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[arabela]

Also, I want to say that, even if I am not and was not a HS-WW fan or a WW fan, - cause I fall in love with WS very fast - I am not against WW.

I think he does love her and is a pretty good guy, for their times. Also I was writing in the beggining he is not a man of action - at the level WS is, and I make a joke about him being the character who said more often than anyone "I promise you" or "I will " or "I will never again... " I still find him as a good and nice guy - just because he is not able to put his life at risk for HS, or loves his family more, or loves his ambition more than HS doesnt make him a bad guy, in my opinion. He has his weaknesses and his ugly parts like any of us. And in a way sometimes less than WS.  

WS is one my favorite characters in kdrama , but, in my opinion , he is not the usual hero with a good nature and good intentions who can be the subject of romanticising fantasy. He has much more violence in himself than others, can be more cruel and ruthless than the others, is more capable of dramatic or radical decisions, is much more risktaking, has dark side that makes his love too possesive, and is not so usual vulnerable victim of a trauma - he is more like the abused who becames the abuser. He really is the son of his mother and father!! Of course, he can be incrediable loyal, he is honest, passionate, courageous, he is vulnerable in the face of the ones he loves, he can be trust when he gives his word, he can be kind and caring when he feels ok, he is very smart, very determined, has a great potential to be king - but , like the PD shows us more explicitly in the scene with the last vision of HS, the expression of THAT king, was for 2 seconds also on the face of THIS prince. ... So, this is why my interpretion is that WS is in a way THAT ruthless king --- he did go a pretty long way from the 4th prince we first saw in the first episode, but is not like he has dramatically changed his nature or his personality  he is better managing his impulsive and violent nature, but he is still having it .... the possesiveness and jealousy of his love is from this nature and probably in the future we will see more clear the darkness of it ... Like WW, he will also fail in caring  HS till the end ....But I still like him anyway ... HE doesnt have to be a good guy or a hero or a perfect lover or a great good king to like him just as he his ...

 

[KdramaAddict]

2 minutes ago, solelylurking said:

Any girl with a good common sense will know to whom she should turn to. I'm not saying she should accept the proposal right away but to rejected it in a short time and causing grieve yet again to the person who fight for you is a stupid thing for me. 

I just hope the writer playing a big twist like when Wook says, 'I miss you every time' she will say, 'But I'm not.' End. 

for last line... i'd prefer after his affirmative response she should just turn her back and Run (without giving any reply)... then only my heart will feel relieved. (just like i did....*evil laugh*)

first thing we havnt seen what words she will use to reject him, will she clearly Not Possible, may be or lets see how it will go

second.. even she says no, i'd feel tats cause of her emotions playing its part rather than her brain thinking straight. So better she can think in some time alone (without anyones influence be it WS or WW ) to do some soul searching for whom her heart really beats and for whom her eyes are glued to.. and then we can have a real truth out.

[chrissydiva]

I notice that people indeed watch shows with different perspective and interpretation. Maybe because people are so used to korean standards drama where most of the time, the female lead barely even notice the second male lead.  So when they come across a show who breaks that mold, people who ships the OTP gets frustrated with the female lead because she's not moving at the pace they want cause her feelings be damned. I might still be influenced by the way American shows are written which portrays relationship a little more real than the bias views of kdramas though they have too many bed hopping for my taste sometimes. HS is just in no position to accept anybody right now seeing her current situation. She needs time to heal.  People think nothing really happened between SoSoo and it won't make sense if she "suddenly" falls for him out of nowhere, then I disagree. Maybe people are focusing on the flaws of the show too much hence why ignoring what's given to them as signs. Soo is attracted to So not as a friend but as a man.  It's been shown. Best example, the first makeup scene! Hello!!! Lol He pretty much confessed to her then in a So fashion that he definitely see her as woman and wanted her as such. She froze not knowing what to do. I'm pretty sure if it was Eun doing it, she would have kicked him because she just never saw him as a man. Then you see her reaction when he left the room, she was shaken not out of fear but because she knew that he affected her, her heart. Afterwards, she literally rushed to see the ritual and instead of at least looking at Wook once, we see her actively looking at So, her attention was on So. They even made a point to have Wook noticed it when he looked at her once he figured out that she was the one who helped him cover the scar. Then when So looked at her and smiled, she smiled back. Now, why would she? Shouldn't she feel uncomfortable about what he just told her? I questioned it more than her visions lol One of the reasons why I think those visions should have waited because it diverted the attention from what just happened few minutes earlier. So is definitely way ahead of her because he is pretty much a newbie at this. Soo is his first love, but he's not Soo's because she experienced relationship not once, but twice already and she was burned both times. To expect her to just jump in his arms when she barely even registered everything that happens is asking too much. I love So as the next person but not everything is about him and his pain lol 

This is definitely like the Stelena/Delena triangle. Elena hated Damon because well dude was actually killing people for kicks unlike So, so the hate was understandable lol Then they build this unconventional friendship when she started to look at him with different eyes . She was clearly attracted to him even though she was madly in love with Stefan. But the attraction was there so when she moved to from one brother to the other, it wasn't like the viewers thought it came out of nowhere. The only thing is that I didn't like what they used as the final catalyst to break Stelena  up in order to move her to Damon so she didn't look like a two timer. At least, they did it better in ML, no need to turn Soo into a vampire lol. Anyway, my point is the romance between SoSoo has always been there and shown, is just that it's not the one people are used to get for the main couple. I still take their development over Wook/Soo any day. It feels more real to me. At least, Wook didn't get to kiss her like in Jealousy Incarnate lol

 

[solelylurking]

8 minutes ago, larinalove said:

So today I decided to be social and go out have a nice day with friends and then I come as usual to visit here and have to back read 20 pages, you guys are on fire but I love it.

Ok, so I see some concerns about episode 12've and it's supposed description, granted we still don't know if that's exactly how it will play out but it is likely. Like most of you, I too was very much sure HS would not accept WS's marriage proposal, after all she's been through it's only logical she would say no, I did not harbor any illusions she would accept it but reading that she will supposedly ask WW "did you miss me" or something along those lines, honestly makes my blood boil!! I mean, yes she will not be changing her feelings like wind but to write her acting as clingy, desperate for someone who she saw turn her back on her and leave her to her fate is just too much for me to bear, it's frustrating to be seeing this for 11 episodes, it's more than enough and it's getting borderline insane. 

I agree heartily with @solelylurking I also don't think they have enough time to built a solid passionate relationship between WS and HS what with so many conflicts, war, politics, and games of thrones, where will this big love fit? I said it many times here, one thing I want is HS to have her change of heart for the right reasons, if this is how it will be then doesn't WS feel like her rebound?! Doesn't it feel like her love is more of gratitude than the real deal? She even thinks to herself in prison "if you act this way it becomes harder for me to ignore you", like she wants to ignore him but he makes it impossible because he saves her all the time and she feels she has to indulge him for that.

I am sorry but seriously my patience is running out, I understand it is an adaptation of the novel and all but it doesn't change the fact that they wasted too many episodes and time building a doomed relationship while leaving the supposed real, passionate one squeeze in the last 5-6 episode with many other conflicts waiting to happen, I get that this is not the typical romance but I still see no romance at all and it's becoming frustrating.

I will be watching faithfully until the end, I am too much invested not to, but if I could I would not watch until the end just to watch all episodes at once and not have to wait, haha.

Sorry again for the rambling but I had to get it out, maybe we are making a bigger deal than it'll be but still this is the only place we get to rant because we understand each other.

 

Like I say in the previous post, maybe when Wook says, "I miss you every time" she will say, "But I'm not" and be done with it. We'll never know what they will throw us, right? (I'm trying to keep my cool and support the prod team). 

Please prod team, just pair KHN and IU in the next drama and spare our life and patience here. Please... 

It's a 21 eps drama. We already half way through. There is still 3 dead kings, wars, games of throne, inner conflicts and politicts to follow. 

[bebebisous33]

30 minutes ago, solelylurking said:

@leekyuphii I need to slap that girl hard and say, "Wake up!!!" now. 

In this sloth like progression, when will my Wook transform completely, chingu-ya??? Hiks. When will WS become happy??? Double hiks. 

They better prepare season 2. Or else there will be a complete uproar and disappointment in my side. My boyfriend got mad and picked up fights with me because of this drama. That alone says how invested I am in this.  

I really don't understand why you are so upset about Hae Soo. First, you are judging her based on the preview which is often misleading. Secondly, I explained how her words could be interpretated and to me, it shows that Hae Soo is no longer naive and blind!! So I am quoting my former comment about her. Hae Soo has changed.

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Well, I woudn't condemn Hae Soo for these words, because the way I see it is that she doesn't really want to know how much he loves her or if he really missed her. In fact, her words could be seen as a reproach from her: "Do you regret now your decision for abandoning me because you missed me? " So in my opinion, Hae Soo is not naive or blind any longer. Wang Wook wants to appeal to her feelings through his words (I missed you), since he is a man who says many things, promises many things. So if she says it before he mentions it, this means that she has seen him through, like "You appear now and where were you before? Did you miss me?" So her words could be expressed as sacarsm and cynism. If he mentiones "I missed you" before her, then this would mean that he wants to bind her to him, without doing anything in exchange. She is not under his protection. So her question is just rhetorical: She denies that he really missed her, she shows that she doesn't believe him any longer. In both situations, she is expressing the same thought: her reproach towards him and she is no longer naive or stupid!! Therefore Hae Soo shouldn't be judged just because she said those words. They have to be put back in the context thus I believe, that's the reason why she will give back the bracelet. She will be upset that he comes back to her, saying such things. She will recognise his hypocrisie! 

 

[solelylurking]

2 minutes ago, KdramaSwimmer said:

for last line... i'd prefer after his affirmative response she should just turn her back and Run (without giving any reply)... then only my heart will feel relieved. (just like i did....*evil laugh*)

first thing we havnt seen what words she will use to reject him, will she clearly Not Possible, may be or lets see how it will go

second.. even she says no, i'd feel tats cause of her emotions playing its part rather than her brain thinking straight. So better she can think in some time alone (without anyones influence be it WS or WW ) to do some soul searching for whom her heart really beats and for whom her eyes are glued to.. and then we can have a real truth out.

 

The thing is.. We don't have time for soul searching. Be it emotion or common sense, just say no already.. It's a 21 eps not 50 eps drama. We already half way through and lots and lots of things still yet to happen (kindly refer to my last post for the list). 

[MadraRua]

I found this opinion on Wang Wook vs Wang So and enjoyed it so thought I'd share with my fellow eclipses here.... Cr: kang-chuls

wook versus so: an Opinion

ok lol I lied here is the real #review. as I understand it I’m late to the party but you’ll have to bear with me while I type up my impressions of the whole Wook vs So debacle. let me preface this by saying that I do not sympathize with either of these characters, I am Team Soo all the way, but I’m interested in viewing them both through an objective lens, with my primary concern being developing character arcs and how they relate to major themes in this show.

so I saw someone ask in the tag if Wook had been this way all along or if he had changed somehow. well, personally, in the middle of the scene with Yeon Hwa I found myself recalling an earlier time when he was discussing killing with Soo. what rattled me a little at the time was when Wook said he had no regrets and no nightmares when he first killed someone at the age of eleven, because it was to protect his family. this is especially significant in light of Soo’s statement “he won’t change,” which seems a little eerie in hindsight. because you realize Wook really hasn’t changed. people say So doesn’t blink when he kills, but it’s honestly so much scarier with Wook because he genuinely does not have a moral issue with it. Wook’s morals exist along different lines than So’s do; they aren’t universal, they’re situational. add this to the fact that Wook has always been a fundamentally selfish character and his change of heart is much less than surprising. even his care for Soo is established on quite shaky grounds, more shaky than Soo herself can imagine because she is the opposite of Wook in this regard.

to begin with, as he states to Lady Hae, he is drawn to Hae Soo because she is an unselfish person who keeps saying she doesn’t want to hold him back. following this initial attraction, his relationship with her is based around his own emotions regarding Lady Hae’s death, and these emotions become so intertwined that he doesn’t even seem to distinguish his feelings of “love” for Soo from his feelings of guilt over his dead wife. but Wook is weak-willed and unsure, he’s constantly vacillating and once a better chance presents itself he abandons his current occupation (freeing Soo) to turn his attention to his own family, who he’s always protected before. he can’t contemplate abandoning them. he was never as truly committed to Soo as he was to these two other causes: his family and his own interests - though his guilt remains, and no doubt we’ll see him wallow in it a good bit more as the plot progresses, it’s never been enough to stop him from losing more of his humanity. 

Wook has never been a cruel character, never purposefully conniving or intentionally harmful. his commitment to his own skin has never seemed overt before now, because he really wants to be a decent guy, if only so he won’t have to feel bad. but for all of his qualms, he’s never held back. when the moment comes to choose, he chooses what’s best for Wang Wook every time. So says “he won’t change.” well, in a way, she’s right. he’ll still kill for his family, but most of all for himself, because he doesn’t want to feel guilty for not having stood by them. he’s driven primarily by guilt, haunted by it, and it will be what eventually destroys him in the end.

as far as general morality goes, Moon Lovers’ morality is based around its message, which concerns action vs inaction. inaction is shown to be the true evil in this show: if you do nothing and allow bad things to happen to others while you cower in on yourself, you’re either one of the bad guys already or you’re heading that direction (or you’re the king. in which case you die next episode, presumably). Wook exemplifies inaction by refusing to take risks for what he cares about, then agonizing over it later. he won’t tell Lady Hae he loves her, he won’t risk his own neck to free Soo, and he won’t stand up for Soo once she’s accused if it means throwing his own family and himself under the bus. action, on the other hand, is favored even if it’s risky action. in this regard, Soo embodies this philosophy more than any other character. she jumps into the lake after the child, she stands up for Chae Ryung, she leaps to Jung’s rescue when he’s held up by bandits, she scars her own arm so she can’t be married to the king, she kneels in protest of Court Lady Oh’s death - and these are just the major ones I can think of so far. basically this girl is hardcore. not to mention the show’s other “good guys,” like Lady Oh herself, Lady Hae, Chae Ryung, and the princes who are actually decent, all of whom more or less spring into action when the moment demands it, despite their personal struggles. but this brings me to my next point: is Wang So “good” or not?

the big debate tends to be about whether or not his actions are excusable, but I’m not particularly interested in that question because in the end, your answer for this one depends on your own personal opinions and experiences. which are very relevant, but not to an overall discussion. we all use different measures when we judge a character, and my personal ethics and everyone else’s are utterly irrelevant towards what the show is trying to establish. what’s relevant is that the show is setting him up as a force for good at the present moment, because So acts. every time. he’s a bit of a chaotic force in this regard, as he doesn’t always act rightly or on the side of the “good guys,” which we recognize from the first episode. he himself gives the analogy that best suits him, and it’s one I like and will be using from here on out: it’s not whether the sword is well forged or not, it’s how you wield it.

So doesn’t always know what’s ok to do and what isn’t, but he always thinks he does because he can’t act without believing what he does is right. this is the reason he can kill without blinking, because he believes he’s doing the right thing in each of these situations. (and when he doesn’t, he can always justify it in retrospect and promise not to do it again, right?) I’m not saying this is the best way to live. in fact, as far as I’m concerned, it’s downright stupid, but that’s a personal opinion and therefore irrelevant to what I’m trying to say here. anyhow what I’m saying is that the relevant standard to judge So by is the show’s standard, and that’s whether or not he takes action to protect what’s important to him.

what’s important to So from the beginning is love, belonging, acceptance. in the end he doesn’t care so much about possessing these things as being engulfed by them, being surrounded by people he trusts and unconditionally accepted. he’s so desperate for these things that he’s willing to go to any lengths to have them, even killing, threatening, resorting to violence and taking what’s denied him instead of waiting for it to be offered. slowly, though, he’s learning that the way to these things is not to seize them for himself through violent means, the way he does in episode 9/10, but to protect them as best as he can and wait for the rest. this doesn’t mean he’s not going to slip up again or that he no longer is trying to force this stuff, just that he’s growing as a character and he still has flaws in the way he’s wielded. he doesn’t have that perfect, just standard yet. he may get there and he may not, we’ll have to wait and see.

as yet, I don’t particularly ship So with Soo, because what I want primarily for Soo is peace and the ability to live without being controlled while protecting those she loves and helping them live to the fullest. this may involve So or it may not, depending on the direction he goes from here. but what I really want to drive home at present is the fact that we don’t need to justify So’s mistakes and we don’t need to demonize Wook. rather, they are both complicated, morally ambiguous characters who can be read through any number of lenses, but what’s actually relevant here is the direction they’re both headed in with regards to the show’s morality. at the moment, Wook has chosen to sit on the sidelines and watch as Soo’s injustice unfolds, while So has symbolically chosen to stand with her no matter the personal cost. this is what sets them up on their respective sides of the line, which is still being drawn as we speak, and what will ultimately determine both of their stories from this point forward.

 

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@briseis I too thought of Inuyasha when I first saw Wang So. Minus the ears of course. I had this profile pic for a while:

 

 

 

Some fan art: Cr: bluemingart

”You are my person.”
4th prince, Wang So

[Gabi Bros]

It's true that the preview can be misleading and the recent spoiler of what will happen also. It's not "Hae Soo is begging for Wang Wook's love" after all.  I will stop drowning in my glass of water. 

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Now that people mentioned Inuyasha, I just remembered how frustrated was the Kikyo-Inuyasha-Kagome love triangle when I was a teenager. 

 

[larinalove]

Look gals, it could be anything, HS could be saying those words in a different context, we'll have to wait tomorrow to see it and also we are not angry or upset that we still have not seen the romance between WS-HS begin properly, we are upset that if the case will be she says those words to Wook while still hoping something or still clinging that's what bothering us, maybe it will play out differently, I sure hope it will because HS has to open her eyes already.

I don't expect her to be head over heals for WS the next episode, I know that won't happen but at least I want closure between WW and HS because any more of it is just too much to bear.

[solelylurking]

5 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

I really don't understand why you are so upset about Hae Soo. First, you are judging her based on the preview which is often misleading. Secondly, I explained how her words could be interpretated and to me, it shows that Hae Soo is no longer naive and blind!! So I am quoting my former comment about her. Hae Soo has changed.

 

 

Well that's just how I feel about her. I know it's only a snippet spoiler but I never understand her anyway. I can't make you see my stand point of view so it's ok if you don't understand me, but I do feel a little frustrated of her character for some time now. It's like they play merry go around with her character.

Like I said in the ps i haven't read any other post after the spoiler. I haven't read yours too. 

And also like I said in my previous post I wish the spoiler is misleading and she will turn him down after this 'Do you miss me?' thing. And it's just because she needs closure. 

[Diana Blanche]

Maybe her question is taken out of context. What if Wang Wook will say first that he missed her? And she will answer with the same question: “You missed me?” (ok not exactly this words). And after that she will give back to him the bracelet, telling him that she didn't miss him. At least that's what I hope to see tomorrow. At least, I can dream 

[mabelialong]

pic taken from PDnote SBS

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[NitaA]

10 hours ago, MoOnLoVeRz said:

 

Soo-ah,.... you are running out of time girl. Wake up and take his hand on marriage. We only have 8 more episodes and you are wasting your time with #8. Please don't make us wait for your change of heart at episode 18 only to break up at episode 20. My heart can't take it.....

[KdramaAddict]

8 minutes ago, solelylurking said:

 

The thing is.. We don't have time for soul searching. Be it emotion or common sense, just say no already.. It's a 21 eps not 50 eps drama. We already half way through and lots and lots of things still yet to happen (kindly refer to my last post for the list). 

sure dear...i did read ur post...

and in agreement with you we dont have time but still we have to see the characters based on what situations they are in, and not just how much more need to happen. I am hoping writer and PDnim must have all things thought and planned(ok i m being too optimistic here)

and also as @bebebisous33 teachernim said it  might be her way to show her reproach to WW's and not to know how much he really missed her.

she is just trying to be sarcastic to hit him hard with the big words he used to utter (like i'd do so much for you)...

[solelylurking]

Just now, KdramaSwimmer said:

sure dear...i did read ur post...

and in agreement with you we dont have time but still we have to see the characters based on what situations they are in, and not just how much more need to happen. I am hoping writer and PDnim must have all things thought and planned(ok i m being too optimistic here)

and also as @bebebisous33 teachernim said it  might be her way to show her reproach to WW's and not to know how much he really missed her.

she is just trying to be sarcastic to hit him hard with the big words he used to utter (like i'd do so much for you)...

 

Like I said before, in the ps (must I bold it or something?), I don't have time to read any other post past the spoiler. I only read the ones after I post the 'complain'. So I haven't read hers yet. I don't know what she is writing or explaining in regards of the spoiler. And I already said in the prev of my post, eventhough I am frustrated of HS, I still hope the spoiler is misleading and the writer play a plot twist. 

[yuhotarubi]

You know what ? Sometimes the love triangle in scarlet heart reminds me of the love triangle in vampire diaries.

 

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There's Elena who's in love with Stefan, who's the nice guy ( vampire) who always makes promises, that don't (all ) get fulfilled and she's also attracted and cares about his older brother Damon, a man who acts first thinks later, smart , who also has a soft side hidden beneath layers and layers of ruthlessness. So at the beginning, Elena is all about Stefan, but then they breakup, ( he never turned his back on her though ) and she falls in love with Damon later on, and she explains it by saying that although she loved Stefan first, Damon "snuck up on her, and before she knew it she couldn't shake him off " 

I wonder if that'll be the way the love triangle will sort itself out.  I hope it's really soon though, give me plenty of hugs when the time comes drama. 

[Diana Blanche]

10 minutes ago, LyraYoo said:

Am i the only one who thinks that Hae Soo's Did you miss me is a parroting remark from Wang So'  back hug moment I Miss You i the preview ? (with the dramatic warrior mask on?)

I am very skeptical with that twitter post and I really want to see the original text. 

 

Yeah you're right. Wang So told her that he missed her. If that tweet is wrong then her question is towards Wang So, not Wang Wook.

[KdramaAddict]

18 minutes ago, Diana Blanche said:

Maybe her question is taken out of context. What if Wang Wook will say first that he missed her? And she will answer with the same question: “You missed me?” (ok not exactly this words). And after that she will give back to him the bracelet, telling him that she didn't miss him. At least that's what I hope to see tomorrow. At least, I can dream 

just an hypothesis.. what if its her response to WSs Bogoshipta that we already seen in preview..(ahh another too optimistic me thinking all good and posittve for HS-WS) so it can not be the case but just saying...lol

so @LyraYoo has same thoughts... good thing to know its not just me thinking that way..

@MadraRua that post you shared is just A-W-E-S-O-M-E each n every word is so well written and without saying anyone wrong or right it explains the character with no bias or liking...loved it.

 

7 minutes ago, solelylurking said:

 

Like I said before, in the ps (must I bold it or something?), I don't have time to read any other post past the spoiler. I only read the ones after I post the 'complain'. So I haven't read hers yet. I don't know what she is writing or explaining in regards of the spoiler. And I already said in the prev of my post, eventhough I am frustrated of HS, I still hope the spoiler is misleading and the writer play a plot twist. 

*hoping for the same with fingers and toes crossed*

[chrissydiva]

7 minutes ago, yuhotarubi said:

You know what ? Sometimes the love triangle in scarlet heart reminds me of the love triangle in vampire diaries.

 

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There's Elena who's in love with Stefan, who's the nice guy ( vampire) who always makes promises, that don't (all ) get fulfilled and she's also attracted and cares about his older brother Damon, a man who acts first thinks later, smart , who also has a soft side hidden beneath layers and layers of ruthlessness. So at the beginning, Elena is all about Stefan, but then they breakup, ( he never turned his back on her though ) and she falls in love with Damon later on, and she explains it by saying that although she loved Stefan first, Damon "snuck up on her, and before she knew it she couldn't shake him off " 

I wonder if that'll be the way the love triangle will sort itself out.  I hope it's really soon though, give me plenty of hugs when the time comes drama. 

Yep, i said the same thing. Definitely giving the same feelings in terms who I ship and the character I love the most. Same configuration lol 

[NitaA]

Good advice from a twitter page to all of us girls who might get thrown out to the Ryeo time in the next eclipse.