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[wordsmyth0253]

2 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

I'm really interested to know where you got your subs from. That quote from Lady O.

The C-subs say: 他本是极其缺爱之人, 却在你这里学会了情为何意 ("He was a person who lacked love, but has now learned to love through you.)

Such an interesting discrepancy. Wonder why that is.

 

The original Korean is "정에 주렸던 사람이 너에게 정을 배웠다"  or "Someone who was starved for affection learned affection from you."

[liddi]

On 9/26/2016 at 1:39 PM, LyraYoo said:

And i am here smiling ear to ear that all the discussions in this thread were validated by JG and KHN's interviews.

Good job everyone!

Also I am happy that they are also aware of the success of the drama in international setting. That is much rewarding as a fan of JG and the drama as well.

 

@LyraYoo The cast has undoubtedly successfully translated their interpretations of their characters onscreen... which makes this drama such a compelling watch and so well received.

Goryeo's beekeeper definitely earned his moniker... but while his gazes are often swoonworthy, my favourite remains the moment he realises Lady Hae is dead - the devastation, fleetingly replaced by steely resolve as he shh's Soo to not wake her up... then the hollow desolation in his eyes as he continues to carry his wife in that lonely walk in the snow. Powerful imagery that haunts me even now. As for LJG... MLSHR truly opened my eyes to the LJG appeal... how he is able to translate so much of his emotions with so little. Every scene he had with Taejo and Queen Yoo... the bewildered hurt, knowing that his father looked only for the Crown Prince when he was the one injured in his place... the searing pain in the face of rejection by the mother whose love he desperately sought - all these subtly emoted through the look of just one visible eye. The triumphant look he threw her at the rain ritual, fulfilling his vow to force her to look only at him from there on - magnificent. As for IU... she has brought Hae Soo's youth, vitality and spirit to life after a slightly rocky start in the first episode, and now to me, she is Soo, and I am eagerly looking forward to how her character changes through the physical and emotional trials that await her. From the stills, I am certain she will not disappoint. And while we have seen some uneven acting among the less-experienced actors in earlier episodes, it is wonderful to see improvements in their performances as time went on. Love the camaraderie on-set, the obvious affection between them, and expecting even better things in the last half of the drama. 

[qwenli]

7 hours ago, UnniSarah said:

Ofcourse @deabakdrama ... I believe that is how it will end in this drama. I believe she will tell him, she is from the future so that he can rescue her when she almost drown. That would be DAEBAK!!

I really will pray for this!

[Adnana]

18 minutes ago, wordsmyth0253 said:

The original Korean is "정에 주렸던 사람이 너에게 정을 배웠다"  or "Someone who was starved for affection learned affection from you."

 

@wordsmyth0253 Thank you for this phrase, and may I also ask about the exchange between 4th Prince and Ji Mong when Hae Soo enters the palace (as a court lady) in E06? (at 56:07 in the SBS version)

Wang So says: ...something about Hae Soo (and seems angry with Ji Mong) What does WS say exactly?

Ji Mong replies: It's a misunderstanding.

[redfrommars]

17 minutes ago, qwenli said:

I really will pray for this!

LET ME JOIN YOU! *fingers crossed 

[dramu51ch0c10ve]

I was just thinking how SHR might end.It would be so cool that when Ha Jin wakes up from her coma/fainting after being rescued from drowning,the first person she sees when she opens her eyes is reincarnation of Wang So dressed in doctor's clothing.Then maybe they can continue their love story inthe 21st century.There is a very slim chance such a scene would happen but never mind...I can dream a happy ending rite?

[kingpin]

 

 

 

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[Mona Ys]

22 hours ago, junee22 said:

@miyukiakira1988 tried it for the second time.. and still the same answer "The administrator is currently not accepting new membership registrations"  I wonder if this has anything to do with my IP like in case of dramafever???? 

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@fathiayunia aslinya sih dari Banyuwangi..

@dhia205 & @solelylurking it's okay..kalian pake lu-gw aja..kan udah kebiasaan  ..about LJG..IKR...cantiknya ngalahin cewek..hahaha..tp pas liat dia fighting..ughhhhh..jd bener2 keinget sama kartun SamuraiX....hehehe...jadinya kayak aq selingkuh mata dari suami deh...astaghfirulloh.... 

Tadinya jg nonton drama satunya..tp pas SHR tayang di-pause dulu deh..ga bisa lepas dr bayangannya LJG ssi...

@leekyuphii why did you laugh?are you perhaps Indonesian too??or maybe know bahasa? nice to meet you again     

Hi ALL..... gw dari Jakarta, watching MLSHR from OneAsia channel. gw udah lama nge-fans ama LJG dari sejak dia main ILJIMAE, tiap tahun pasti heboh mabok kesengsem sama oppa LJG hahaha.... makin tua makin cakep aja ya.... dia beneran vampire kali ya... nonton TBWD sama nonton MLSHR, mukanya ngga berubah, cuma pas di Joseon Gunman dia agak tua tampangnya... makin ke Scholar trus sekarang kok tambah muda ya...

At last..did it on keeping up..but left behind again  oh well..let's keep on going friends..tomorrow is Moonday!!FINALLY!!

 

Hello, I've been super busy today but IT'S MONDAY guys!!! can't concentrate at all at work today LOL, and keep watching the time... it's 5 hours til episode 10! yeyyyy,.... I still got a meeting at 4pm (richard simmons) I hope it finishes early cause I need to go home on-time to catch my 8pm show.... I can't wait for this episode with so many spoiler stills and I really need my weekly dose of LJG, I think he is a drug in human form LOL....

[shiraru]

52 minutes ago, liddi said:

@LyraYoo The cast has undoubtedly successfully translated their interpretations of their characters onscreen... which makes this drama such a compelling watch and so well received.

Goryeo's beekeeper definitely earned his moniker... but while his gazes are often swoonworthy, my favourite remains the moment he realises Lady Hae is dead - the devastation, fleetingly replaced by steely resolve as he shh's Soo to not wake her up... then the hollow desolation in his eyes as he continues to carry his wife in that lonely walk in the snow. Powerful imagery that haunts me even now. As for LJG... MLSHR truly opened my eyes to the LJG appeal... how he is able to translate so much of his emotions with so little. Every scene he had with Taejo and Queen Yoo... the bewildered hurt, knowing that his father looked only for the Crown Prince when he was the one injured in his place... the searing pain in the face of rejection by the mother whose love he desperately sought - all these emoted through the look of just one visible eye. The triumphant look he threw her at the rain ritual, fulfilling his vow to force him to look only at him from there on - magnificent. As for IU... she has brought Hae Soo's youth, vitality and spirit to life after a slightly rocky start in the first episode, and now to me, she is Soo, and I am eagerly looking forward to how her character changes through the physical and emotional trials that await her. From the stills, I am certain she will not disappoint. And while we have seen some uneven acting among the less-experienced actors in earlier episodes, it is wonderful to see improvements in their performances as time went on. Love the camaraderie on-set, the obvious affection between them, and expecting even better things in the last half of the drama. 

Thank you for this post! I accidentally clicked another MLSHR bashing article and comments. I was truly trying my best to ignore them but curiosity got the best of me...and as they say; curiosity kills a cat, moreover most of them can't seem to just agree to disagree with me  I feel better reading your post because I have the same opinion as you about the cast. They bring MLHSR characters to life, and I appreciate every hard work and effort that they put in. Especially for IU, from the stills yesterday, I reaaally hope she brings her 'A' game to this week's episodes, so her bashers/haters/mean commenters would definitely shut up.

Also, more Kang Haneul being cheesy/flirty to IU, even Hong Jonghyun seems to have had it with him, hahahahaaa... 

 

[wordsmyth0253]

@Adnana So basically calls Ji Mong out for engineering it so that Su's not free of the palace after all - true, she's not a slave, but thanks to Ji Mong's suggestion she's still stuck in what So considers to be a very dangerous place, one that Su's' not at all equipped to deal with. As you said, Ji Mong replies that it's a misunderstanding, probably meaning that So's misunderstanding his intentions - that he was only trying to save her, not keep her there for some other [unfathomable] reason (but I don't believe him heh). Hope that answers your question!

[bebebisous33]

On 9/26/2016 at 4:55 AM, mynameiswat said:

 

I thought that that pose (the one with him looking towards the camera in the king's outfit) happened after Hae Soo die/disappear/blown away/vanished/eaten. So, who stayed behind and did his make up? Unless, that pose is before Hae Soo die/disappear/blown away/vanished/eaten.

Remember, she gave him the recipe and told him how to do it alone (episode 9).

However, when he will be fighting, he will wear his mask because he will have no time to apply the make-up. Moreover the mask can be used in order to induce fear among the troups of his enemies. He looks much more intimidating with his mask. That's why I have come to the conclusion that the scene where he says, he missed her will happen much later, when she is a simple servant working at the laundry under Yo's reign. Her hair looks so messed up there too. Her hair looks similar to this picture. Look at her clothes then. 

 

[junee22]

@Mona Ys Hi Dear!! please read your PM (from us) 

@shiraru we should really stop reading the negative comments..I'll never want to know for I know I won't have enough big heart to accept all those comments..just camp in this thread..we love to share our thoughts, learn from each other..advising one another..lift up another spirits..comfort friends in here..just forget those hateful comments..they'll never stop,they'll never try to understand..they just some ppl who didn't have any other better things to do (with nothing much in their lives) so just be strong

I signed up to naver just to show that we love the drama LOL 

[dramu51ch0c10ve]

10 minutes ago, wordsmyth0253 said:

@Adnana So basically calls Ji Mong out for engineering it so that Su's not free of the palace after all - true, she's not a slave, but thanks to Ji Mong's suggestion she's still stuck in what So considers to be a very dangerous place, one that Su's' not at all equipped to deal with. As you said, Ji Mong replies that it's a misunderstanding, probably meaning that So's misunderstanding his intentions - that he was only trying to save her, not keep her there for some other [unfathomable] reason (but I don't believe him heh). Hope that answers your question!

 

To me,when Ji Mong replied that it's a misunderstanding,I take it that it could mean 2 things.One is that Wang So misunderstand him because he did it for the sake of HaeSoo.Rather than becoming a slave,becoming a damiwon lady is much safer.The other meaning of Ji Mong's reply is that he did it for the sake of Wang So.Because he would probably know how important HaeSoo is in the development of WangSo in becoming a king.

That's what I think.What do you guys think about JiMong's intentions?

 

Edited September 26, 2016 by dramu51ch0c10ve
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[Mau_Cherry]

47 minutes ago, dramu51ch0c10ve said:

I was just thinking how SHR might end.It would be so cool that when Ha Jin wakes up from her coma/fainting after being rescued from drowning,the first person she sees when she opens her eyes is reincarnation of Wang So dressed in doctor's clothing.Then maybe they can continue their love story inthe 21st century.There is a very slim chance such a scene would happen but never mind...I can dream a happy ending rite?

 

Rescue - yes-- but sorry to say that ... he in my Eyes is not a Doctor ! And I don´t want him to see like that.

He was on a Tour with his Motorbike and just made a Break at the Sea...

 

Trouble is - even if they met in the modern Time and we will get a half happy End -my Heart will still break for the real So who was left behind in a difficult Time without the Love of his Love - the Love more importend to him than his Life....

 

[zi4r]

Hello @littleloony. I went through soompi-withdrawal mode for about 1week+, and during that time, the forum seemed to have exploded, so I'm still in catchup mode. As I was bulldozing through the pages, I kept on setting aside posts that I wanted to comment on... but being a lazybone and lurker that I am, I don't usually get around to them.  

Your very eloquent post made me finally sit my butt down and write a proper reply... so thanks for that. Sorry for cutting your post, but your post just makes me wonder...

On 9/25/2016 at 4:45 AM, littleloony said:

SHR may be thought of as that epic where there is Goryeo- a kingdom just newly created by the will of the Heavens and it requires a keeper who will consolidate and stabilize it to make it the most powerful nation of its time. For that to happen a keeper needs to be chosen- not just anyone but only the One who is the most suitable to be able to give proper shape to the nation. So begins a quest and the key to making this choice or the key to Goryeo is represented by Hae Su.

Hajin as Hae Su represents the key to the kingdom of Goryeo and it is her heart that is going to choose the keeper. She is on a quest to find that person who will irrevocably own her heart... 

 

I am a pessimist, and not a romantic. As such, MLSHR drives me nuts, because I always felt as if it is the story of Heavens playing a very cruel trick on two unsuspecting individuals... both starving (and very much deserving) of love and affection... and yet them finding said love in one another would be against the laws of nature, and thus would most probably doom to fail. I asked myself: If they were to have never met, wouldn't it have been kinder? Yes, they say, "'Tis better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all," but the pain of losing one another is the cruel fate that I'd rather spare them from.

Yet through the mythical lens you've created, it provided a whole new outlook to me. You see...

As a time-travel nut and believer of predestination, I've always believed HS's travel to the past as predestined and essential in the making of history as we know it. The pointlessness/hopelessness I have mentioned I was feeling was not for the affairs of the state, but for the sake of the hearts of our OTP. But by your narrative of HS's heart as the key to the Kingdom of Goryeo, I'm starting to see them not as pawns in the game dictated by the Heavens, but the creators of their own destiny. So thanks for helping me find some comfort in your very poetic post.

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[amisyka77]

It's kinda funny when i woke up today at 2 am..the first thing that came into my mind was how MLSHR will end.What i was imagining is soooo similar to some that i read here : modern day incarnation of WS will save her.

My take is : 

HS will be transported back to modern day as HJ and she will be rescued from drowning by reincarnation of WS. She will be in coma during her whole stint in Goryeo but finally opens her eyes to see WS 's dopperganger looking down at her. It happens that this man cannot forget HJ after he saved her because he starts having wierd dreams/visions/dejavus that somehow,somewhere this girl is someone he knew his whole life.

And I dont want him to be a cliche chaebol heir or doctor or anything like that. Make him a badboy with soft heart instead..just like WS...he could be a soldier or s car racer or an athlete...someone who breath actions and danger ...lol

However, inasmuchas thinking of happy ending of their love story...my heart still sinks because i know how much it'll break before that happens..SoSoo-yaaa..fighting!!!

[zi4r]

(Warning: This post is a melodrama piece. If you wish to keep your sanity, I suggest you skip this post. But if you dare to dip into the insanity that is my relationship with MLSHR, come along for the ride. I am not even gonna apologize for the amount of hyperbole in this post )

 

Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart -- Ryeo... The bane of my existence for almost a month now... The drama that wrecks my heart each day, and yet makes me crawl back to it and beg to be hurt over & over again.....

I think I am experiencing a truly bad case of battered-wife syndrome... one where you married a guy who beats you and then unable to leave despite the abuse. After all, I knew that this pain was inevitable since I first decided to watch this damn drama, don't I? Our OTP... the lovers we are meant to root for... are separated not just by usual hurdles of love & relationship, but by time & space. Their coming together was itself a freak of nature... a glitch in the matrix... a flaw in the logical flow of the universe. For the world to be "right" again, they would have to be apart & stay apart (I mean, if I am assessing the story purely as a cold-hearted b****). And yet, there are no two people more deserving of love & happiness & each other, than these two -- both betrayed over & over again by those they love & those that should've loved them, and yet somehow managed to retain such goodness of heart that it takes my breath away. Oh my heart, why does it have to hurt so... for a freaking drama!!!

Anyway, I need an outlet, so let me address the deepest fear of us Eclipses, if I may... 

 

Is this love doom to fail, even before it can consummate?

 

I am a fierce defender of everything So&Soo. Time & again, I have called for my fellow viewers/shippers/fans to calm the bleep down, and let the romance progress... How did I call it? -- "Logical progression". But hell, there's nothing logical about this romance, and each step of progression about gives me an aneurysm... so let me be brutally honest for just a minute here (before I get back into the "Moony romantic mode" as my husband calls it).

I feel cheated... so utterly cheated. Why, oh why, am I meant to root for a couple that will go though a ton of hardship... in exchange for a moment of love&pleasure... only to be separated again (most probably) in the end? To put it in the crude term of a pragmatist that I usually am... Why the hell am I sitting through (roughly) 3 episodes of setup, another 5 of non-OTP romance, (half an episode of brief respite,) another 2 of our OTP going through massive spat of irrationality, and then dunno-how-many episodes of politics/torture/heartache... and what, 2 episodes of lovely romance... and then BOOM! back to the doom!!! Why?!!! Why am I doing this?

But amidst the ranting, I do know why I am doing this... Episodes 8 & 9 show me exactly why I am doing this. I find the reason to root for So&Soo in what I call...

 

The Anatomy of a Touch & a Kiss

 

I am a 21st century woman through&through. Calculative, defensive, ambitious, and never losing sight of the end-goal in everything, even love. But while keeping sight of the end-goal, sometimes I lose sight of the present moment... the tiny precious little things that make my life meaningful.

(Another tidbit of personal info here, skip it if you will... 

I am estranged from my parents now -- my whole family, really. I fought my way out of reach of a loveless betrothal, a restrictive culture, overbearing parents, judgmental "friends"... just to be with the man I love, or so I thought. Yet, after 6+ years of struggle, when I finally succeeded in marrying the man I have fought for, for so long... I remember the night after the wedding ceremony... Me staring at the pile of unopened presents and suddenly turning to my husband and crying... I said: "I don't know why I did it. I don't feel any different. What does it feel like to be married? Whatever it is, I don't feel it. Why did I fight 6 long years for this?" His reply was that he doesn't feel any different either, because he doesn't need to. For him, the 6 years of struggle is part of our couplehood, and he cherished every moment of it. His goal was never to marry me, but to be by my side as long as fate allows. I hated myself at that moment, because all I could remember about the 6 years were the anger, the resentment, the tears... There was hardly a happy moment I could recall. Since then, I have been trying to reteach myself to live in the moments and to make each one of them count.)

As much as we all complain about how we haven't had many OTP moments, we have to admit... Actually, there have been many. We just feel such moments were being overshadowed by lovey-dovey moments of WW/HS. But is it true though?

WW/HS have had many starry-eyed moments... those that bring to life the very visions of our utmost romantic dreams. Tender love, walk in the snow, the perfect man, the promise to wait for each other..... Even his previous marriage didn't deter that vision in any significant fashion (which is a pleasant surprise for me). His late wife has given them her blessings. Their love is so "pure". This seems a couple meant to be...

Yet amidst that, even non-OTP-shippers have to admit... There is something off about this relationship. Either WW is a one-dimensional character (I call WW, "pasty & bland like an unsalted porridge", even though KHN is undeniably hot & talented actor) or this portrayal of him is from only HS's starry-eyed point of view. Only in the episode 9, did we see a bit of fire and a shade of darkness in him... and that shade of complexity that makes him more interesting to me, will be the exact thing that will break HS's vision of him. But I digressed...

Now, about WS/HS moments... In most of them, there's no love, no romance, no fairytale; they don't give us fluttery feelings in our hearts... and thus, for most of us, they don't count as OTP moments. Yet, what they actually share are moments filled with things/feelings/actions that truly portray our relationships with our own loved ones IRL... brutal honesty, childish bickering, carefree laughter, unadulterated understanding of each other's pain, moments of irrationality... Moments where both of them are unmasked, and unmarred by trappings of what we come to call "romance", true markings of the one thing we should treasure but usually ignore -- "companionship".

And that is highlighted beautifully by the show in its portrayal of the makeup scene (THE TOUCH) and the stolen kiss (THE KISS)...

 

The Touch

 

Spoiler

 

 

Makeup... the very thing that we use to mask our imperfections... In this show, it is used to unmask one's pain and unleash one's full potential... The epitome of "baring one's soul"...

The soft intimacy and the depth of purity in this scene is unmatched, and took my breath away. The stillness, the gentleness and the simplicity of the actions are in stark contrast to what this momentous scene actually signifies. There is no lust (or even love) in HS's touch. There is only understanding & acceptance... pain for his pain, support for his weakness, solution to his dilemma, understanding of his flaws, appreciation of his strength. Even for WS, the "love" part is questionable... I'd imagine he is mistaking the overwhelming gratitude he feels as love. For him, the most important part is: giving up control of his body and (as the scar is such a source of pain to him,) his soul to her; being vulnerable in her presence, for her to do as she will.

Yes, it is intimate enough scene to satisfy us as "OTP moment". But no, it's not a scene of romance. There's no skinship, no kiss, not even a hint of "want" on either side (well, until the very end, when WS makes an advance on her).

 

 

The Kiss

Spoiler

 

 

This scene is highly debated. It's outrageous and risky, and for some viewers, utterly inexcusable (WS for forcing it on her; HS for her irrational behavior). Whether it signifies love, romance, lust, or even rape, is up to your interpretation. But no one can deny that this is no symbol of peaceful and beautiful love that we want our OTP to end up in.

But it involves a kiss... the very symbol of "I love you" in our modern world. "Sealed with a Kiss" -- Isn't that how we consummate our promise of love & comfort? And yet, in this show, it is being used as the way to highlight their differences, the irrationality, the raw pain...

 

 

The journey vs The consummation

I have come to the realization that in this story, I have to treasure every touch, every breath, every moment they spend together. Because the journey is what counts, whereas the consummation will likely leave us raw, unsatisfied and possibly heartbroken.

All of us keep worrying about when (and how long and whether) our OTP would "end up" together. Our preoccupation with the end-goal is making us overlook what they have already shared.

Each of them is already the making of the other. HS has given WS the courage to literally show his face, and rise to the greatness he is destined to be. WS has removed HS's rose-tinted glasses and showed her the world as it is... cruel, and yet full of things to love. They have given each other the reason to fight against all odds.

Where this will end... we do not know. In the world where even marriage (or sex) is not a true symbol of love, but only a political device and a means of making heirs, what fate do we wish for our couple? We'd say happiness, but how do we define "happiness" anyway? (Is it their happiness or ours that we are after?)

As for me, I hope for peace. I hope that wherever they may end up, they'd find peace... and happiness in the fact that they had met at all... against all odds, against all laws of nature, against all logic.

 

And with that hope, I heartily look forward to Episode 10. Kill me again, oh drama, just go for it.

Edited September 26, 2016 by zi4r
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[AyaA]

1 hour ago, dramu51ch0c10ve said:

I was just thinking how SHR might end.It would be so cool that when Ha Jin wakes up from her coma/fainting after being rescued from drowning,the first person she sees when she opens her eyes is reincarnation of Wang So dressed in doctor's clothing.Then maybe they can continue their love story inthe 21st century.There is a very slim chance such a scene would happen but never mind...I can dream a happy ending rite?

I was wondering the same too. if WS have a reincarnation in the future, then, the princes will have too, maybe they will involve in HJ live too?. will the story go that far?

[MrKobegiant]

8 hours ago, redfrommars said:

IU pulling LJK's wig

just our OTP sailing behind the scenes xD 

THANK GOD ITS MOONDAY!!!!

 

I have been an IU fan since she was 17. I can roughly tell you what that action means. Don't forget, he's a sunbaenim 11 years older. They know each other very well for her to dare to do that. She's very happy to see him after a long while and wants a bit of his attention while his paws are all over Baek Hyun

[dramu51ch0c10ve]

10 minutes ago, AyaA said:

I was wondering the same too. if WS have a reincarnation in the future, then, the princes will have too, maybe they will involve in HJ live too?. will the story go that far?

That'd be interesting Would actually like to see the other princes in 21st centuy form.