[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

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@MAROSA_JIN The lake gif and those pics are love. Thank you for posting like that always. I want to give them a million likes if only it's possible. Thanks, darling. XX

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13 hours ago, fuyukoneko said:

@ Adnana: Is it possible they continued the HS and WW's relationship for so long to serve as a foil to HS and WS relationship? All the empty promises that WW does, makes WS looks much better. I think sometimes WS is too rash, but I end up thinking his action is the great in comparison to WW's inaction. 

And I totally agree they shouldn't have made the WS fall in love with HS so early on.

Also, I just finished watching episode 19 of the 35 episode C-drama , and at the beginning of the episode Ruoxi already loves the 4th prince enough that she wants to marry him. And, in an earlier episode, Ruoxi asks the 4th prince if he'll marry her to take her away from the palace. So, even though they're not officially together, I think the C-drama shows them being mutually in love for 45% of the drama.

@fuyukoneko In the C-drama, Ruo Xi and 4th are in love, you say, for 45% of the time, even though they aren't able to BE together (until 4th becomes Emperor).

Ah, but you see, the C-drama could afford to let the protagonists love each other sooner because it (compensated for it &) raised believable obstacles to keep the H/h apart until the final act--obstacles which would NOT have worked for the K-drama as written:

(1) Because it is a very different culture & political climate. 

And most importantly, because (2) Chinese 4th Prince is a very different sort of man than Wang So.

 

Leaving aside the political context, let's expand on some of the issues which make it impossible for the K-drama to mimic the relationship dynamic between Ruo Xi/4th Prince from the C-drama. (besides SHR's writer possibly, likely, not being that good & sufficiently creative in the first place)

(1) They had Lee Jun-ki as 4th Prince, so of course you don't bench him for the first half of the drama, like in the C-drama. (Though they sure did try, when production reached the editing room, the dumb donkeys.)

(2) If you have LJK's 4th Prince feature prominently from early on, you can't keep him in stasis: his character arch has to follow its natural course. And it was natural (i.e. perfectly in character) for 4th to fall in love with Hae Soo very quickly. She was the first person who treated him like a human being, who stood up to him without fear, who understood him, who empathized, and who gave him a future (by concealing his scar). There was no way he wouldn't fall for her.

(3) Wang So is the single best thing about SHR, hands down, no question or competition whatsover. He's a great character (even if the directing/editing hasn't really done him complete justice.) But he's a very different sort of man than Chinese 4th Prince. The obstacles that impeded Chinese 4th would have barely registered with Wang So (who, lest we forget, went up to bat against the King himself for Hae Soo). My point is, if Hae Soo had accepted Wang So, there's literally nothing that would have stopped him from being with her very early on. If character consistency in SHR is worth anything, I firmly believe that. The logical sequence would have gone like this:

SoSoo acknowledge mutual love early (like in the C-drama) => marriage => History breakdown!

Also unacceptable deviation from the source novel, and unacceptable loss of tension for the remaining 1/2 of the drama (if the romantic conflict is settled so soon).

See the problem?

 

I said it in my previous post, and I say it again: Wang So, the way his character was established... Well, he's such a force of nature that no obstacle could have kept him apart from Hae Soo--except Hae Soo herself. And the only thing truly keeping Hae Soo away (4th being future Gwangjong is surmountable) was WookSoo. Ergo the artificial and utterly frustrating prolonging of that ship.

You might insist: But, but there could have, should have surely!! been some other minor obstacles (before the point where vengeful 3rd rises to the throne, that is, and unleashes hell on our beloved SoSoo) that could have physically kept SoSoo apart even if they already loved each other. That would have been so much less annoying than the heroine spending so long hung up on Wook.

I agree it would have been less annoying. I disagree about the believable obstacles. (SHR's writer sure didn't have enough creativity to figure out any.) I repeat, Wang So even confronted the King for Hae Soo (in E12). If he was able to do that, then I really can't imagine that anything else would have fazed him.

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Like, remember when 4th was willing to cut a bloody swath through the Palace guards to escape with Hae Soo (in E11)? Or when he was willing to go against a royal decree to save HS from marrying the King (in E06)--and 4th didn't even 100% love her then!

 Also significant: unlike Chinese 4th, Wang So doesn't even have a burning desire for the throne (yet), to keep him in check and make him cautious/calculating (like 8th). Hae Soo is more important to him.

 

"Is it possible they continued the HS and WW's relationship for so long to serve as a foil to HS and WS relationship?"

Eh. Not really. That WookSoo served as a foil to SoSoo is incidental, and it felt extremely unfair that 8th had to do everything wrong to finally lose the girl, while 4th had to do everything right to finally gain a chance with her. In my opinion, first and last WookSoo was the chosen plot device to impede (and delay) SoSoo. Highlighting the superiority of SoSoo was just the (inevitable) side effect--and it would have happened even if WookSoo had been of shorter duration.

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thanks for those pictures..so loving till warm my heart....

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6 hours ago, MadraRua said:

 

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@enigmatic_zephy

hypocritical? how so? I'm not sure whether you were responding to me or not in your previous post as you did mention varied tastes. I have nothing but the greatest of respect to other individuals, doesn't mean I can't question their thinking. To each their own I say. 

 

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Not sure if it were you.. but i just remember the context.. and essentially I interpreted it as a vain comment that suggests that just because one is watching content from other countries, their 'varied' taste makes them more capable of assessing quality and comparing drama.. which is not the case..

Maybe I got it wrong.. but i thought it was vain

 

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38 minutes ago, freckledbelle said:

@MAROSA_JIN The lake gif and those pics are love. Thank you for posting like that always. I want to give them a million likes if only it's possible. Thanks, darling. XX

 

7 minutes ago, deabakdrama said:

@MAROSA_JIN

thanks for those pictures..so loving till warm my heart....

 

@freckledbelle & @deabakdrama you touch my 

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He, WS really liked teasing HS

 

 

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wait a sec...

if WS and HS start spending time together and HS acknowledge her feeling toward WS in a 2 years WM reign its mean it all happen in front of WW??? because its seem WW start manipulating WM to make him a king so he will play a part in palace... i can't wait to see WW face seeing HS treated WS better and better and lastly acknowledge the feeling... 

i use acknowledge term because she already have feeling toward WS its just with her so call love toward WW she denied that.. once it over and she see how sincere WS is she will give up and accepted that she always have feeling for him.. HS can just stay away from WS because she might afraid about WS being KG but because she the type that will love no matter what that vision of him as KG will not effect her in any way.. 

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14 hours ago, hanatanada said:

Actually in the previous episodes, the love story had already started. It started from the time when haesoo stopped wangso from knocking the rocks over and showed concern about his injuries despite knowing that he killed people. That was when a relationship had formed between them as person to person and as they get to know each other more and more, their relationship got deeper and deeper, even if it may not have been love immediately, their relationship was much deeper than the relationship between haesoo and wangwook. This naturally progressed to love when wangso drank that tea for her, even if she was in denial. I actually appreciate how their friendship was showed more than love scenes as it made me realise the depth of their relationship, be it love or friendship.

I love the journey WS and HS is embarking to finally recognizing their epic love for each other. Unlike others, I wouldn't mind another 10 episodes of them like this.  My thoughts is that the love affair began even earlier than that (knocking of rocks). They so shipped each other when he sweeped her onto his horse the very first time they met.  OMG! The way they stared at each other in this scene.  She was looking at him like damn, you're the hottest thing I've ever seen in my century AND in this century.  Of course, he was thinking the  same thing, I'm sure, until he remembered he has a scarred face and who could want him with that kind of face. She was staring way to hard at him and it made him uncomfortable because there could be no way she is staring because he's the hottest thing she's seen in thousands of years. She must be staring that hard because of his masked face. So what does he do? Of course, he pushes her off his horse. Hahaha makes me laugh every time I watch this scene. This drama.  Just when you think it will be romantic with them, it's not. And just when you think it's not going to get romantic (like his confronting her about her slicing her wrist) it gets romantic.  

And come on!  She's a modern girl.  If she doesn't want to be kissed or hugged by him, she will fight him the way she fought with 10th prince. Slap here, head butte there, kick over here. But oh no, what does she do? Widen them beautiful eyes, stare some more at him, and let herself be man handle by him. And don't tell me she's afraid to reject him cause he's a prince. She has never been afraid of him, not even when she realized he could be gwangjong. Girl even went horseback riding with him to see the sunrise  after having found out.  If it was me(I wish) and I was afraid, I'd kick and scream and run. These two love love love each other.  Have you noticed that every time each of them was having a bad time (his dysfunctional family hurting his feelings, her confusion about her new life and place) they would meet (all by destiny of course) and comfort each other? 

So I don't give a crap about her and WW. She and WW have never had the kind of support, understanding, and unconditional respect for each other the way she and WS does. Makes the getting there all that much sweeter.  

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14 minutes ago, enigmatic_zephy said:

Not sure if it were you.. but i just remember the context.. and essentially I interpreted it as a vain comment that suggests that just because one is watching content from other countries, their 'varied' taste makes them more capable of assessing quality and comparing drama.. which is not the case..

Maybe I got it wrong.. but i thought it was vain

 

You mean this comment?

It was by no means meant in a holier than thou way. I'm sorry if it came across like that. Just an off the cuff observation of mine.

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Loved your post. You've said so eloquently what I was trying to grapple into words. Thanks for your insight.

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3 hours ago, ruizaio said:

While I understand that there will always be differences in taste because of cultural distances, what I observe more often is surprising amount of consistency in the responses I see across various forums. What I chose to share is not from the haters of this show.

 

This.  And I am not a hater of the show itself, I am simply a disappointed fan because this show had so much potential if only it hadn't fallen victim to money and marketing shenanigans, weird director fetishes and favoritism and people getting their ego and self-interets in the way of artistic integrity.   I am an LJG fan and have been since his My Girl days.  He has done a great job and is the shining star of this production despite having all the cards stacked against him. I keep saying this show would not be what it is without LJG to pull it through.  I just wonder how much more this show could have been without all of its poor editing, bad acting and other problems. This is not to say that the show cannot have its enjoyment appeal if your expectations are low or you had no expectations to begin with.  It is obviously entertaining billions of fans out there and keeps us moving this forum at lightning speed.  It just could have been so much more.  It is always such a shame to see so much potential go to complete waste.

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oh lawd, what is my life. I was up until 1:30 rewatching the earlier episodes. Here's what I noticed

Ep1 - That horse meet cute. That's gotta be one of the best meet cutes ever. Both Hae Su and Wang So were immediately PHYSICALLY attracted to each other, without knowing anything about each other first. I mean, that tension is pretty palpable through the progression of the episodes. I think in contrast with the Wook meet-cute, that felt like Hae Su was into him because he was so damn classically handsome (like a prince, which he is) vs. her attraction to Wang So which is like a baser, more primal attraction. Idk, guy on a horse always wins. 

Ep 2 - The infamous bath time near strangling - even though Hae Su was suppose to be genuinely afraid for her life when Wang So freaks out over her seeing his face, the sound track was insanely romantic. In fact, that Lee Hi song (My Love) was playing softly in the background. So freaking weird?! Idk if the musical director was just like, screw it, we gotta make this near strangulation romantic - it kinda undercut all the tension they had between them. Even though, I enjoyed the physical proximity/sexual tension of the scene, it played WEIRD. 

Ep 2-7 - I noticed how different Wang So was with Hae Su as their relationship kept progressing. Even though barring the horse meet-cute and the bath scene (which were in your face romantic); you can see a changing attitude in Wang So. I would pinpoint it to several crucial turns in their relationship.

1) When Hae-Su stopped him from destroying the mom-rocks. (He wanted to kick mom-rocks). Later in this episode, they have a really cute exchange before snowfall when she shows him the same kind of consideration she would show a friend. I mean, Wang so was effed  from the start. This girl basically showed him more kindness in 1 week than he'd had experience in his entire life. 

2) She sat with him at his lonely brunch at the mountain top. Seriously, what's a brunch w/o friends. 

3) Wang So helps Hae Su escape the king's proposal on horse back. That's why Hae Su really begins to understand that Wang So cares something for her. They do some of their best talking on a horse, apparently: it's where they meet, its' where he helps her escape, and it's the post-forced kiss moment. And damn, all the skinship. *wipes brow* This escape with Wang So made Hae Su take notice, she said "Prince, I never thought you would help me like this."

Basically, after these turns, Wang So was like completely head over heels. There's almost nothing that he's doing that isn't about finding a way to get closer to Hae Su. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, chi13lou said:

@rei_smasher11 Happy Birthday from your Soompi MLSHR family! Hope it is still your birthday on your side of the world or are we too late?

 

Thank you @MAROSA_JIN! 

Had a fun birthday yesterday and was able to watch ep 13! It was a great episode even though there was not much of So-Soo moments. Can't wait for next week episodes! 

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15 hours ago, arabela said:

I'm guessing till now pretty anything important was said about the last 2 episodes. 

I cannot contribute with something more, so I will just say my predictions for the ending  a mixture of guessing and my own fantasies

• my guess is they will stay pretty much close to the novel's ending , like there will be a miscariage, HS will want to leave the palace and her love story with WW will make WS let her go ; in the international version she will die without WS, but in the SBS version - in WS's arms  cant stop myself amusing how much they want to make the show more fan service for the korean public  
• there will be a transformation of WS, probably justified by his need to protect HS or maybe the throne, to become/or must become ruthless, that will cause HS to want to leave the palace; I have to say that I like very much the idea of their entanglment around his crimes: their friendship begin in fact with her acceptance for him after he killed those monks and with her understanding for his pain; and we see at ep 13 ending, they get even more closer around his guilt for stabbing his brother and her understanding it and the confort she can give him; So, maybe this will be her fundamental message for him, that also people around him and history will look at him as being ruthless and tyran, she can understand and forgive him, and even more love him; no wonder he is in a way feeling like nothing counts without her; I have to confess I would much more like the idea of her being able to love him even if he would need to be ruthless and reign in fear, than the idea of making him the man he was not in history; More than she having the power to tranform him or more than he being so HS-centered that he can give up anything for her, I would like to see that she was able to see his soul like noone in history saw it, to know his deep regrets and love him despite his ruthlessness and despite her being unable to stay near him till the end and wanting to leave. 
• having confirmed Lady Oh saying that people dont really change - HS made WW look for a while like he would change for her, only to become in time even more like himself; same could be with WS, who seems now to be so changed by HS, only probably to see him coming back to his own nature when he will think this will be best for protecting her or the throne (just to mention that his nature is not at all a bad one, cause even without HS we could see him as being able to have regrets, guilt, loving feelings, just that there was noone till HS to really trust him; in fact he really is a good person, just that, like for other characters, times and circumstances dont let him stay this way and bring out what is worst in him)
•  having the scene with WS standing alone and lonely as a king, just like in HS vision
• having WS unsecure about HS feelings after he will learn/suspect about her love for WW - oo, how will he remind she was asking him to spear WW life and all those gesture that he now consider to be normal because they were once relatives!!; And I hope that after these two last episodes, there are more people now who could believe that HS did in fact love WW; I find it hard to believe anyother way and more I find hard to understand why WS would become jealouse in the future when he will already have HS heart ..... his jealousy could be cause only be him feeling that once upon a time she also gave her heart to WW ... 
• they will meet in the future - I am 99,99% sure about this kind of ending ... also I have to say now, unlike earlier posts, that I like more the Cnovel ending ... maybe I understand more why the novel's writer said she cherrished her ending more than the one in Cdrama - in fact is not about an ideal, absolute, love thougher than time and history, but more about the how much great love can be even if it doesnt have the power to change destiny, people, history, even if it is not more powerfull than death, even if it doesnt end happily, even if it breaks your heart ... like real love in real life  it doesnt have to be perfect to be impressive!!! it doesnt have to be ideal in order to be great!! 

That future one would be amazing 

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1 hour ago, AuroraSky said:

 

This.  And I am not a hater of the show itself, I am simply a disappointed fan because this show had so much potential if only it hadn't fallen victim to money and marketing shenanigans, weird director fetishes and favoritism and people getting their ego in the way of artistic integrity.   I am an LJG fan and have been since his My Girl Days.  He has done a great job and is the shining star of this production despite having all the cards stacked against him. I keep saying this show would not be what it is without LJG to pull it through.  I just wonder how much more this show could have been without all of its poor editing, bad acting and other problems. This is not to say that the show cannot have its enjoyment appeal if your expectations are low or you had no expectations to begin with.  It is obviously entertaining billions of fans out there and keeps us moving this forum at lightning speed.  It just could have been so much more.  It is always such a shame to see so much potential put to complete waste.

13/20 episodes drama, they finally killed the loveline between Wook/Soo. For what?...For an ending
of a secondary loveline that we all know will result in a fruitless ending anyway?. People can denied
it all they want, but it's obvious that there is something not going right with the team that created
this drama. I hope that they can still prove their disappointing fans wrong. Cause it's a shame to
wreck a rare beautiful romance novel that can touch the audience hearts like no others.

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Good news, if you like that sort of thing. Moon Lovers debuted at No. 18 on Fandometrics, the Tumblr website that charts pop culture.

Fandometrics compiles a database of Tumblr’s favorite entertainers and entertainments, and tracks the shifts in  users’ collective affection . They do this by calculating how many posts were created that contain the tag, how many times that tag was searched for, how many times a post using that tag was reblogged, how many times a post using that tag was liked, etc.

Moon Lovers is apparently the first Korean drama to chart .

Oh and just ignore those who hashtag such things as "I wish it was a better korean drama that gained attention" and other things of that nature. #notcallinganyoneone #yesI'mbeingpassiveagressive #sorrynotsorry

Just something to brighten us up while we're getting tortured waiting for Monday

 

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3 hours ago, UnniSarah said:

 

 

I see Alot of people complain that the editing in this drama isn't good and some scenes just doesn't feel complete. I think the reasons for this poor editing scene and that alot of sceenes wer cut off is because of the lack of episodes this drama was supposed to have. I could have sworrn that I read an article This drama was supposed to have 50 episodes. WHAt happen to it? Why was it cut so short?? I think if we had more episodes this drama would have been even better. I still think that this drama is not bad at all because we have more viewers watching this drama and in this drama. Alot of people are joining the forum to give their POV. So i think it is successfull. 

 

There maybe some merit in this less episode theory..

But I still think, they could have managed it well in 20 episodes.. 

Editing is choppy period. They can't make 1 hour coherent irrespective of the number of episodes. And the first 10 hours, there are so many unnecessary scenes.. 

Ah!.. i guess we should be just thankful to all the teams that have given their best Vs all the teams that did a sloppy job.. because end result, the drama is not cringeworthy.. its addictive (because of story or actors or whoever .. and defintiely not because of editing or director)

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9 minutes ago, millie10468 said:

Good news, if you like that sort of thing. Moon Lovers debuted on Fandometrics, the Tumblr website that charts pop culture. Moon Lovers is apparently the first Korean drama to chart.

 

thanks^^ it's always great to hear good news about this drama

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11 hours ago, mitheone said:

Came across LJG's comment at hjonghyun's IG. 

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Can anybody translate what was Jong Hyun's and LJK's comments? Many thanks.

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Offtopic but allkpop published an article of korean idols and actors that are famous in China and i saw that Lee Joon Gi is on the list^^  I'll leave the link in the spoiler  

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http://www.allkpop.com/article/2016/10/who-are-the-most-popular-korean-actors-and-idols-in-china