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26 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

I understand why Hae Soo rejects Wang So's proposal. She has many reasons for her refusal:

- Wang Wook had already proposed to her and in the end, she was betrayed

- Lady Oh's death: The court lady had warned her that she was blind and she shouldn't trust the marriage proposal from Wang Wook. Lady Oh's death has such an impact on Hae Soo. She lost her mother and she can't forget that if she had followed lady Oh's advice (leaving the palace), the latter wouldn't have died because of her. So as a sign of respect towards lady Oh, she wants to follow her mother's advice: cut all the ties with the princes.

- She can't trust anyone any longer. This was the second advice from lady Oh. She is following her advice. 

Moreover, if she accepted Wang So's proposal, this would make her look like an easy woman. She needs time to forget Wang Wook. She can't jump to the next ship so quickly!

 

 

Agree with majority's opinion. HS refusing WS's proposal is the most logical decision she has to make as @bebebisous33 has mentioned above. She just got her heart broken so she would not be so easily commit to another. 

I've been watching many interviews of the cast recently and try to glimpse the plot of upcoming episode. I notice that the love triangle is mentioned in later part of the drama. It's true that until ep 11, WS does not even aware of WW and HS. He thought it was BA and he doesnt ask who is HS's love interest. When he finally knows he will get super jealous and possessive *tingling - which leads him wanting the throne. 
Note: it makes me curious, exactly when will WS realize HS's feeling towards WW? She doesnt say it, he doesnt say it. Then how does he know?

Some of you mention that it's only 9 episodes left for us to see WS and HS's relationship grows. But timeline-wise, it'd be years for them to grow their intense love towards each others. If the half part of the shows move in weeks or months, then the second part moves in months or years even. I just hope that during WM's reign, HS's feeling towards WS grow deeper.. fast!

HS's personality will definitely not be as sassy, active, and fearless as the earlier episodes. She has grown from a girl to mature woman. Living in the palace certainly make people grow old fast. Not to mention, experiencing all sorts of ups and downs. If she does return to the future, she's a 25 years old woman with a 40ish yo wisdom. 

 

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@LyraYoo  Someone noticed that

 

 

15 hours ago, itzibitzispider said:

Hmmm .... did anyone notice?

Maybe and I am just slow

*won'tquoteapicture*

In the scene, where WS steps up to HS to shield her from the rain ... he steps on her dress ... even if she tried ever so hard to crawl to LadyOh ... she would not come far, as her dress is caught underneath WSs boot (sly move WS)

 

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1 hour ago, briseis said:

 

Let's put away all the fancraze about how the drama will end too soon and that there is not enough time to develop the story and look at it objectively. THE NOVEL HAS ONLY SOME 250 PAGES (this is not some epic saga like Tolstoy's, it started as an internet novel)! AND THEY HAVE 20 HOURS TO ADAPT IT. Peter Jackson had only some 8-9 hours to adapt the 1000+ LOTR trilogy.

The cdrama had 35 45-minute episodes = 1575 minutes = 26x60-minute episodes. RX accepted the 4th Princes feelings in episodes 22-23 which is approx. around the 1035-minute mark=17th EPISODE. SO THE KOREAN VERSION IS PERFECTLY ON TIME AND KEEPING TRUE TO THE GRADUAL DEVELOPMENT.

(By the way, I can't believe I just used math to prove my point. I mean this show is making us go completely nuts, I think the comment that perfectly sums this up is the one I received when I wrote about the solar eclipses occuring in the years 941 and 975 and added the NASA link -  "when your otp ending looks so bleak you science your way to a happy ending")

 

 

 
I'm really sorry for cutting your post short and I have to admit that I am really impressed with the calculations you have done. Although I do have to say, I think that you can't compare the two dramas directly in terms of the minutes that they have since they are different proportionally in terms of length. To make better sense of this: 
As you said:

35 x 45-minute eps in C-drama = 1575 minutes

RX accepts 4th prince's feelings ep 22-23 = 1035 minute mark 

Percentage drama progressed when RX accepts 4th prince's feelings:

1035/1575 x 100 = 65.7% 

20 x 60-minute eps in K-drama = 1200 minutes

Number of minutes passed at 65.7%:

0.675 x 1200 = 810 mins

Number of episodes at 810 mins:

810/60 = 13.5


Therefore if the C-drama and K-drama were to run proportionally (which they don't), HS would accept WS feelings at ep 13-14
Please don't get me wrong @briseis , I have no means to offend you in fact I am impressed by your calculations and they inspired me to carry that on. I hope you don't misunderstand. 

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@fathiayunia

Yes, I can accept it if it was like a did you even miss me when I was kneeling in the rain and you walked away (like you pointed out). But if it is going to be a I still miss you and want to be with you thing, I think I will just jump off the OTP ship. Lol 'cause that is beyond stupid of HaeSoo. To still want to be with a man like that. Wook and her probably deserve each other then. And I will just root for our beloved dog wolf Wang So alone. Here is to tomorrow's episode. Hope that we won't be disappointed by Ms Hae Soo.

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it's nice to see wang so face in big flat tv... realise he got very beautiful lip esp in poison scene

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1 minute ago, lavendre said:

@fathiayunia

Yes, I can accept it if it was like a did you even miss me when I was kneeling in the rain and you walked away (like you pointed out). But if it is going to be a I still miss you and want to be with you thing, I think I will just jump off the OTP ship. Lol 'cause that is beyond stupid of HaeSoo. To still want to be with a man like that. Wook and her probably deserve each other then. And I will just root for our beloved dog wolf Wang So alone. Here is to tomorrow's episode. Hope that we won't be disappointed by Ms Hae Soo.

 

I can understand how you feel, I'm going to be angry at HS too if that's the case. If things go as you say then I think it must be something like HS misunderstanding Wook in some way. She might not clearly see his betrayal or something like that. Although that is quite a hard things to do since it was a clear - NOT HELPING YOU WITH THAT - but I guess I'm just trying to justify Hae Soo actions if things go as you say... But still doesn't change the fact that I'd be angry at her. 
 

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if you watch the long preview (6 minute trailer), some scenes are shown but also some voice overs of things that are said in the drama. And in one of the voice overs she says "how amazing would it be if we met in a different world, at a different time"-- I think this line is something she says to wang so when they are finally mutually in love.  Don't lose hope guys! Its taking forever for the OTP ship but remember, Wook is just now getting out of the picture. It won't be believable if she's all over wang so right now, it'll take time but it'll happen!! I guess just not in ep 12-13. Sigh... ^_^ 

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2 hours ago, privio said:

 

If this really true, I wanna shake HS so hard and screaming "WHY DID YOU DO IT???!!! DONT'T YOU KNOW HE ALREADY CHOOSE HIS AMBITION OVER YOU??!! HE ALREADY LEAVE YOU ALONE IN THE RAIN FOR GOD's SAKE!!! WHY???!!!!!" :angry:

But, HS certainly have "recently-broke-up syndrome" if she ask Wook if he misses her, you know the kind that call your ex and ask him "did you miss me? I miss you". It usually last for some months before she realize how pathetic she is. (and realize there's another fishes in the ocean). it understandable, but stil WHY Hae Soo???? WHY???? THERE'S Wang Soo THAT LOVE YOU MORE THAN HIS LIFE!!!! WHY?????!!! :bawling:  *end of my self delution tirade*

Maybe she needs WW to turn his back on her one more time. If this happens, I hope she eventually slips while doing the laundry and hits her head to wake her up from her delusion.

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Haha everybody is freaking out that its already 11episodes with one sided Love from WS yet HS still cannot sort her feelings yet!!!

OK! I understand HS is in deep pain right now and she needs some time to heal...for that I approved her with chances to recover in one or maximum two more episodes only!!!! Pleaseeee HS aaaaahh after episode 13, please switch the ship and board the ship with WS and please let WW ship sink deep down by himself.....

We are craving for more WS HS moments.....♡♡♡

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12 minutes ago, chi13lou said:

Maybe she needs WW to turn his back on her one more time. If this happens, I hope she eventually slips while doing the laundry and hits her head to wake her up from her delusion.

 

Omg you are so funny. What you said is so true. She needs to hit her head to jolt her into reality. Lol.

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okay i just want to make it clear on why people do think HS should just accept WS feeling when he proposed to her???? 

i mean seriously??

that girl been tortured , beaten and losing someone important.. loss her trust on WW and demoted to be a maid.... the first man that she maybe love is WW so its make sense for her to try and save her relationship.. its the same for any of us do you just really give up on another person?? she don't know why WW do that turn his back and i think she have to know from WW himself even i know she already know why... HS is someone that keep believing and keep being betrayed by other person but she still do that and care for that person like her friend that take her bf..

in BBJX RX ask 8th to choose between throne and her.... and he choose the throne...

if its the same in here HS will ask WW to choose too and he will not choose HS and it will be their break up..

the line of story is accurate enough and its a crazy thing just to jump from being lovey dovey with WW to WS in just a second.. she need time to heal to accept her fate and WS will always be beside her just like 4th and HS will realize that WS is the one...

just because WS want it do not mean HS will have to accept it.... think from HS POV not WS if you want to understand why she will reject him.....

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19 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

@zi4r I agree and disagree with your last statement. In my opinion, Hae Soo already loves Wang So, yet she has not realised it hence she thinks, she feels gratitude towards him. Notice that she was the one who told him about the difference between love and friendship, while Wang So answered to her that he was more worried about her because she was making a difference where there is none. Wang So was partially right. There is a difference between love and friendship, yet Hae Soo is wrong as well because she is unable to recognise what love is. She is indeed making a mistake as she doesn't know the difference between love and "infuation".

I agree with you. If she will spend a period of time alone, without being pressed by their (WW or WS) feelings, she will have time to think more about her feelings. For now she's too shocked by all what happened. Death of Lady Oh, the betrayal WW and even the words of WS, They sounded more like a threat than as a declaration of love “I Told you to be prepared”

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38 minutes ago, SizzlerZ said:

 

 
I'm really sorry for cutting your post short and I have to admit that I am really impressed with the calculations you have done. Although I do have to say, I think that you can't compare the two dramas directly in terms of the minutes that they have since they are different proportionally in terms of length. To make better sense of this: 
As you said:

35 x 45-minute eps in C-drama = 1575 minutes

RX accepts 4th prince's feelings ep 22-23 = 1035 minute mark 

Percentage drama progressed when RX accepts 4th prince's feelings:

1035/1575 x 100 = 65.7% 

20 x 60-minute eps in K-drama = 1200 minutes

Number of minutes passed at 65.7%:

0.675 x 1200 = 810 mins

Number of episodes at 810 mins:

810/60 = 13.5


Therefore if the C-drama and K-drama were to run proportionally (which they don't), HS would accept WS feelings at ep 13-14
Please don't get me wrong @briseis , I have no means to offend you in fact I am impressed by your calculations and they inspired me to carry that on. I hope you don't misunderstand. 

Actually, I thought it was clear that if the cdrama had more episodes and the relationship started in episode 17 than that event would logically occur sooner in the kdrama version. That's why I mentioned episode 14 in my previous post AS THE EPISODE WHERE THE ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HS AND WS WILL REALLY START. MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE EXPLICT SO YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND ME BETTER :-). 

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3 minutes ago, briseis said:

Actually, I thought it was clear that if the cdrama had more episodes and the relationship started in episode 17 than that event would logically occur sooner in the kdrama version. That's why I mentioned episode 14 in my previous post AS THE EPISODE WHERE THE ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HS AND WS WILL REALLY START. MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE EXPLICT SO YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND ME BETTER :-). 

 

That makes perfect sense so thank you for the clarification. I agree with you there in you saying that episode 14 would be the real start between them. :) 

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11 minutes ago, violet90 said:

okay i just want to make it clear on why people do think HS should just accept WS feeling when he proposed to her???? 

i mean seriously??

that girl been tortured , beaten and losing someone important.. loss her trust on WW and demoted to be a maid.... the first man that she maybe love is WW so its make sense for her to try and save her relationship.. its the same for any of us do you just really give up on another person?? she don't know why WW do that turn his back and i think she have to know from WW himself even i know she already know why... HS is someone that keep believing and keep being betrayed by other person but she still do that and care for that person like her friend that take her bf..

in BBJX RX ask 8th to choose between throne and her.... and he choose the throne...

if its the same in here HS will ask WW to choose too and he will not choose HS and it will be their break up..

the line of story is accurate enough and its a crazy thing just to jump from being lovey dovey with WW to WS in just a second.. she need time to heal to accept her fate and WS will always be beside her just like 4th and HS will realize that WS is the one...

just because WS want it do not mean HS will have to accept it.... think from HS POV not WS if you want to understand why she will reject him.....

Rejecting WS' proposal is acceptable considering the circumstances. I believe that it is more in reaction to the possibility of HS still believing in what excuses WW will say for not "saving" her like he cannot go against the king. Personally, I want WS to disappear from her life for some time and hopefully his absence will help her wisen up.

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