album release and fix the problem first, which is why he went MIA. 

He also started to have many bad rumors after rumor of him dating CJD came out. Some of his fans became his anti, and they spread many bad stories. I guess that's how artists in China have to deal every single time? This is my first time ever focusing on artists in China, so I know a little about their entertainment industry

[Petrova]

22 minutes ago, kmmyzz said:

ZZ will do the live stream on 9th April instead of today

Edit: Apparently there are many bad rumors going around regarding ZZ, the latest would be his lyrics 'plagiarism'.

Edit 2: He's supposed to fly to Shenzhen on 8th and has a music show schedule on 9th, I wonder if these schedules are still on? Also, the live stream for L'Officiel should be done in Beijing, no? Or does the staff will fly to Shenzhen as well (say if he's staying in Shenzhen for a couple of days)

Well, i'm slightly relieved that it wasn't bad as I expected, because I'm starting to think the rumours is true. Could it be Zhouzhou really depressed from recently bad news that hit him? 

It just so sad to see someone so smiley, happy, and bright like Zhouzhou has so many enemies that want to bring him down  

[WeLoveSoompi]

CR: oosheun

Johnny!

 

[Kim Soo-Lee]

Taking some chill out time is a good step. It'll give ZZ some time to relax and de-stress and hopefully the dust will settle on what's been happening over the past few days.

[sohocomo]

36 minutes ago, Cynnamin said:

I think I saw something about BDSM and dom/sub relationship. Got to say, don't misinterpret it for what you see in FSOG, it is completely not the same. Even most manga writers depict it wrongly due to the lack of knowledge in it. An D/S relationship can range from many points and can go from mild to extreme depending on the people. In SS1, there is no doubt that there is some elements of it but it is barely there. Gu Hai has a very domineering attitude and personality but Lou Yin doesn't depict any submissive tendencies even in the book. I guess as pointed out by @sohocomo, it is more about acceptance & giving in some way. 

I have to say that most people see BDSM as bad because of the powerplay and the submission of one person to another. But it is more that than, it requires absolute trust that the person you are with is not going to abuse that trust and submission. As a BDSM writer myself, I find it heartbreaking when people misinterpret the lifestyle. 

Ah, a like mind 

The part I highlighted - thank you for that point specifically. I always forget to mention the point of trust, which, at least to me, is the most important aspect in this type of relationship. (EDIT: which is what drives me crazy with myself when I forget to say it )

Edited April 5, 2016 by sohocomo

[htuvecila]

26 minutes ago, kmmyzz said:

He's also scheduled to fly to Shenzhen on 8th, right? I wonder if that got cancelled as well. Seeing this pattern, I think he's trying to push back of his album release and fix the problem first, which is why he went MIA. 

The 3rd live event is at Shenzhen, which means 2 out of 3 have been cancelled for now.

One good thing is JY won't be affected due to the ban rumor or anything. Everything from the start till now only aimed for ZZ. Bad rumors against him started as early as Shangyin is aired, with high frequency. I saw comments on weibo saying they haven't watched Shangyin but among the two JY has better image, they don't know who ZZ is but keep reading all scandals about him make them totally lose interest in him. 

ZZ's old friends (members of PROME) were so upset and saddened by this latest scandals. ZZ was their leader who was so talented in making music and being so supportive to them. They shared sweet memory of eating cheap chicken snack at night during their rehearsal etc and have been gone through hard work together (although ZZ comes from a well off family), been bullied together by others just because they were too young at that time. IRYE was written and arranged by ZZ when he was 17 years old, it's just a demo at that time, seems like ZZ purposely took those 3 lines to express his own feeling coz who would throw all the work of that song away just for a piece of lyrics.They also said no matter how challenging and even stormy the world becomes, they hope ZZ never forgets his first and primary dream and still keeps being the honest and brave man who can stand on his feet. 

Last time during his scandal with CJD, two of his friends from university time (the ones ZZ took photo with recently and uploaded in his weibo) also stood up for him. These two actually debuted before ZZ and have some popularity too. If ZZ is not a good person I don't think that many old friends respect and want to protect him that much tbh.

[Cynnamin]

17 minutes ago, sohocomo said:

Ah, a like mind 

The part I highlighted - thank you for that point specifically. I always forget to mention the point of trust, which, at least to me, is the most important aspect in this type of relationship. (EDIT: which is what drives me crazy with myself when I forget to say it )

True that, it is an important aspect to the relationship but I find that the lifestyle itself is so indepth that it can't be explained properly in just a single post. I love the BDSM lifestyle because of the way it is and I have to say, the story of Addicted - barely touched on it at all. 

[gayyoxx]

I think ZZ does need to take some time off from the hate in weibo. He might use this break for rest, recording new songs or gather his confidence again. Having friends with bubbly personality, once they got hurt enough and the bubble pops, it needs time and care to get back to how they were used to be before the unfortunate events. If he go out on public and somehow he is shown to have significant (negative) changes oh himself, that would just make the enemies win, imho.

This is an important stage on ZZ's development, not only as an actor/singer but as a human being. He might have existential crisis atm, asking "why do I do this?", "is it worth it?", "what am I trying to achieve?", "is this the future that I want?" etc and that's good because he was essentially swept away by waves of uncontrollable events. It is time for him to talk with himself and decide what he wants (especially because if the conspiracy is true, he will face attacks again in the future for nobody knows how long).

JY, I think, had his crisis right after fan meeting and peaked when he sang the sad song but his "question" was on how much freedom/fame he wanted. I guess he had found the balance, somehow? Now, it is ZZ's time. I am hoping he choose wisely and his loved ones support him during his recupation time.

3 hours ago, ximichem said:

Departure time: same day

ZZ: 6:45AM JY: 2:05 PM

-> JY wanna take off later, just to wait and ensure ZZ gets to the gate/airplane safely.

Arrival time: 

ZZ arrives earlier, waiting for JY, wanna be JY's first person to see when landing. Besides, JY has conspiracy/occasion to show tired face to ZZ so that ZZ would feel sorry for leaving early - of course ZZ would have a day to prepare mostly everything for JY( like schedules, searching for dating places, and of course breakfast and hot shower for JY). Meanwhile, since JY leaving about half of a day later than ZZ, we can assume he'd take care of their "home", careful lock the doors, etc. 

*delulu mode on*

I am joining your delulu mode here: 

- after Happy Camp, ZZ also left Changsa first.

- after RFT2, ZZ also left Sanya first.

apparently JY does want to make sure his baby is alright and maybe has arrived at Beijing before he starts his flight  

even more delulu mode: eh, Johnny is not going back to Shanghai at 18  

1 hour ago, kmmyzz said:

I'm starting to worry over ZZ, he hasn't log in weibo for 2 days already. He used to be on weibo for many times in a day (probably monitoring any tags of him like JY does) but after the plagiarism scandal, he totally went MIA 

 

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ZZ's manager says that a temporary rest will lead to even better results, and that the livestream has been pushed to April 9th. She's encouraging ZZ's fans to work hard and vote in the meanwhile.

Atm, I guess ZZ's manager's presence on weibo is more essential than ZZ's. She (he?) needs to ensure ZZ's presence by posting info about ZZ without attracting the sharks seeking blood. Hopefully, the management understands that.

To be honest, I was thinking the boys had been too active on socmed LOL. It is better for them to have their managers posting pics/schedules/whatever and occassionally they drop one or two things then do not access that again.

[sohocomo]

3 minutes ago, Cynnamin said:

True that, it is an important aspect to the relationship but I find that the lifestyle itself is so indepth that it can't be explained properly in just a single post. I love the BDSM lifestyle because of the way it is and I have to say, the story of Addicted - barely touched on it at all. 

Very, very true. But the story is done in such a way to lead to personal interpretation/introspection - which is actually one of the things I love most about it.