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Hi Chingus, Thanks for the new stills and previews. Today episodes will be very tense but Wang Eun will give us some smile.

Cant wait...:)

 

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3 hours ago, cyriatan said:

Hi chingus! As you know the thread goes palli palli :lol: So I don't know if I may be repeting some ideas.

I wanted to comment on the topic of Hae Soo requesting from Wook if she missed her. My view may not be really romantic, but oh well. I believe HS liked WW genuinely, however at the same time I deem HS to be smart and thus always understood her marriage with Wook was not only meant to be out of love, but also "get me out of here". It had a very practical purpose of getting her out of palace, and yes, ultimately allowing her to live happily outside with Wook. But it represented in general her posibility of being happy, containing but going beyond Wook. 

Wook became a source of security for HS amidst the strange Goryeo enviroment. I don't know if you have ever experienced it, I'm an inmigrant myself and have lived in different countries and being alone with no support is harsh. In those kind of situations, you need to find some relief, it may be an idea ("There's more for me travelling around in the long term than staying in the security of my home, this is who I am, this bad moment will pass, learn from it", etc. for example as it was for me) or a person that helps you and becomes a link for your adaptation. It has a deep emotional force because it's...fundamental, without it you crush under the pressure. It happens to us under great stress. When a loved one dies, sometimes we believe and hold to the strangest beliefs, after accidents, etc. Wook became for her that possibility, or element that will allow adaptation. Finding yourself again and embracing a new purpose of life...when you time-travelled to Goryeo! Living as Wook's wife theoretically-happily-forever was HS purpose of life. I don't want to mean by this that she's manipulative. When I travelled I met important persons who helped me and became special for that, and I knew I had to accept their help to adapt and was really thankful for that. You develop special trust and feelings when someone helps you in hard situations. So when WW abandoned her, she lost not only support, a lover and a friend. She lost the new life she envisioned for herself that probably took her long to construct after landing in Goryeo.

Requesting from her to completely deatach from WW is understandable, but it's more than leaving behind a lover. Once her future with WW is gone: what's there in Goryeo for her? She's lost. We know there's WS, of course :phew: Actually I'm sad that, as many as you commented, their love relationship has not started yet since for me "unconscious" love is not that meaningful. The story need their love development and considering how things are now, I doubt we'll see the type of ferocius love at least I'd been waiting from HS. What I hope will be actually WS replacing WW in HS' "nuclear identity support". WS will become her supporter, her reason to live: "I'll help this person to achieve happiness" transformed into "We'll be happy together". I remember reading here on Soompi Ruoxi's final letter and it went about how the 4th saved her many times. I think we have been shown how HS values WW as someone who saved her many times before (even if we know it was WS most of the time). So I think her love for WS will flourish from this feelings, in dramas this type of love out of "shielding" is very common among female characters. Very distinct compared to WS, who developed more a love from mutual understanding. I personally don't like the type of love I think HS will have, but I respect it. We each love in a different way, and it's still love. I'm not saying that as time goes by, she won't end recognizing in WS someone she'll love also from mutual understanding, but I think for HS feeling secure is really important. For WS for example I think it is clear that, even if the fact she helps him and cares for him contributed to their trust, it is not the root of his love. I think that HS changing abruptly and somehow finding herself madly, passionately in love with WS after a kiss or similar would be not believable at all, but I think she'll hold to him very strongly after this turmoil. That can be passion, but...different from my expectation. I find it ironic, but maybe HS will be the one more in need of WS than the other way round, or at least they'll need each other for different reasons. Maybe I'll be surprised, I hope so! 

Finally I want to say I understand WW. I think I would choose like him, and wouldn't sacrifice my family for love. I also don't think that's demandable from anyone. WS is our hero because he does, and this is a drama. I think what will drive HS and WW separated will be his lack of explanation. If WW went to HS and calmly explained he couldn't throw his family (and his desire for the throne, I think they're the same in the end) just for her, she would have been the one to tell him to not do so. I, and many other, would too. He may be greedy but his family was at stake, let's not forget that, I think his struggle was not because of the throne, but his family and responsabilities. What's unnaceptable is that he had his oportunity to explain himself but still chose to struggle rather than accepting that he's that type of person, not your romantic hero. I understand him, he had to choose between power and love. What he threw away was not only HS, but freedom and a placid life. I don't find it troublesome he'd prefer to live a life with more power than love, even if I understand that's not desirable for a romantic drama character! But it doesn't justify being a coward. That's his mistake. I hope when HS confronts him he'll explain himself. Yes he missed her, but he won't be the one to fulfill her expectations. HS will understand. If he lies because of his ego, HS will think he's a liar, because he is. That will drive them apart. If he says the truth, they still won't be together. But he'll preserve his dignity. I think before finding YH was behind the poison plot, he was still debating between responsabilities, greed and freedom and happiness. He could have really chosen the latter. However when fronted with reality, accusing his sister and abandoning his clan, power, etc. he knew he would choose palace life. I think his greed will surface since from that point onwards, if he has to go towards this path, it may as well be until the end: being the king. At the end we all pursue happiness/purpose.

 

@cyriatan We have the same thoughts. I also do not consider him as a coward but I do admit that he gives out empty promises. Also when he turns his back on Hae Soo, he makes his choice already and he's going for the throne. He will not have her heart. For someone like Hae Soo, he's not someone that she should be with and put her love in him. I think both of them did like each other sincerely but the root of their love was not strong enough to endure when it comes to choosing between power vs. love. I think Wang Wook loves Hae Soo not because he loves her for who she is but because Lady Hae is gone and Hae Soo gives him the source of happiness in place of her and Hae Soo is just different from the other ladies that he met (just like someone mentioned previous - I can't remember who did). Hae Soo loves him because she thinks she can trust in him and he was the first to give out his hand to her. I also think that maybe he was the reminder of her boyfriend in the modern day and she thinks that she won't experience that betrayal feeling again. I do not think there was a mutual love but there was love but again, the love would not be strong enough to withstand such a sudden and painful situation as Lady Oh's sacrifice and the choice between power vs. love. I guess you can also call it infatuation like someone said previously. Hae Soo was  They were destined to meet and had good memories but the love wasn't strong and they are not destined to be until the end. If Hae Soo was able to change Wang Wook like she did with Wang So, I think maybe their love could have endured all that happened in episode 11. But only Wang So was able to change because of Hae Soo. Wang Wook was the same. This goes back to the debt and debtor. I think Hae Soo and Wang So do not feel they are debtors to each other. They put each other on the same level. Only Wang Wook is feeling the debt he owed to his wife or Hae Soo owes him her life (back in episode 4 - but Wang So also was there). These two are not on the same level.

Hae Soo is slowly having feelings for Wang So without acknowledging it. She also blindly thinks that she is still liking Wang Wook but she just doesn't know her heart fully well because she's torn between both. And I agree that she needs closure. In the C-version, Ruoxi gets the closure and chooses to reciprocate 4th prince's feelings. So sooner or later, she'll move on. We just need to wait.

I think in episode 4, when Wang Wook went to save Hae Soo and Jung, it shows that he's willing to endure the hardships or even risks his life for her, only if it doesn't involve his family. But in episode 11, he has to choose. Not talking about his manipulative sister (Kang Han Na's acting is outstanding) but he cannot let his mother be involved. Like you said, he chose power and he will have to live with regrets like King Taejo and descends into the darkness. His only path now is to continue with it especially after seeing his mother kneeling down in front of Queen Yoo. To him, the path of power will give him what he wants.

But everyone will have different opinions and that is great for the discussion :). Some will pity him. Some will see him as a coward. Some will still like him. I don't think it matters because ultimately, the drama needs that so that the romance between Hae Soo and Wang So can sparkle (not sure if I use the right term). If I was Wang Wook, I will choose family like him and I will face the consequences of my decision but asking me to throw away my family, I know I can't do that. I think that power vs. love goes along with expectation vs. reality through all the characters.

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16 minutes ago, solelylurking said:

 

@chi13lou if you ever want to produce Wook's doll I ca pitch in some ideas of how he's should poses and dresses but mimind you, it will be 'adult only' paper doll. Hehe...

@dhia205 glad to know I'm not the only one. For me one drama's perspective is based on who's watching it, just like beauty is in the eyes of beholder. So it's ok to have different opinion and takes about it. Just because it's not like what you're thinking, doesn't mean it's wrong. I don't like HS so it's ok for HS not liking me back hahaha... About Wook, the question is when.

sure it's ok to have a different one, that's what brain are for lol. like you said its not LOTR era...  difersity is "supposed to be" something that make this thread colorful isn't it? (just because one color dominating doesn't mean there's no other color gurl relax...)

and about WW, my answer is Soon.. but i don't know how soon it will be, but in my take i can guarantee he will turn badass before the finale episode ahahah... 

 

 

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I know HS can't accept WS's feelings just as Wook turned his back away from her but... we only have 9 episodes. And if in ep 12 she still rejects WS, then we only have 8 episodes. I don't have any intentions to compare with the c-version. However, in the C-version, they spent half of the drama with ruo xi falling for the 8th prince, but the other half of the story focused on her love story with the 4th prince :dissapointed_relieved: but in this version? It's already half of the story and they're still showing her love story with wang wook. :bawling: my Wang So

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9 hours ago, LyraYoo said:

 

@qwenli this drama's engagement to all platforms/avenue is awesome. So glad to know baidu is also talking about a possible eclipse for an ending !

No I meant that someone on weibo mentioned what you wrote about the real eclipses :)

ah...Wang So on a horse again and in armour.:wub:

@SizzlerZ agree with you. I hope hs start being aware of her feelings by ep 13 and let that feeling be mutual by 14. :)

See you all tonight! In the meantime, I will have to abstain from here to get on with my real life.

p.s I found out that Lee Joon gi became firm friends with Epik High during army times (he attended one of their weddings and uses their studio for recordings), so I guess that started his connection with YG, which lead to YG investment in SH and all these osts. :)

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@ddeokbokkii I was just thinking about the Emperor's edict before. Considering how condensed Moon Lovers is and the fact that the Emperor is unlikely to live for much longer, the ways I think it could go down:

Spoilers for BBJX and potentially Moon Lovers

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Whilst it's possible for the Emperor to leave behind a similar edict, I don't think we have the time or the situation for it. It has not been shown that 14th is a favourite of the Emperor nor has Jung has the chance to shine in battle, or even shown to be in love with Haesoo. I don't doubt he loves her, but for now it's still more as a dongsaeng than as a man. The Emperor might do it almost out of annoyance if 4th and/or 8th keep pushing to marry her, and he wants to put a stop to the infighting. Another option is perhaps for the Crown Prince to make the edict when he becomes Emperor, or even Yo just to spite his brother, but it's shaky reasoning. 

Likely So won't honor the edict anyway, but I'm thinking maybe we don't even need one in this version.  

It's debatable how much So knows about the romance between Soo and Wook, because on one hand, they were super unsubtle, but his comment about Baek-ah could suggest he is not aware. For someone who feels with such intensity and whose love is all-consuming, it may be possible that the fact she was so in love with Wook enough to warn him against So - which likely triggers the battle between them/the conspiracy that harms Baek-ah - could be enough to push So to the edge. And if Haesoo lets him believe she never truly loved him, or that she still loves Wook, or that Jung's feelings for her is reciprocated, it might be enough to push him over. It might not even be marriage, but perhaps he'll consent to her leaving the palace in his hurt and anger?

 

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1 hour ago, SizzlerZ said:

 

Sorry to cut your post short but could those possibly be for a funeral? We know that king Taejo dies so could it be for his funeral? I might be wrong because she could be hung since people might try to find evidence because of the mess she's made. I hope your right!! 

- nice catch by the way! Great work :) 

 

@SizzlerZ UGH. You're right chingu. There will be at least 3 funerals that we know of...King Taejo, Wang Mu and then of course, Wang Yo her son. I'm going to go have a stiff drink now, because the possibility that evil Queen YooWhoDoesn'tCareOneBitAboutHerChildren might never be punished for ALL her indiscretions is quite a depressing thought.

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20 minutes ago, Joongier said:

 

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LOL has any of you missed out on this lovely interaction between Queen Evil and Wang So! They are so adorable... Okay if my poor Korean serves me right, she said "Joongia sarganda!" And I thinks Joongia replied if I'm not wrong, "Ommonie, why are you being like this to me? (lol he's in character), Okay now that we are in 2016 I love you Ommonie!" if there's a correction please do share! BTW I LOVE queen Yoo and Wang so's scenes ! I think because of Park Ji Yeon's queenly aura and formidable performance and the way she truly nailed the character, I find it sometimes hard to hate on the character! Her eye acting, her tone of voice, her expressions! Their scenes are always explosive with fierce acting and intensity!

Finally! Today is day Eclipses!

On top of that, she is gorgeous. I gotta say, she's one BAMF, even though she's evil. I do look forward to her scenes with Joon Ki - their acting on point and conversations so tense. Can't wait until So trashes her and her precious Yo. 

Speaking of which, folks. Where do you all watch the live stream? Can someone PM me? What time can we watch it? I'm sorry, I am new here and just trying to catch up the group. Thanks in advance!

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I'm curious. Does SK journalists, or MLSHR production crew, or someone important from SK entertainment people know about this Thread and our love for MLSHR?  Does LJG and the rest of the casts know how much we binge for this drama? 

I mean they have to know, even the rating is low in SK, the drama itself has a huge success internationaly. I'm very sure this thread is full of people from around the Globe. 

People in South east Asia talk about this drama a lot. Indonesian watch and talked about this drama. And in Malaysia and Singapore this drama is a number 1 rating! Vietnamese also watched it and like the drama. China's streaming site Youku has 1 billion (even more) viewers. Not to mention, people in Japan and Thailand. The two countries will airing the show. And i'm very sure, northern America (also) southern America also love and crazy about this drama. And in this thread, i saw someone posting from India, Russia, Germany, Ireland, and other countries, who loooooooove MLSHR. 

THAT MEANS this drama is very famous and already earn recognition from viewers. 

So, lets spread our positive virus about MLSHR. 

Happy Moonday, Chingudeul. 

 

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Yeorobun...Monday is finally here! I will be away on a business trip from tomorrow - but will be lurking whenever possible! :D

One possible reason for Hae Soo's reappearance in the palace (i.e. battle scene). - My guess is that Taejo summoned for her. In the BBJX C-version - at the tail end of Kangxi's reign, the emperor's appetite dwindled and he craved for Ruoxi's snacks. Ruoxi was then summoned back from the laundry department to the palace to serve until he passed on. Similar for Hae Soo - she was Lady Oh's right hand woman. In ep 10, Lady Oh gave specific instructions on what the King's likes and dislikes, ailments etc - there must be a reason for those instructions. In his final days, Taejo probably wishes to have someone closed to Lady Oh by his side to comfort his dying soul (deserving or not - that's another essay). 

And how did Hae Soo ended up as a Sanggung during CP's reign? It could be Taejo's instructions as well. 1. She is well trained by Lady Oh and is loyal to CP. Even during her worst moments, she did not betray CP's trust. 2. To make her "unmarriageable" - a court lady belongs to the King and cannot be married or released without the King's permission. Hands off princes!! 3. To thank Soo for her service in his final days - a token of his love for Lady Oh. 

Do I make any sense? 

And on the love story of Soo and So - there must be a scene in ep 13 or 14 to push Soo to face her feelings squarely in the face. That has to do with him being hurt or at the brink of death. Recently, LJG posted a photo of him lying down - possibly injured - with IU in the background right? There has to be a "bridging" scene somewhere down the line to turn her into So's person. 

Let's see how the story move this week. The wait will be over in less than 12 hours. Roll call soon!! :) 

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i think this Kvers is focusing more on the journey of WS being a king and it will ended when he sit on the throne.. HS will likely accept his feeling on eps 14 not more than that cause the writer will be a crazy person if the OTP love story is about 4 or 5 eps... so it will be their journey to the throne and how much HS will have to face and endure at this time watching all the people that she knew and love turn from each other , killing and all for the throne...

about how HS going to escape palace i think it will have a connection with WJ.. this one is one of the iconic scene where 14th come to palace to see the emperor to make him honor the king order to give RX to him... seriously 4th face is really scary and boy if look can kill 14th already died at that time... my theory still when WY became a king and to protect HS WJ will ask for her and because WJ is well love by his mom i think it will be granted..

and at last when WS became a king there must be something big that happen to force HS to get out from palace.. HS is a tough cookies you know she will do anything to save herself just like RX.. i think she will do the extreme thing if WS don't grant her freedom... 

lastly HS and WS is the end game.. they must have something that bound them together and hopefully the writer will give us the real game changer not just because of gratitude or anything.. HS for once when accepting WS must feel love for him and 100% over with WW... its going to get interesting when they together as a couple.. WS as a prince and HS as sanggoong... its forbidden love that force WS to get on the throne just to be together with her..

and if its not an epic love story i don't know what it is..... 

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24 minutes ago, meahri_1 said:

 

@SizzlerZ UGH. You're right chingu. There will be at least 3 funerals that we know of...King Taejo, Wang Mu and then of course, Wang Yo her son. I'm going to go have a stiff drink now, because the possibility that evil Queen YooWhoDoesn'tCareOneBitAboutHerChildren might never be punished for ALL her indiscretions is quite a depressing thought.

:bawling:

 

I feel your frustration there but you never know, I could be wrong. I'm sure Queen YooWhoDoesn'tCareAboutOneBitAboutHerChildren will suffer. We don't know how many tragedies she will cause before her death but maybe they'll show her death in the drama. Does anyone know when Queen Yoo dies in history and how? 

When I was replying to your post I first wrote that I'm sure Queen Yoo will be punished for her crimes but I had forgotten that this is a drama based on history. It might be that Queen Yoo is never punished for crimes. If this was just a simple drama I would be more confident in saying that Queen Yoo will be defeated and punished... Reality *facepalm*

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THE RETURN OF BATSO

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The BTS cuts for Moon Lovers: Bo Bo Kyung Shim: Ryeo are actually really fun to watch since Lee Jun Ki spends most of his time off-camera being bright and goofy. In this clip, he couldn’t find the page where his lines were for the poison scene. HA. Seeing him fool around and flap his cloak a.k.a BatSo makes me halfway mortified that I teared at, and went gaga over that scene…hahahahaha. I’m pretty sure actors don’t really know how romantic their romantic scenes would turn out until they watch the broadcast since every move, every angle, every expression is calculated for the camera.

 

https://breathlesssurvival.wordpress.com/2016/10/01/the-return-of-batso/

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@hallyus amazing catch! Wow! 

Do you know if this is in episode 12/13 or is it next week? I always thought that there must be an unevitable reason to why Wang So had to kill his brothers and subjects even in the vision that Soo has of him killing Wang Eun (your image). I always thought that even if Wang So was going to remain a wise man but because of circumstances he had to kill them. 
 

After knowing that a bit more about the 4th prince in C-BBJX my thoughts have changed. I'm slightly worried that Wang So will turn to the dark side a bit like the 4th prince in C-BBJX. I really wonder what why Wang Eun will die and why Wang So will have pleasure in killing him. 

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15 hours ago, lavendre said:

.......Sometimes I feel HaeSoo doesnt deserve WangSo at all. 

 

Inevitably you will think that it is like that given the way HS still cling to WW but i think the writer wants to show to the fullest extent how her feelings will shift from WW to WS. Such somewhat clingy scenes will exemplify it best. I can only hope that once that old phase is over and she'll realised that WS is the one for her, i really hope that they will triple her sweet scenes with WS. XX :)

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6 minutes ago, SizzlerZ said:

 

I feel your frustration there but you never know, I could be wrong. I'm sure Queen YooWhoDoesn'tCareAboutOneBitAboutHerChildren will suffer. We don't know how many tragedies she will cause before her death but maybe they'll show her death in the drama. Does anyone know when Queen Yoo dies in history and how? 

When I was replying to your post I first wrote that I'm sure Queen Yoo will be punished for her crimes but I had forgotten that this is a drama based on history. It might be that Queen Yoo is never punished for crimes. If this was just a simple drama I would be more confident in saying that Queen Yoo will be defeated and punished... Reality *facepalm*

 

@SizzlerZ I'm actually feeling confident that she will be punished in some way or form. Why? Because Yeon Hwa hates her. With bitterness and hate fueling her, I think the princess will make sure Queen Yoo will definitely suffer. Karma and Yeon Hwa will come back to bite Yoo in a big, big way.  Mwahahaha!!! Adding the evil laugh just cause it seemed to fit. :lol:

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