Raphelancia 1,758 Posted January 5, 2016 Oh god i love this thread! <3 Thank you @Meliere for your always inspiring post! I always feel refreshed reading it, and i do believe it's quite true. If you ask random anyone to watch the series, i think the first thing that comes to their mind is also "JH is the husband" and be confident of it, which is based from the lots of too obvious clues gathered here and there. However, once you reanalyzed it again, Taek's story development will suddenly make you lose that confidence if you're not dense. He really shaped up to be a qualified contender for the end game. What's more, it's really up to DS now. It's not like we always know DS likes certain someone from the start of the series, no, the writer purposely made DS looks like a girl that has no confidence on herself, but acts tough. I bet if she truly likes someone, she won't make it looks as obvious as when she is about the two boys (SW and JH). I won't be surprised (rather, i hope) if the writer played the "I always like him all this time, but i don't think this love will go anywhere because he's so amazing compared to this worthless me, so i'll kept reaally quiet about this to not destroy our relationship right now" towards Taek. Oh this is bad, i started hoping too much for TK to be the end game, i should keep it low again and just have the baduk etiquette now. Blank face.... 17 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
delulu4kdrama 150 Posted January 5, 2016 This is my first post in this forum although I have been following reply 1988 threads (main, TK-DS, JH-DS) for sometime now. Many of you have already pointed out the insights into DS genuine and natural care, love and concern for Taek. There is one point on Ep 8 which she remembers Taek carrying a bag in the morning which completely surprises me. We all know how forgetful she is and this is reinforced quite a few times in the show and well known with people around her. ep 3 she forgot her family treasure camera which is so precious and we see how scared and frightened she was but she still forgot despite repeated warnings from her parents ep 7 when she was walking down the stairs with JH back from McDonald's, the first thing JH ask is why are so serious, did you forget something again? And also in earlier episodes we see her running in and out of her house before going to school because she forgot her lunchbox and subsequently bag. SO it's pretty AMAZING how a naturally forgetful person can actually REMEMBER such a small detail that Taek has a bag with him in the morning!! Now people keep asking to see DS POV and feelings and I wonder if we are watching the same show. Hehe 30 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
niniiinggg 360 Posted January 5, 2016 Hello everyone, i've been a silent reader on this thread. you're all amazing with all the analyses. Daebak! thumbs up for all of you, guys since the beginning, i've fallen for the character of taek, tho at first i believe JH would be the end game, but as time passed, i put a belief that taek could be the end game. one thing in my mind, in ep 16 where DR joined the national dance competition accompanied by JH and SW, JH could remember the names of the participants. If we refer to the present DS & husband, the husband forgot what year the concert he attended. If he husband is JH, could he forget that, while the name of the participants DR joined he could exactly remember? Finally i made an account on soompi bcs of this ship what i like from this thread is that we all really enjoy this ship, no matter what have a wonderful day, everyone 17 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
st4rdust 4,939 Posted January 5, 2016 I'm starting to see a funny pattern that DS is acting just like JH... You say bad things about the one u like when your friends say nice things about them... * god of idiots* Forget afraid to let her friends be alone with him,she denies all access lol ( Jh dun let DS alone with SW or DR... Ironically he dun see Taek as a threat and left them on the beach where they had the BEST DATE EVER in kdramaland) lol I'm working now can't think of more... Pls anyone feel free to think and add on pls 12 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hafunohane 5,208 Posted January 5, 2016 @Meliere A THOUSAND TIMES YES TO EVERYTHING YOU MENTIONED ON THAT GOLDMINE OF A POST. PREACH! Btw, i went back to episode 6 because it's like the "big reveal/ real triangle start" episode and it's very Taek- centric. i noticed so many parallelisms between BR's storyline in this episode and SW's confession to BR with TK's arc and his "confession" to DS. Bear with me for sounding seemingly off-topic here, i swear i'm in the right thread. *warning, it's quite a long read* : 1. In the beginning, we're shown the "surface- level" familiar characteristics of both TK and BR. TK= clumsy. BR= scary. 2. Just as JB's first postcard that got read on LMS's radio show is about TK, his second pick is the one dedicated to BR. 3. Both TK and BR have people who doubted them. For TK, it's DR and his lack of faith in TK's possibility of defeating 5 people. For BR, it's SW's mom who didn't think BR will obey the request to bring up the plum wine. 4. Similarly, both TK and BR also have someone who believed in them. For TK, it's Sungdaddy who kept asking Papabear about TK throughout this episode and about celebration drinks, even though TK still had to go through so many matches before he is claimed the winner. His faith in TK bore fruit in the end, because TK won just like he predicted. In BR's case, it's her mom who debunked the neighbors' perception of her bad attitude. Although BR complained, she still showed up with the plum wine, just like her mom had believed. Both also said "I TOLD YOU." 5. Both BR and TK have something new about them this episode. For TK, it's that he actually "has something that he wants to do" besides baduk (the movie). This is mentioned three times: once with DR, another time with his coach in the elevator after his victory, and finally during the phonecall with DS. For BR, it's her "new (borrowed) car" that she wants to make full use of. The car made three appearances too: 1. When DS and mom were walking home, BR stopped them and forced them to get in the car. 2. When the entire family got stuck in BR's car at night because of the stuffed doll. 3. When she drove SW's mom to see JJ. 6. Also, just as it was revealed that the other contender is not SW, but TK instead (breaking the general public's assumption), it is also revealed that the one SW likes is not DS, but BR instead. parallels everywhere indeed. ---- So here's what i noticed based on the list above (and this is just from 1 episode alone): 1. Some of us think that BR is more similar to JH than anyone else because they're the two "tsunderes" of the block. However, in the 2015 scene, BR sounds like a completely different person just from the tone of her voice alone. I lost count how many times BR raised her voice in EP 6, so the contrast with her 2015 self is a shocker. Goes to show that in the span of 27 years, someone can change THAT much. However, in later episodes we can see these small changes slowly taking place in BR. She sent food to SW's house for the first time, she changed her glasses for SW, and she's not as rude to her parents anymore, even making sweet gestures by ep 16 with the gifts. We started to follow her growth. Guess which other character is shown to have character growth (and in addition, becoming more and more like the husband?) As if to emphasize the BR/TK parallelisms, BR told her husband on the videocall that it's snowing, and she told DS too. Guess what DS immediately did? She shouted to her hubby about the snow. And we know that if BR's husband is SW, it makes sense why "the first snow" is so their thing. It may be reaching to say that the first snow is also DS and her hubby's thing, but so far, we know that in up to ep 16, there has been no first snow moments that DS shared with JH. which brings me to my next point: 2. A lot of us see things from JH's point of view, especially more heavily in the early episodes. Majority connects more with JH because we see how he developed his crush towards DS early on, and with the emphasis on his family and his tsundereness in the beginning, it's as though it's his love story that we are following. He shared so many moments with DS in almost every episode. However, in ep 6, we learned very little of JH except that he misunderstood SW's crush for BR as him liking DS. I have read how some people said that even when TK confessed to the boys, it's JH's face that the camera focused on. BUT, during the entire "first snow" confession scene, we're only shown SW-BR and TK-DS back and forth. the last we see of JH is when he slurped the ramyun in glee. Unbeknownst to him, his competition isn't SW to begin with. But his first snow memory ended at the dining table with ramyun, coz JH didn't make any move that night. So the "first snow" scene, which we all know is the pivotal scene of this episode, isn't from his point of view at all. Hmm. And right after the SW-BR/TK-DS first snow scene, we fast- forwarded to the 2015 where BR is there with DS, BR's husband called, DS was told about the snow, and DS called hubby out. I'll just leave it at that but HMMM..... 3. So if I were to choose two characters that took the center stage in ep 6, it would be TK, followed by BR. Even in the scenes where they're absent, people still talked about them. For BR, it's the Ssamundong parents. For TK, it's DS' girlfriends. So, it makes sense that in the episodes that follow after the sixth, we see more of not just TK, but also BR. (at one point some people even complained that they see too much of SW and BR. But hey they're the secondary couple after all, and SW is one of the leads) And guess who found out about SW- BR? Yes, TK. Upon rewatching episode 6, i noticed that TK has a connection with BR not just in terms of him knowing her secret relationship or him possibly being his future brother in law via SW if TK's dad marries SW's mom (or y'know, if TK marries BR's sister ), but also in terms of their narrative. I haven't watched the entire episode 7, but guess which two people out of the entire Ssamundong kids told JB that they had to hurry up and go before the manito game?? Yes, none other than TK and BR. My question is this: we know that k-netizens have suspected the SW-BR's loveline prior to ep 6, just like how they have guessed that the real husband contender is TK from before ep 6. Both guesses were confirmed in ep 6. However, the flashbacks in ep 6 were only dedicated for SW and BR- how all along, it has always been BR that SW sees. So why is there no flashback for TK? I know that there have been subtle hints about it as early as ep 2 with the butt- patting scene and the POV during his birthday scene (which is so subtle for most people that a lot of TK shippers here even missed it the first time), so why aren't we shown the flashback to TK's reaction when DS mentioned about the idea of confessing on the first snow earlier in the episode?? I know this is intentional on the writer's part, but it is still interesting to me to find out why she went this route for TK. 10 episodes later, and we still have no flashback about the history behind his crush whatsoever. I hope that this doesn't mean that JH's crush is intentionally shown in the present timeline of the 80s because that's the loveline that we're supposed to focus on. Rather, i hope it means that this is just one of the writer's tricks for how "the star of the show always appears last," and that it's okay for me to expect for a montage of flashback scenes from TK's POV somewhere in the next 4 episodes. *AMEN TO THIS* I'll do a follow- up post for the other non- TK/BR things that i noticed in this episode, but i hope i'm not being too delusional here with my observations. 34 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
allegramente 2,326 Posted January 5, 2016 @hafunohane .... oh yeah... keep 'em coming! ... 51 minutes ago, hafunohane said: However, in the 2015 scene, BR sounds like a completely different person just from the tone of her voice alone. I lost count how many times BR raised her voice in EP 6, so the contrast with her 2015 self is a shocker. That shows that in the span of 27 years, someone can change THAT much. Also, the future Bora keeps the smoking habit... as if to tell us, "This 'clue' (in the husband and Bora) stays!" I think I'll happily go through this week camping in this thread... @Meliere ... oh, no. The profession do more harm in my understanding Kdramas... the one thing I learned most in that profession is that... there should be exceptions to rules.. So even with all the parallels, foreshadowing, structures and rules the writer has put in his or her fictional world, at the back of my mind, there is still the evil voice whispering, "Maybe Taek is the exception..." 15 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lovelyrainy 7,939 Posted January 5, 2016 Preview for ep 17 guys!!! https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1539664686345175 27 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raphelancia 1,758 Posted January 5, 2016 13 minutes ago, lovelyrainy said: Preview for ep 17 guys!!! https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1539664686345175 Omo omo omoo, what happened theeere?! Gawd i think i never really wait for a drama episode as anxious as this. This is not good for my heart. 12 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mellinadear 25,909 Posted January 5, 2016 Heavens be.. The preview is out. It's freaking 4am here in my country. And my heart is beating so fast. The adrenaline for the preview is just.... 16 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aurora1205 27,887 Posted January 5, 2016 @lovelyrainy. Thanks Chingu what a surprise!! I think JH asked if Taek saw what was inside his wallet and Taek answered No. JB and SW said something about wishes. I don't know what was blabbering DS's friends about Taek please not again... Aigoo why are they seem on the verge of they crying TT --- JH says my wish is... 13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phuong Tam Nguyen 2,549 Posted January 5, 2016 37 minutes ago, raphelancia said: Omo omo omoo, what happened theeere?! Gawd i think i never really wait for a drama episode as anxious as this. This is not good for my heart. All I can guess is lots of angst, "pretention", tears, disappointments and guru's advice are coming Seems like JH will have a conversation with TK but I'm not sure it's regarding the love triangle. I can barely understand JH asks TK something and TK says "No" with a cold face. I guess the title is "Life is an Irony-Part 2" as many of us guessed but I don't understand the text preview 17화. 인생이란 아이러니 - Ⅱ 별똥별 떨어지는 어느 날. 소중한 사람과 함께 소원을 비는 골목길 사람들. 그들이 이루고 싶은 소원은? 택의 고백 불발 이후 처음으로 마주하게 된 정환과 택. 둘 사이엔 어색한 기운이 감도는데... <응답하라 1988> 매주 금·토 저녁 7:50 방송 Oh blue_angel posted the translation on the main thread Text Preview for Episode 17: Irony of Life - Part II On a day when there is a meteor shower, the neighborhood people make a wish together upon the shooting star. What are their wishes? For the first time since Taek's confession plan fell through, Junghwan and Taek meet face to face. Awkwardness looms in the air between them... @blue_angel_1004 thank you so much wow there are lots of things suspended in the next ep. Would you mind translating what the characters say too? Thanks so much I'm sorry if that will trouble you 14 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilmare 4,300 Posted January 5, 2016 Preview!!!!!! I am just happy to see Taek. R we being troll with a bed scene between Taek DS? I also tot JH ask Taek abt DS. DS looks sad helpless at departing Taek, n Taek like he dragging himself home. Somehow, i really wan see Taek compete less baduk. Poor little darling. 12 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Meliere 3,445 Posted January 5, 2016 OMMMMGGG... that preview!! hot angsty taek and is that a suntaek "bed" scene? O writer, say it is so!! @hafunohane Your. Post. Gahhh ... I wish I didn't have a gazillion work related things to do. Because all I want to do right now is spazz over your crazy smart observations. THANK YOU!!! I remember having this itching feeling that SW-BR and DS-TK could be mirror images, but couldn't put it into words. You've basically said everything I wish I could have figured out or seen but couldn't. The fact that TK is so in on the SW-BR relationship makes so much sense now. 1 hour ago, allegramente said: I think I'll happily go through this week camping in this thread... IT IS A PARTY HERE IN TAEK'S ROOM. ALL WE NEED IS AN 80S DISCO BALL... YAH CHOI TAEK, WHERE'S YOUR WALLET? 20 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phuong Tam Nguyen 2,549 Posted January 5, 2016 Thank you so much @blue_angel_1004 for the video translation (on the main thread) JH: Did you open my wallet by any chance? TK: No. I didn't see. Joey Wong: Choi Taek, that Baduki, sees… you as as a total pushover. [Note: "Baduki" is the nickname that Joey Wong and Maggie Cheung call Taek. It's a play on the game "baduk", but Baduki is also a common name for a dog with spots, similar to "Spotty"] DS: What? JB: Lil' bro, if you make a wish upon a falling star, it'll all come true! SW: Noona, did you make a wish? JH: My wish is... 15 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monsterlife 1,676 Posted January 5, 2016 I think the JH boner signified the fact that JH saw DS from 'it' to 'girl'. I just want to see when that happen to TK. DS is always a friend and it would be nice to see a flashback on when he started to see her as a woman. But seeing how easy it is for them to let go of her in the name of friendship, I think their love for her at the moment is just puppy love. I am excited for episode 17. I have a feeling it would be love triangle centric. Since JH have been in the back burner for a long time, I think he'll come back to the fore in ep 17. His story is too attached to the love triangle and I think it is about time for us to see what he wants to be or plans in the future. My prediction for episode 17: Someone will move on with their feelings. Someone cannot forget about their first love & first heartbreak. Someone will confess and get turn down. And someone will realize what they want. 15 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meliere 3,445 Posted January 5, 2016 I'm going nuts. Is there anyone here with video editing knowledge??? Can you tell if that "bed" scene is fo realz? My heart will collapse if we get trolled. 18 minutes ago, Phuong Tam Nguyen said: Joey Wong: Choi Taek, that Baduki, sees… you as as a total pushover. [Note: "Baduki" is the nickname that Joey Wong and Maggie Cheung call Taek. It's a play on the game "baduk", but Baduki is also a common name for a dog with spots, similar to "Spotty"] She thinks TAEK sees DEOKSUN as a total pushover? Suddenly DR belongs to a totally different league. ALSO I KNOW I'VE BEEN LAUGHING AT THE COLOR THEORY. BUT DANG THAT LAST FRAME IN THE PREVIEW WITH JH SET AGAINST A LIGHTED BLUE WINDOW/BACKDROP. .... 20 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aurora1205 27,887 Posted January 5, 2016 Don't you think they're lying down oposite sides I mean not side by side it's only pillow part that they share -------> Taek . DS <-------- Lol 14 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phuong Tam Nguyen 2,549 Posted January 5, 2016 12 minutes ago, onlysb1 said: Don't you think they're lying down oposite sides I mean not side by side it's only pillow part that they share -------> Taek . DS <-------- Lol Yeah I guess they are lying at separate locations (in their own rooms may be) but they are "virtually" facing each other and thinking about something as DS seems angry while TK is about to cry. In TK's lying scene, next to him is some black thing that I don't think it's DS's hair, maybe it's his baduk bowl? 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meliere 3,445 Posted January 5, 2016 15 minutes ago, onlysb1 said: Don't you think they're lying down oposite sides I mean not side by side it's only pillow part that they share -------> Taek . DS <-------- Lol YOU'RE RIGHT. DAMN IT. LOL I WAS SO EXCITED I IGNORED BASIC RULES OF SYMMETRY. ... maybe they're lying down spooning popsicle style, with Taek staring at DS's back (or vice versa)?? bwahaha my *delulu* shipper heart 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites