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1 hour ago, shabbychic said:

Here I'm again :D

Trying to put my detective glasses on (amateur level ofc) so I was checking IU's stylist insta, I know it sounds really stalker-ish  but trust me it was just for research purpose :P

 So she posted this picture a while ago, if I'm not mistaken I think it was during the last days of shooting... 

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So I guess this is Haesoo's look when she comes back to the future ( ? )

What was the IG of IU's stylist? The hidden contents disappeared and can't be seen anymore. Thank you!

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6 hours ago, solelylurking said:

I want to enjoy this drama without over thinking it.. But that is hard to do.. *sigh*

@solelylurking It is really hard to not over think concerning this drama. It is so darn addictive and makes you overthink because of all the things going on in this drama.  I still have not watch it with subs yet because the wait for the next episode is sooooooo painful for my beating heart..... :heart::heart:  :tears::tears::tears::tears:

 

I see Alot of people complain that the editing in this drama isn't good and some scenes just doesn't feel complete. I think the reasons for this poor editing scene and that alot of sceenes wer cut off is because of the lack of episodes this drama was supposed to have. I could have sworrn that I read an article This drama was supposed to have 50 episodes. WHAt happen to it? Why was it cut so short?? I think if we had more episodes this drama would have been even better. I still think that this drama is not bad at all because we have more viewers watching this drama and in this drama. Alot of people are joining the forum to give their POV. So i think it is successfull. 

 

6 hours ago, fengari said:

I think he has already understoodvery well  that WW was HS´s love interest. But, he also sensed/recognized that HS does not want to reveal the name. He himself would never (at least not at this point) ask directly such a question, the confirmation would be simply a useless complication, plus it would be  so NOT WangSoyish behavior.
But he knows, therefore in the throne-scene, when HS asked him not to hurt his brothers in tomorrow s confrontation, he said "are you worry for Wook?", she nods, and WS continues "I guess you consider him still a relative..." and then he puts the 1.000.000 dollars question " then why you came to me and  you didn´t simply stay aside?". With this question he wants once again to make her see that she has come already to him (WS). And when HS replies with humanistic generalities (the right think is to take the side of the CP, WW does this for my sake, he felt powerless when i was in danger etc, ), the smart WS replies  "I know, i felt the same way back then"  which signifies that he identifies his back then state (the state of a lover in despair for the life of his love)  with  the state of WW, namely he recognizes also WW as a lover in despair. And then when HS says that if WW die tomorrow  she would be scarred for ever, WS said smiling"I got it. I will try not to kill him. I also don´ t want WW to die". And this statement brings us back at the beach-scene,  where WS only concern about the name of HS love was if he is Baekha. He would kill everyone else. But this threat was just  whimsical.Because, untill now everything WS does shows that he does not want to win HS heart by any means, killing "rivals". He wants her to come to him by herself seeing only him, to come to himself not because she has no other options/choices  but because she free-willing  choose him. Therefore,  his statement "I got it.I also don´t want Wook die" has a double meaning "I got it.You are still interest in him.You wont tell me this. But I dont care.I also want your lover alive, so that your love for me would be even more  true". 

@fengari.. I agree chingu, I think WS knows who is the person HS loves at this moment. WHy did he need to ask her why she wants to protect WW so much. In his mind why does she care for someone who did nothing to help her when she needed it. The first person she wanted to protect was WW.... Logically it has to be him when you do the process of elimination. Him wondering why she only cares about WW and not him when he knows he isn't invincible. WS is a funny character, I think he knows there is something between HS and him But he has no idea how deep it is. BEcause now I fear that HS will never trust WW when WS is concerned. 

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[OST] Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo vs Moonlight Drawn By Clouds

 

Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo and Moonlight Drawn By Clouds have been going head to head for awhile now. Being shown on TV at the same time on Mondays and Tuesdays, it’s hard not to. Both dramas also share the same genre – 사극 (sageuk – historical dramas), top stars, with Park Bo Gum, Kim Yoo Jung and Jin Young of B1A4 heading Moonlight Drawn By Clouds while Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo boasting good looking talented actors and idol actors such as Lee Jun Gi, IU and Kang Ha Neul.

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With good dramas, comes good soundtracks. In this aspect, both dramas didn’t fail to offer good, soothing rhythms which captivates the viewers through each scenes. Let’s have a look at top 3 of the OST from both dramas (according to the author), shall we?

read more http://k-popped.com/2016/10/ost-moon-lovers-scarlet-heart-ryeo-vs-moonlight-drawn-by-clouds/

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Adnana: Is it possible they continued the HS and WW's relationship for so long to serve as a foil to HS and WS relationship? All the empty promises that WW does, makes WS looks much better. I think sometimes WS is too rash, but I end up thinking his action is the great in comparison to WW's inaction. Although it would have been nice if the writer had ended HS and WW's relationship after Baek's admonishment.

And I totally agree they shouldn't have made the WS fall in love with HS so early on. And that they have wonderful foundation based on friendship. I like that the writer took the time to develop their relationship from friendship to romantic one.

Also, I just finished watching episode 19 of the 35 episode C-drama , and at the beginning of the episode Ruoxi already loves the 4th prince enough that she wants to marry him. And, in an earlier episode, Ruoxi asks the 4th prince if he'll marry her to take her away from the palace. So, even though they're not officially together, the C-drama shows them being mutually in love for 45% of the drama.

 

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@bebebisous33@meahri_1 As much as I want the bad guys to receive punishment but I don't think Wook will be killed. If he's killed, history will not have Seongjong of Goryeo (the ruler during the first Goryeo-Khitan conflict). Even if the drama has taken creative license to the story, they can't kill Wook because they can't change history too much. They can change that he's the 8th prince when in history, he's the 5th,6th or 7th prince. He's different from the 8th prince in the original. The 8th prince in the original wasn't honored with a title of the emperor since his son and none of his descendants became the emperor. For Wook, even if he's pure evil in the drama, his son did become the king and his daughter gave birth a king (Baek Ah's illegitimate son - King Hyeonjong - ruler during the second and third Goryeo-Khitan conflicts). His wife, Lady Hae, was based on his real wife in history. Although in the drama, they have no children. I think the production team won't kill him off. He just won't get anything at the end.

BUT SERIOUSLY, who went and edit the wiki page? Last time I checked it, he was the 5th,6th or 7th son or so. Baek Ah was the 8th prince in history or so but now on wiki, he's the 13th prince. I apologize for my ranting!

6 hours ago, solelylurking said:

 

Jung is pretty ok for a man. He's gonna be a successful war general and later King anyway. Aaanndd he's good looking. Not a bad catch @Yippeuni

He will be a Vice King under his brother's reign.

4 hours ago, qwenli said:

@chickenchopflipflop I went to see the ws ww fight scene again and I must say if Kan really used a double, I can't tell at all.

the fight scene was filmed primarily in three angles. One is the closer shot that can see both their faces, then a further full body shot and then another aerial shot.

through it all, we call see Lee joon gi's face clearly but for the aerial shots, Khn face is not shown, so it is highly probable that there was a double but I am not sure of that. I noticed in the further shot, Lee joon gi used his famous Tae Kwon Do kick again. He also used this in the final fight scenes with Wang yo at the cliff.

while rewatching the fight scenes, I begin to understand how tedious it must have been to fillm them. They probably took a whole day to do one scene because they had to rehearse first then film from different angles.

anyway, Lee joon gi never fail to amaze me by being so pretty but yet such a good fighter:D

@sunshinefate @chickenchopflipflop I think it's understandable if KHN used a double but I have to admit, LJG did say that KHN did really well for that scene. So as long as it turns out great, it's really good already and no injuries, too. That's why LJG is love (KHN is love too) but LJG is just beyond that. Even KHN stalked LJG's phone number before filming for Moon Lovers. hahahahahah... And yes, kudos to all the rehearsals because they have to stand in line, in the positions and even climb on the rooftop. LOL :D

1 hour ago, fuyukoneko said:

 

I meant that since WS has been shown to be different than his father, he should make different choices and if there is a tragic ending, it'll be for a different reason. I think the king and Lady Oh's relationship and ending was suppose to mirror Ruoxi's and the 4th's tragic storyline.

To add to that, it probably also mirrors the tragic ending between the 8th prince in the original and his wife. She died by hanging himself and got a divorce from him (no title as his wife at the end).

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5 hours ago, ruizaio said:

@Evelyn C @lavendre @MadraRua @snccrockz @soorani

When I say Korean fans, I'm referring to the community of Korean fans of the show, not the general Korean netizens who love to attack this show without watching or just from the screenshots/memes/Navercast video clips. The SHC DC has over 100k posts now and is where most Koreans who love the show gather to discuss everything there is about it. I see many of the fanarts from DC get posted here, too. Just because the TV ratings are low in Korea doesn't mean that the show is unappreciated in Korea. It is often one of the top twenty busiest forums on DC (it is #11 right now when it's about 6AM in South Korea, and highest among specific drama forums), and we are also organizing an effort to get an uncut version of MLSHR released on DVD/Blu-ray. We love the cast and crew, but we also do voice what we like and what we don't like about each episode, and the general consensus is that the director has shot himself in the foot with his experiments. For example, his signature style of extreme closeups mean that the pretty costumes and props aren't shown very well, and his use of (what we like to call dusty) filters makes the screen look dark and less pretty. Whenever still images or BTS clips are released, we are surprised at the detail in the costumes and props or how pretty the whole scene could have been from a different angle or with different filters (for example, when Wang So collapsed after drinking the poisoned tea, he was holding Hae Soo's hands, which was barely visible in the episode). Non-fans criticize that even though MLSHR boasts a large budget, they can't tell where all that money went because it looks tacky on screen. Fans feel that such criticism could have been avoided if the show had been shot in a more traditional way. While I understand that there will always be differences in taste because of cultural distances, what I observe more often is surprising amount of consistency in the responses I see across various forums. What I chose to share is not from the haters of this show. At any rate, I'll stop talking about this issue from now on as  it's pointless anyway.

 

@Artheusa It doesn't translate very well into English, but the word choice is sometimes off (unnecessarily harsh or too modern for the setting).

@qwenli @Misstwilightfan1416 The DVD/Blu-ray team is launched with a temporary leader and has started collecting information from Korean fans. I'll bring the info when the international side is ready.

@millie10468 The General won't die for a long time as he is one of the important supporters of Gwangjong (but then Gwangjong kills all his sons) in history.

@jerboa83 Actually, there is an unofficial record of the queen's hair going white after the king had passed, so this was just following that version of history.

 
 
 
 

 

@ruizaio 

As an outsider, I can only guess what is the general opinion of the audience based on the ratings and some info that is leaked to us here and there. Based on how SHR was made to appeal to the international views, I thought that maybe that was the reason why the drama wasn't doing well in his homeland since what appeal to some don't appeal to other. It seems like isn't just that, so thank you very much for clarifying this. 

About how the drama was directed, I can mostly agree with you. The biggest problem to me is the excessive use of close-ups wich can difficult how we perceive a scene since most of the time there's only the actor's face on the screen. It's even more problematic when we have an actor like LJG who is superb at acting with his body language as well. 


And please do keep sharing info about this subject when you feel like it, it can create some discordance here and there, but it's always good to have something to discuss =)

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20 hours ago, MyMindIsASnowflake said:

Hi!~ Welcome to the forum :D It's from episode 12, in that scene where YH is like, marry me So! and he's all like... no.:lol::lol:

Hi Thanks for the warm welcome! and for letting me know :)

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Just a quick runaway from my studies for a moment :P thank you guys for all your awesome posts, I'm still in the back reading process , and unfortunately I can't keep up, the thread is almost a thousand pages already !!! I'll do my best though. 

So, I didn't watch ep 12 and 13 properly yet, just a few scenes here and there but I read the recaps, so this is not based on profound observation or something but it's just something I thought about after watching scenes specifically from ep 12 repeatedly as in the quick goodbye kiss, the hug and the proposal. I said before that I think HS already has feelings for WS only she didn't realize it, let me take that back and say that she does realize she has feelings for him, only she wants to convince herself that despite everything that hapenned she still loves WW. The way I see it, she kept wanting WS to fail her and do as she asked ( to forget her, to move on,to not save her or care for her anymore) the way WW did to her ( somehow) but WS kept coming back for her, every time, the way she looked when he was hugging her almost looked like she was pleading for him to stop making her think about him, to stop shaking her heart and yet WS dissapointed her, not by forgetting her, but by making her feelings for him grow stronger. And at the time, she was not ready to accept that, still hung up on WW and all of that, but next week, she'll come to terms with her feelings and she'll accept them as they are, she does love WS. I just can't wait for that :D 

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13 minutes ago, MAROSA_JIN said:

 

[Drama Review] 'Scarlet Heart: Ryeo' - Episode 13

By eric_r_wirsing

 

This particular episode was incredibly well-crafted. If I pitched a fit about the last one, this installment more than made up for it. Everything was stylistically perfect: the weapons, the armor, everything. Not only that, but the intrigue surrounding the King's death was extremely tense and gave more purpose  to Hae Soo, making her much less a character that things happen to and more a prime mover. That's a very good thing; this modern woman has been pretty passive so far.

Lee Jun Ki really reached deep inside himself and pulled out a multi-layered performance. In particular, his facial expressions were just golden, as he shifted from arrogance when he had Prince Yo on the rocks to shock when Yo fought him and Soinstinctively killed him and to grief when recounting the events to Hae Soo. This lends a lot more dimension to our 4th Prince. I still don't see him with Hae Soo, though, unless something drastically changes. Yeah, I know what the promo material said. 

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And this show has left me with a few questions. What happened to Queen Yoo's hair? It's gone completely white! Was her lustrous black hair a wig or...? And does the King know about Hae Soo's time-traveling? Because he mentioned that she was like the court astrologer -- Choi, her fellow time traveler -- but qualified it by saying that's because she could see the future.  But this episode, as he lay dying, he told her: "The fate of Goryeo Empire rests on your shoulders. This is probably the reason you are here."  That makes it sound like he does know. But whatever he knew died with him.

As I said, they did an excellent job this time around. IU was raving about the 12th episode, but I'm a particular fan of this one. They put all the ingredients for a successful show into the pot and added just the right amount of spice. More episodes like this one and I'll be a happy camper.

 

http://www.allkpop.com/article/2016/10/drama-review-scarlet-heart-ryeo-episode-13

I think when King Taejo said that line to Hae Soo that the fate of Goryeo rests on her shoulder and it's the reason she's here is because if she was to tell Wook the King's condition, Wook or Yo may become the 2nd ruler instead. Yeon Hwa may not become queen and the other brothers will die. So Hae Soo's decision to be loyal to the King or obey his command keeps history as it is instead of changing it (like have Yo or Wook as the second ruler).

@yuhotarubi It took me several hours to catch up to the latest page and to try to backread pages that I did not read (I didn't participate in the forum until a couple days ago). This drama is mad lol.

@40somethingahjumma I love your insight!!!

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1 hour ago, MadraRua said:

''I missed you''   ''As always.. you are beautiful'' love-kiss-red-crab-emoticon.gif

@freckledbelle

You mean this backhug? I too am obsessed by it. well-done-red-crab-emoticon.gif And the OST is sublime. 

 

Yes, love, THAT backhug. I can't get over it yet.

And the behind the scene when they're practising, oh it's just sweet and i-hope-they'll-release-more-like-that. :)

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17 minutes ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

The love triangle, I imagine will get full blown treatment soon and most likely be pumped full of steroids knowing what our leads are like.

Two guys slugging it out for one woman can get tiresome fast but I'm really looking forward to scenes similar to what we saw at the end of Ep. 12 where So is more than a match for Uk's intellect and gives him a good dressing down about keeping up the pretence of caring for Su. Although apparently he doesn't know the full extent of that relationship, it doesn't make what he says untrue. Uk does come across as being two-faced in his admonishments. Yes, he can blame it on his lack of power till the cows come home... the reality is he didn't even try. But we've said that repeatedly and truth be told, I've never found Su and Uk all that compelling. Those two "lovebirds" needed a serious reality check and now they're getting it in spades.

I suppose what I want to do here is defend my position on So and Su as an overlapping romance not as an alternate one. Fundamentally I don't agree that the Su-So romance hasn't started and yes, I'm arguing that it's possible to love two people at the same time even if they're not the same kind of love to begin with. For me the progression is everything.

Why do we privilege the Uk-Su relationship as the romantic one but not Su-So as it stands? Why can't an epic romance be built on a friendship, honesty and a meeting of minds? Why can't it be slow? Why can't it evolve over time and deep suffering? I've always considered the Su-So romance storyline far superior to the Uk-Su one precisely because the former is built on strong foundations not on fluff and sweet nothings. The writing is so deliberate on this and still there's so much surprising negativity regarding the slowness in the progression of Su and So towards consummation. Consummation is obviously the endgame but there needs to be a journey of becoming also. 

I've been thinking about the premonitions in relation to all of this. One thing I didn't expect was the fact that Uk turned Darth Vader on us rather than So. I think it's an interesting switch there and probably one that played with our expectations and Su's. I imagine that one of the reasons why Su has been holding back from So is that she thinks that he will turn into Darth Vader because it is his "destiny" to be Gwangjong. She is clearly drawn to him despite knowing all of that. The irony is that her expectations of both men have not followed the kind of trajectory that she thought they would. The sweet, gentlemanly Uk is turning into the cold, calculating tyrant that she thought So would be. Whereas the wild, savage So has become the sweet, if clumsy big-hearted lover who is gradually becoming the noble figure that she thought that Uk was. 

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With all due respect to Korean audiences and others who have expressed frustration with the show, I am enjoying this drama precisely because it demolishes all the usual expectations.

For example, I don't know why we're still throwing around labels like "first male lead" or "second male lead" for this show. So isn't the first male lead in the same way that Uk isn't the second male lead. They are both equal male leads with their own journey that intersect with the female lead. They both love her in different ways which has important ramifications on the way she perceives the world of Goryeo. In turn she loves them both in different ways and in different stages. With that in mind, Su's impact on both men are powerful and life-changing. She awakens hidden aspects in their personalities and bring them to light. Because of So's personal journey, her impact on him is positive to the point where it elevates him to become a better man (and hopefully a better king) whereas her impact on Uk is much less positive because of his personality and his latent tendencies. I realize that it is within our nature to pigeonhole characters and that we've become accustomed to timelines and predictable trajectories... we've been trained through years of watching K dramas to expect certain things to happen by Ep. 8 or Ep. 10. This show, however, doesn't seem to follow any of those trajectories in any of the usual ways. I can see why it's frustrating for some but for me, it's all part of the charm. The unpredictability is what makes the show quite unique. And addictive. No one disputes that the editing and the approach to the story could have been better (considering the limitations imposed on it) but as far as the storytelling is concerned, it's still compelling television.

If i could kiss this post and engrave it. I'll sit with you in the minority chair.   

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