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helloooo guys! i really enjoy reading the posts here! great insights! another thing that makes me smile is the attitude of the TK-DS supporters here, who are not just invested on the pairing but also considers taek & deoksun as their favorites individually. I hope we get to keep this kind of atmosphere here, since most of us are kind of "okay" if the husband will turn out to be JH. The fact that we're hopeful for some new twist says a lot about ourselves guys! we're not afraid to take risk & to think critically. :)

so...i'll just bring up some "details" about episode 9: crossing the line

did you notice that the "FISH" was used as a motif in that particular episode? idk know if that motif is significant but i can remember DS giving TK a fish (was it candy?) on ep2 flashback

in episode 9:

*DS eating fish

*fish symbol on the restaurant where DS had to fall in line

*fish decoration on the wall at the hotel bedroom (2 fishes on taek's room)

*taek's dad & sunwoo's mom eating carp fish cake (we all know siwon & yoonjae love this!!)

*and before the episode ends, bell with a fish chime (temple)

-Fishes usually travel in pairs, fish can also be a symbol for abundance, wealth, prosperity..fishes are the animals which are known to have a long period of courtship (google) and dual fish represent the love & happiness wished to all married couples/birth of children (even the Kim family has a Koi fish painting at home)

-if i'm not mistaken, it's also the 1st episode where a background song "all i can give you is love by december" was used 'for the adult couple (which had DS & TK on the album cover)

In episode 10 we got a DS-TK scene at the beach. Water. well, maybe i'm just reading on it too much but the fact that they used that motif in a TK-DS heavy episode means a lot to me, in reply1997...(puppies were used as element to mirror the red string of fate, shiwon eventually got the right puppy for her in the end) :D:D:D

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7 hours ago, onlysb1 said:

Omo, did we separated shippers paradise just to go through cold wars? :D 

Well let's not forget we saw some of the sweet moments from boys pov. How  DS supposed to know JH was lacing his shoes again and again just to wait her? Bruh... 

Yeah I wonder too, since this thread is dedicated to Taek & Doksun, I hope we can focus on it instead trying to argue with "I'm sure hubby is JH" . I think we heard enuf of that in the main thread, that most wud simply dismissed others who said otherwise,  so I hope in this thread we can freely assumed Taek is the hubby. 

So I'm here in this thread because I believe Taek is hubby. If there's anyone who'll be next Chilbong I guess its gonna be JH but I hope he'll be 97 Hak Chan instead.

And I stand believe that SW & BR couple leaned towards R94 otp while Taek & DS couple is more of R97 otp.

Also sumone ask what Taek did for DS compared to JH? Taek just being there for her ....just for her and wanting her just for him...play along with her, making her happy & making her laugh.

I also think is to tiring for DS to be with JH. She has enuf fight with BR to last a lifetime, she doesnt need a lover who bickers & fight with her too. 

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6 hours ago, hafunohane said:

@liteulkwin My theory is that after his left arm got broken in episode 2... during the childhood flashback scene.. he learned to be ambidextrous?? Like he's naturally a leftie.. Or, or, another possibility is that he reserves his right hand for important stuffs like baduk and writing memos.. IDK hahaha what do you think? I mean i tried to replay the scene but it seems like he isn't really writing a long note, just circling the calendar date?? and later after DS said "gloves" he scribbled something again... hahaha.. 

 

That's a good theory! I didn't have one myself, so I asked haha. I went back to check, and it seems like he broke his right arm at the time.

I hope that this was intended by the writer. When we first realized that TK eats with his left hand, I wondered if it was only so that PBG could more easily be bad at using chopsticks because in his baduk scenes, he was always using his right hand perfectly fine. When I found out that the Husband's actor was left-handed, this made me wonder if there was more to this than we expected and went along with the left-handed Husband being a possible clue. We really don't know what the Husband is though.

Anyway, back to the broken arm scene. I just realized that DS was the sweetest to him even back then. She gave him a piggyback ride, and I want to see older TK and DS doing this now. There was the fan art of a TK/DS piggyback posted on DC and on the main thread. Let's hope it becomes reality!

@lady65432 I have never thought to analyze fish in my life. That's pretty amazing! The most important part is that that was the very first interaction between TK/DS- DS giving him the fish-shaped candy!

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1 hour ago, lady65432 said:

helloooo guys! i really enjoy reading the posts here! great insights! another thing that makes me smile is the attitude of the TK-DS supporters here, who are not just invested on the pairing but also considers taek & deoksun as their favorites individually. I hope we get to keep this kind of atmosphere here, since most of us are kind of "okay" if the husband will turn out to be JH. The fact that we're hopeful for some new twist says a lot about ourselves guys! we're not afraid to take risk & to think critically. :)

so...i'll just bring up some "details" about episode 9: crossing the line

did you notice that the "FISH" was used as a motif in that particular episode? idk know if that motif is significant but i can remember DS giving TK a fish (was it candy?) on ep2 flashback

in episode 9:

*DS eating fish

*fish symbol on the restaurant where DS had to fall in line

*fish decoration on the wall at the hotel bedroom (2 fishes on taek's room)

*taek's dad & sunwoo's mom eating carp fish cake (we all know siwon & yoonjae love this!!)

*and before the episode ends, bell with a fish chime (temple)

-Fishes usually travel in pairs, fish can also be a symbol for abundance, wealth, prosperity..fishes are the animals which are known to have a long period of courtship (google) and dual fish represent the love & happiness wished to all married couples/birth of children (even the Kim family has a Koi fish painting at home)

-if i'm not mistaken, it's also the 1st episode where a background song "all i can give you is love by december" was used 'for the adult couple (which had DS & TK on the album cover)

In episode 10 we got a DS-TK scene at the beach. Water. well, maybe i'm just reading on it too much but the fact that they used that motif in a TK-DS heavy episode means a lot to me, in reply1997...(puppies were used as element to mirror the red string of fate, shiwon eventually got the right puppy for her in the end) :D:D:D

Waaahhhhh! I almost fell on my bed while reading your post @lady65432 and @lxands ..it's totally delighted my mood...I was really smiling.... You guys literally dissect the details about TK/DS! About fish represents Love and Happiness.. This is the perfect interpretation of their beach scene..While watching it..that's the major element I feel from the scene...^^

Taek Ship may change the Kdrama History!!

I watched many Kdramas, but can't deny that his character is really one of a kind!! ;)

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7 hours ago, hafunohane said:

 

Someone mentioned about the left- hand hint being a possible red herring because they have yet to see the 2015 hubby writing/ eating with his left hand.  I noticed that in ep 7 when TK called DS from his hotel room to ask about his dad's birthday gift, he's writing something with his RIGHT HAND. am i seeing this wrong guys..

 

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Don't worry abt it...firstly what was his main focus here? He's on the phone right? If he's right handed when he pick up the phone he'll use his right but here he's using his left hand. He's calling from his hotel room, so he only need to dial 0 & ask the operator to connect his call to the number in Korea. So right hand most probably just idly scribbling & scratching. I'm left handed too so this isnt a big deal, the most important which hand he use to pick up the phone.

Also in my country & some other Asian countries, old fashion / conservative folks sometimes force their left handed children to write with their right hand. I think old Chinese people did this too. Perhaps older Korean generation did it too. Anyway this happened to my cousin, so she writes with her right hand but does everything else with her left hand.

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Hahaha! AND I FORGOT THE DAMDADI DANCE ON EPISODE 8! (deoksun fishing taek!!) :D:D:D we're on TAEKtanic so, bring it on, you fishes!

Let's keep this thread fun guys!! :) So for us, Taek is the hubby...and I can't help but imagine how cute leemiyeon & kimjoohyuk's dynamic would be if they would bicker over "'baduk" in a 2015 scene (interview) just like how shiwon & yoonjae bicker over H.O.T/Tony even after all those years... #fanficjuseyo!!

I also want a Taek & Bora scene (since I'm wondering why Bora decided to leave taek & deoksun on the beach to take a bus on their way home) i can imagine bora being "$@#!@(@(^^"!! Taek, you also smoke?" ...and of course, we are all waiting for the time when maggie & joey finally meet taek, i hope it'll be cuter than what we're expecting it to be (i hope taek won't act awkward or shy around them & i do hope they notice something)  ❤❤❤

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@lady65432 Loved that fish hooking scene from episode 8,hyeri is so cute with her antics,another favorite would be the scene from china at the reception,making gestures at the receptionist asking for new room keys lol.About bora leaving taek,that's an interesting question.Probably she thought  the kids should be left alone,as they were having so much fun.And ds is always there to escort taek.

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1 hour ago, lady65432 said:

helloooo guys! i really enjoy reading the posts here! great insights! another thing that makes me smile is the attitude of the TK-DS supporters here, who are not just invested on the pairing but also considers taek & deoksun as their favorites individually. I hope we get to keep this kind of atmosphere here, since most of us are kind of "okay" if the husband will turn out to be JH. The fact that we're hopeful for some new twist says a lot about ourselves guys! we're not afraid to take risk & to think critically. :)

so...i'll just bring up some "details" about episode 9: crossing the line

did you notice that the "FISH" was used as a motif in that particular episode? idk know if that motif is significant but i can remember DS giving TK a fish (was it candy?) on ep2 flashback

in episode 9:

*DS eating fish

*fish symbol on the restaurant where DS had to fall in line

*fish decoration on the wall at the hotel bedroom (2 fishes on taek's room)

*taek's dad & sunwoo's mom eating carp fish cake (we all know siwon & yoonjae love this!!)

*and before the episode ends, bell with a fish chime (temple)

-Fishes usually travel in pairs, fish can also be a symbol for abundance, wealth, prosperity..fishes are the animals which are known to have a long period of courtship (google) and dual fish represent the love & happiness wished to all married couples/birth of children (even the Kim family has a Koi fish painting at home)

-if i'm not mistaken, it's also the 1st episode where a background song "all i can give you is love by december" was used 'for the adult couple (which had DS & TK on the album cover)

In episode 10 we got a DS-TK scene at the beach. Water. well, maybe i'm just reading on it too much but the fact that they used that motif in a TK-DS heavy episode means a lot to me, in reply1997...(puppies were used as element to mirror the red string of fate, shiwon eventually got the right puppy for her in the end) :D:D:D

 

Good observations! To add to this FISH hint, I couldn't remember the episode but it was when DS' mom was jealous of the way JH's dad treats his wife... there's this one scene in which they got invited by the couples to EAT FISH. The scene shows 4 of them, 2 pairs of husband and wife.. hehehe..

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29 minutes ago, hafunohane said:

 

Good observations! To add to this FISH hint, I couldn't remember the episode but it was when DS' mom was jealous of the way JH's dad treats his wife... there's this one scene in which they got invited by the couples to EAT FISH. The scene shows 4 of them, 2 pairs of husband and wife.. hehehe..

In China...I'm not sure if dinner... She takes fish first...and half...only... does it mean (Betterhalf) ...Yay..Taek !! Hahahahah^^

I forgot they even focus how DS cut the fish in half...

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Indeed this thread has many good insights and arguments.. I love reading all of them.. 

Like many of you already mentioned, based on the clues, the husband is TK (smoking, clothing style, chocolate, dropped speaking formal to neol, the hubby-future DS interaction, selective memory etc), the strongest clue that JH have only the SW rejection and the postcard..and I'm not going to argue about the left-handed thingy that the main threads are talking about.. But based on the experience watching many kdrama and screentime and many said also because the previous reply, the husband is JH.. So in the end of the day, JH probability to be the husband has more than TK despite all the red hearings..so I'm not going to argue more about clues, I'm going to wait for tomorrow episode and hope for the best for our taekkie..

Anyway, I want to share my thoughts about TK feelings.. Since the first episode, I am kind of notice TK feelings..I know that the writer and PD are so detail oriented and PBG has good acting skills, so the way I see it, the PD and writer don't need many episodes to shown his feelings in the beginning and throughout the drama, just paying attention into details and we notice..not once, he showed that he's not attracted to her.. 

like she pats him, he pats her, they smile to each other, DS concern about him a lot, TK always said that DS is pretty, DS is quite upset when TK can't go to the concert with her, TK always remember everything about her, DS wears his sweater like it's not a big deal (they feel so comfortable to each other), in 1st episode TK went outside to get the milk because he knew that DS will be going to school so he can met her, in ep 9 TK said that he's not going to eat with her family because he knew that DS will come so he can meet her and talks to her even for awhile (if he went directly to her house, he can't talk to her alone, there will be DS family) so in the end he can eat with DS& her family and have a conversation with her also (smart right?)..he might not be around her everyday, but he cares enough for her, all he can give to her is only love just like the soundtrack that have their cover on it

This is why I fall in love so deep for his character, his actions speak more than his words.. He's kind of the same with JH in a way, but more gentle in outside and has bad boy thingy hidden inside.. So I really wonder what DS true feelings about him.. Because what I am seeing now, she doesn't want to share TK with anyone, not even her best friends..she doesn't like when TK priorities baduk when they're on beach date, she's so annoyed when TK falls asleep in cinema (if it's JH, i bet, she will wake him up in cinema), she chooses TK gift over JH..

DS feelings to JH? I haven't see it yet.. Maybe the next episode she will developed her feelings to him.. Can't wait for next episode.. 

 

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Lol the never ending props in this drama keep coming up.But the fish sign 'is' quite strongly there in lots of scene,as lots of visual keep coming in mind.

On a sidenote,deok sun's preference is quite influenced by people surrounding her.As her friends persuades her to ask jh about going on blind date,she quite fervently goes forward and asks for his opinion.And it seemed more than just a curious inquiry about whether he likes her or not.But if she 'does' like him,would not that be too soon to happen? As before ep 10,all we see is this questioned look in her eyes,whenever jh says or does something noticeable to her.Or on episode 10,when her friends asks her do you like jung hwan? She says 'don't know'.As if she's not sure either.However if there is something in her mind about jh,then maybe he's the sealed deal.But till now they have not done much explanation or back stories on deok sun,and we've seen her from other's pov.So I wish they do a deok sun centric episode.Also '94 showed so many parts on na jung and her daily activities,that I kind of miss it here too for ds.

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Back to left handed right handed thingy, Taek is left handed alrite...check ep 9, he held his cigarette with his left hand. There's no way right hand people wud hold cigarette like that with their left hand fingers.

Talk abt ep9, many seem to think Taek abandon DS most of the time  but I think Taek work harder than ever becos DS is with him, becos he wants to finish the game in 2 rounds. If he wins 2 games in a row than he doesnt have to play the 3rd game or the 3rd, therefore he has one extra  full day to spend with DS in China... how eager he was to go back to his room with DS. If he just want to rest he can always tell DS to go with his boss & the reporters but instead he wants he company & her, all to himself :D

BTW BR maybe bitchy but I think she sees tru Taek & suspect his feeling for her sister when she asked the other boys abt Taek's IQ...also she knows DS likes someone & seei g she went to China with Taek she probably assumed Taek is the one DS likes, hence leave both them on the beach

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Thanks, your analysis give me more hope for Teak and DS. I am not good as searching hint, I just folow my hear sound. Thus, this film make me confuse a lot .

I wonder do they hint Teak and DS scene in China such as the cinema scenes ?

Why Bora choose to leaveTeak and DS ? I think BR is smart, and she may know they guy in DS dairy. ^-^ 

why SW stand close to DS while he is not second lead?

why they spend a lot of time for SW?

I think DS like Teak, but she doesnt know that, she was shy when they take a picture. She becomes different when they toghether, when  other boys don't have. I read other comments said she just care him like mom or sister. Look back her real brother Noeul, she doesn't care him like with teak. On the first day snow, even she disappointed about SW, when teak calls, she does not forgot to tell him " it cold, come home soon". This point Thier relationsh similar to last 2 couple on 1994, 1997.

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Wow. You guys are amazing! Finally caught up on all the posts. I want to join in on this convo. There is something about Taek and Duksun that makes me want them even though I just really cheer for the girl.

1.  Some body mentioned that all the listings show RJY as the lead. When the first amusements came out, it was PBG as the lead. I had to look him up because I didn't know who it was. I was hoping someone else will sign as the lead.

2. Left hand, right hand thing. I am naturally left handed but my parents and grandparents forced me to write with my right and play go and chess with right.  Former because it is too hard to teach korean with left supposedly and latter cuz my go-crazed men in the family forced all of us to use right for etiquette reasons even though we were all born in the US.  Plus, Lee Chang Ho who is the basis for Taek similarly is ambidextrous. Taek though is too clumsy with his chopsticks because PBG is naturally right handed.

3. The fish thing is amazing.

4. Didn't watch AM 94 after a few episodes because I hated trash. Why or what is Chilbonged, beyond the normal second lead issue? I feel like I am missing something because you guys keep saying it here and in the main thread.

5. There is a new theory on DC gallery with their names. Taek means Lily pad. DS our Sun for short is interpreted as the sun. With all the sun and moon references, some think it references korean poems that talk about the glistening Lily due to the sunlight or the moonlight. That would point to our couple.

6. Unlike many of you, I think the future hubby does not seem like JH. For example, when future DS stated dancing, he leaves. JH always stays to laugh at her while Taek always left, except when she mine ropes him into the room. Another example, after the JH photo at the concert, future JH seems too nice and openly admired DS and then tease her. JH will never do that. He always mocks verbally and in action when she is with him. He only furtively glances. With Taek glaring at her in the 10th episode, I feel like Taek can be harsher and is not always a nice guy.

7. The star of David game, whose name I can't remember their one with game pieces in green yellow white and red.  Lately, I think the red and yellow pieces are all standing, while some of the green pieces are missing.

My issue is who does DS like? I did not like seeing  her twist the telephone cord. Does it mean she has some feelings for JH? Or is she just happy somebody likes her the way she was giddy when SW liked her? The journal shows her true feelings at the time she wrote  it and Bora read it. The day she gave chocolate none of the boys were wearing black. The high school uniforms plus Taek in a beige sweater. Before we saw Taek in black suits and JH in black sweatshirt. SW  was never in black.

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So I really tried to remain neutral, but fully decided to board now but some thoughts after reading comments:  

1. someone said how they really liked DS and TK together and separately and i then realized how its so true, I really do like both characters individually...DS seen with her brother and the fight cemented my appreciation for the character and for TK it was when he talked to DS dad after the funeral, i just really felt there was a depth of character to him and i noticed again that out of everyone he was the one that really hinted the JH mom must being going through a hard time with JB surgery even with her tough act that later on was revealed in the ep. But then i think it was the scene where TK realized he had forgotten to look at the gift name and came out to DS and the way he kneeled to be at her eye level and then the way she was so accepting and healthy in understanding it was a honest mistake cemented their friendship for me but it was the part at the beach when they were eating snack that completely won me over. they looked like two children but also two old couple sitting ( idk but old couples get at me and i felt this dynamic of youth and maturity in the scene, of carefree acceptance and playfulness)  also now with all the fish comments , didnt DS keep "hooking" TK l??? lol

2. i wonder if PD and writer watched Misaeng, ( i feel with the popularity, tvn affiliation, and amazing piece that it is , they would have) because i would argue that TK character is heavily influenced and inspired by Jang Geu-rae, both great Baduk players, soft spoken observant, a little odd and awkward for the mainstream culture...now spoiler: Geu-rae obv didnt get paired with the main lead, which didnt surprise be because character like TK and him are really diffcult to first write as a lead and also romantically explore. There is a lack of the mainstream characteristic with them and their rarity is something writer shy away from a lot! ( maybe because people like them are also so rare in real life) I would say only one drama did an accurate portrayal of the silent, observant, caring,humble, main lead and that was In time with you (Taiwanese not the Korean!!!!!!!!!) but spoiler ahead: the romantic road was a very difficult one...

3.I honestly am trying to understand the beach scene and flashback scene in ep 9 to understand why a secound love line would get that treatment, it just doesnt make sense...TK could have easily said he liked DS with out having the beach scene ( his simles already have made it possible to believe) and the photo in ep 9 could have been taken with out the build up of the flashback...so why would they include those scene that have so much done and so little said which honestly build a really strong foundation for DS and TK relationship.

honestly 1988 willl not be bad as 1994 i hope, but TK is to my surprise being even a stronger lead then CB could ever be ( and i was a huge fan of CB T.T) DS and TK have had scene that we only  could wish for in 1994. 

 

ps seeing the wrestling scene when they wre 9 is on my must see list...i could see DS being loud and excited just completely bulldozing the chill quiet TK 

 

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All the posts here are really fantastic! You guys are so observant. Although I really like Jung Hwan, I hope Taek will be the husband so the love line will be totally strange and different from the previous installments.

@miri13 yes I agree with you on the way Taek looks at Duk Sun

http://gph.is/21StPlV

and this 

http://gph.is/1OUeEDN

And I'm not sure if this is scripted or just similar manner, when the husband make a "Shh..." sound in ep 2 and when Taek also does the same thing in ep 10, when both TK and DS are drinking coffee. So far I haven't seen JH drinking coffee btw haha 

Even though they seem to bicker over things after that, the husband's manner is similar to Taek's.

Besides that, I'm not sure if there's anything implied here but the cover for this song only has Taek and Duk Sun

 

And this is the background song for 2015 scene, after each picture (with JH and with TK) was taken.

@hien le and yes, I totally agree with you on how DS always cares about TK, even when her heart was broken during SunWoo's confession. To me, it really means that DS just naturally cares for TK, no matter what happens.

@lxands Your comment reminds me of what DS narrates in ep 2 when the childhood scenes flashback. DS says something like "Taek is always there with us. Although his face is usually expressionless, he has always been beside us." I think it works the same way when TK just wants to spend time with DS in the movie date, at the beach or in China, just simply be with each other.

And OMG the Fish theory is totally mind-blowing haha :)) I also notice how TK actually pays attention to the Jam concert.

http://postimg.org/image/rtk03s68f/

http://postimg.org/image/wd1iqj6eh/

Taek also seems to care a lot about the school trip in the earlier episodes when he keeps looking at the paper with the trip information. So, I hope in the future episodes, there will be flashbacks to such moments and more on Taek will be revealed.

Happy watching ep 11 guys ^^ ***hope someone will do live caption***

 

 

 

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After giving a second thought I found it weird that jh was so much miffed at sun woo when he took him as the one that deok sun likes.He almost stopped talking to him lol.But in case of taek,he would give up on deok sun on his own? Does not ring bell to me..=/.Anyway it's friday and we'd get answers soon.

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13 hours ago, lxands said:

Yeah I wonder too, since this thread is dedicated to Taek & Doksun, I hope we can focus on it instead trying to argue with "I'm sure hubby is JH" . I think we heard enuf of that in the main thread, that most wud simply dismissed others who said otherwise,  so I hope in this thread we can freely assumed Taek is the hubby. 

 

Hi there, sorry to cut your post. Please don't let it get to you. I'm pretty sure everyone here who has come out and voiced their support for Teak/ DS 50% believes that Teak is the Husband and 50% hopes that he'll be the one to cross the finish line. We don't wanna make it 100% because you know "too much expectation leads to sadness." And I believe most of us here are just trying to prevent ourselves from being disappointed and getting hurt. Same goes for the other team. So I don't think any of us here is against the idea of Teak being the husband, we wholeheartedly love that theory if anything. We all boarded and gathered here, didn't we. So please don't let that upset or bother you, we're here to support Teak/DS and we're going down with this ship no matter what. t0343.gif

@lady65432 I adore your theory so much. It's amazing. Like you said this is Teak/DS la la land, let's bring it on!!!! let's make it all fishy, shall we?!!

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FIRST MEETING/ FIRST APPEARANCE OF THE FISH BETWEEN TAEK-DS  

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DS has always been so precious to TK :)

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