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14 minutes ago, SizzlerZ said:

 

That makes perfect sense so thank you for the clarification. I agree with you there in you saying that episode 14 would be the real start between them. :) 

By the way, I don't know whether you've already seen my PM I sent you but once again I'd like to thank your for your comment to my post because it's so important to get the feedback - when I write I think everything is clear to me, and even though I try to express and explain myself as well and completely as I can, sometimes I leave out things which I consider to be clear, while forgetting other people can't read my thoughts. So thank you for pointing out the omission in my reasoning.

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3 hours ago, lavendre said:

Dont wanna sound like a nag or smth, but argh she asked Wook if he misses her? *facepalm* I can accept and understand why she chose to reject WangSo after going through everything. But how long are we going to drag on about her longing or missing Wook? So if Wook said he misses her (which I think he did based on the trailer) and that he wants her back (probably not going to happen), she's gg go running back to him then? Sometimes I feel HaeSoo doesnt deserve WangSo at all. 

The rejection of Wang So's proposal is understandable but telling Wook "Did you missed me?" Zero dignity. If that's the case, Hae Soo you deserved a Wook...you deserved a man like that. I am sorry IU not even my love for you will stop me of slapping Hae Soo. :expressionless: I lost hope in her.   

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2 hours ago, ratgirlina said:

Check out @ratgirlina's Tweet:

The agony of international fans. Google translate is of no help whatsoever. Miserable food lemon us... :bawling:

 

 

Food lemon?? What is that??

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6 minutes ago, chi13lou said:

23 hours to go till we get to see what IU said to be interesting in Ep 12!

she say the same for episode 11 but we cry all the time hahaha i don't believe her anymore fun what fun she will be kicked out of the palace she will become washing maid she will have some "friends" in her new place who will like to make her days rely bad i hope she fight with them go girl don't let this crazy maids to bully you... she have hard time for accept lady OH died and WW NO COMMENT!! but we have second kiss i hope is in episode 12 not 13 i wait for that kiss like 4 episode or more

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13 hours ago, junejungki said:

Food lemon?? What is that??

not a clue. your guess is as good as any

was checking one of the link to the photos. hoping to get a spoiler, used google translate, that's the result.

would like to use this opportunity to thanx all the kind souls who have been helping us translate news, recap, etc when they don't have to. really appreciate the hard works, without it what can we miserable food lemon do :heart::blush:

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22 minutes ago, Gabi Bros said:

The rejection of Wang So's proposal is understandable but telling Wook "Did you missed me?" Zero dignity. If that's the case, Hae Soo you deserved a Wook...you deserved a man like that. I am sorry IU not even my love for you will stop me of slapping Hae Soo. :expressionless: I lost hope in her.   

@Gabi Bros Well, I woudn't condemn Hae Soo for these words, because the way I see it is that she doesn't really want to know how much he loves her or if he really missed her. In fact, her words could be seen as a reproach from her: "Do you regret now your decision for abandoning me because you missed me? " So in my opinion, Hae Soo is not naive or blind any longer. Wang Wook wants to appeal to her feelings through his words (I missed you), since he is a man who says many things, promises many things. So if she says it before he mentions it, this means that she has seen him through, like "You appear now and where were you before? Did you miss me?" So her words could be expressed as sacarsm and cynism. If he mentiones "I missed you" before her, then this would mean that he wants to bind her to him, without doing anything in exchange. She is not under his protection. So her question is just rhetorical: She denies that he really missed her, she shows that she doesn't believe him any longer. In both situations, she is expressing the same thought: her reproach towards him and she is no longer naive or stupid!! Therefore Hae Soo shouldn't be judged just because she said those words. They have to be put back in the context thus I believe, that's the reason why she will give back the bracelet. She will be upset that he comes back to her, saying such things. She will recognise his hypocrisie! 

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miserable food lemon ... well hmm ...

ANYONE knows a lemon is food ... and if it is miserable, than that lemon is not happy :crazy:

Muuuuuahahahahaha .... google translate brings us such fun translations ... 

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1 hour ago, SizzlerZ said:

 

 
I'm really sorry for cutting your post short and I have to admit that I am really impressed with the calculations you have done. Although I do have to say, I think that you can't compare the two dramas directly in terms of the minutes that they have since they are different proportionally in terms of length. To make better sense of this: 
As you said:

35 x 45-minute eps in C-drama = 1575 minutes

RX accepts 4th prince's feelings ep 22-23 = 1035 minute mark 

Percentage drama progressed when RX accepts 4th prince's feelings:

1035/1575 x 100 = 65.7% 

20 x 60-minute eps in K-drama = 1200 minutes

Number of minutes passed at 65.7%:

0.675 x 1200 = 810 mins

Number of episodes at 810 mins:

810/60 = 13.5


Therefore if the C-drama and K-drama were to run proportionally (which they don't), HS would accept WS feelings at ep 13-14
Please don't get me wrong @briseis , I have no means to offend you in fact I am impressed by your calculations and they inspired me to carry that on. I hope you don't misunderstand. 

 

Omo, you guys are the best, you know that rite? This exact calculation is dope :lol:

I think, plot wise, the blossoming romance between  So&Soo will take place in eps 13-14 like you predicted, because it will only catapult the forthcoming events. Wook will likely join forces with Yo out of jealousy. The faction of princes will form and the rest is history.

I very much agree with many of eclipses that said HS would refuse So's proposal. After her loss, she'd live like walking on thin ice, she'll hit the lowest of low as a water maid. Marriage might be the last thing on her mind. But her temporary separation with So would make her heart grow fonder. I'd appreciate it if the show takes that route.

Refusal isn't futile when it comes to So. He'll change her mind, I'm sure of it. Eventhough royal marriage might or might not happen, but they'll eventually acknowledge each other's feeling. At this point, what matters most is they can be together. 

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11 minutes ago, junejungki said:

You see, I have to agree with Wang So because my husband and me started as a friend. He was not my type at all and I am not his type either. Never in my wildest dream I will get married to him. But then here we are, been married for 16 yrs and counting. Love and friendship are ONE for us. My husband is a good man. He is my best friend and my companion. Most people I know always commenting that we sometimes behaving like friends. I told them, of course!! his is my best friend and I am his best friend. We share our problems and will have a long talk on any topic. My husband also said that, he love me because I am the smartest woman in the world.  He love to ask for my opinion on anything and I always offer him solution. Well, that part, the smartest woman in the world he maybe exaggerating but I think he just want to make a point. So yeah, I am with Wang So on this. Love and friendship go hand in hand.

Well, I would rather say that a friendship can turn into love and some not. Wang So didn't fall in love with her at first sight. He was attracted, yet only after getting to know her (her words moved him), he started falling in love with her. Moreover, I have male friends and we are quite close but that's not the same love with my husband.  

@violet90 for me, Hae soo should be giving back the bracelet in the next episode!! This would explain why Wang Wook is so mad at Wang So as he can't allow Wang So to have her! She is his in his mind. 

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HS cannot escape her fate....

even when thrown out from palace she still going to be haunted by palace.... WS and WW is the same in the way they NEED HS by their side and both of them want the throne to get HS.. i just feel kinda sad for HS that she actually really want to just go back when Lady Hae still here and her old self... a happy and bubbly girl the one that kick Eun , save Jung and put WS back to his place.. now she just an empty shell being drag by her fate and even i think WS need to give HS a time out.. she need time to heal and think...

but i think HS will give back WW bracelet and ending their relationship at least by eps 13..... that the end for WW ship....

for HS to give that back symbolic as there nothing more between them..... not even the memory of their love.. HS will take a step back and just restore herself with WS help.. in the preview where HS waiting for WS she seem happy so my hope that WS and HS will have their happy time... 

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2 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

Well, I would rather say that a friendship can turn into love and some not. Wang So didn't fall in love with her at first sight. He was attracted, yet only after getting to know her (her words moved him), he started falling in love with her. Moreover, I have male friends and we are quite close but that's not the same love with my husband.  

That's the thing. Wang So didnt fall in love with her at first sight. Same goes to me. I have a good male buddy but somehow never attracted to him as a man.

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18 minutes ago, aypopa said:

she say the same for episode 11 but we cry all the time hahaha i don't believe her anymore fun what fun she will be kicked out of the palace she will become washing maid she will have some "friends" in her new place who will like to make her days rely bad i hope she fight with them go girl don't let this crazy maids to bully you... she have hard time for accept lady OH died and WW NO COMMENT!! but we have second kiss i hope is in episode 12 not 13 i wait for that kiss like 4 episode or more

She said that due to editing, it was moved to ep 12.

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27 minutes ago, Gabi Bros said:

The rejection of Wang So's proposal is understandable but telling Wook "Did you missed me?" Zero dignity. If that's the case, Hae Soo you deserved a Wook...you deserved a man like that. I am sorry IU not even my love for you will stop me of slapping Hae Soo. :expressionless: I lost hope in her.   

 

Read @briseis and @bebebisous33 post,  

 I totally agree with them. Our hope will revive in two or three episodes or maybe earlier.

 

 

 

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@MoOnLoVeRz, love your post about YH. I also hope that her character will grow from here into a woman of power to become an adept and ingenious kingmaker. Wook never became emperor historically (per Wiki, he died much later during the reign of Wang So) therefore I am thinking that it would be So she will be a kingmaker for. I would want to add to your post about what I think is the difference in what is driving Queen Yoo and Yeon Hwa’s ambitions which makes a difference on how they operate as power brokers. Queen Yoo has an emotional and hurtful history with Emperor Taejo. She is a daughter of a powerful family whose marriage to Taejo helped him become who he is. She is used to being obeyed as daughter of that family and she expects as queen and empress to be treated the same. So that time when Taejo was preparing for “power” marriage when the mourning period of her first born son was not over, Queen Yoo’s reactions was totally emotional which is very understandable. She did whatever she thought she needed to do to make Taejo pay attention to her needs and duties to his family. Taejo however, was an ambitious king who just started to establish an empire and his priorities was to his position and his country. That had enforced a realization in Queen Yoo of how powerless she really was and that hurt and scarred her emotionally and deeply.  Her way is to lash out and destroy the women and their families whom she thinks is her competition for power and for the attention and caring and love of Taejo. She is emotionally reactive.

Yeon Hwa on the other hand, except for her mother and obligation to the survival of her family and clan, has no emotional investment or strong attachments. She considers the Queen as the enemy and yet she has no problem allying and using the queen to her advantage. For her plan to work she allied with the queen who had a similar aim, got a powerful support and more importantly she compromised and incriminated the queen to discourage the queen from making her an escape goat like the queen did with her mother. If she did not involve the queen, she will be the first one to throw YH head under the guillotine and shout “off with her head”. When YH got caught by her brother, she reacted as cool as a cucumber. She told Wook she was prepared to die and knew her mother will be exiled and her whole family annihilated …..laid the guilt trip so thick as a mountain of molasses it stuck on Wook, who weakly protested that he did not want to be king. Boy oh boy, did YH slice and dice that one and threw it back on Wookie’s face like a honeyed cucumber face mask until Wook replied, “do with me what you want”. YH had this flitting smile of triumph on her face and her eyes before she bowed her head to Wook, alluding to big bro that he is the boss. She got what she wanted. This young woman operates mostly from her brain with no strong personal, emotional extensions. She dislikes Soo because she was an obstruction for her brother’s ambition to be king but now that she got her brother to cooperate with her plans, she will probably not take notice about Soo that much until she will know about So and Soo. However, I think that seeing how the queen’s jealousy and vindictiveness alienated the queen from the king and became enemies with whom the king cared for, YH a quick learner, will do the opposite. Instead of being petty and jealous, she will make the people So cares for her allies, not their enemy and build from them her power base, just like her father Emperor Taejo does. Wang So, as you said is not very familiar with court etiquette and political process but YH is. YH is still weighing whom she will support even if she is lending her support to her brother at the moment. But seeing how strong, determined and courageous So is, I think she will help familiarize So with court policies and make her father notice because it will be her father the emperor to decide whom she will marry. She will be courting her father's favor more than Wang So. Most likely Taejo will consult Jimong about the stars of Wang So and Yeon Hwa and the rest will be all up to Jimong. ( my speculations)

 

 

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8 minutes ago, violet90 said:

HS cannot escape her fate....

even when thrown out from palace she still going to be haunted by palace.... WS and WW is the same in the way they NEED HS by their side and both of them want the throne to get HS.. i just feel kinda sad for HS that she actually really want to just go back when Lady Hae still here and her old self... a happy and bubbly girl the one that kick Eun , save Jung and put WS back to his place.. now she just an empty shell being drag by her fate and even i think WS need to give HS a time out.. she need time to heal and think...

but i think HS will give back WW bracelet and ending their relationship at least by eps 13..... that the end for WW ship....

for HS to give that back symbolic as there nothing more between them..... not even the memory of their love.. HS will take a step back and just restore herself with WS help.. in the preview where HS waiting for WS she seem happy so my hope that WS and HS will have their happy time... 

 

Yeah i felt that too, i hope she can be more than just that, especially i don't like her being bullied by YH when she was together with WS.

In the original RX got bullied by other maid in laundry department, but she counterattacked them, hope HS can have her spunk like in earlier ep have a way to get around her problems

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Hi anybody know how to get the english translation for the original novel?

I found there are free translation online, nut only up to chapter8.

I might as well start kickstarter project to translate this book. Desperately want to read the novel:fearful:

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