Park Bo Gum ❤ Girl's Day Hyeri aka REPLY 1988 TAEK x DEOKSUN

[nearsea]

7 minutes ago, Phuong Tam Nguyen said:

Yeah I was searching around to see if there is anybody who looks like one of the 4 guys and when I saw that person in the red circle, I thought that was a woman in high heels but just now when I take another look, i think there are 2 people standing there. The one with the invisible legs might be a woman in the crew, BUT the one standing IN FRONT of her might be TK, with the legs hidden.

If that's true, TK might see JH carrying DS. Yeah, that's another guess  it might be a good thing actually. What if DS realizes something after this incident?  

Lol you never stop surprising me ..On a second look now it does look like two different person are there.But,whatever it is,tk should refrain.Again,as @sarsu sed above this might be flashback or shooting done for next episode.

---Btw @onlysb1 good going with the sherlocking,never noticed that fish either.Now it seems like we never really knew how much possibilities this series had.Like the zen references are all there,but we were too busy with the physical evidences to look beyond the metaphors lol.

[shooastrid]

Guys, just in case you haven't seen @packmule3's post on the main thread. Enjoy! My favourite parts are highlighted.

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2 hours ago, packmule3 said:

I have to post something from dramabeans. 

“Deok-sun runs up behind Taek when she sees him ahead of her on their street, and tells him that he must’ve had a hard day, and that he did a good job. It seems like exactly the thing he needed to hear (or maybe it’s just the person he needed to see), and he smiles and takes a decisive step forward.
She’s surprised when he holds onto her arm, and then he starts to lean in like he’s going to kiss her…. Omo. Omo.
But then he just rests his head on her shoulder and stays like that for a little while, and she stammers that he worked hard, and he smiles.” [credit: dramabeans]

I love dramabeans. I think she and her team do an awesome job with the recap. But people here at soompi must keep in mind their limitations. Because of the time constraints – they upload their recap speedily for the benefit of the non-Korean speakers – they don’t have time to write it like a romance novel (lol) or analyze the different layers of a scenes. They only narrate the story as they see it, and of course, they bring their own biases when writing. 

Which is perfectly fine!  I’d be worried if they don’t have biases. Like, what? Are their brains sieves that cannot retain past recollections of likes and dislikes? 

I can understand why JH-DS shippers would agree with dramabeans. dramabeans sees an exhausted guy, momentarily cheered up to see the girl he likes, approaching the girl and resting his weary head on the girl. Nothing more, nothing less.

But frankly I don’t understand why the TK-DS didn’t bother to CONTEST that point of view. lol?  Or maybe it’s because I'm trained to argue reasonable doubt that I don't mind questioning things?

 

Here is an alternative way of looking at this scene --  

It’s 11:00 pm. TK’s shuffling his feet as he walked down the street. How long had it been since his ride dropped him off? Was he waiting for her? She saw and she ran up to greet him brightly. Considering it was already 11 at night, she looked the same way she did when she left the house that morning.  She immediately cheered him up – which was interesting because it meant that she knew of the baduk results before their encounter. Did she check up on it herself? Or did she hear about it on the street on the way home? Her brother who was a baduk/TK fan had just heard of it on the 11:00 news. 

She said with a wide smile.  “Hey, Master Choi! Chin up!” 

He smiled, BUT note this: he WASN’T smiling AT HER. He was smiling downwards, as if there was something amusing him. Do you understand the difference?

 “Hey! Walk with your chest held high, at least. And lift your head!” she insisted earnestly.  She tried to make eye contact with him.

He finally looked up and stared at her with a dopey smile. She stopped talking. Her smile wavered a bit, and she began to blink. She looked at him, eyes widening and  eyebrows raised. 

Then, he took a step closer. Suddenly, the mood changed. She was looking down now, her eyes weren’t searching for his anymore. Her voice changed too. It was lower. Huskier? 

“Oh…I bet you had a really tough time today.”
Taek steadily gazed at her, but she kept her eyes averted. She also kept blabbering, as if to fill the silence. “Well, yeah…losses happen…”
Without a word, he took his hands out of his pockets, and he reached out to hold her wrists, gripping them. He took another step. She was finally quiet. He leaned in; dropped his head onto her shoulder. She seemed to catch it with her neck. 

[The camera focused on his face.] 
His head was resting on her shoulder, his face expressionless.
She stuttered. Her voice was hesitant, softer, totally different from the chirpy voice she had used early. “You… you worked hard.” 
And he smiled widely.

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See the difference between this one and dramabeans?  Because of what dramabeans wrote, most people didn’t see the nuance of their brief encounter. Moreover, the impression planted in the readers’ heads was that TK merely sought a comfy shoulder pillow buddy. Look, if you're a shipper for TK-DS, you shouldn't be accepting that kind of interpretation passively. lol. That's a very superficial way of looking at the script. You have to dig in deeper. 

See these points:

1) When she crept up to him and started talking, he was secretly smiling, NOT because he was happy to see HER, but because HE knew what she was up to: trying to cheer him up. He's been doing this all the time. He smiles even when she's not looking at him. Just check out the beach scene. Or the banana scene with NoEul.

 2) When he looked dopily at her, it wasn’t because he was so tired that he couldn’t focused his eyes. True, he was tired. But he was wryly amused by her efforts. No fool [and he's a genius] stares a girl like that for more 2 seconds without a thought entering his mind. A thought must be running in his head. lol. Like, should I kiss her? Will that get me slapped hard on the face? Maybe I should just check it out another day.

3) One thing for sure, Taek was thinking, muzzily, “This girl’s so cute.” Remember? He finds her cute all the time, even with the mice caper.   

4) When DS started blinking, her voice lowered, and she stammered, it was obvious that she felt nervous, disconcerted, unsettled. 

But why? 

If this was her friend she’s always felt motherly for -- as others claim -- then this was the perfect time to turn on that maternal love full blast. Like, pat his back, brush his hair, offer him milk and banana, babytalk, wipe his snot, coo… whatever. But she wouldn't be feeling like this all flustered and nervous, if her feelings were simply motherly. 

5) Finally, when he laid his head on her shoulder, sure, he was resting. But he definitely wasn’t dozing. Look: just because somebody’s face is expressionless doesn’t mean it’s not paying attention. Still water runs deep. 

Taek could have very well been waiting. Waiting for the next move. Waiting for a reaction from her. Waiting for the moment to pass, Or waiting for the moment of connection.

6) And when she stumbled on her next words, he knew. That was why he smiled. 

He didn’t smile because “Ahhhh! She appreciates how hard I worked today.” Nope! lol. What is he?? A kindergartner who needs recognition for his hard work? He had TROPHIES for his hard work. And accolades.  And millions of won. And liquor….let’s not forget liquor….
 
He smiled because he heard the confusion in her voice, her uncertainty, her awkwardness. 

Look: if you’re a boy in love, that’s what you’re a looking for in a girl whose affection you’re also unsure of.You want to know that you haven’t left her cold or that she treats you like one of her “pet cases”.  Do you understand that? 

And Taec received confirmation. Hence, the smile. 

That was why the following day it was just fitting that TK greeted DS with that stupid syrupy silly sickening smarmy “Deok-sun, anyeeong.”  [So uncool. ugh! 

But did YOU get the joke by scriptwriter?  

Last night, DS did all the talking. If you listen to the YT clip again, TK was silent throughout that encounter. SHE was the one making a fool of herself with her blabbering and stammering and sudden nervousness. This morning, as payback, it's TKwho was looking foolish.

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Guessing time again: Do you think he lied here? 

@nearsea, Thanks for looking for that YT video.

@shooastrid, sorry about the baduk again. My laptop is wonky right now, but I'll post my prophecy tomorrow.  

So, she challenged the mainstream interpretation of the scene where TK's resting his head on DS's shoulder for the first time. We probably dismissed the scene quickly as an act of DS's mothering TK, or his need for her consolation, but going with the basis of his love for DS, PM3 interpreted that scene differently. It's as if TK was testing the water, seeking a confirmation from DS's reaction to their proximity. Indeed, TK has always been described as the quiet one, the expressionless one. However, that does not mean that he does not hold depth. We sure can read the motives behind his action. 

And she also did a detail job, interpreting DS's reaction here.

[mangachickava]

sigh we just need to wait for the scene....like in reply 1994 there was scene of CB KISSING NJ in front of trash....the context of the scene really matters

[nearsea]

@heolaaa It was from the link you posted =S,however I will upload the image again.Can you see the guy in front of the movie shooting equipment with four wheels? We were talking about that man/woman,who might be tk.But I'm not sure anymore.@Phuong Tam Nguyen might carry on with her pursuit .

[Abim Syazili]

ONE MORE DAY.

YASH.

ONE MORE DAY.

PREPARE FOR THE WORST.

PREPARE FOR THE PARTY.

PREPARE FOR BOTH.

HM..

[Phuong Tam Nguyen]

16 minutes ago, nearsea said:

@heolaaa It was from the link you posted =S,however I will upload the image again.Can you see the guy in front of the movie shooting equipment with four wheels? We were talking about that man/woman,who might be tk.But I'm not sure anymore.@Phuong Tam Nguyen might carry on with her pursuit .

 

Haha thanks so much @nearsea but my eyes cannot TAEK it anymore hahaha, it's too small =))

[aykam]

Sorry.i wrote wrong my id. My id - aykaminoz

[sarsu]

@Phuong Tam Nguyen @nearsea btw wasn't the article with the pictures realesed as TK&DS filming? So I doubt that JH would be there. Might be trolling though, idk. But I think that the one in the red circle is just someone from the staff. Just gut a feeling 

@bebe1989 sawrry, I don't have an ID to there yet, I'll send it to you later 

 

[Phuong Tam Nguyen]

@packmule3 omg! YOU ARE <I can't find any word suitable to insert here>

By reading your post, I can see the nuances of life, the ordinary things behind the text that the writer wants to convey  superb beauty  

[salz]

can someone please compile all @packmule3 gold post from beginning until last ep when it end into one place and make it into a book together with all other brilliant theories for me to smile like idiot while reading and drink coffee milk on free time?

[Phuong Tam Nguyen]

but guys  as @packmule3 also pointed out that the stories could go both ways, let keep our submarine diving deep in the ocean and enjoy our time together first  the stories are much more beautiful when we are not too carried away by the husband hunt  this drama is about love, all kinds of love  

[Guest gerimisore]

My fanart! I remember @hafunohane mentioned this scene pages back and thought I'd draw this for today (also because Choi Taek with all his after-woke-up glory and stealthily sweet "annyeong.." is just plain irresistible <3)

How to start a good day à la Master Choi:

1. Greet your buddies before they’re going to school

2. Throw a separate sweet hello to your crush

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So, you guys have decided on LINE? Ah, I don't have it and can't download the app either :(( My cellphone is prolly dated back to BC that it's so ancient the only messaging app I have is Whatsapp. Have fun in the chat room 'tho! Don't forget to share the juicy bits here for people who can't join the convo there (like me! :<).

[MissBelle]

@gerimisore Line actually has a version for pc/mac if you want to participate in the group chat

[mangachickava]

I got LINE! my ID is heartataek Please add me <3 

 

[hmong_lubpaj]

You guys move so fast!!! I'm a total noob with Line but add me! I'll have to catch up on all these pages and add everyone else too! I can't wait for Friday!

Add my line: hmong_lubpaj

[thirdleadsyndrome]

@nasoken im straight but cmon, what straight guy wouldnt? *cricket sounds*

[salz]

no matter what the fate of Taek-DS i would still happily read back again all the beautiful full of depth analysis of the drama and character esp Taek&DS since no matter where the destination it the journey that matter and this journey have been lot of magic.

every precious subtle interaction/inside joke/any intention of scriptwriter want to convey that i would usually just watching without thinking and just blink or miss without ever knowing so im grateful i get to think outside the box here after reading someone else opinion and get to enjoy&view the beauty of the drama from another angle

so whatever the answer from 1988 im just glad to board this submarine even if people laugh at our so called delusion but this journey in deep sea is full of laugh and meet wonderful bunch of interesting people 

[nearsea]

1 hour ago, mangachickava said:

sigh we just need to wait for the scene....like in reply 1994 there was scene of CB KISSING NJ in front of trash....the context of the scene really matters

This time reply has been quite conservative right? Apart from sw-bora,we did not get any other kissing scene lol.So it might be that the occasions of  hug/or carrying on back have equal importance in case of showing intimacy/feelings for the other one special..

[bebe1989]

@shooastrid and @packmule3 

suddenly i got goosebump, the explaination is priceless ! All this time, we see taek and ds have a good relationship, they talk a lot, take care each other, ds have a lot smile and laughing if she talk with taek, i dont know exactly what ds feel about him? But still, everytime taek start skinship (about lean on his head to ds) she became nervous, and silent. Those skinship are priceless to me. Her "baby" act like "baby" to her. but why ds feel nervous and became silent?? Only choi taek can do this, remember when JH and ds bump each other, (im talking about chest to chest) ds wasnt nervous that time.

the second time choi taek lean on her shoulder, she became silent yet feel comfortable with him. Look at her eyes !

everytime she crying Taek was there, where is JH at that time?

taek understand her very well, when ds affraid to go to toilet, taek initiative to follow and wait for her. When ds sick, he give her medicine. But what JH do? He Just asked "are you okay?"

i know DS did the same thing to JH, but because she want to sleep. 

If we talk about ds school time, about ds always trying to go to study room, at that time, JH was waiting for her, give her umbrella. If taek stay as student, we might have to see him caring ds as well, but he is busy person now?

if the writer wont give taek time to make a move, i will angry to the writer !!! Because what???? SW and JH have time to explain their feeling and make move to DS ! But taekii?

It would be weird if ds choose jh so easy, and never really realize choi taekkkkk feeling to her !

Remember DS might have her flutter to JH, it because DS really wanted to be loved ! Not because she fall into him. Hehehehe

a lot reason why DS should realize her feeling first toward choi taek !

1. Why she close taek world to her friends? Even for autograph, she wont allow it. 

2. Why she always smile arround choi taek? Taek wasnt funny person.

3. If he still baby to her, she wont nervous at all if taek lean on her. 

4. DS still naif to me ! She wont aware her feeling, because she still busy trying to catch a man, the one with most possible to like her !

And the hints:

1. After ds talk with dr about her love life "why no one like her?" Suddenly taek appear and give pizza.

2. She love the gloves from taek ( eventhought she narration about she wont make it obviously if she was happy while the scene she wore JH gloves)

3. Even she think JH like her, she always take care taek (im talking about, the scene when she brought food to taek, and bleeding her nose)  ! If she really like JH, she wont make JH uncomfortable with taking care taek too much, even taek is their friends. I prefer to spend my time to the one i like, than taking care my friend. (Yup i know they all bestfriends) but in love sometimes make you the most selfish person.

4. When ds expecting sw to confess, taek suddenly call her. 

I know, all times we saw JH and DS a lot screen time, like sweet couple wanna be. A lot ppl praise to them. But why JH always one step to late???? If we talk about hints, ds always choose taek ! No matter what.

5. The song from no eul was background the last scene when taek cancel the date ! (The song was about fall in love again with the same person"

lol i find my self writing a lot. Like im confident about choi taek, deserve to be loved. Hahaha

[shooastrid]

Guys, another superb subtext reading from @packmule3

The first time I saw this, I got a goosebumps too @bebe1989

If I were the PD/writer, I would not waste such foreshadowing imagery and would use the actual TK's bday cake cutting scene to resemble future cake cutting scene... A.K.A. The actual TK and DS's wedding (my wishful thinking here guys :p) They covered it up nicely with DS's hype with cakes (she loves cakes!), and overall messy and loud tone of that particular scenes of TK's bday, so that such skinship had been missed from our attention. And here I was, complaining that TK and DS was lacking skinship, lol.

Seriously, I can't help but appreciate PD and writer's ability to craft such a detailed story. Bow down.

If you like, please show your appreciation to her actual posts on the main thread.  Page 375 and 374. Let's not have it buried too fast.  She deserves like Million Likes! If not for them, then it is for people who deserve to read her insights.

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1 hour ago, packmule3 said:

Wedding Jokes x 2. 

Whether you ship a couple or not, you have to appreciate the sense of absurdity these scriptwriter and director have. They like to play inside jokes that probably aren’t meant to be seen until after the show and we know the final outcome of the husband-hunt. 

For instance, did you know that two weddings already occurred in the show? lol.

Remember how, in Episode 2, DS teases TK to drink his milk so he can grow up quickly and marry her? Well, DS’ wish actually comes true and the wedding happens before the episode ends.

Like this: 

After finishing a serious conversation with his future father-in-law (troll!), TK enters his quiet house and his gang surprised him with his birthday party aka THE wedding party.  

Presenting the groom, the bride, and the best men --

He supplies the drinks for the wedding (yes, the groom always pays for the bar at the reception). TK gets liquor from his tournaments, apparently. 

JH is the photographer. All weddings must have a photographer. Look at the angle of his camera. His camera was focused on DS. Not TK so TK had to side-angle to face him. The resulting pic would have shown a couple shot, TK and DS, just like a wedding photo. 

JH also tells him to change his clothes because he looks like an “old man” in them, meaning, TK has grown old enough to marry DS in reference to the DS joke about drinking milk to grow up.

SW turns up the volume of the TV because what wedding is without blaring trumpets and loud organ music? 
DR is the crazy emcee ordering people around. 
Last but not the least, the DS grabs his hand and with joined hands, they cut the wedding cake (aka the birthday cake).  

The joke would have been fne if it ended here. But this is the part I like best.  JH kicks him for no good reason. Hahaha. Seriously, if I were JH, I'd do more than kick him for stealing the girl. Probably pummel him to pieces? 

However, this joke isn’t complete. This is only half of it. This was the Western wedding. The KOREAN WEDDING occurred in Episode 12 -- lol – during the lessons on cursing. 

Again, parody is strong with this scriptwriter/director duo.

Typically in weddings, the groom says the vow first and the bride repeats the same words. In this case, however, the teacher DS says with the curse words first, then the student TK repeats after her. They both have their solemn faces on, and if you ignore the fact that they are spouting @#$!@#%, it appears as if they’re reciting the wedding promise. 

A picture says a thousand words. 

credit: dramabeans

The blanket covering the legs of JH, DR, and SW alludes to the paebaek ceremony. The parents sit in front of a low table with food. The couple sit on opposite sides of the table (in this case, a BADUK table, lol, nice detail, there) and an apron is spread between the bride and groom. Their parents will throw dates and chestnuts to the couple which they’ll try to catch with the apron. The number of dates and chestnuts caught will equal the number of future children. 

 

Now, as I said, these are meta-jokes intended for TK-DS. I do notice that the scriptwriter sometimes do parallel stories, for instance, there’s a jwi scene for JH then there’ll be a jwi scene for TK, a chasing scene for JH, then a chasing for TK. Although the scenes aren’t exactly alike, each one advances an insight into couple interaction.  

I’m hoping that they’ll do a parallel wedding joke for JH, too. But who knows? Probably the reason they don't have these inside jokes for JH-DS is that their real wedding is not a joke. lol. 

@sheza Thanks for suggesting the affinity between JH’s father and DS. Yes, I’ll look into that and post my thoughts on it soon.  

@shooastrid no bad u..  but I guess, you knew that already.

Of course it's not real wedding that she's showing us here. It's just an allusion of wedding scenes. However, in episode 2, it wraps everything nicely. Too nicely. The seemingly random joke that DS's said while patting his butt, TK-DS's dad conversation, to all the details of TK's bday party. The choice of dialogue, props, setting, everything screams subtexts here. It's not a fan fiction. She did not say that TK is the husband because of these scenes, she just provided us with alternative ways to interpret the scene. It's like we are trying to get inside the writer/PD's head. It's funny and clever in so many level.

We definitely can appreciate her post without secretly thinking: Ah, she's pro TK, that's why.  And we definitely should.