[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[brielover]

@littleloony  @bebebisous33 @briseis  @valsava  and everyone else

You guys are the bomb!  Since I posted the Yuhwa/Hae Su/Ha Jin myth speculation, I haven't really come onto the board much but I've been reading such good anaysis here and there.  Most recently littleloony's analysis of how Hae Su chooses So, and then the above comment about Hae Soo and reality from bebebisous33 as well as various from briseis.

I like how the Wang Wook situation plays out in the initial water scenes as well.  All the potential princes to inherit after Mu (Mu in fact has his own water daughter legend attached to him in history - an extremely interesting legend wherein his own mother was found by Taejo in the water - shades of Lady Oh, the test case cut short - Su's forerunner) were present in the baths except So.  Wook actually becomes her choice from that first "emergence" - river daughter found in the water - scenario, but shortly thereafter she meets So, and we get a second "emergence" this time to So alone.  This foreshadowing is very interesting, not only contrasting the two romances, but also Su's loyalties to her first loves - the princes in toto, with Wook primary - and then her second love - So alone.  For Su, this will likely be the central conflict both in heart and history in the remaining episodes.  Divided loyalties between care for the princes, and love for So.

A comment a character made to Ji Mong near the start of the series has stuck with me: "You always put your predictions in two pots".  It is as if two histories, or two futures, might be possible, and I think these two "water" emergences highlight the two.  Su could choose Wook, who I do believe she loves and he loves her, and I don't think he is particularly greedy or shallow or whatever failings we might ascribe to him.  I think his only "flaw" is in fact that he is not ruthless like So.  As a human being, he's better than So for the most part, but he would be unable to play the part that real Wang So in history plays and enact the tyrant to stabilize the fledgeling nation.  Goryeo needs So, therefore Su needs So.  One and the same.  Goryeo needs a ruthless ruler at this stage in history; Su is going to need a ruthless lover who will fight for her at all costs.  One and the same.

I've read a lot of analysis on the scar and the bracelet that is excellent.  One thing I haven't seen (though might have missed it because I have by no means read all these thousands of comments) is the correlation between the scar as history/brutal truth and the bracelet as fantasy/comfortable myth.  While Su has had her tribulations in Goryeo, much of the narrative up to this point has been shaded by the mythological - river daughter heroine beloved by princes, wolf-dog prince, tragic forbidden love, heaven's mandate in the rain, etc.  I suggest that this is the jade bracelet.  Underneath is the scar, the true history of Goryeo that is about to unfold - greed, murder, incest, jealousy, betrayal, ambition for the throne.  When Su identifies Wang So without any room for doubt as Gwangjong, we mark a real transition from the fantastical beginnings of empires that are often mythologically based to the true, real, raw, gritty reality of history.  I suspect that from hereon out, we'll be seeing much more of the scars - the reality - of Goryeo than the fantasy world of the jade bracelet.

Time for Su to wake up to the reality of Goryeo which she has just seen in glimpses. @bebebisous33 is so right about her rose-coloured glasses.  Su can't stay the same, she has to change.  She's served her purpose in a mythological sense, now we get to see what she does in a historical sense as she attempts to influence So.  What we'll get I suspect is the same history she knows but an inside interpretation of it that neither she nor the people of the future know.

This turned into an essay, but thanks to you all for greasing the gears in my head!

[ayasdai]

First time posting in this thread. I love everyone's insight, theories, explanations, the gifts and the FMVs.

We are almost halfway through the drama, but in my opinion Wang So has already became an icon in the Korean dramaland. And it's rare. He is unique, fresh and not ordinary. Hats off for LJK. Might be a character is unique on their own, but if an actor/actress can't deliver him/her plausibly it is wasted and becomes plain.

There are so many good dramas out there and maybe the followings sound harsh and even though I enjoy them and love them, somehow the characters/storylines are forgettable. We can watch them again and again, yet it does not leave a deep scar on our heart. If years later MLSHR will come to our mind for any reason, we will still have a sharp memory, something that left us breathless and in tears, something that had a huge impact on us. I only have few characters/dramas like MLSHR on my list.

Being honest I have never been so hurt and in pain for a character before like for Wang So. During the end scene of Ep 9 I did cry for him and it left me depressed for the rest of the day. I almost couldn't handle it. It might sounds ridiculous, this is a drama, but connecting to a character like this, as a viewer, I have never experienced before, never felt a such sharp pain as though I was personally him.  (I have to note here that I am not surprised why HS reacted that way and it is understandable, she is freaked out of her mind and frightened... but your heart still reaches out for the most vulnerable, the one you want to be happy more than anyone else)

The other heart wrenching moment for me in Ep 9 was when Soo pushed So away in the rain and he says as though calming her down: "It's me".  And it contains everything:  It's me, you don't have to be afraid, don't worry, you know me, you are safe, you won't get hurt, because IT'S ME.

And we the viewers know that Soo is already afraid and worried. So doesn't know that Soo can't calm down because of him, because IT'S HIM. The contrast, even if it's painful, is brilliant in this scene.

(and now time to count how many times I used the word 'pain' above )

Maybe I am a bit late with these thoughts as I know it's time for ep 10 soon, but I still had to pour my heart out

[liddi]

2 hours ago, briseis said:

If you think about the fact that So’s main reason and objective to win the throne is to be with Hae Soo and protect her, and the fact that SHE HAS ALREADY BECOME THE CENTER OF HIS UNIVERSE, you have to wonder how he managed to live 20 years without her. The answer is in the vision of him at the end of episode 8, just before the camera zooms in on his face -  standing alone on the platform HE LOOKS UTTERLY ALONE, COMPLETELY DESOLATE - in the close-up he looks ruthless but if you look at his face in the long shot there is a devastating sadness and loneliness: BECAUSE HE IS ALREADY LIVING IN A WORLD WITHOUT HAE SOO, IN A WORLD WHERE DEATH TOOK HER AWAY FROM HIM. 

So why does So continue to live? Why does he do all the things mentioned above? What is his reason to live? IT’S BECAUSE HE LIVES TO BUILD AND CREATE THE WOLRD IN WHICH HS/GHJ WILL BE BORN ONE DAY. In the novel/cdrama, RX told the 4th Prince she came from the future and in the end he believed her. I think the same will happen in Moon Lovers - Wang So will believe her BECAUSE HE WILL NEED TO BELIEVE THAT SOMEWHERE, EVEN IF IN DIFFERENT SPACE AND TIME, HIS HAE SOO, THE ONLY WOMAN HE HAS EVER LOVED, IS STILL ALIVE.

@briseis Beautifully, achingly described... made even more poignant by the fact that he survived her so much longer, with a reign that spanned 26 years - thank you. Just as 4th Prince hoped that Ruoxi, upon her death, managed to return to her own era... so while he lost her physically with her death, he drew bleak consolation from the fact that she still lives on in her own time.

[UnniSarah]

On 9/24/2016 at 6:53 AM, SukBin said:

I feel Haesoo is receiving too much flak which she does not deserve in my opinion.

Till now all her actions are consistent to our regular KDrama Heroine, if we make a checklist of basic traits of KDrama heroine

1)Selfless - Check

2)Feisty - Check

3)High Self Esteem - Check

4)Thinks she can handle everything on her own - Check

5)Thinks she is responsible for everyone she cares about - Check

6)Blames herself for not stopping every single hardship that the people she care about face - Check

7)Actively tries to stop anything bad from happening to her loved ones irrespective of what happens to her - Check

8)Never thinks that her own good intentions might backfire on her and create a bigger mess - Check

So you can see Hae Soo is no different from regular KDrama Heroine.... so I am surprised why she is being singled out... for being exactly what she is supposed to be by the writer

 

LMAO... Chingu You are so right. You listed all Hae Soo's action to a tee. It is a typical check list for Korean Drama's

[itzibitzispider]

hahahahahaha

@mewtwo

[brielover]

4 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:

LMAO... Chingu You are so right. You listed all Hae Soo's action to a tee. It is a typical check list for Korean Drama's

Very true - but I would say much more in line with modern Korean dramas.  Now transplant her to a sageuk, that's where the originality comes in.

[Misstwilightfan1416]

Does anyone know how well this drama is in Japan?

[Mau_Cherry]

It´s MOONDAY!!!! (at my place)

 

[jerboa83]

1 hour ago, jerboa83 said:

WOW! I've visited the Baekje Cultural Land when I was in Korea! At that time, I went to Buyeo 'cause I wanted to reach the mountain where some important scenes of "Faith" had been filmed (the wormhole's location and the "love tree" location) and to visit that area... The Baekje Park is not far from Buyeo city (I took a taxi to get there). I climbed two mountains that day, visited many monuments and temples, went to the Cultural Land, walked around the city, met many nice people (I was alone and there was no foreigner to be seen), and then went back to Seoul... I was dead-tired when I came back home but SO happy!

I also reached the top of the cliff where the 4th Prince and HS had a meal together... There you can admire the landscape from the top of the "Cliff of the falling flowers", the Nakhwaam (낙화암), the cliff the royal court women of Baekje jumped off to kill themselves in order to preserve their honor and not to be enslaved when the Sabiseong Fortress was invaded by the Shilla-Tang Alliance. A poet saw them from afar (or imagined them?) falling from up there while wearing their most beautiful and colorful dresses, and renamed those rocks that way. 

 

@briseis I'm really, REALLY excited to read that in the novel the protagonist confessed to the 4th Prince that she came from the future, and he ended up believing her... I hope that they'll include that in the Korean drama, too. If there's a person who can handle such a truth, it's Wang So: he has the most modern, open-minded and disenchanted vision of the world among his peers, brothers and everybody else (except the astronomer, for obvious reasons). I would LOVE to see his reaction!

[deabakdrama]

Good morning, chingus...it is the day, I like Monday...
 

[MadraRua]

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Cr: Me

[feignedreality]

Yas! It's Moonday Monday. I'm so excited and I just can't hide it, haha. See you all later during the live stream. 

P.S. I feel like a highschooler looking forward to seeing her crush in school.

[glacial]

Ive never wanted a main character to get his happiness as much as I want wang so to! he deserves to be happy with hae soo! and despite what he went through and how his parents and siblings treated him, I think he would be such a great husband to hae soo and an amazing dad to their kids! LET IT HAPPEN! but i guess it won't lol i should've written the drama instead! haha

[briseis]

Source: osen, naver

[deabakdrama]

8 hours ago, syeramy said:

While I am re-watching, these scenes made me wonder what actually WS think when he heard HS about to get married?

 

BA told WS that HS was about to get married. WS seems so calm.

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BA asked if WS should oppose the marriage as well.

 

WS agreed that HS should get married and they shouldn't involve in Hae's household.

 

 

 

Then WJ words that made him triggered. He was seen bothered by the fact that HS will get married to an 'old man' who in 60' and has a lot  son. If HS was about to marry a single young man, will WS join the opposition in the beginning? 

 

 

 

Hahaha, just swap the plot now, then we ll know WS reaction..... I think WS will be the first one to kidnap her and run away without informing others 

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[jerboa83]

This youtuber used a version of "Can You Hear My Heart" with Lee Hi's voice only (no rap) that I really like, but I can't seem to find it anywhere else... It is an official release or not? 
 

 

[deabakdrama]

7 hours ago, violet90 said:

i think both ending will be sad in a way...

1. HS actually died in that era and never return.. this one is totally WS turn to suffer.. imagine how much he love HS right now and if she actually gone the suffering that WS have to deal in everyday living in that palace who he alone again without HS.. and to live like that until he die every single day thinking about that ONE person.. and last but not least he even want to love HS after he die...

2. HS will die but wake up in 2016... both of them will suffer cause WS have to live a long time with his heart suffering and HS will wake up and have the same process... the suffering of two lover from different time the only thing tied them is their love and their cruel fate.. i remember in Inuyasha when Kagome go back and don't return the old granny said 'maybe her duties here is complete so she being return back to where she belong'.. its the same with HS what if her destiny is to make WS a king and that's all not more or less...

i against the theory of HS meeting the new WS in 2016... hear me out WS in 2016 not the one who fall in love with HS , threaten to kill HS , always the one who behind her , bickering with her , drinking poison for her and last but not least not the person who she fell in love.. WS in 2016 have a clean slate and to make HS remember it all but not WS is just too cruel.. i prefer our OTP ending wrap up nicely even if its a sad ending.. let just give justice to their EPIC love story shall we???

May be  the one who save her from drowning is WS in 2016....hehehehe ... 

[MoOnLoVeRz]

sleepingtide

Is he asleep? 

[rei_smasher11]

OMO! Im so left behind in this thread! I need to read 130 pages for ne to be able to catch up! 

I'm not ablr to join the livestream this week as my work starts the same as SHR's timeslot but I will visit this thread in my break time.

Just saw the latest stills and it seems that this week's episode will be heartbreaking! 

[UnniSarah]

43 minutes ago, deabakdrama said:

May be  the one who save her from drowning is WS in 2016....hehehehe ... 

Ofcourse @deabakdrama ... I believe that is how it will end in this drama. I believe she will tell him, she is from the future so that he can rescue her when she almost drown. That would be DAEBAK!!