[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[jerboa83 9,499]

1 hour ago, solelylurking said:

 

I think the pic that @bebebisous33 sent me via post can be an aid here. It shows Yo was kneeling, like getting arrested, while CP and the other princes is standing. So ther is a possibility they found out about Yo and mom from WS abd arrest them for treason. 

Are you sure Wook will apart of the jail break group? I think if he is to involve it will in the later part. If BA and WS wants some assistant(s) it will be more reasonable to ask Jung and Eun. But we can put Wook indeed because maybe WS still think Wook cares for HS because she was his family. But the problem is there is BA and that guy know about Wook and HS feelings for each other. Sure he doesn't know their current relationship but won't it be possible if he blurted it out to WS? A little too early? 

Well I just put Wook in the middle then. But the heart wrenching scream though... I still believe it has something to do with HS disappearance not about their marriage proposal status. Because in the long trailer he clearly looking like he's searching and can't find her. 

Where do you think BA will be taking HS to? BA is the most handsome guy in Goryeo and many people must have known him. It will be difficult for him to move far except in disguise but it will be hard to because it can rise a suspicion. The palace and whole nation must be in high alert like you say. Who else among the prince that has a wide connection with outside world? Eun's family and his wife family is powerful too. Maybe they have something to do with it? 

Oh thisnis exciting.

All this might somehow bring the other princess (I can't remember her name... The one practicing the double swords dancing) into the picture...

[sharreb 40,259]

Eek I press the wrong button and all those I quote and add in my agreements and comments were lost. Just roughly rewriting it again

@bebebisous33 thank-you on ur post about the post makeup scene and WS gaze on HS. It makes me go back to rewatch that part closer. The first tym I watch I'm also feeling it but I love that ur post hit it home even harder. Really the impact and the significance was WS starring at her, never mind that it is the first tym in his life that he can look at the mirror and not hate the image or first time to be without the mask unafraid what people thought of his scar. His eyes didn't even blink, he wouldn't let her off his field of sight 

And @amyska77 me three. In fact I'm still holding up hope -perhaps too optimistic WS won't marry YH, not in his lifetime, not in the next, never, never pls.

And @andy78 in the novel it's actually one of the brother (forgot which one, the 3rd or 9th who was not close to Ruoxi who let the 4th find out abt her relationship with the 8th before banishing her) again I hope the K ver takes a diff route.

And @Bambiina thank-you  for your rousing post, and agree totally. This drama isn't typical and even if there's light hearted moments it's never meant to be a light hearted romance. From what we've seen so far and trailers also,  it's gonna be heartfelt soul wrenching and perhaps tragic love story. It's gonna give the feels of Romeo Juliet ish. And actually because of its pace, the antihero setting, of HS first having another guy in her heart, it actually ups the expectation for me regarding WS and HS's love story. I love theirs is a relationship that develops from interaction, communication, and experiencing things together. It makes that love more real and tangible to me. It's not that I don't believe in love at first sight or those that fall fast but I don't need it in this drama. I don't mind fluffy romance either or those with alot of cheese but again I can get that from another drama. We can't fit MoonLovers in a particular mold cause it's meant to be different and it's also inspired by the novel.

I thk of their love as red wine, that it takes time to go into fruition and when ripe its full aroma and sweetness will come forth but it needs time. I also thk with HS major pulback from WS last epiosde it provides the essence for high drama ,so that then it takes sth major like WS putting his own life on the line to open HS's eyes and heart. So while last episode was sad, we will also be rewarded with our patience for sth good soon. 

Also we know it's preproduced and the ending is set. We can only pray that the script and the decisions make were not as tragic as the novel. While I have readied my heart and remind myself that life and their love is the journey, not the ending, I would still prefer it to be on a happier note, perhaps a miracle by the next eclipse.. 

[Lady_Lara 1,757]

Just rewatched the trailer and noticed this scene:

What do you guys think? It's definitely from future episodes but Wang So is again in mask!!!

[Lady_Lara 1,757]

I got a problem-don't know how to attach a picture in my post:(( help me please!

[40somethingahjumma 46,516]

3 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

I would like to comment about Hae Soo and Wang So's relationship. Striking was that Hae Soo started getting close to him, despite his bad reputation, his scar, his mask and his violent and rude behaviour.

All this explains why Wang So would be so hurt by her words, as she was the one who told him that he was a good person, although he would threaten to kill people all the time. Now, from my point of view, she has finally discerned the real personality of Wang So:

- the one who wants to be loved, the one who is kind, generous and warm-hearted

- the one who can kill without remorse, can be really violent

So far, noone except Hae Soo has ever understood Wang So's true character. They called him an animal because of his appareance and his rude behaviour, without knowing how really dangerous he can be. 

@40somethingahjumma

It's an interesting analysis and it assumes that what Su is seeing in the premonitions are accurate representations of what will actually/necessarily take place. We know from recorded Korean history that Gwangjong killed primarily to safeguard his position and consolidate his power. He didn't kill all his brothers just the one who plotted against him. And it wasn't #10 either.

At this stage I would still question the reliability and purpose of the premonitions. Were they given from on high to show Su what will happen or what could happen if the trajectory that he's been on doesn't take a turn? To me that's my biggest problem with them. We don't know what it is they are showing. Could it be an alternate history of Goryeo that could come to pass if she doesn't involve herself in his grab for power? Is it prophetic or is it meant to be a catalyst to create some kind of domino effect.

My other thought regarding the premonitions is that they could be projections of her own fear based on her limited and faulty understanding of South Korean history. Ji Mong is rather a mysterious and suspicious mover and shaker. I don't entirely trust what he says about himself. There's no proof except from his own lips that he is just some reincarnated mystic. He could be a time traveller that has the job of fixing history. But really we don't know that he is for certain.

My basic assumption is a little different. Although I don't disagree that So is dangerous in his own fashion, I don't believe he is any more dangerous than anybody else playing the game of throne-grabbing. Yes, he is very handy with the sword when he wants to be but it's not as if he's been brandishing it furiously since the temple burning episode. Ruthless as it was, his killing had a purpose. This is where I think Su is naive. And dangerous. Her thinking thus far seems to be that violence is okay if your survival is on the line but violence is not okay if you kill your own family members. But what if there are people in your family is trying to kill you? How would she deal with that cognitive dissonance? Part of her illusion is fostered by the fact that she's so well-liked in the palace and that she's able to enjoy liberties most other women in her position could never do so. She's secretly romancing one prince and is being courted by another. Her supervisor likes her. Even the king likes her. So she's completely cocooned in this notion that the palace is just another work place (quaint as it is) with strict rules and generally nice or rude people. She's completely oblivious of the power struggles that are going on behind the scenes especially with regard to the royal family. She doesn't even have the right categories to talk about what really goes on in the palace. 

It dawns on her at the rain offering event that Wang So will end up being Gwangjong who in her memory was a really bad king because he killed or had killed a lot of people in his court. Call it a vision or a premonition, she sees something which disturbs her calm. She can't reconcile how the man she knows and is developing strong feelings for can turn into some kind of royal butcher but she doesn't ask why. It should already raise red flags in her mind that perhaps there might gaps in her knowledge. Instead she runs off and assumes that she needs to change him. And then does a backflip when she sees the vision of Eun and his wife. I don't want to diminish the terror that she might have felt but why assume the vision is an accurate picture of what will happen? Is it because of what Ji Mong said?

Su has been living in an illusory space within the larger palace space. There are things she understands... her place and protocols but there are things she's been sheltered from because of her friendship with the princes. This is why I've been very critical about her so-called romance with Uk because it consistently feeds into that illusion that she can live and have her 21st century ideas in a 10th century world. Yes, it's very cute and lovely but the empty promises, the indefinite waiting does not help her deal with what's brewing underneath the luxurious trappings and beautiful people who live in it. No doubt she will soon experience a rude shock when she comes face to face with the vicious side of the palace.

Su is undoubtedly an unerring optimist. She believes in and wants to see the best part of others. It has served her well to some degree but she needs to start developing new categories of understanding what the battlefield of palace politics is all about if she wants to survive in it. For me it's like a reversal of Northanger Abbey. In Northanger Abbey, we have a girl who reads too many gothic novels and lets her imagination run wild to think the very worst. In ML we have a girl who hasn't read enough to deal with the horrors that are to come. 

I continue to hold on to the belief that she is already in love with So so the way I interpret her panic attack is somewhat different from most people which may overlap with your analysis. I've been rewatching Ep. 9 and I found the conversation between Court Lady O and Su about Prince Wang So quite fascinating. There's an assumption that underpins that conversation -- Court Lady O can see that there's an attraction between Su and So. She prefaces the conversation by warning Su and then advises her that if she can't give herself entirely to him, she should be decisive about it. Su doesn't really protest or object to that assumption. All she does is talk about whether she can change him which is interesting in and of itself. I think the horror she's been experiencing is the conflict of emotions she's feeling regarding So, his capacity for violence and her undeniable attraction to him. There's a part of her that thinks she can change him, another part that's both attracted to and repulsed by his dark side.

What I want to say after rambling on a bit is that Su is not exactly a reliable witness or seen to be one. I don't think her premonitions provide factual, reliable information. She can't really be objective about the palace or the people because her frame of reference is skewed. She can't reliably attest to So's nature because she's gotten very close to him and she can't say for certain that she's in love with Uk because she's beginning to feel uneasy about that relationship. She's too emotionally invested in these people to provide a proper perspective of what these visions really mean, much less their accuracy about the future.

Just my 2 cents for whatever it's worth.

[junee22 3,693]

@dhia205   IKR!! I'm searching for it too now..somehow it sounds like..okay..off to search now

SG Wannabe?????????

[hitomebore08 1,437]

 

18 minutes ago, jerboa83 said:

All this might somehow bring the other princess (I can't remember her name... The one practicing the double swords dancing) into the picture...

that's WooHe

[KdramaAddict 14,568]

5 minutes ago, junee22 said:

@dhia205   IKR!! I'm searching for it too now..somehow it sounds like..okay..off to search now

SG Wannabe?????????

and if you get the song do let me know unni..

 

[meahri_1 37,682]

5 hours ago, qwenli said:

@inner @frostbite

No where in my post did I say that alternative opinions are not tolerated here. Nobody has the right to say so anyway.

I guess perhaps for people who dun back read, the impact is different but when I back read and I see some repeated comments, it can accumulate to a point where I just have to say something.

I understand the people here are from different age, gender and cultural bacbackgrounds and so may have different perspectives.  

Anyway, in future I will just ignore posts that I disagree with to keep the peace here.

 

 

@enigmatic_zephy We have so many posts on this thread now that you probably missed seeing @qwenli 's post above.

For those of us who have parked here since months before the drama has aired, we’ve repeatedly stated that all POVs are welcome and that constructive criticism and the freedom to ship as desired is also encouraged. In keeping with Soompi rules and guidelines, only outright bashing of a character, cast member or the drama is prohibited.

The pace of the thread is so very quick now that sometimes numerous posts on one particular topic, such as the editing, can inadvertently turn into one long rant session and the overall mood of the community and the tone of the posts can get hung up, subsequently impacting the balance of the varying views that are being expressed.  So, in our efforts to maintain the overall health of the thread or to avoid misunderstandings within the community, you’ll find some of our longtime resident posters like @qwenli and Soompi moderators like @LyraYoo and @bebebisous33 trying to reboot, if you will, by providing guidance, or by momentarily changing or suggesting another topic to maintain the equilibrium and freedom we all enjoy here.

By the way, @qwenli is one of our few recappers during live streaming, so her participation in our thread is much appreciated and very much needed.  It’s very easy to take things out of context when communicating in this medium, so misunderstandings like this are not uncommon. Thankfully we’ve had very few.

So thus ends my MLSHR public service announcement for today. Let's continue on with all things MLSHR. 

[Guest]

Posting late as it's been a busy week haven't had a chance to read everyone's thoughts but I'm sure they are amazing as usual.  My thoughts on episode 9 were mostly focused on WS not his future but about the here and now.  Wondering what it would be like for him to feel that freedom without his mask.  Like a prisoner or bird being set free from a cage.  Forced to live behind a mask that stands out no matter where you go.  Not being accepted for who you are inside but for what they see on the outside.  Their fears cannot only be seen but felt as well and somewhere along the way WS decided to live up to their fears and creates the wolf.  Who allows him to release his anger but doesn't allow him to be himself...

As I watched him standing in the rain during the ritual standing with his arms open wide moving in circle to give thanks.  What feelings within were being released it's a moment I would have loved to have heard his own thoughts.  Just as in later hearing the King speaking to him not as a King but as his Father saying to him " Your Father Trusts You " but even more WS before that calling him FATHER...

Later when WS & HS are standing his hand in the rain and his smile larger than life basting in the glory of the day so full of happiness and wonder just like a child experiencing something for the first time.  His spirits flying so high soaring above the sky you could see it and you could feel it.  Yet HS's heart was somewhere much deeper and darker and her only thoughts were not in the moment but of others what an amazing character and thoughts " I Can Do It.  I Wont Ignore It.  I Won't Let Anyone Get Hurt. "  Even before that as if giving him instructions for living that were really silent pleas from the heart.  Her hoping he might remember her spoken words, that they might somehow linger into the future...

A pillow for WW"s head and a promise kept to a cousin.  HS proves she never forgets and can always be counted on.  This moment was different than the other brief moments for me.  Gifts exchanged, memories shared, an embrace even the words I love you yet why is it instead of a loving moment it felt like good-bye to me.  Felt like a sweet encounter between first loves who meant something to each other like a season in life but gave you the feeling it would all to soon be just a memory...

How quickly a beautiful moment in WS's life can be destroyed not by a stranger but from his own mother the Queen of EVIL just when I think I have seen her worst she proves me wrong.  What's even harder to believe is after all WS has been put through by her and seeing him bracing himself up later alone.  I felt so broken for him all the confidence & joy was fleeting for she didn't cut his face this time.  She cut much deeper than that, his heart.  He was nothing to her yet inside that little boy all grown up now still hurting, maybe hoping she would have had at least some small act of kindness. There would be none and no change and not even a word of kindness would be found...

My last thoughts are a forced kiss might not be as beautiful as a loving one that is given and taken freely but when looking at all that has happened.  One can understand because of WS's past  HS is someone he has waited a lifetime for longed for and gives him something no one has ever given him before. She is his friend, his family, whom he can trust, who treats him like no other for she is his everything.  HS is that warm safe place that allows him to be free.  He may not be graceful and soft or gentle but his heart is full of only her. It's more than wanting or needing it's about desperation and surviving...

Once you have experienced it your heart can't go back...

[MoOnLoVeRz 48,670]

closetcinephile

just a moment

[Diana Blanche 8,461]

15 minutes ago, Lady_Lara said:

I got a problem-don't know how to attach a picture in my post:(( help me please!

Right click on the pictures. Copy image address or URL address and then past it on your post.

[deabakdrama 4,770]

@bebebisous33 Thank you for giving us such an impressive explanation ...., your analysis about WS and HS make sense to me....

[enigmatic_zephy 15,121]

7 minutes ago, meahri_1 said:

 

@enigmatic_zephy We have so many posts on this thread now that you probably missed seeing @qwenli 's post above.

For those of us who have parked here since months before the drama has aired, we’ve repeatedly stated that all POVs are welcome and that constructive criticism and the freedom to ship as desired is also encouraged. In keeping with Soompi rules and guidelines, only outright bashing of a character, cast member or the drama is prohibited.

 

The pace of the thread is so very quick now that sometimes numerous posts on one particular topic, such as the editing, can inadvertently turn into one long rant session and the overall mood of the community and the tone of the posts can get hung up, subsequently impacting the balance of the varying views that are being expressed.  So, in our efforts to maintain the overall health of the thread or to avoid misunderstandings within the community, you’ll find some of our longtime resident posters like @qwenli and Soompi moderators like @LyraYoo and @bebebisous33 trying to reboot, if you will, by providing guidance, or by momentarily changing or suggesting another topic to maintain the equilibrium and freedom we all enjoy here.

 

By the way, @qwenli is one of our few recappers during live streaming, so her participation in our thread is much appreciated and very much needed.  It’s very easy to take things out of context when communicating in this medium, so misunderstandings like this are not uncommon. Thankfully we’ve had very few.

 

So thus ends my MLSHR public service announcement for today. Let's continue on with all things MLSHR. 

 

Cool enough..

 

Even if they are negative comments.. maybe someone is frustrated enough watching something and needs a place to rant it..

Why put the label of constructive criticism.. let people be..

When you find likeminded comment..just go along with that.. negative comments can find their own group and crib abt it..

 

All of us invariably become hypocrites by suggesting things likes these.. just let it be..

[MoOnLoVeRz 48,670]

jilldragomir

let her be everything, because she is everything [insp]

[enigmatic_zephy 15,121]

BTW, can LJK speak english? - basic communication level?

[sharreb 40,259]

3 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

While people avoided him like pest and never dared to look into his eyes, Hae Soo did the exact opposite. In the episode 1, Hae Soo looked at him and she was like paralysed. She had already caught his eyes therefore he decided to rescue her, when she was about to fall. She was falling because someone had pushed her while the man was running away from Wang So. She on the other hand was just standing there.

Then when he was covered in blood and screaming, destroying these stone piles, she could have run away, like others would have done or like his mother ordered him to leave her alone because he was stinking. Nonetheless Hae Soo ran to him and stopped. She did the opposite of Queen Yoo. First, she even asked if he was injured, while Yoo had told him that she would never ask for this. As conclusion, while Wang Soo looked like an animal, had his face covered with his mask and people avoided him, Hae Soo consoled him, gave him advices, kept him company aso. She saw the good person behind the mask and his "rude" behaviour.

Then in the episode 9, his mask is gone, his scar is gone... people starts being enthousiastic and welcoming him. He is treated like a normal person, not like someone who should be avoided and bring bad luck. He is even welcome by his father, his mother invites him over for dinner (with other intentions). He is now good-looking and his reputation has changed. He brought rain so that people consider it as a sign from the gods. He is treated differently now. But now, we witness a reversal of situation. While people have come to accept him due to his appearances and behaviour, Hae Soo is now doing the opposite again. She is afraid of him. She is now seeing the bad person in him.

Striking is that Hae Soo has not changed. I know, some people said that she had changed and were disappointed. Yet, I don't think, there is some inconstency here. Hae Soo is acting like before. She keeps seeing things beyond the appearances everytime. While people attach too much importance to the exterior, especially in Wang So's case, she sees the personality. In my opinion, she sees the real him now, the one who not only threatens to kill people but who does it without feeling remorse. Sure, he is not the king who ruled with a fist of iron yet, however he did kill all these men at the temple without feeling guilty. He did it for his mother... yet this showed how determined he can be and he has no problem to decide who lives or not. Hae Soo knows nothing about the killing of so many people... she only knows that he killed to survive. Yet she was wrong here. He killed because he wanted to be loved and recognised by his mother. He never did it in self-defense. The bottom of the line is that Hae Soo is finally able to see the real Wang So: the ruthless man he is. Sure, she had experienced his violence, but she recognised at some point, he would only threaten her so that she came to think, he only threatens people but he never does it. 

So far, noone except Hae Soo has ever understood Wang So's true character. They called him an animal because of his appareance and his rude behaviour, without knowing how really dangerous he can be.

3 hours ago, KdramaSwimmer said:

I must say SHR has become one show to make me a complete loner... i am watching episodes and then whole week waiting for next episodes on this thread reading comments, searching internet for any new video-BTS-interview or anything to help me surviving the wait. And yes to add google to know more about Goryeo history what exactly happened then to find out more about the characters and their actions. During all this while I just forget completely how to behave in outside world (i am on my cell on this thread when i m out of home and at home on my laptop). So my real life has hit very badly with the addiction of this show.

After reading all the comments here i found one (sorry forget the name) mentioning how unique this love story is Female Lead in love with Second lead only to fall in love with Male Lead, eventually. That makes this show stand out among rest even more cause its not the ones where we are so used to seeing male - female lead in love from the start (or by epi3-4) but denying the feelings, that becomes one pretty straight forward line to predict. Here its different, complicated, complex, heart wrenching yet entertaining, enchanting, enthralling at the same time.

The procrastination in OTPs love story makes their union even more precious for us, cause we have spent 10-12 episodes with both of these going through all sorts of ups and downs, troubles, pain, denial,tragedies only to figure out other one is THE ONE for them (WS already realized, let HS realize it too). And I was sad seeing (just the last scene here on this thread) a broken, disappointed and hurt WS reacting over HSs hurtful words but after seeing epi9 I am more involved in their love story and waiting patiently till HS will reciprocate the feelings that WS showing her.

I just cant imagine how warm - satisfactory that union would be ? how much happy WS will be after having his life with him by his side ? How HS will express her love for WS? What all he and she can do to prove their love is not the regular one (we have seen so far in other dramas) but the most appealing, warm, heart felt to make us fall for them even more by each passing second they will be together in each other's arms and hearts?

Lastly...the tragedy will be again on its way to part them (if it follows cver)..and i dont want to talk aboout it cause i'll cry buckets just by thinking what all can happen..so hope we will have a somewhat happy ending if not one perfect happy one....

 

Wow @bebebisous33 thank-you for pointing it out. I din realise until you pointed out. She really keep doing the opposite of evyone else. How true that every time she reacts is about the person she sees underneath. Nothing to do with appearance, face, scar or position. Thank-you for aanother amazing assessment.

And @KdramaSwimmer aww I can relate to you. Right now ML is the only drama I care to watch live. At the moment I couldn't immerse myself to really watch another drama. For those dramas that I have some interest I ended up only reading recaps and save them to watch later. I'm also watching reality shows that have LJG or IU. Cause seeing their faces reminds me of ML. Like you because theirs is a love that slow in forming or has formed but fakes time to deepen or realized, it makes it sweeter when it comes 

Someone else I forgot who mentioned about not understanding K audiences and ratings. Again although I still chk out their ratings I've long ago given up. But I take consolation that it is so well loved and received by international audience and also younger audience in Korea (the ML SHR clips were widely watched on Naver}. This thread alone for only 9episodes have generated over 12000posts (about 1300per epi). At this rate by the finale we would hit 26000posts. In Dramabeans, evy single week ML episde recap generated the most comments. It's really most talk about, commented, deliberated upon by those who watch. People like us aft watching each episode spend time combing thru this thread share our comments, ideas, assessments, ML philosophy. Some research more on original novel, Goryeo history, pick up clues from trailers. Some spend it on fanart, gifs, fmvs. So ML has really made an impact and it's far from being a flop. Most important I'm really enjoying it. We haven't reach half way point but the plot is thickening and we're heading to major WS-HS relationship moments, til then our fingers will be furiously typing away here..

[MoOnLoVeRz 48,670]

kdramagif

 

“Don’t push me away. Don’t tell me to leave. Don’t tell me that I bring misfortune and that I’m an animal. At my very least, you cannot do that to me.”

[Lady_Lara 1,757]

But if I want to attach a picture from my cell phone not from the internet? What I should do?

[minmar 4,909]

I don't know if it has been mentioned before, I just found these articles from the 19th and 20th but this thread is moving so fast I could easily have missed it!

 SK does recognize Moon Lovers as a hit.

   " So, it is clear that the SBS drama and the KBS drama are both neck to neck when it comes to garnering great ratings and acceptance by the audience. "

You can read the articles here to learn how the industry has recognized that despite low TV ratings.

http://www.movienewsguide.com/scarlet-heart-ryeo-moonlight-drawn-clouds-neck-neck-popularity-war/282673

http://www.hngn.com/articles/206731/20160919/scarlet-heart-ryeo-compete-with-moonlight-drawn-by-clouds.htm