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We already on episode 9 but Hae Soo still hasnt shown any interest for Wang So despite he already said two time, she is his. I am curious after seeing the preview that Hae Soo run away and Wookie console her and even promising her to make her out from the palace already boiling me. So this is what people assumed the big accident that makes Wookie and Hae Soo break up. But i could see wrong from both party:sweatingbullets: 

 

@sukbin i know she has her own reason to be fear like that but i am kinda annoyed to see her reaction like that. While i dont know what happened in Chinese version when Ruoxi knew who's gonna be the emperor :sweatingbullets:

12 minutes ago, chi13lou said:

She already knows that WS killed people for a reason and not for fun. Perhaps, if she really was a true friend to him, she could calm down and consider why WS would end up killing people in the future. She is after all partly to blame for using her makeup skills to make WS rise and shine.

 

If she is his true friend and yet she already told him that she believed him no matter what but with one premonition she act like wang so would kill all the people that treated him like pieace of garbage

 

 

 

and i agreed with you to say that Wang So when he gets his happiness suddenly he will lose it. It's boiling me inside to see him like that

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I guess some of us are also "reacting" like this ...because last night we were all swooning for that scene wherein she was so gentle with him, helping him, concealing his scar.

Then this....Gwangjong situation pops up !  wow!

Sometimes it gets frustrating right....

When WS was having a cold war with her, ignoring her--- she keeps seeking him out --- giving him advice, words of encouragement.

Now She is the one avoiding him, frightened of him --- and now he is the one pursuing her.

What's next ? it's WS' turn again to get frustrated (if ever he finds out about the relationship with WW) --- And then it will be her turn to appease him, ran after him....

What is that?  a freaking MERRY-GO-ROUND of  who is pursuing who?  :blink:
Rollercoaster of emotions....anyone??

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I didn't mean for HS to be the heroine...who will save the day for Goryeo.   For indeed nobody can ever change history.
But someone from the 21st Century....she should keep an open mind....be observant because she's one step ahead of anyone in Goryeo from what she knows from the future.   If she is strongwilled, she can use that to her advantage, if she is weak then she will end up losing again.
She has to understand that "brutality" is part of their history.   I mean there are no police yet then, they have not established laws yet, that killing is a crime, that one has to go to prison for that.  

That is the way of survival in that era, kill or be killed.  Looking at the bigger picture ....what options were there for people back then...when they all thought that is the norm.

 

 

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I really wonder why so many People see the historical King as an evil King.

I hope I will not offend the History Pros here now - because I have a hard time to find anything out. But what I found out sounds very good to me.

In fact - I´m so used to the Picture of a Puppet King from a lot of Dramas. How often did I buried my head in my Hands just like... what is he doing... So much Power was always in the Hands of the powerful Families. And the King risk trouble if he went against them. The King in ML found the Way to manage them with Marriage... but the evil Queen said one thing - I thought - thats true. Will the King later split the country in 25 Parts? That kind of solution is temporary and creates a bigger problem for the following generation.

What I found out and read about the So from the History was that he freed the Slaves, gave much more control to normal People with the civil exams and he broke the might of the so called powerful Families. Yes he killed - but he killed with a reason - as I see it.

And for that - our So from the Drama fits so well. He killed to - to protect. And he don´t want other to control his Life... He don´t like the way his Father cleared political trouble - we know his way would be to fight the traitors and show the others the King will not be that easy to handle. But his Father again feared the conseqences. So is not like that.

Some here seems to think the sentences So will kill his Brothers means that he will kill them all.

Of course not... the So in the History did not do that... and our So will never to that - only if they betray him - or he must to protect what is more importend to him.

He would never kill Baek Ah  and I can´t see this Brother will turn his Back on him later. I hope and feel like So and Baek Ah will stay together until the end.

 

I don´t really like that Soo freaks out like she did in the Preview.

I understand that she is shocked when she finds out that her action creates the History. She can´t change History - because it was all in the PAst in her Time - but she will create it. Time Travel is a tricky thing. :D

The intense Stare in the red coloured Scene... So as the King..  if So would just look like that to his Mother we all would love it.

But with the hint that So will become an evil King... we fear it. (me not).

Soo should alread know So better... I really really really need her to fall for So fast now. But it will have an impact on Wook that she told him that So can´t become King.

I count the Hours again here... and watching it will be very difficult today... I only have one Hour at home... and in that Hour it is on AIr... I will still try to watch it! I need to!

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FINALLY SO IS ABLE TO TAKE OFF HIS MASK!! I was snickering the entire time seeing Yo and his mother's reaction to So without his mask, I was like OH YEAH TAKE THAT YOU @@#$%%!!!! B)

And that part when Soo got a vision of "evil" So, brrrr, he looked real evil with more eyeliners and the whole king attire.. It's kinda understandable as to why she gets real shock, prolly cause she never ever expects So to be King one day seeing how he was being treated, so when she gets the vision, she would be shock of course. Plus she sees how he's starting to get along with his other brothers, so knowing that he will kill them in future is too shocking. 

The makeup scene was one of my fave though, it shows the special bonding between Soo and So. It's obvious that this makes So fell even deeper in love with Soo as he sees how caring she is to him. :heart:

Though my ultimate ship is with Soo/So, but I still like the part at the shower house with Wook and Soo, it's kinda cute, their secret relationship~ :wub:

At the end of the preview did So meant that he wants to marry Soo or something? When he said "Please give me Hae Soo from Damiwon".. Or does it mean that he wants her to serve him??? Soo will probably disagree or something right, since her heart right now is with Wook, this two seemed to be very in love currently.. Could this be the start of Wook and So's fight for Soo's heart??? Oh boy.. :crazy:

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1 minute ago, berny said:

I guess some of us are also "reacting" like this ...because last night we were all swooning for that scene wherein she was so gentle with him, helping him, concealing his scar.

Then this....Gwangjong situation pops up !  wow!

Sometimes it gets frustrating right....

When WS was having a cold war with her, ignoring her--- she keeps seeking him out --- giving him advice, words of encouragement.

Now She is the one avoiding him, frightened of him --- and now he is the one pursuing her.

What's next ? it's WS' turn again to get frustrated (if ever he finds out about the relationship with WW) --- And then it will be her turn to appease him, ran after him....

What is that?  a freaking MERRY-GO-ROUND of  who is pursuing who?  :blink:
Rollercoaster of emotions....anyone??

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I didn't mean for HS to be the heroine...who will save the day for Goryeo.   For indeed nobody can ever change history.
But someone from the 21st Century....she should keep an open mind....be observant because she's one step ahead of anyone in Goryeo from what she knows from the future.   If she is strongwilled, she can use that to her advantage, if she is weak then she will end up losing again.
She has to understand that "brutality" is part of their history.   I mean there are no police yet then, they have not established laws yet, that killing is a crime, that one has to go to prison for that.  

That is the way of survival in that era, kill or be killed.  Looking at the bigger picture ....what options were there for people back then...when they all thought that is the norm.

 

 

I get what you are trying to say... but then her reality is that she does not adhere to those fundamentals..nor does the society in which she has lived , born and brought up..

Is it easy to not be feared and think this through rationally within  a second of realizing that he is what he is?

 

I will quote my example again..

You meet hitler just a year or two before he becomes 'the hitler' .. he loves you, you love him.. what are you going to do? Actually he tells you he loves you.. and immediately you realize he is the man behind all those concentration camps :)

How would you respond?Would it be matter of days before you chalk out your plan?

 

Or take osama bin laden for e.g.

Or take ISIS leader for e.g.

 

Any of those guys have their own convoluted reasons for doing what they think is right.. and give them a tragic past as WS..would you accept such men knowing their reality?

 

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If today a guy comes to you and propose but you know he is a terrorist.. would you accept?

 

Its an open question.. by you i don't mean specifically you.. but think over it

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7 minutes ago, ruzikie said:

 

We already on episode 9 but Hae Soo still hasnt shown any interest for Wang So despite he already said two time, she is his.

 

 

Well if the drama follows the original story, HS falls in love with So after she and Wook breaks up.. So I don't think it'd be that fast yet.. Soon I guess? :) 

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15 minutes ago, Mau_Cherry said:

 

I really wonder why so many People see the historical King as an evil King.

I hope I will not offend the History Pros here now - because I have a hard time to find anything out. But what I found out sounds very good to me.

 

 

It is because of how HS is reacting towards WS in the upcoming episode ... she seems deadset into thinking that he is some Evil person.  Why would the scriptwriting lay it out that way ?

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my guess why HS is having a premonition and not a revelation is that 1) she already had a dream of actual king dying and 2) she first sees WS a king and as a cruel one , and only after she thinks this he is THAT KING she feared; and is almost like a question, not like an affirmation; it doesnt look to me like she pull all cues toghether and get a conclusion, but more like she saw fisrt and only after she realised who she saw ; and what she saw is too opposite to what she experience to be the result of an insight or revelation; she is happy and in that moment she sees the king WS will become; 

she is not terrified by WS;  she is terrified by Guangjong - she always was ... anytimes she remembered Guangjong  she was unconfortable; (she maybe wrong and he didnt kill his brothers, but this is for the moment how she remembers him, as bloody, cruel, criminal;) she has to discover that the man she trust, her friend, the one she helped is also the one she was afraid ...  is not an easy task and I dont expect her to fall for him next episode; but I think this make their love a greater one - that also she knows he will become the man she fears she cannot stop herself for loving him now - cause she will fall in love with prince WS and not king   Guangjong ... and probably she will always love prince WS and never will he be for her king  Guangjong ... 

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Maybe her premonition is the opposite. It a warning that WS is in danger. Not WS danger to others.

Why she always have premonition about WS not the other princes? 

WS is smart & kind. He did like others to bully the weakness. So WS will not kill anyone without danger his loves ones.

He kill the people at temple coz to protect his mother from his father people.

Soo need to gather all her premonition and the history facts before she went panic.

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9 minutes ago, liddi said:

From the international version, it would appear that rather than just compassion for his plight, Soo's core motivation for helping So with the concealer stemmed from hoping that it will rain and thus enable her to leave the palace. The SBS version, on the other hand, is edited to indicate that Soo's actions were purely the result of her compassion for him. Which then makes me wonder how much more the two versions would diverge going forward. If this keeps up, I think I will need to hold a rain ritual of my own to pray that somewhere in the near future both versions finally converge into the same once more... :sweatingbullets:

That completely changes the perspective..

One from genuine concern being acknowledged by WS.. to a selfish reason being misunderstood by WS..

Like when she said she is not alone near the lake and when WS asked who? she said him.. but i think what she meant was Wook..

 

WS doesn't know that people hide feelings.. as in he is not expecting that..

 

Right now 13th prince is mostly in wrong..because i don't know what is he thinking not telling any of the 3 involved abt the core issue. He should tell HS.. because telling princes may not help. Over and above trying to play cupid.

 

HS unconsciously is setting up WS for a major heartbreak.. i get it she loves Wook and he will always come first for her. so his safety Vs WS's problems.. his safety wins. However, WS is crazy.. so should be a little more wary of how she behaves with him (anyhow too late.. the other ship is in the sea as well)

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Frankly HS has done nothing for WS which is out of ordinary.. its his rotten luck that no one even behaved like a fellow human with him.. so the first person that comes along.. he falls for her

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10 minutes ago, liddi said:

 

From the international version, it would appear that rather than just compassion for his plight, Soo's core motivation for helping So with the concealer stemmed from hoping that it will rain and thus enable her to leave the palace. The SBS version, on the other hand, is edited to indicate that Soo's actions were purely the result of her compassion for him. Which then makes me wonder how much more the two versions would diverge going forward. If this keeps up, I think I will need to hold a rain ritual of my own to pray that somewhere in the near future both versions finally converge into the same once more... :sweatingbullets:


I think this show is making me a bit schizo. 2 versions that give slightly different vibes. If the 2 versions can combine - perhaps we would get 25 episodes! 

Anyway, I hope that there is a good reason for Hae Soo's reaction in the preview. Her reaction is too drastic. Think most of us feel hurt for So - he is not asking for the sky - just someone to love and whom loves him back in return. The script writer is not making sense at the moment. What would make Hae Soo flip the switch for her feelings from Wookie to So? 

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I've seen the vid where Hae Soo blurted out to Wook to avoid WS at all cost because he can kill all of them. So here's my take. You can add or disapprove, it's fine by me. 

I think rather than it was the turning point of HS to break up with Wook because he can't keep his promise, it was the turning for Wook to seek and take the power in order to save HS from WS. You can see the change in his eyes at the end. You can also hear that his voice is as shaken as HS. It's understandable. His lover, the one he loves the most, shaken in fear and tears. It's enough to make any guy to want to take action. That will make the race for the throne starts secretly. 

What interesting is.. HS didn't say that WS has an attraction to her to Wook. The words that he spoke to her is as good as a gobaek/love declaration. I mean 'I'm yours and you're mine' can not be misinterpreted. Too scared about the premonition to tell? Afraid that your man will get the wrong idea? That can be the reasons. But It's still interesting that she kept that for herself (at least at that scene). She's avoiding WS now, but good luck at doing that for long. You've been marked as his, girl! And he's not one who give up just because you say no or if you say that his brother is your lover. I think WS stop caring about anything else the moment he give up on sulking. He knows deep down inside HS feels the same, that his feeling is not one sided by the way HS act around him, her care and help. 

The up side of this scene is Wook will start moving. The down side is there goes a year of friendship down the drain. I can understand Soo behaviour because of the premonition and what everybody told her about So. Yes, that's enough to make anybody avoid him. But I thought she knew him better than that. I thought she didn't have judgemental mentality. So, I get missignal about HS character for now.

But if this scare thing continue I just going to roll my eyes to her. If her heart turns to WS because he drink poisson in her stead, she must have known that to WS her life value more than his. He always going to save her in any stake, be it his life or others. She knows him well, so in my opinion she knows he can kill if she's in danger and that's the only way to save her. If she can put up with that she might as well leave. It only will make WS more suffer, to see and be side by side with a sad face all the time. Maybe later her characteristic will change too, just like Wook and So. 

But looking at Wook hugging Soo in open like that, no wonder HS will be the pawn to keep Wook in check. He's getting reckless. I wonder what will happen if it is Wook against WS, because Wook too knows he can use HS to keep WS in check. We don't know what Wook capable and incapable of. But.. We all know WS can't burn and use HS to get rid of his enemies like his tree friend. Or can he? Hmm.. Interesting. 

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29 minutes ago, enigmatic_zephy said:

I will quote my example again..

You meet hitler just a year or two before he becomes 'the hitler' .. he loves you, you love him.. what are you going to do? Actually he tells you he loves you.. and immediately you realize he is the man behind all those concentration camps :)

How would you respond?Would it be matter of days before you chalk out your plan?

Or take osama bin laden for e.g.

Or take ISIS leader for e.g.

Any of those guys have their own convoluted reasons for doing what they think is right.. and give them a tragic past as WS..would you accept such men knowing their reality?

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If today a guy comes to you and propose but you know he is a terrorist.. would you accept?

Its an open question.. by you i don't mean specifically you.. but think over it

 

If it is me....i mean i'm speaking for myself (because right now I don't know how HS thinks anymore)...
If it is me....if the guy pursuing me, or i  happen to have feelings for too...but if what he does is against my moral values, definitely i will totally cut ties with him, no questions asked...it would hurt me at first...but i will do it.  There is no point in continuing with him.

Now if HS cannot take who WS is ... she can try to talk to him , in all honesty ...that she cannot accept him... if he is indeed a crazy person he might hate her, harm her, but if he is going to be above the situation, he can accept it...should take it as a man.

What I am saying is it is okey if she cannot accept him...his feelings for her...but she could do it in much calmer, humane way.   Since somehow she knows him too right? he's not a total stranger anymore.
 

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Happy to see the bond between Baek-ah and So growing stronger. BA is an artist and doesn't see beauty only in the superficial manner. He draws the daily lives of commoners and although he told Jung it was upon orders from the king to do so (at least I recall him saying that in one of the first few episodes, when he saw Jung fighting), you could see he enjoys drawing and there was never disdain in his eyes towards commoners and the way he gave snacks to the kids before painting the refugees, shows he is not one who cares about appearance and "class differences". Instead, he has a heart for people and he has already built rapport with So along the way. Thus when BA looked away during the unmasking, he did it before the mask was taken off and I felt it was because he couldn't bear to see So humiliated and not because he had issues with So's scar.

I felt sad for BA when So looked at BA looking away and jumped to the conclusion that BA had issues with his scars, like the rest of them. I felt BA was wronged without even realizing it. Thus when he went looking for So, and So asked him why he looked away, I was glad he was given the chance to explain himself and So was also given the chance to realize and voice out his own contradictory thoughts (upset when someone looks at him and when someone does not look at him).

There are 8 princes in all, but these two are the only ones who really have authentic conversations (which are shown to us at least) with each other. No other brothers do that. Even if Mu and So are somewhat brotherly, it's not an equal footing brotherhood (since So treats himself like a subject to Crown Prince in front of Mu). Eun and Jung may be close but only as playmates. Yo, Wook and Won...let's not go there since it's pretty obvious.

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58 minutes ago, shinaabby said:

My unreasonable rant:

Someone mentioned it (sorry I cant find you & im getting tired) but I also feel like Hae Soo kinda "overreacted" as well in the preview... I admit Im not really getting into her shoes, and I understand that having a revelation like that is terrifying — considering that she might've felt a bit responsible for triggering So to become king. However, she shouldn't be THAT scared of him because she should know him more by now. They spent time together and expressed themselves freely with each other before. How could she possibly become enemies with him and be killed by So? Idk. I feel a tad bit... disappointed in her?

 

If i see this drama as a new drama with some creative fiction story and some diff thing from history.

I can understand why haesoo so scared about wang so after she realized wang so is gwangjong. 

Because Haesoo know that Wang so did not have a good relationship with his brothers . And she know that he ever killing ppl even though she think that because he had to do it to safe his own life. She did not know the real reason is.

And because in history that she know gwangjong is a cruel king who can killing ppl easily . Its a normal react that haesoo will think that he can do that even to his brother. Because she know wang so had a bad relationship with his brothers. 

Yap wang so want to revenged to his mom. To become important person even a king of goryeo in palace . 

We can wait...

Until she realized that, she can change him more humanity than before. That her who can make him a better person and a great king. 

diff from a history about gwangjong that she knows. The history that we know now.. 

 

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8 minutes ago, liddi said:

@junee22 The SBS version subs although already resync'ed, are still currently incomplete for now. However, @ruizaio has kindly agreed to translate the missing scenes when she can... so I am truly grateful for her help and excitedly anticipating them.

Just as a basis of comparison between the SBS and international versions, here are some differences I noted:

Additional scenes in SBS version:
1. So confronting Queen Yo after her harassment of Soo

2. King Taejo's silent prayer before almost collapsing under the heat

3. Soo's mumblings while experimenting with the concealer preparations

4. Pre-makeup session, when Soo speaks of the man within being the most important to her. She also speaks of being betrayed a lot in her life but will enable him to trust her by not changing.

5. Post-makeup session with So laying claim to Soo etc... etc... ;) 

 

Additional scenes in International version:
1. General Park questions Soon Deok's choice of 10th Prince, citing 14th Prince who is skilled at martial arts, and 13th Prince who is intelligent as better choices.

2. When Court Lady Oh was grooming King Taejo, Queen Yo explains her presence as being since Taejo does not call for her, nor visit her, she being the one who misses the other more would have to make the first move and approach him.

3. When Eun expressed fear at the potential fate of the master of the rain ritual, Wook speaks of their birthright as princes to do their best, as their smallest actions may have great impact. Won elaborated that no one is allowed to drink once the ritual begins.

4. Taejo launches an impassioned prayer for rain prior to selecting the master of the rain ritual.

5. Yo realises just how similar So's thinking is to Queen Yo's when she spoke of how it is not heaven that determines people's actions, but people's will which surpasses heaven's.

6. When contemplating So's words about why she was born, Soo speaks of helping him with the rain ritual this once, hoping that her good deed might cause rain to fall, so that she will have the chance to leave the palace (ref. when Wook spoke about asking the king to release her from her court service if it rained).

 

From the international version, it would appear that rather than just compassion for his plight, Soo's core motivation for helping So with the concealer stemmed from hoping that it will rain and thus enable her to leave the palace. The SBS version, on the other hand, is edited to indicate that Soo's actions were purely the result of her compassion for him. Which then makes me wonder how much more the two versions would diverge going forward. If this keeps up, I think I will need to hold a rain ritual of my own to pray that somewhere in the near future both versions finally converge into the same once more... :sweatingbullets:

 

tumblr_maa09deae41qjkdh8.gif  No need to be alone dear, count me in. Let's pray together!

Thanks for listing those additional scenes for both version.

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18 minutes ago, berny said:

 

It is because of how HS is reacting towards WS in the upcoming episode ... she seems deadset into thinking that he is some Evil person.  Why would the scriptwriting lay it out that way ?

 

First of all - she was shocked - she never had So in her Picture to become the King she fears... and it must be scary to be around all the Princes and knowing he will kill some of them...

So even I understand her - I don´t understand her too - because she knows So already - and she was there when he told her he killed People. She knows he only do that with a Reason.

But is it So she fears - or is it the fear that she created him to become like that.

I don´t like it that she acts like she did in the long Preview... but her first moment beeing shocked - I can understand that.

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This time I like JM  - he was less manipulative, also he might knew that WS is not a man to have a negative response to things like this :" I cannot forced you. I understand. I do. Your will takes you only this far ". But he looked sincere. Like he understood what a dificil decision WS has to make, He probably knows that WS will be a king, but he let him make his on decision by himself ... I am looking to see him more often and find out more about him 

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