[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[cherilyn]

Before this week's episodes, I just thought that YH was kind of a misunderstood character (though a bit spoiled/arrogant) because everything she was doing was to protect herself and her family from being ousted by Queen Yoo. 

However, now... >.<

[larinalove]

Can I just say how much love the fact that WS doesn't seem swayed even a little bit even in the preview for the next episode from pursuing HS. He steals a peck from her, he grabs her from the waist and give her that smoldering look that would make me melt into a puddle if I were HS, lol. He still teases her and has that hairpin waving it to her with a smile in his face, he comes to her after coming form what seems to be a battle of sorts, back hugs her, tells her he missed her, asks her to marry him, oh man, truly, HS must have the resistance the legends should write about because I would be far gone by now, hahaha.

I can't wait to see their sweet, lovey/dovey moments before some storm strikes again, they have the most amazing love story and it hasn't even properly started yet.

[fuyukoneko]

I was watching episode 12 preview for the 10th? 20th? time and noticed that Korean word for marriage is the same as Mandarin =). I wonder if there are more shared words. Watching Scarlet Heart has made me want to learn Korean, especially since other people have said some of the translations on drama fever aren't 100% correct.

[Immortal_Angel]

1 hour ago, orphelia said:

I really hope K-ver will not follow C-ver closely, especially towards the ending. I don't like how the C-version progressed and ended. If I'm not mistaken, C-ver do follow some history facts. But since K-ver is not following Chinese history, please change the ending to be a happy one, if not in Goryeo era, at least let it be happy in the modern era (or ends with a possibility).

 

I feel like they will follow the cversion ending since she has to find her way back to modern day. with an ending like that we can get a modern day version scarlet heart since its modern day they don't need to follow cversion modern day story but they can create their own which can be good since the writers can have no boundary on writing 

[dustdevil]

3 hours ago, outofspace said:

...I still haven't recovered, so all I can say right now is that I can't wait to see Nam Joohyuk in military attire, and also, I'm just so incredibly curious about how Baek Ah's romance with Woohee will play out. Right now, I feel like it might be misleading editing that she killed the king, but if she did kill the king, well...I do wonder how that romance will even begin, haha, since they aren't anywhere close to being even friends at the moment. Anyone keen on sharing their theories? I have a couple of my own. 

I noticed in that picture that Baek Ah's hair is still down, so whenever that battle haappens, he isn't married yet. I'm going to bet that the Woohee was planning on killing the King, but he dies of a heart attack or stroke right before she can go through with it.

[arabela]

till now we have 2  women dead, WW's wife and Lady O, both died loving their men who in a way failed them but both of them forgive them , HS will be the next one

till know we have 2 men sacrificing their loved one for political /surviving reasons (WW and king); both of them cutting their most precious person in their heart, for, in fact a greater love: political power..., WS will be the next one .... 

and 2 greedy, ambitious, unloving women the Queen with a log name and YH , both liking in a way their king husband, but not so much as power ... they lost their men heart but win the throne ... 

when love meets power ....

 

 

[ruizaio]

@Adnana I think they still finished filming everything they needed for the story. The later 10 episodes would have eventually passed the review before the whole show started. IU was probably going by what was planned for ep 11 at the time of acting, and things must have gotten shifted afterwards. They weren't shooting scenes in order anyway, as the edited chicken picnic scene was the very first shooting for this drama.

The director did say the story will be about how HS changes as she grows from a teenager into a woman in her 20s and 30s (but then he had also said the show will cover about 10 years of time, so maybe the 30s part is about Wang So - currently they're about 16 and 18), and this was just before ep 1 aired. He seemed very confident about the quality of his work (which backfired on him majorly after the first week, but oh well), so here's hoping that the later episodes will be just as good as ep 11.

Also, towards the end of the filming, they were shooting extra scenes to accommodate changes to the script, so I'm sure the story will be complete. Of course, there's nothing that guarantees this...

I think the situation here is different from Faith. For Faith, they were indeed live shooting, and the director was not exactly respecting the writer anyway (he did that with their previous collaboration, too, which was why they didn't work together for a while. Heck, Faith went through many changes before SJN eventually joined the team. A lot of the budget was wasted in that process, another challenge that SHR didn't have.) Also, the atmosphere was probably depressing because the ratings were disappointing. At least SHR was filmed when everybody was optimistic (probably a litttle too much so now at hindsight) and in a good mood.

Part of the difficulty of filming sageuks is that there's a lot of time wasted on transportation. So they plan shooting schedule by location rather than by the scene order, so that would also have helped with SH:R. Faith didn't have that luxury as the scripts were being fleshed out as the show progressed. 

 

Looking at the trailer for next week, it seems that the plot will move a lot faster from now on. It is sad that it took them so long to get here, but oh well. I'm just hoping they'll release a no-cut version on DVD/Blu-ray so that we can enjoy the deleted scenes from the early episodes. 

The Korean fans on DC have decided to gather information on how many people would be willing to purchase the DVD/Blu-ray set if it comes out. While nobody has volunteered to lead the effort, they'll at least get the process going with a temporary leader (because they want someone with more experience for negotiating terms with the production and what not to be the actual leader). I'll bring more information on that here and tag everybody when that starts.

[gobsmack]

Seohyun looks a bit older than her age here. Bad makeup? 

 

[RoxanaR]

somebody know if there are cut scenes in ep 11? ... where is the scene of wook screaming Hae Soo name?

is in next episodes???

[bebebisous33]

On 9/28/2016 at 1:52 AM, aine7 said:

There is something that strikes me watching the last two episodes: the symbolism of water.

Time travel associated with water. Go Ha Jin drown and “reborn” as Hae Soo (actually emerging out of water directly into trouble… but that’s her path to overcome all sorts of obstacles). There always a transformation associated with water.

I read a comment about the dichotomy Wook – So in expressing their feelings. Cave vs. beach, restrained vs. open.

Including the association of water/body of water, Wook’s feeling will always carve through him without plainly emerging to the surface. So’s feelings unrestrained, opened, raw.

There’s a second manifestation of water through rain: Rain ritual: time for So’s transformation – to overcome his fears, build confidence. There’s a sense of growth, nurturing, cleansing

Rain in break-up scene: Wook’s transformation – resigned, resentful. Bleak, cold, heavy atmosphere, like a corroding factor  

 

Yes, since Hae Soo is connected to the myth of Goryeo. This was explained by @brielover

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There are two versions, but basically the river god's daughter, Yuhwa, is found in or by the water by Hae Mo Su, she marries him and gives birth to Jumong who founds the kingdom of Goguryeo. Another version has her marrying but leaving him before granting her heart to another and then giving birth to Jumong. In effect, whoever she chooses to love becomes the father of the nation. 

Water is all along present in this drama and under different forms:

- bath (ritual and Yoo)

- Rain (ritual and the pleading for lady Oh)

- snow

- the lake and cottage

- the ocean

- and finally tea

Therefore I would like to analyse the different significations and uses for water.

Water symbolises purity and as such it is used for cleaning. Therefore water symbolises purification too. For example, in Christianism, holy water is used for baptism. Striking is that Queen Yoo loves to take a bath. We saw her twice taking a bath. Each time, there were many flowers so that her bath would smell good. This is no coincidence in my opinion. First, Yoo needs to take often a bath because of her misdeeds. She wants to wash off her sins in order to make herself feel better. But since she is such a bad person, water is not enough to atone her sins hence she tries to cover it with perfume. That's why she hates stink and reproached So to stink. When So went to visit her in her room, she complained about the smell of the blood. Her words and behaviour reveals that she doesn't want to get her hand dirty and doesn't want to be confronted with the results of her actions. She will always use her maids or her son Yo to dirty his hands. She can remain clean, yet she has no clear conscience in the end. Hence she bathes very often. But the way she tries to purify herself is not working therefore she is often seen drinking tea. Drinking tea can be considered as a way to clean herself in the inside. We had two scenes for that: Yoo poured tea for her or So witnessed how his mother poured the tea into her bath. Each time, it happened just before a crime would occur. In the last mentioned scene, it was interesting because by throwing away the tea, she wanted to demonstrate her strength in front of So. She acted as if she had a clear conscience and what she was doing was right. Her intention was to prove to So how strong she was. The bottom of the line is that Yoo has in the end no clear conscience. She feels dirty, yet she doesn't want to be seen as a big sinner. Therefore she wants to shine like a sun so that noone behind her glow would notice how tarnished she really is. She hates So for that matter too: the scar of 4th prince is the sign of her evilness. She can't wash it away. It is there forever. Moreover, when Wang So appeared in front of her during that night (episode 4), he popped up covered with blood so that she was confronted with her own evilness. Due to her scheme, Wang So had to kill the witnesses. No wonder, she hated him even more as she hates it being confronted by the results of her own actions. When Wang Yo visited her, he was always very clean. Then in his character description, it is written that he suffers from germaphobia. The cause of his illness comes from his mother. Since he has been her tool and toy, he was the one who had to get his hand dirty. His mother never does, like I mentioned it above.

The bath appeared also with the princes. They were all washing themselves, when Hae Soo appeared out of nowhere. For Wang So, it happened later. Yet I believe, the bath can be seen here as a new start for all the princes. From the moment they met Hae Soo there, their relationship and their behaviour started changing. Wang So couldn't hide his vulnerability , something he had hidden very well. Eun started growing up, in the sense that he started getting interested in girls (peeping, later the courting). He was still an immature boy, still a child (he still had a lot of toys!!), however he fell in love for the first time. Wang Wook started seeing life from a different perspective (more laughing, jokes, poetry aso). Wang Jung also began behaving more like a responsible person. When Hae Soo saved his life, he pledged that he would repay her with his life and promised her to become a great man. His maturity was even more visible in the last episode and I am expecting more from him now. While in the past, he used to stop Eun or Baek Ah to follow So or Hae Soo, he is now the one who starts doing something. In the episode 10, he searched for Soo worried that she would get caught. He refused to stay passive. In the rain scene (episode 11), he took the initiate to go on his knees first. He was also the one who proposed that all the princes would go to the King and ask for Hae Soo's release. So the bath represented a new start in their life. The only exception is Wang Yo... but he has never been close to hae Soo anyway, moreover he was the only one who wasn't really interested in the girl who had suddendly popped up in the bath.

As I had mentioned it above, rain is often used in this drama in order to underline a change and a significant turning point. Since rain is made of water, it can be seen as purification as well. But it is not really purification, it rather destroys the appearance and reveal your true self or identity. Let me explain: When you walk without umbrella and it is raining, rain wets your clothes, destroys  your hair and your make-up so that in a sense, a new side of you is revealed. Here, it should be seen figuratively. Rain will reveal your true personality. That's why the rain in the episode 9 was a little different. Wang Wook hid from the rain and talked to his sister protected. He was fighting with his inner demon (greed, ambition), but he never really revealed it to his sister. Therefore he only put one hand outside. This gesture showed that he was still hiding his true personality (cowardice, ruthless, greedy aso). Wang So was on the other hand totally soaked... since Hae Soo had seen him as Gwanjong before the rain fell, she was first scared of him. Yet Wang So revealed a new side to her with his words: gentleness, his longing for being accepted by his father aso. This explains why Hae Soo decided to give him first the benefit of the doubt. Nonetheless, he showed her a new soft side of himself. Finally, I will talk about the rain scene from the last episode. Here, we have a turning point again: Wang Wook's mask fell off. Hae Soo realised Wang Wook's betrayal and his true personality. He was a coward who didn't try to protect her. She realised that his love for her was not strong enough, but she also got aware of his true personality: the long list of empty promises. He would get her out and he never did. He abandoned her. But her disappointment didn't last for long, as she saw Wang So by her side. Wang So was brave enough to stay by her side and ignore his father's thread. Hae Soo's eyes revealed relief and gratitude. Finally, she was able to see Wang So's true personality: he keeps his promise and protects her no matter what. He is totally hers. So the rain takes away her "love" for wang Wook, like washing off. And this is the beginning of a new one. Sure, she was attracted to him before, but she hadn't realised her feelings for him. Her love for him is already visible, when she worries more for him than for herself who is in prison and has been tortured. Moreover, the rain marks a new start for Hae Soo as well. She has lost her innocence and she will view people now more carefully.

The scene with the ocean in the background is also important because Hae Soo can breathe again, ocean is an open space and as such, it means freedom. Since Hae Soo hadn't left the palace for so long, for her seeing the ocean is like  revitalising herself. She looks calmer and almost happy there. Since Hae Soo is connected to water, the sea is like a part of herself she had been missing. Wang So notices it which makes him happy. But before they went to the ocean, Hae Soo went to the lake, when she was suffering from her panick attack. So here again, she was trying to calm herself but couldn't because of wang So's sudden presence. Both always go to the lake in order to revitalise themselves, gather some strength again and think too. 

Snow appears in the episode 5, when Wang Wook and Hae Soo walks together, but also when he has lady Hae on his back. Snow is a different form of water. It is not only cold, but it can also burn as well, therefore snow can inflict pain. Deep snow like here is often connected to hardship and death so that it implies that Wang Wook's love for Hae Soo and lady Hae is connected to pain and is in the end doomed. Since it was also used with lady Hae, we can also see similarities. Both women suffered due to him: abandonment, unrequired love or better said, Wang Wook could never say to his wife that he loved her. On the other hand snow is also connected to innocence and purity because of the colour white illustrating again the nature of their love (both lady Hae who was selfless and Hae Soo who idolised Wang Wook). This love will never be concrete and physical, but Wang wook will always live with regret. He tried to cover his regret by loving Hae Soo so that he could feel better for neglecting lady Hae but he failed again. He allowed his coldness to control his life again. Therefore his love was never deep enough because it was connected to coldness as well. @solelylurking

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[addicted2drama]

im wondering about the marriage of HS and WS ... i hope it will happened but secretly because the king don't approve of it but WS don't care and the only witness of this marriage is 13th prince ... and then when HS became pregnant she lost her baby because of King Yo at that time. that's when WS want to get revenge and then kill WY ha ha ha ha (my imagination running wild)

[lavender2love]

T. A. K. E. S          D. E. E. P .      B. R. E. A. T. H. ..... E. X. H. A. L . E. S ........ !!!

THIS EPISODE IS EXPLOSIVE. IT IS DARK. IT IS TREACHEROUS. IT IS SACRIFICIAL AND THE TIME HAS COME FOR EACH PRINCE TO MOVE TO ANOTHER ECHELON OF POWER.

That's the aftermath after watching the gut wrenching episode 11 . Finally completed the viewing with subs and it's wretched, heart breaking , cheerless but definitely meatier. I've always maintain that if the drama injects it's own twists it would be a  stealer like the astounding sacrifice of Lady Oh. However I concur that the K-version of the RAIN SCENE which is the exact adaptation of the C-version  in which 4th stoically and literally stood by Rouxi is well done in by LJK..... ( Ok! Ok ! I admit..... that's because LJK is way more handsome than Nicky Wu . I'm shallow I know..... I'm allowed some spazzing yknow. ) 

In absolute term LADY OH's story arc is dramatic. Her revelation of her relationship with the King is touching..... so gratifying to know that once upon a time they loved each other and had intimacies and she even became pregnant with his child...... a prince / princess..... WOW !!! But the witch Queen caused her to miscarry. You know, PD gave me the nightmares watching her twitching feet just before she went limp at the moment of death.....Too late, I couldn't unsee that .... < wails > Such courage and wisdom of the ways of the hearts of the royals.

SO TRAGIC ! WHAT A MAGNANIMOUS PERSON. FARE WELL LADY OH. YOU ARE REMEMBERED AND HONOURED.

credit : owner

4th PRINCE WANGSO...... HIS SCREEN PRESENCE SIZZLES AND MELTS ANY ELECTRONIC DEVICES. THE MAN OF THE HOUR. HIS KINGLY ATTRIBUTES CONTINUE TO DOMINATE AND CAPTIVATE.

credit : owner ( taken from @MAROSA_JIN with thanks )

A noteworthy episode. Much conflict now and soon to come........ brother against brother, sons against or their mothers, sons and king fragile relationship. HS's new dawn of revelation. Things are never the same again.

THANK YOU ALL IN ML FOR YOUR WONDERFUL PICTURES, GIFS, ANALYSIS , HISTORY  LESSONS, HUMOUR, OST, BTS.... ETC...ETC.... YOU ARE TOPS. ( Sorry I can't back read fast enough )

 

 

[cedarwood]

I know it's pointless but I'll write anyway (so you know I'm alive ) - just saw 11th episode and cried like a baby. I don't know when was the last time I cried so much over a drama character and the last episode was totally court lady Oh's moment. 

Now I feel so sad I don't know what to do.  

[briseis]

The Tale of Two Brothers

“When you are alone what are your inner, most secret thoughts?” 

So and Wook were born in the same year, but the they couldn’t be more different - one chooses the woman he loves over his family while the other abandons her to save that family. It’s normal and natural to choose family over people not related by blood, but IT’S EXTRAORDINARY WHEN SOMEONE DOES, WHEN SOMEONE IS CAPABLE OF LOVE SO STRONG THAT IT EVEN EXCEEDS THE LOVE FOR A FAMILY AND HIS OWN SELF. 

The difference between So and Wook stems from the lives they have led - it’s the alpha and omega of everything and it shows that in the end it was invitable that Wook chose his family over Hae Soo. Wook’s always had his family’s care and protection, something So never had.

That’s why it makes complete sense that Wang So would choose the one person who gave it to him - HIS LOYALTY BELONGS ONLY TO HER, HIS  LOVE FOR HER IS UNCONDITIONAL - while Wook’s loyalties are divided and he ultimately chooses his family.

From the beginning, his love for HS has always had limits and conditions and depended on so many “what-ifs” and it a way it’s very fickle - the moment he notices a hint of affection for So in her eyes, his love wavers and he lets go of her hand - how apt and symbolic, recoiling both physically and emotionally - IT’S HIS FIRST BETRAYAL.

She’s been unflinching in her love and loyalty to him; she’s been showing it openly him, never rejecting him. Wook has always been the most dangerous and mercurial of the two brothers because he lacks the ability to share himself completely with anyone.

Much has been said about So’s possessiveness, but nothing about Wook’s and HE HAS BEEN POSSESSIVE make no mistake. And his possessiveness has been much more dangerous and unhealthy. When So tells Hae Soo that she is his he means that HE IS HERS AS WELL - COMPLETELY, UTTERLY, UNCONDITIONALLY; HEART, BODY AND SOUL - HE IS PROMISING HER THAT HE WILL ONLY EVER CHOOSE HER. So knows she loves someone else but he IS RISKING EVERYTHING FOR HER ANYWAY; HE DOES EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER AND USES EVERY WEAPON AT HIS DISPOSAL TO SAVE HER AND PROTECT HER. HIS LOVE AND LOYALTY FOR HER HAVE NO LIMITS. If someone says that someone belongs to him, IT MEANS BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PERSON, and So protecting HS means that he meant every word he said about her belonging to him. HE IS FULFILLING HIS PROMISE TO HER. To belong to someone isn’t only about taking but also about giving and So HAS ALWAYS BEEN GIVING SO MUCH TO HS, GIVING SO MUCH OF HIMSELF, GIVING HIMSELF COMPLETELY TO HER.

[hiluna]

2 hours ago, lilminx said:

OMG!  I have always loved LJK and admired his acting skills but now, NOW, I think I am IN LOVE truly with LJK. His micro expressions just KILL me and I don't know what to do..... help... somebody???

This last episode was such a tear jerker. Love Lady Oh's scenes, she is so good and the story will be a bit less lustrous without her character.  I was wondering, where was the 10th prince when this all happened to OK? Why wasn't he there? Is he still mad at her? Didn't quite understand that, unless, again, it was editied out?

I think 10th prince was sulking. He didn't want to go to the family gathering after bumping into Soo and maybe he doesn't know what is going on in the palace since he probably lives outside now that he is married.  There is nothing he could do anyway.  The General wasn't there either so maybe he stopped 10th prince from interfering.

[ruizaio]

Some Korean fans are hopeful that Hae Soo's character may be loosely based on a possible concubine that some historical records include. Apparently, a palace maid of the family name Kim (which is one of the royal family names of Silla, so possibly Baek Ah's connection if it were to happen in SHR) was later posthumously promoted to Hyeonbi, although I don't see it in any official records. In the case of Faith, KHS's character did have the same last name as the actual wife of Choi Young in history, but here... I don't think they'd go that route.

Also, is anybody familiar with the Japanese manga series, Red River? I'm more and more reminded of that manga as I watch this drama... of course, I didn't watch the C-version so I don't know if the similarity is greater with it than Red River. At least in Red River, the ending is more satisfying as you don't have to worry about fudging with history. I'll probably reread it after SHR ends, mentally imagining HS and WS as Yuri and Kyle...

[jerboa83]

 

On 28.9.2016 at 3:10 AM, MadraRua said:

@jerboa83 

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Thank you SO MUCH! I'll take a look at the tutorial... I'm also looking for info online. 

[kammiya]

Just to check if I got it right..

The king has a lot of queens but the one with most rank is the evil queen and then comes WW's mother.

1st: Mu, the first son of the king and thus the crown prince. Mother unknown
2nd: Yo (first born of the evil queen)
4th: So also a son of the evil queen
8th: Wook (son of the second queen concubine?)
9th: don't know much of him, don't know if he is good or bad, mother unknown
10th: the puppy that was in love with HS, now married to the general's daughter, mother unknown
13th: Baekha, mother unknown, he was in love with WW's wife
14th: don't know his name (Ji Soo) also a son of the evil queen.

and then there's the evil sister with the same mother as Wook

 

[wchoi8]

Hi all!

I just got done watching ep 11 and was curious, why didnt Wang So just tell the king that he knows his mother was the one behind the poison? Is it because hes afraid that he'd be punished for it as well?

 

[ruizaio]

6 minutes ago, kammiya said:

Just to check if I got it right..

The king has a lot of queens but the one with most rank is the evil queen and then comes WW's mother.

1st: Mu, the first son of the king and thus the crown prince. Mother unknown
2nd: Yo (first born of the evil queen)
4th: So also a son of the evil queen
8th: Wook (son of the second queen concubine?)
9th: don't know much of him, don't know if he is good or bad, mother unknown
10th: the puppy that was in love with HS, now married to the general's daughter, mother unknown
13th: Baekha, mother unknown, he was in love with WW's wife
14th: don't know his name (Ji Soo) also a son of the evil queen.

and then there's the evil sister with the same mother as Wook

 

 

The king had 6 queens and 23 concubines.

Queen 1 didn't have any children.
Queen 2 (of Naju Oh clan) had Crown Prince.
Queen 3 (of Yu clan of Chungju, a geologically critical location for Goryeo) had 5 sons, first of which died young, then there's Yo (3rd), So (4th), and Jeong (who was probably older than Wook1 but in SHR he's 14th) and one more son who became a Buddhist monk.
Queen 4 is the mother of Wook1 (8th in SHR) and YH (name is unknown in history).
Queen 5 is a former Silla royalty and mother of Wook2 (Baek Ah/13th in SHR).
Queen 6 is historically mother-in-law to Wook1 and Jeong (Jeong's wife is older than Wook1's wife).

Wang Won (9th in SHR)'s mother is a concubine from Pyeongsan Yu clan. 
Wang Eun (name is unknown in history. title is Gwangjuwongun. 10th in SHR)'s mother is the younger daughter of Wang Kyu. Both of his daughters married Wang Geon, so when HS was punished for refusing the royal marriage, Ji Mong mentions that Eun's aunt (Lady Gwangjuwon) also asked for HS as her maid. 

Also, General Park Su Kyeong's two daughters were also Wang Geon's concubines, and one of them (Lady Mongryangwon) is mentioned when they discuss which prince to marry SD.

11 minutes ago, wchoi8 said:

Hi all!

I just got done watching ep 11 and was curious, why didnt Wang So just tell the king that he knows his mother was the one behind the poison? Is it because hes afraid that he'd be punished for it as well?

 

 

Because his mother threatened him with fabricated evidence that she'll tell the king that she did it to make So the next king. I wonder if So will take advantage of that list later on to become king himself.