Park Bo Gum ❤ Girl's Day Hyeri aka REPLY 1988 TAEK x DEOKSUN

[giao_nguyen]

Hyeri Wears Park Bo Gum’s Sweater in “Reply 1988” 

leejojoba December 8, 2015

 

On the December 5 broadcast of tvN’s “Reply 1988,” episode nine showed Choi Taek (Park Bo Gum) and Duk Sun (Hyeri) taking a photo together.

Duk Sun says, “I don’t look good today.” Choi Taek replies with a big smile, “You look pretty. Your outfit looks good, too.” Duk Sun responds, “Really? This is your sweater.”

Meanwhile, it has been confirmed that the pink sweater Duk Sun is wearing does indeed belong to actor Park Bo Gum.

On Park Bo Gum’s Facebook fan page, a photo of him wearing the same sweater was posted with the comment saying, “Good, ‘Reply 1988’! The actual pink sweater worn by Choi Taek.” The proof posted are photos of Park Bo Gum wearing the pink sweater emceeing KBS’s “Music Bank” alongside the photo of Choi Taek and Duk Sun from the latest episode of “Reply 1988.”

Netizens expressed compliments to the “Reply 1988” production team for capturing and putting a spin on such detailed aspects of the characters and actors.

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Credit: http://www.soompi.com/2015/12/08/hyeri-wears-park-bo-gums-sweater-in-reply-1988/

 

I'm not sure if this has been shared yet, but I found this hilarious.

[moonkeeper]

3 hours ago, azzhuragreen said:

Wow I cant help but clap my hands while reading your comments here guys. You are truly amazing. ∩__∩

 

Same here...while reading the post of @Meliere @lxands @liteulkwin @nearsea  @minibunny  and others all I can say is it's really Cool!! Their analysis is not just analysis but supported by a strong facts and arguments... I hope that Pds just like letting most of us fall in their trap thinking JH is the husband while infact it's really Taek..

^^ 

[Meliere]

@liteulkwin Oh gosh, I agree with you completely. The mind is powerful at justifying about everything under the sun. So while I hold a small glimmer of hope for TK-DS, I've long prepared myself for JH being end game.

Your comment about the husband promise ("we'll make it really obvious this time") is really interesting! This is exactly how I've kinda interpreted the romance all along until today (LOL ... too much photographing = delusions galore?). Because JH looks, acts, and speaks like the modern-day hubby, I thought from ep. 1 that there wouldn't even be a husband hunt, because the resemblance is so similar it's like a joke (they even wear the same gray shirt - black pants outfit!)

When Taek entered the running in ep. 6, I was only mildly surprised (the milk scene in ep. 2 kinda hinted to me that he'd have a crush). But I was mostly sad at that point, because I was afraid his awesome characterization would be reduced to hopeless second lead (i.e. the 3rd reiteration of Taewoong and Chilbong). By that point, Taek had become my fav character. I play a little baduk myself, and felt kinda mad they'd reduce such an awesome baduk master into sad second lead.

I approached ep 7 with a mindset of "too bad Taek is going to get chilbonged, but there's no way I'm going to fall for their husband game antics." But somehow, between ep 7 and 10, Taek's character became way more interesting and developed than I'd ever hoped for, .... and so I got roped in. *SIGH*

On a meta level, there are two ways to interpret the current setup:

1. The 1988 team really means it when they say they'll make it obvious this time. 1997 & 1994 were such ratings successes that they won't mess with the formula. They'll try to improve it, but the fundamental structure will not change. You know that game JH's dad played with Miran? The finger in mouth thing? He did it exactly THREE times. Same with DS and TK at the beach. One can interpret this as, "are you fangirls so stupid as to fall for it over and over? I told you it was obvious!"
2. The 1988 team is too smart to rely on the same formula the third time, and not expect it to be tired/cliched/predictable. No one answers when you call wolf for the third time. Taek's very limited screen time in the first episodes is a strategic choice. The writer purposefully introduces a sheep in wolf's clothing-- Taek may seem like Chilbong/Taewoong at first, but he evolves into the lead. That smoking scene was pure subversion.

 

It'd be pretty cool if the latter happened. I'm not holding too much hope, simply because well ... kdramas aren't really subversive and surprising; what they do well is dress up the same old tropes in ever more shiny veneers. BUT if it does happen, AM 1988 will be forever badass in my book for dismantling a whole decade worth of kdrama plot infrastructure (you know, that ridiculous 4-player team with the OTP flanked by annoying triangles).

 

[lxands]

In ep 2.....

The boys eating lunch at school...JH persuade SW to play soccer with them, SW refused becos  he doesn't like the bullying senior. JH defended the senior, saying he's a good person. SW asked based on what is he a good person? JH answered," He doesnt smoke"!!!! There JH must really hate smoking if he can vouch for a big school bully as a good person just becos he doesn't smoke! One possible reason beside his body immune system issue, adult JH doesn't smoke.

@Meliere a very good point on Taek's talking to Sung appa & apologising for not making it to his mother's funeral. It reflects 2 things here, one Sung family is important enuf to him to attend DS's grandma funeral. Two, It didn't matter much to the other 3 because while DS was crying her heart out none of them comforted her. Intact they happily try to sneak into x rated movie cinema &  watching porn in Teak's room although he wasn't around...

As for the storyline, I dont think DS will date more than one boy from the group. They have been so close too each other since young its gonna be hard & most probably ruin their beautiful friendship if she dated more than one boy. So I bet its gonna be another DS-SW story. One of them just keep their feeling to himself. Or most probably after DS excitement with JH's answer but confused her when he give her cold shoulder & turn into another disappointment she gives up on the boys from her block. Even when Taek gives her all the care & attention she refuse to believe he cares for her as a man. Maybe she starts going on blind date with her friends. Perhaps JW wud come as cameo when they pass thru 1994  as DS's date, before Trash see NJ as a woman & NJ comes to sabotage their date  * my wishful thinking* broken hearted Taek might focus on his Baduk cchampionship for a while before joining their 2 years compulsory military service. And may be during the army he learn to loosen up, more curse & sarcasm. And start going on dates with other girls until he meet DS again who is still single & available. Also hopefully by then DS already clear abt where her heart belongs...becos she's mad with jealousy when she sees Taek on a date with other girls

 

[giao_nguyen]

Hi everyone,

After 10 long episodes, I've decided to jump on this ship and I am going down with it. I don't have that many insightful thoughts or am fast on catching all the hints the PD/ writer has been throwing here and there. I don't think I observed everything well enough to jump on the conclusion that Teak is the husband or bother to argue that he's the husband. I'm just gonna share some thoughts why I'm on this ship although after a convo with my friend who also follows this show, we both kinda agreed that JH seems to be most likely the hubby. 

As for someone who doesn't follow k-entertainment much nor watch a lot of K-dramas like myself (I watch probably 2 dramas a year at best), I really didn't know much about the cast of AM88 besides DS's parents (for some reason, I watched the first 2 seasons of this series). So you can tell I started watching it objectively without a clue and I don't really root for anyone. I usually let their chemistry win my heart over. And Teak and DS did it! 

Like some of you have mentioned, JH realized his feelings for DS only because they shared an intimate moment in a dark alley, only because they were so physically close. Tell me it doesn't sound shallow to you. And from that point on, PD tried to walk us down the path where we saw all that JH's feelings have been developed and such while neglected Teak's feelings. I honestly think It seems so forced and all how they tried to make us fall for DS and JH. Their chemistry isn't strong enough to convince me that wow this is it, they have to be together or whatsoever. And how funny, they decided to reveal Teak's feelings much later on. At that point, I was like well yeah Teak, you're late to the party. I'm not gonna lie, I thought they would just go on and on, show more JH's feelings with his moves, and continue to let Teak's feelings float on the side then shove it in between JH and DS sometimes when they need the drama to get a little dramatic. But hell, I was so wrong. They even gave us 2 episodes (9 and 10) full of cuteness between Teak and DS. I was so pissed at Teak when DS came to China with him, and he barely interacted with her throughout the whole trip (I get it, he was in a competition and what not). But when he smiled back at her when she waved and smiled at him after the game, it gave me that butterfly feeling. And that is when I fell for them. Everything should be floating naturally like that. So even they don't have to do much at all, we're still able to feel the love and affection. This is what I'm talking about. Chemistry is a big deal for me when I watch a K-drama.

As for JH, it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up being the husband. I just think the PD has spent too much time to show how his feelings developed towards DS without even giving them screen time together, while showing us all the lovely dovey moments between Teak and DS. The way they portray DS/JH together gives off that friendship feeling. While on the other hand, they show us how Teak looks at DS passionately even though they don't really go cray cray at each other at all. They even included how DS always thoughtfully take care of Teak. Haha... I really hope the PD isn't dragging us on a nice cruise all happily then decides to dump us down into the ocean later on. That would be really cruel, especially for Teak. If JH and DS ended up together,  It would be the PD's fault that I fell out of interest for their original pair.

Well, I'm being objective and hopeful as much as I can although I already prepare myself for the worst case scenario. I'm already on this ship. There is no going back. Stay strong everyone

 

[aurora1205]

@liteulkwin   I will give you a secret about PBG and his infamous flower boy criticism 

Spoiler

I don't have any intention to watch NC even for JW let alone PBG since I nearly memorized it's origin I can't handle kdrama version ^^ So based on IRY if you ever gonna watch it you will see that  there is nothing common between his portrayal of mysterious lawyer there and  clumsy genius here. I was very active in that forum and  I was very occupied with  analysis of true mastermind which was intruding  more than other characters. PBG fleshed out his character well enough so one can't simply love or fan girl over him there, if they really look at story not his creepy/pretty face^^ I don't want to talk back to people but trust me he is far more than flower boy since he's as talented as  likes of SJK and JIS. So you can guess more or less what is being implied  but it's okay everyone has their own eyes and judgement no need to bother with that kind of discrimination 

 

About  Taek's infamous overlapping  Chilbong theory 

Spoiler

If you don't trust  writers , you can trust korean audience. Do you think someone  based on a real life baduk master who hold honor of life long achievements will be end up chilbonged? (I haven't met with CB yet but I assumed it means miserable?) Lol, some people sure has  post second lead syndrome to the point disregarding  very solid character like Taek. 

 

[liteulkwin]

@Meliere I absolutely cannot agree with you more. Please never leave this thread.

I've looked back on myself and can actually see the progression of:

Ep 1-2: Not sure who's the husband yet but OT5 yo. JH's little smirk icu. Y'all think DS's gotten prettier, huh? Nudge nudge, wink wink. TK deserves all the hugs in the world: "I miss my mom every day "
Ep 3-4: ... OH DEAR GOD I'VE FALLEN FOR JH HE'S SO THE HUSBAND sorry SW
Ep 5-6: Oh good.. SW is not a problem paired with awesome twist. I love JH. Just absolutely love him. Wait...WAIT- TK NO. I promised I'd love JH!
Ep 7-8: Chants I love JH. But okay but why can't I stop thinking about TK
Ep 9-10: ...... All aboard the Taektanic. I will go down with this ship.

And I honestly will. I'm not in this thread because I love DS and TK together. I mean, I do. But I'm in this thread first and foremost because TK is my favorite male character, and DS is my favorite female character. And if the SeonTaek ship can make me beautiful favorite character babies then I'm all for it. It depends on if their romance would work or not though. I will always stand down to lack of chemistry. Now we know PBG and HR don't lack chemistry and that TK and DS are the cutest pair of friends ever, but what if they explored a romantic relationship? Maybe it won't work out ... but just don't string him along like Chilbong please. They played me until the last episodes  "It's not over until it's over," they told me. Omg. ..W..h...y...

The thing about 2015 husband being the carbon copy of JH... I definitely see it. The only thing that TK has on JH right now is the smoking (I don't trust the left handed clue just yet. I'll wait until husband starts writing or eating before I believe it), and that's a thing that just about anyone can pick up. Heck, even DS could be a smoker if she wanted to be. (P.S. Is it legal for TK to smoke right now... TK pls.) Though yes, going along with some arguments, personalities can certainly change in 27 long years. I agree with it to some extent. There are a couple of things in the 2015 scenes that really throw me off when I imagine 1988 TK in Husband's place (I'm staring at you, Husband asking DS if she'd like a mirror scene, implying she's not as beautiful now. TK, I thought DS was the sun). But the present-day scenes are traditionally meant to throw you off. Remember the confusion over why on earth Yoonjae would ask Shiwon if she'd gained weight? Fixed with a simple, "It's your chubby cheeks when you've got your hair tied up! Dey kute doe. " Also that they only see each other on the weekends because of work... Yeah, of course. We all saw that coming. TK though, we've already seen him do things beyond "awkward, cute, quiet, baduk genius" (i.e. cursing, smoking) I wouldn't be surprised if they twisted it to make him gradually more like Husband just to play with us.

I've seen someone on the main thread say that the actor claims he doesn't know whether he's JH or TK yet, so he's just winging it. I'm sure PD would correct him on anything he's doing with too much liberation. We can trust that he's portraying Husband how he's intended to be portrayed, but I'm not convinced we should analyze it too much. Especially with the disaster of analyzing Najung's blurred wedding photos... I still don't think everyone's aware that they had originally filmed those scenes with fill-ins on purpose- so that we don't overanalyze them (also so the actors don't know).

Regarding the first set-up... Yes! Those scenes with the feed-teasing could so be their indirect message to us. "Reply 1997 and 1994 were obvious," they claimed when it ended. Here it comes the third time. But the second set-up, like you said, would be oh-so-amazing. Not only would the second lead win (you don't get many of those endings!), but to have had originally set the second lead up as some supporting character? You totally got us this time. The more I try to psychoanalyze the writer from behind a computer screen, the more ridiculous my ideas sound though. I'm pretty sure this "They could pull out the second lead twist!" argument is the same as the ones I've used to justify by uncertainty in the previous seasons. Only this time around, I can't ignore the fact that TK is not a typical second lead.

I'm trying not to put too much hope on it either. I'm invested in TK as a character, but I'm also still seeing the blaring signs of JH. It's so hard to emphasize that I'm on this ship knowing that there's very little hope for it. I don't want to shove TK down any of Team JH's throats. I just want to think of it more as I'm just raving about my favorite character. If he's passionately in love with DS then of course I have to support it.

And hahaha oh yes. The infamous "love square". I was worried about a "love square" appearing in this drama when I saw RHY listed on the cast, but I should have figured since Reply has never had that. All second lead actresses have had their own love story which I'm happy to follow as well. Side note from this thread but SW/BR had better be my safety net when Taektanic goes down. If I don't get either of these, I will reduce to nothing but a puddle of tears.

@lxands This is precisely why I'm not sure who I support DS with chemistry-wise yet. None of the guys have really been there for her; this is including both JH and TK! She didn't run to any of them when her middle child problems. None of them celebrated her birthday nor even wished her a happy one on camera. We didn't get to see any of them offer condolences on her grandmother's death (except TK, but that was towards DS's father which is a whole other analysis). I want to see the future husband do something that screams We were meant to be.

@onlysb1I looked up a couple of PBG's cuts from other works after becoming his fan. I trust it! He's a typical flower boy, yes. But I'm so much more interested in the expressions on his face than his face itself. Not everyone connects with art the same way though. Of course, I don't only want to compliment PBG. RJY's acting has been amazing so far. I haven't seen his films, but he's a drama rookie! His expressions during the TK confession was on point. And you mentioned TK being based off of a real person... I forgot about that. I don't even know where to start with the analysis on that haha! Another day.

[lovelyrainy]

I'm glad I found this thread, I almost gave up on the hunting and just accept the bitter truth that JH is husband because he seems like the type of characters that PD prefers.

However as you guys stated, it's too obvious if it's JH because the husband acts exactly the same as him. I'll give my 2 scents here

- The PD stays loyal to his statement that this time, they'll just focus on the family, so he kept the husband hunting simple just because it's this series' trademark.

- Or this's how he trolls everyone in believing the husband is JH when indeed it's Taek.

after R94, I am seriouly hurt and be cautious toward this subject. I wonder why they decided to postpone airing eps 17 and 18 "to make an ending that satisfy everyone"

- Is it because almost everyone loves JH so they have to write it carefully and convincingly so people won't be mad when it's really Taek.

- Or, this is what I'm worried, they intended to make Taek husband (explain the progess and changes in his character) but because netizens love JH, they decided to change the ending?

Because if it's indeed JH, I find no reason for them to "make the ending better", everyone will love it for sure

[moonkeeper]

I was re-watching some ep. I'm wondering why when DS refused to introduce Taek to her friends..she always say some reason /excuses why can't..same with the second time..and tbh they also emphasize what's her views about Taek..

what im trying to say is DS may have some frustrations about Taek that maybe she can't imagine him as a man yet .. But even like that DS still embrace ,accept , care too much and protect him from other girls... 

I just really observed that Taek is always part of her..even when she have crush with SW ..she always Talk about Taek..

Maybe this is nonsense...  hihihihi!!

[aurora1205]

@moonkeeper  It's partly true ^^ No she doesn't see him as a man not even after Baduk tournament and Beach date. But it is exactly the reason why I find it more organic development.  since she emphasizes Taek can't meet with girls , it's kinda foreshadowing she will be dumbfounded  if she sees him dating ^^ But you know most probably Taek gonna be dumped by lots of girls ^^

[moonkeeper]

Guys this is just out of curiosity..which come first? 

DS ask JH if she will go to date or the Beach scene?

because if DS have hint already that JH likes her..and she feel something for JH..or maybe develop to crush,  she will atleast careful... 

Hihihihi...but I guess her feelings/crush thing is not so strong yet..becoz when it comes to Taek..Sometimes they have this special bonding that quite difficult to break..

Beach scene all along she's with Taek.. She always laughing with Taek..their actions compliment each other...^^

 

[moonkeeper]

My alone time makes me think more and more about TK/DS..

please bear with me... Hihihi!

I was thinking that DS is really the first love of TK..

and DS might be the same...but since they are very closed and have this so deep connection, DS don't realized it..she can't  distinct the difference of friendship love and first love because they are too closed...their bonding are too deep that quite difficult to label in..

And then she got discover this crush thing with/SW ..then With JH...with the help of her girl friends..

she will experience this crush thing and when something bad happen (event that makes Taek decided to date other girls..hihihihi) between TK and DS ..later on maybe realized about Taek and who's Taek really in her life...

 

 

 

[uritagoon]

if, JUST IF the husband is really uri puppy choi taek. i hope we will see the teenage daughter of deoksun that portrayed by hyeri with taek's personality. and otherwise the teenage son of deoksun is portrayed by bogum with deoksun's personality. HAHAHAH dunno, just found it so so funny

[Nguyen Diem]

I remember when Taek confessed with the boys that he like DS everyone just say that the 1st who confess will lost the girl. But c'on, DS wasn't there, she had no clue about it. Taek was too shy to admitted when DS was around.

The one like DS that she has already knew is JH.

So I cant wait for the moment DS realize Taek's feeling for her. And know that he's her mr.right 

 

[hafunohane]

This thread discussion made me wonder about the previous episodes. During DS's crush on SW (which JH found out about) and during the brief misunderstanding period in which JH thought SW liked DS, how did it look like JH was gonna react? Was/did JH take a step back during that moment? I recall JH trying to brush it off when SW was gonna explain about the dictionary... but what else? What happened to him after? I may need to rewatch the previous episodes but I think it will give us an idea as to whether or not JH will truly go down the noble idiocy route for the next few episodes and how committed he would be in 'giving up' DS for Taek. Previews are always misleading in this series and I think it might be that JH is just considering his next step after knowing about TK's feelings? And this might not be because he wants to be a noble idiot, but truly because he loves both TK and DS and don't want to lose either one. I think that might also be why he has not made a bold move in terms of his crush. Keep in mind JH did not even tell DR/ SW about his crush, and instead he covers it up by always bashing her in front of them, even when DS was absent. He did not admit DS's cuteness in front of the boys. He even laughed it off. It may also be because like some people have said before me, perhaps JH's feelings isn't that deep yet at this stage or he doesn't want to jeopardize the OT5's dynamic.

---

I've been jumping between between the three threads, and some people question WHAT HAVE TAEK DONE FOR DS??

Like it's mentioned that JH has done several things for DS, such as:

1. Buying her the pink gloves when he's not her Manitto. 

2. Giving her umbrella.

3. Waiting for her in front of his house/ until late at night after she goes to the study room.

But in the other thread they asked whether Taek has done anything for DS that is out of his feelings for her. Like, the volley scene at the beach, it's a given that anybody who is with DS at that time would do that. It's instinctive. Also, the pink mittens are DS's idea, plus it's given to her one day late. And DS asked for gloves not mittens. I would argue for the sake of Taektanic that he did make a move when the first snow falls, but then he fell asleep and DS looks annoyed while she was eating up that popcorn.

The other ship discussed how TK-DS's relationship seems to be revolved around her doing things for TK especially in ep 9. So, adding to the list of what should happen in order to make TK a stronger contender, I propose Taek does something swoonworthy/ romantic/ special that is still very characteristic of TK that would make DS see him in a different light. And he does it out of his feelings for DS, not because he was instructed to do so. I know they keep adding layers to TK, like making him smoke and telling off the reporter to leave etc.. but while those acts stunned DS for a second they didn't change the way DS treat TK afterwards..

I LOVE TAEK as a character. I am worried that he keeps chugging those meds, wear thin layers of clothes, doesn't eat regularly when he competes unless someone monitors him. HE BETTER MAKE IT TO 2015.

So if this ship is going down, I hope it goes down in all its glory instead of making TK this uniquely awesome character only to have him end up as Chilbongie 2.0 because he is such a unique character with so many layers...  

[Guest hien le]

 

I can't stop thinking about Teak and sun, 

I have reasons to say, the husband in2015 may act like JH, but may be he is not JH. 27 years enough to change one' s behavior, such as DS becomes feminine,bora too, DS not yelling with her brother, she shows her care to him. Thus, may be teak will open and shows his opinions with his love more. I dont think JH will smoke because on last eps,SW said both JH and JB are not healthy.

I predict on next episode , by somehow both teak and JH give up thier love for sun. Ds will disappoint and she will refuse her emotions to one of them later, that why the film will jump to 1994. May be, DS family will move, I remember her uncle  live in U.S where have open immigrant law that time, that why she will be separated from these boys, and when she come back Korea, on 1994. These kids grow up, and they can face to their love and friendship . They will continue their story. 

[moonkeeper]

Its really fun to be here in this forum! each of us sharing their analysis and point of view...sometimes each post fact support other analysis and arguments..

i will not be surprise if later on before the shows end we figure out already how the story will goes..ha hahahaha!! Thumbs up Taek Shippers!!!

[aurora1205]

I think we need to look pessimistic so we can  avoid misinterpretations here and try to see clearly current situation so we can see possible future moves ^^ Baduk admirer mode off ^^

DsxJH confrontation moment was  before they went to the beach, then they showed it as flashback at the end. This is very first flashback they have so it must mean some important deciding point. 

Now, JH has upper hand here. He is not stupid not to realize with what intention DS asked that question, so he answered according to that. That's why even if they don't officially dating, I can see his confidence has a basis now. The moment Taek confesses his feelings must  hurt because he is already in action. 

So first confession actually comes from JH which means according to the bro code Taek can step away if JH protects his love but if he doesn't than Taek can make his move which  I don't approve of it. If DS indeed has feelings before she discovers it firstly  she should see him as a man, while  she doesn't if Taek confesses then the only result can be rejection:/

 

[liteulkwin]

I've noticed two small things that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet. They're not husband hints, but I just want to talk about them as a part of TK's character.

• When DS brought food over to TK's house, and he met her outside, she began to chastise him on not dressing warmer. Before she brought this up, he smiled and was all, "What did I do wrong now?" Then when she moves to head in first, he just smiles to himself for a second before following.
  
  • This scene just made me feel like TK likes to be fussed over by DS. Did anyone else get that feeling? He looked gleeful just like 'Ah, what have I done wrong for her to poke at now.' So could this mean that he purposely does anything that would make DS worry about him?
• At the beach, when DS brought back the coffee and he asked if she really made it herself and she responded like he was ridiculous, he had this small moment where he just leered at her.
  
  • This is a completely new expression from TK towards DS. All he ever usually does is smile at her (because she's his sun). He does smile at her later, but doesn't he look a little defensive here?

 

55 minutes ago, uritagoon said:

if, JUST IF the husband is really uri puppy choi taek. i hope we will see the teenage daughter of deoksun that portrayed by hyeri with taek's personality. and otherwise the teenage son of deoksun is portrayed by bogum with deoksun's personality. HAHAHAH dunno, just found it so so funny

 

THIS WOULD BE SO HILARIOUS. Now I really want this.

[aurora1205]

Omo, did we separated shippers paradise just to go through cold wars?  

Well let's not forget we saw some of the sweet moments from boys pov. How  DS supposed to know JH was lacing his shoes again and again just to wait her? Bruh...