rumasa79 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 13 minutes ago, ilovekorearocks said: Interesting observation. Wasn't it the reason why RX wanted to leave the palace? It became a suffocating place for her. The palace is a reminder of a lot of tragedy for HS. For someone with panic attack being in a place where you have awful memories would be the last place best for your mental and physical health. It's suffocating yet she will stay there to help a man become a king. It will take a huge amount of strength to stay in a place you hate and I reaaaallyyy wanna believe that she would do that for love. For Wang So. By the way, thank you @MadraRua for the roll call! Please keep doing it, it makes me feel like a special eclipsee 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diana Blanche Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 2 hours ago, LoveSG said: Bye bye! But the turning point may come at the next episode and you'll miss Hae Soo's moment of enlightenment. You feel like hating her today but in tomorrow's episode you'll like really proud you stuck with her to find her moment of clarity - the truth. Climax happens when things go down to the lowest level, like today. Thank you for this comment. I think the writer made a small mistake, s/he went too far with so many rejections. I hope this will not have a big impact on viewers. We already know that Wang So will not remain just the rain umbrella for Hae Soo and in the end she will be able to love him. Don't be so bitter there are still 8 episodes to go. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktcjdrama Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Reading some of the latest posts/comments, I thought this episode will be a let down. Contrary to what many feel, I actually like the progress of this episode. Many are complaining HS is not reciprocating any feelings of WS, but what I kept seeing from their interaction is that she loves him so much. It's the noble idiocy trope, I'd say. She is staying away from him because she loves him. JM clearly told her not to bid farewell to any of the prince when she was leaving Damiwon, but whom did she seek out before leaving? WS. And only him alone. No one else. Even when chancing upon WW on her way back, she didn't call out to him. Then when WS came back to find her, she was very much touched to tears. Although she tried to push him away, but I can't miss seeing her being so concerned and worried when she turned around and saw that he put on his mask again. When WS proposed to her, she was also so touched beyond words, that I think she almost agree to him, but snapped back to "reality" which in her mind is that she is supposed to avoid him and leave him alone. Anyhow, in all their interaction, I can only see suppressed love and longing in her eyes. Side note: poor HS, is she going to limp her way till the last episode? or when she got transported back to 2016? and how did she manage to climb all those stairs at JM's quarter to find WS? :-P 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabi Bros Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, Claudia Ximena said: question guys one of you pointed out that director said this version will be sadder? as of course we know HS dies then WS dies and so forth?? but will they meet in the future and perhaps have happy ending there?? I hope anybody know this? I will hate it if it has sad ending Based on the lyrics of the different osts, they will meet in the future. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jubiemon Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Hello~ I'm new to this thread, but I've been lurking for a while. Thought I'd get out of my dormant state. As much as I adore this drama, specifically Lee Junki, I cannot help but feel like the editing for the international version is seriously killing the plot and the characters. Here's a fuller discussion of what I mean in my blog post. (There will be spoilers about ep 12 in the blog.) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freckledcontessa Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 hour ago, freckledbelle said: I keep shaking my head when HS keep on asking WW if he misses her. And telling him it's alright even if he can't do anything to help her. Pushing WS away and telling him he is the person you want to avoid the most. And somehow mocking him that he is trying to kill you if you accept his offer. I cried because i can only imagine what pain WS felt. I don't understand the writer. It's too much. It's already stupidity and martyrdom at its finest. But the writer did give hope when WS told HS that the crown is nothing to him if he can't be with her without obligations or worries. What BA did will save WH from death for trying to kill the king but i do not know if she can escape WY's wrath for failing to do her mission. BA is like WS in a way. ETA: WW is cunning. Wow. To ask such payment from YH just showed that he is a very dangerous man. At least WY shows what he is upfront. WW is a fox in a sheep's clothing. It's half past 2 in the morning on my side of the world. I do not know if you understand what i am saying. I wanted to edit again my previous post but i really think that this deserves a post on its own. I think HS loves WS but she just hasn't realised it yet. Her expression when he saw WS wearing a mask is not just plain concern. I really should be sleeping now because it's already quarter past 4 am! I want to dream on this scenes. Pics are not HD because they're just screen shot from my phone. 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hallyus Posted October 3, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2016 Currently re-watching the episode... okay so the international version cut the Wang Moo scene talking with Ji Mong. I can't understand what they're talking about tho. Hope someone catch this and share the translation in this thread. Also the talk between Wang So and Yeonhwa is longer in SBS version. Wang So told Yeonhwa about him was being told the sign that he will be the king when he was a child, and that day was the day when he got his scar on his face (guess this is why Queen Yoo harmed So, because they know that Wang So will be the king, thus she made him as the hostage so that Taejo will stop his marriage). That time Wang So stopped thinking to be a king. After that we got the famous line from the 6mins trailer "Fate? I don't believe such petty things as fate", and he continued that he has something that he wants more (than he wants the throne). Yeonhwa, as quick as she is, got his point and asked him whether it is Hae Soo that he wants. I think Yeonhwa told him to avoid Hae Soo because something, and Wang So shut her by telling her that without So he will be something (lmfao correct me please!). Last, he said even from this conversation, it made him even more certain that he will be NOTHING WITHOUT HAE SOO. I'm not giving up the drama, my hope is only how both So and Soo love story will be beautifully made (since there are so much beautiful scenes: the mask and the boat) and how the writer will create Hae Soo's love towards So later is not because of she's afraid of him, but because she really does love him. It's okay if the ship sails late than expected, but hope there will be no forcing feelings anymore on Hae Soo. I would like her to feel the comfort beneath So, the warmth given by So. Oh, I also want to add something: I think Yo is trying to betray his own mother, Queen Yoo. Queen Yoo never planned to kill the king since according to Yo, "she loves him as much she hates him". That's why Queen Yoo never planned to assassin her own husband, but she wants to kill those who will replace him. Wang Yo seeing the event as a chance for him to ascend to the throne (since Wang Mu is not in the palace, if the King dies there should be someone that should take his place right away), that's why he just want to finish his father (but later his plan is failed since Wang So will defend the palace waiting Mu to come, before unveils that Taejo is died). 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhia205 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 6 minutes ago, solelylurking said: Let's just do what we've promised to do and be done with her. I'm prepared to go to jail for it. just choose the place, that washing pools, angles fall, niagara fall, or the great wall. i'm done with her, 3 time rejection is enough. she deserves it 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnana Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 hour ago, YeongYi said: Episode 13 Preview (Chinese Version) WY: That girl is the only person who knows about the king's situation. Find (her)! Quickly! YH: (I) really don't know what you are thinking. WW: I am prioritizing. Who (should we) attack for (our) advantage? To become king, (I) cannot permit any mistakes. WW: (to HS) Why do you still lie to me? HS: You changed. WW: I have to be the king. WS: I have to be the king. side note: sorry, didn't realize it's already been subbed >_< @YeongYi Thank you for posting this, it fills in some details. If someone who understands Korean could translate the (gist of the) conversation when WS rejects Yeonhwa's proposal I would be very very grateful. I think he gives quite a deep, revealing explanation. This segment: http://tvcast.naver.com/v/1151399/list/93990 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostfire Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I gave tonight's episode some thought and here is what I have come up with thus far. Initially, I really couldn't see why Hae-soo seems to still be hung up on Wang Wook despite what he did and the fact that he wasn't brave enough to approach her until a year later. I also couldn't see why she would ask him if he missed her in that context. It literally made zero sense, because I went into the episode with expectations of a sailing Hae-soo/Wang So ship. I went in thinking this episode would finally give this doomed romance some closure. However, taking a step back from that was the thing that actually gave me some perspective. I feel like whenever I watch Wook/Soo scenes I have to constantly remind myself the type of person Hae-soo is, and her mindset on her relationships in order to understand why she does the things she does. The one thing the show has constantly reiterated since episode 1 is her (very misguided) belief that if she doesn't change, the people around her wouldn't either. And that is precisely what she did in today's episode. We as viewers can see clearly how undependable Wook is, and therefore we get so frustrated with Soo and her choosing him over and over again despite everything that's happened. However, Soo doesn't see the things we do. She doesn't have a helicopter view of things like we do. She still has wool over her eyes and her head in the clouds, and the only thing that's still tying her to Wook is her promise to wait for him. Yes, the wool is slowly being pulled away from her eyes, and the clouds around her head are definitely clearing, especially what she has seen for herself one year ago, and the fact that she was in her own personal hell for an entire year. I would even go so far as to say that all she thinks she has left is that promise she made to Wook, and his promise in return. It's possibly the one thing that's kept her sane through the year of hell and her driving force to continue existing (because, let's be real, she isn't living). So when she asked Wook if he missed her, that affirmation - while eliciting groans and eyerolls from the audience - is again, the reason why she still pines for him. It's what makes her her. We as viewers see the picture clearly. We know that Wang So has always been reliable. Dependable. He is everything that Wang Wook is not. I'm reasonably certain that some part of her knows this as well, and it's one of the reasons why she is drawn to him despite her love for Wook. Yes, it definitely makes things frustrating for us to watch because we know how the story is supposed to go. We know that she is supposed to see things for what they are by now. We want her to see Wook the way WE see him. TL; DR: Knowing that Hae-soo's character is as such, and the way she chooses to love a person is to keep holding on to them and refusing to change until something really and truly unforgivable happens that forces her to, it's not all that surprising that the love line is written this way, as frustrating as it is for us viewers (especially Hae-soo/Wang So shippers) to watch. With this in mind, I fully expect something to happen in the next episode that really blows her love for Wook to smithereens so that we can finally see the main love story on our TV screens. Hang in there, guys. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamamya88 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Reading all these frustrating comments and recaps regarding this episode, i decided to hold from watching episode 12...i cant bear to watch hurtful WS and stupidy-naive HS and cowardy-nonsense WW...i am gonna wait for episode 13 and watch both of them sequelly...... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleloony Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 32 minutes ago, fathiayunia said: @SizzlerZ @lilac_alex WELCOME! WELCOME ABOARD WANG SO's SHIP! Our heroine apparently bought the wrong ticket and board the wrong ship. She is still feeling confused and lost on whether she should exchange the wrong ticket. She is kinda weird right now. It's making some passengers angry but don't worry everyone, THANKFULLY, OUR CAPTAIN WANG SO HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF PATIENCE, and still wait for her. Meanwhile what we can do in this ship with our captain are : -Learn how to put BB Cream properly to conceal some scars -Learn to create and wear some amazing mask. Maybe doing some mask party -Watering the plants -Plant some trees, and giving them a name -Learn horse riding -Learn Goryeo men fashion and women fashion sponsored by universal lotus pins -Learn swordsmanship -Learn fast skinship, wrist grabbing, and kiss stealing -Learn swoon worthy words -More will be announced soon by our beloved captain Hopefully the heroine will get her senses soon or we may just sail without her. TO THE KINGDOM! ALL HAIL KING GWANGJONG! THANKYOU and ENJOY LOL chingu I love this ship...its so entertaining I love the captain I am in for the long haul. Are you the first mate can you let know when the Cap is gonna start with the skinship, wrist grabbing and kiss stealing lesson......I wanna learn.....I am a good and fast learner 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dramu51ch0c10ve Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 hour ago, yuhotarubi said: I'll be here, I'll be here all the way till the end but I want to be compensated for all the frustration I am feeling right now. HS better make it up for WS big time, the amount of patience he has for her is admirable. Same here!Will still watch no matter how down I feelI know it's currently emotionally heavy but we have to enjoy the journey,both good and bad times, to appreciate the whole story. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlover399993 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 At this point, his smiling face and eyes are moving me foreword! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddeokbokkii Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Oh! wow, I have not watched episode 12 yet. But base on what other people wrote here make me baffle too, as to why they had to drag 8th prince relationship with Hae Soo for so long. I think other who had watched the Chinese version already mentioned that the 8th prince and Ruoxi(Hae Soo character) end their relationship roughly about 40% into the drama. Ummm, we are at episode 12 of a 20 episode long drama, that's 60% of this drama already wasted on the 8th prince and Hae Soo(Ruoxi character in chinese version). And they are not the main love line in this novel. It's suppose to be the 4th prince(Wang So) and Hae Soo. What's going on?. I have a question for those who know more about Korean history, as I don't know much about Korean history. Did Wang So kills his brothers in history when he took the throne?. I know the son of Taejo of Joseon era did killed his brothers to steal the throne and he did not love his wife(the queen). Wouldn't this novel better fit to transfer to Taejo of Joseon era instead of Taejo of Gorgeo era?. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumasa79 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said: Reading some of the latest posts/comments, I thought this episode will be a let down. Contrary to what many feel, I actually like the progress of this episode. Many are complaining HS is not reciprocating any feelings of WS, but what I kept seeing from their interaction is that she loves him so much. It's the noble idiocy trope, I'd say. She is staying away from him because she loves him. JM clearly told her not to bid farewell to any of the prince when she was leaving Damiwon, but whom did she seek out before leaving? WS. And only him alone. No one else. Even when chancing upon WW on her way back, she didn't call out to him. Then when WS came back to find her, she was very much touched to tears. Although she tried to push him away, but I can't miss seeing her being so concerned and worried when she turned around and saw that he put on his mask again. When WS proposed to her, she was also so touched beyond words, that I think she almost agree to him, but snapped back to "reality" which in her mind is that she is supposed to avoid him and leave him alone. Anyhow, in all their interaction, I can only see suppressed love and longing in her eyes. Side note: poor HS, is she going to limp her way till the last episode? or when she got transported back to 2016? and how did she manage to climb all those stairs at JM's quarter to find WS? :-P Yess, she's being a noble idiot fosho! I don't know yet about love, but she obviously cares about him, yet her logic tells her that it's insane to get involved with another prince. Maybe it's just me, but I swear she looked tempted to say yes when So asked her to marry him, but logic pulled her in again. The noble idiocy game is strong with you, Soo. But give it a rest already, we're all low on energy here. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy78 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 hour ago, hrkharis said: I SWEAR I WANT TO THROW THE REMOTE INTO THE TV i know i felt the same...i wanted to throw something in my pc is already ep 12 and she still did not get over that jerk...when will she wake up?i do hope she will realize that what he loves the most is the crown...soon or later she will see true WW face... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solelylurking Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 11 minutes ago, dhia205 said: just choose the place, that washing pools, angles fall, niagara fall, or the great wall. i'm done with her, 3 time rejection is enough. she deserves it Which one is the tallest? I want to pick the great wall eventhough it's not so tall. There's no water under it so it it will reach the maximum pain. But we still need her in next eps so angels fall? I'll reserve the helicopter then. Have you prepared the wire or duck tape? @leekyuphii @junee22 @fathiayunia 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrkharis Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 51 minutes ago, sunshinefate said: Thank God that our Wang So will get the girl in the end same with me. In the beginning, I liked WW as a character, moreover KHN is a great actor himself. But, as the story progresses, I start to be kinda annoyed by his character. Not just because he's a coward. I can still forgive him being a coward because he has to protect his family. But, he makes empty promises to haesoo and still blames wangso for all things that happened to haesoo when he cleary knows that her sister plays a big part of it Wang-wook's mistake becomes complete is ; he is someone who is not objective, unfair and blame other people for his close family mistakes. Does he deserve to be a future king? I think he doesn't deserve, because he will become king without empathy (remember, how he treated his late wife without feeling), easy to make a promise to his people, will ignore his people in trouble, the king unjust etc. Oh my God, in episode 12, I'm getting sick of seeing his handsome face that without sincerity and full of pretense. I think the real antagonist is him. During this time we are deceived by the good face and gentle demeanor. I prefer Wang-yo character. He is a real evil, both in action and appearance. So we can clearly see who our enemy. Hoping in the end the fate will bring our Wang-so will meet and get his girl in the 21st century. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riuenu Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Credit as below SoSoo moment gif One of the rare mutual smile we had in this episode.... 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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