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[violet90 21,973]

another thing is on why HS cannot be WS queen....? 

WS is the type that don't care about anything else beside HS.. he even want to married her despite she became a servant and defying king order just because HS not being protected when he gone.. this is a few thing on why the rule is not something WS will follow if its concern HS.. so whether HS have a scar or don't have a family its not something that WS care when he became a king.. everyone who talk about HS behind him is being punish.. simple as that...

BUT i think WS will approach YH for power and her back up to revolt WY.. remember YH did offer him to be a king and she can do that so my opinion is YH deal with WS is to make her as his queen and not HS.. he have to accept that because that the only way to save HS ( i still think that HS will be held ) this is the only thing that make WS so desperate... and yes YH will be his queen but to make WS throw HS away is just YH dream... WS will likely keep HS beside him with no tittle but she got everything that a queen got..

HS will be the one that people respect and care about in palace.. first because her nature as a good person and how she help people.. also HS voice is much more powerful than YH cause WS listen to her.. this one totally going to make YH mad cause she the queen but HS gain the power.. the battle of women but HS have WS back up.. i totally can see why IU said HS will be ruthless.. not in term of fighting with YH but defense what belong to her... 

 

[SizzlerZ 5,492]

3 hours ago, briseis said:

New stills featuring HS as sanggoong and there is Chaeryung so it seems they will go with her "spy" storyline

 

@briseis what is the 'spy' storyline? I read in the C-version Chaeryung caused HS and WS to break up but I don't know how she went about that and how she was a spy. 

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37 minutes ago, dears said:

What I like about this thread is its very active nature. Even when it's not Monday - Tuesday, you guys swarm the thread with many things, so it is quite crowded. Keep it up guys. I always have fun seeing all your posts.

 

Soompi is like coffee and protein bar to me. The first thing i check in the morning and  nth times during the day and before i sleep. I have divulged already the usual stuff that i eat and others might vomit because of what i said but it would hypocrisy if i'll not admit it. 

[penelop3 17,036]

ALL, 

Hope you can clear something for me. CR spy on WS because 9th Prince asks her to. But on whose order?

i'm still blur about the timeline. The spying and the death of CR will happen during So's reign as King right? Yo will be long gone. Not sure about Wook (what will happen with Wook in C version)? So 9th prince is a snake but a snake who always attach himself to a bigger snake, so who's the bigger snake?

[myramalie 1,034]

2 hours ago, millie10468 said:

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PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE IMAGES @myramalie

 

 

 

 i dun mind waiting even after the game is over. Gimme scarlet heart on Monday....

Edited October 8, 2016 by LyraYoo

[violet90 21,973]

2 minutes ago, penelop3 said:

ALL, 

Hope you can clear something for me. CR spy on WS because 9th Prince asks her to. But on whose order?

i'm still blur about the timeline. The spying and the death of CR will happen during So's reign as King right? Yo will be long gone. Not sure about Wook (what will happen with Wook in C version)? So 9th prince is a snake but a snake who always attach himself to a bigger snake, so who's the bigger snake?

 

in the Cvers... the only one that obvious for throne battle is 8th and 4th....

8th have 9th and 14th support..

4th have 13th support....

but in here i don't see where the connection between WW and 9th prince yet.. i don't know if when WY gone and in CP reign 9th form alliance with WW to save himself... i pretty sure WW is the bigger snake here.. WW is a very calculating person.. he not the type that will make it move first so even when WS reign i pretty sure he will plan a treason.. WS can't harm WW cause he's brother to YH so he have a free pass... 

 

 

[Chickpea 5,210]

Greetings, Chingu...

Just watched Ep. 13 again simply because there's nothing else on television on the internet worth watching...  Some thoughts and pardon me if I repeat something that has already been said...  I'm way, way behind...

Just a couple of random thoughts...  the preview for Ep. 14 seems to show WS marrying the CP's daughter, at least that's what the translation seems to say.  That would hold true to the history, if I'm not mistaken.  A child bride and in this scenario she will be his first wife, not his second.  Along these lines, it would put WS in line to inherit the throne after the CP.  Then I'm also thinking that the reason Taejo permitted WS to be sent away to the Krazy Kangs was because he knew he had only two sons who were born under a "kingly constellation" and he "chose" the CP so he had to remove WS and have him raised not-as-a-royal so as to insure So was no threat to the CP since he was actually the only threat to the CP.  On some level it seems the CP and So understood this which is why So defends the CP and why the CP puts him in line to inherit the keys to the Kingdom...

I'm thinking about So saying BaekAh was the only brother HS couldn't be in infatuation with since he liked Baekdo and didn't want to have to kill him.  It is fitting, then, that its BaekAh who So goes to for help in bringing back the CP...  And I hope he never has to kill him...  

I'm sad to see the change in WW, how he went from disinterested jerk to a nice guy in love to a calculating, scheming son of a female dog... but then YH is just like him so maybe its in the genes which means Queen Hwang was always more of a threat than Queen Yoo...

Well, that's it until Monday... Ciao, ciao...

[liddi 35,381]

41 minutes ago, jetsu said:

@qwenli This is the vid.  IU's part from 16.16.  My brief translation in my previous post (from my limited understanding in chinese words and what IU said in korean).

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Late last night I was craving for SoSoo .... ended up watching all these youtube videos for hours (including ep 14 preview x times).  But the one enlighten my heart was IU's cut from the special broadcast where she introduced her character Soo .... she said her meeting with So is like 2 person knowing and understanding each others, which slowly developed into a relationship between a man and a woman (meaning a romantic/love type) and a flaming/burning/passionate love  

Someone with good chinese reading skills want to translate?  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3XCeIbLx-Q

While I am not great in Chinese, but I agree with your translation based on the C-subs. My quick translation of the text leading up to what you mentioned [14:34 to 17:10]:

Narrator:
The two men who knew love for the first time because of Hae Soo. Two totally different ways were used to create a romance between Hae Soo and the 4th and 8th Princes. The story of them putting up their lives in exchange for a fated love, now begins.

[Hae Soo who stayed at her paternal cousin Lady Hae's residence,  meets the melancholic 8th Prince]
[Hae Soo who is confused and panicked in being thrown into the Goryeo age, starts to depend on the 8th Prince who treats her kindly]

LJE:
The romance that blossomed with 8th Prince was very pure, can be said to be a very ordinary love. Which is, the man and woman felt that the other was a good person on the surface, thus slowly resulted in curiosity towards each other. It was unrelated to the initial feelings (not sure if this is correctly translated). It is the kind that started with a good impression at first sight, then slowly progressed into love.

[Unexpectedly encountered 4th Prince]
[Although he was rough and cold, but she could not help but care]

[Soo's] love with 4th Prince is a little unusual. From mutual detest in the beginning, to providing comfort out of human nature, and understanding each other, which in turn gave birth to a sense of responsibility (for one other). However, this is totally different from the love between a man and a woman. It is affection between two people, which slowly grew to become a romantic love between a man and woman, a passionate love. While it is a historical drama, there are many disagreements/fights that would happen to real life couples.

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@liddi Thanks for the full translation.  

[junee22 3,693]

@aine7 I soo love your friends!!! maybe you could tell your friends that we'd really love it if they do that for us too...lololol. They're just so sweet

While me...I'm doing promotional for MLSHR in my IG account (posting pics over and over again until one of my friend sent me a ROFL expressions...hahahaha) and keep talking and posting about it..until one of my friend (noted: a young adult 20y.o guy) asked me..is it so good? is there action there? of course..I said. (but I didn't add the explanation that the action only a little.....hahaha, at least he's interested).

I know MLSHR already have a lot of fans...but a few more ppl who got interested will make it better, right? I love all of your insights, explanations of characters, and pics, also the BTSs...made me smile all day just to look at it. Love you all Eclipses!!

Oh...and I just read @liddi posts...(so I just edited my post so I won't double post) thank you sweetheart...I'm glad to know that our friends insights here about their love stories actually so right on point..My God, chingudeul!!! You are all so smart!!! (i'm not that smart...so I'm very impressed...hehe).

\^0^/

[sooji28 5,836]

Hi chingudeul.

Did SBS officially announce that 14th episode will not air?

Could someone inform me about the news?

tag @ruizaio @liddi and @LyraYoo

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49 minutes ago, LyraYoo said:

@zi4r Yeah that cablework stunts ! 

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He was making a throwback post about the vid taken from his arang days. He was cautious at that time because he is not sure if he can still pull off an action stunt because of his age. Hee.

 

 

Whoa!! I can see he execute some of his taekwando techniques. 

[JJChastity 2,293]

Watching the press conference again, I found the longer version subbed.

Then I just realize they made separate press interview between the supporting characters and the four main characters (Hae Soo, 4th, 8th, and 3rd Prince). The later I could only found Joon Gi's part subbed. Does anyone has the full interview subbed?

 

 

[ruizaio 10,807]

1 hour ago, liddi said:

I have been wondering for quite a while about how the ranking of the royal consorts work in Goryeo.

The Joseon dynasty seems a lot more similar to their Chinese counterpart, with one Queen consort to whom the rest of the consorts are subject to. However, for Goryeo, we see several queens at the same time. The C-subs which are usually extremely clear in the translations of rank, align with the English subs in addressing both Queen Yoo and Queen Hwangbo as 王后 (queen), effectively putting them on a similar ranking. @ruizaio or anyone else familiar with Korean history, can you please help to explain the level of the consorts within the Goryeo family? Queen Yoo appears to outrank Queen Hwangbo in terms of authority, yet ostentatiously they hold the same position. Are they the same rank? Or does the seniority come with who was raised to be queen first? From what I have seen, not all consorts who gave birth to princes were automatically promoted to queens, so how do they gain that title?

 

Women had more rights during Goryeo than Joseon such as having the same inheritance as their brothers. The multiple queens were considered to be of the same rank in theory. Wang Geon had three wives (first one had no children, second one had the CP, and third one is our evil queen Yu) before he became king, so all three of them became queens. Then he married Lady Hwangbo (Wook1 and Queen DM's mother) and Lady Kim (Woo2 - Baek Ah's mother), who were not queens in their life time, but were promoted later when their grandchildren became king. I couldn't find any info about when Queen 6 (whose daughters married Jeong and Wook1) became queen, but she was from the same clan as Queen 1 who was childless, so it is speculated that Wang Geon married her so that he could have children related to that clan.

MLSHR took some creative license here. Historically, Lady Hwangbo wasn't really queen, and her clan was really powerful, although not as powerful as the Yu clan (Hwangju is in North Korea, while Chungju is in the middle of South Korea - a more strategically important location). Queen 2, the mother of the Crown Prince, was from clan Oh, so Court Lady Oh may be based on her. In fact, some Korean fans wondered if she was the birthmother of the CP at first. 

Generally, only queens lived in the palace with the king, and the other Ladies lived in their own homes with their clans. It seems in MLSHR, many of the wives were still living close to the palace since at least their names come up so often. Except for the crazy Lady Kang. In history, she seems to have cared enough for So to arrange the marriage with the Hwangbo princess so that he could have the support of 3 strong clans (Yu, Shinju, and Hwangbo). 

Later, it is supposedly a member of this Shinju Kang clan that puts Wook2 (Baek Ah) and one of Wook1's daughter's illegitimate child on the throne, so that tells you something about the Kang clan. They lived near the Northern border, and were known for their military prowess in defending the kingdom.

Edit: YH's line that she doesn't want to marry Yo because she doesn't want to be his third wife and not a queen therefore is inaccurate. 

[ruizaio 10,807]

11 minutes ago, sooji28 said:

Hi chingudeul.

Did SBS officially announce that 14th episode will not air?

Could someone inform me about the news?

tag @ruizaio @liddi and @LyraYoo

 

It depends on when the baseball game ends. So we won't find out until Monday.

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@millie10468 do you know when this will be confirmed? I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BASEBALL MATCH! GIVE ME EPISODE 14 ON MONDAY!!!

[JJChastity 2,293]

While this is the full raw.

 

Has anyone ever find it fully subbed?

Why did they only sub the 13 minutes part with the supporting casts.

[violet90 21,973]

okay so on SBS side it will depend on how long the baseball match going to run...

but if that the case how about the international side.. ??? this is so confusing.. i wish they just delayed it all together rather to see how the long the match is.. now the rating might get effected and also if international side continue with their broadcasting its mean SBS will left behind 1 eps... its a MESS!!!

[penelop3 17,036]

22 minutes ago, ruizaio said:

 

Women had more rights during Goryeo than Joseon such as having the same inheritance as their brothers. The multiple queens were considered to be of the same rank in theory. Wang Geon had three wives (first one had no children, second one had the CP, and third one is our evil queen Yu) before he became king, so all three of them became queens. Then he married Lady Hwangbo (Wook1 and Queen DM's mother) and Lady Kim (Woo2 - Baek Ah's mother), who were not queens in their life time, but were promoted later when their grandchildren became king. I couldn't find any info about when Queen 6 (whose daughters married Jeong and Wook1) became queen, but she was from the same clan as Queen 1 who was childless, so it is speculated that Wang Geon married her so that he could have children related to that clan.

MLSHR took some creative license here. Historically, Lady Hwangbo wasn't really queen, and her clan was really powerful, although not as powerful as the Yu clan (Hwangju is in North Korea, while Chungju is in the middle of South Korea - a more strategically important location). Queen 2, the mother of the Crown Prince, was from clan Oh, so Court Lady Oh may be based on her. In fact, some Korean fans wondered if she was the birthmother of the CP at first. 

Generally, only queens lived in the palace with the king, and the other Ladies lived in their own homes with their clans. It seems in MLSHR, many of the wives were still living close to the palace since at least their names come up so often. Except for the crazy Lady Kang. In history, she seems to have cared enough for So to arrange the marriage with the Hwangbo princess so that he could have the support of 3 strong clans (Yu, Shinju, and Hwangbo). 

Later, it is supposedly a member of this Shinju Kang clan that puts Wook2 (Baek Ah) and one of Wook1's daughter's illegitimate child on the throne, so that tells you something about the Kang clan. They lived near the Northern border, and were known for their military prowess in defending the kingdom.

Edit: YH's line that she doesn't want to marry Yo because she doesn't want to be his third wife and not a queen therefore is inaccurate. 

 

Wow this is amazing. Thanks to @ruizaiofor the detail explanation. Now we know how much is the story deviates from history to adjust the novel.

Do you have a background history on what happen during So's reign? I remember reading somewhere that the first and second part of his term, he's doing okay, beloved even. Only during the end of his term, he started to kill of several (not many) of his relatives who are planning to revolt. 

No?

[Visually-wandering 10,226]

3 minutes ago, violet90 said:

okay so on SBS side it will depend on how long the baseball match going to run...

but if that the case how about the international side.. ??? this is so confusing.. i wish they just delayed it all together rather to see how the long the match is.. now the rating might get effected and also if international side continue with their broadcasting its mean SBS will left behind 1 eps... its a MESS!!!

 

Where can i see the news dear?? Official announcement?