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8 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

Bring it on, I say! 

But to be fair, there's been no real need for it yet. Now of course that they're both in love with the same girl, everything will change. :D I am raring for it to happen. I am especially looking forward to So throwing Uk's words back at him... "Nothing here belongs to you." because quite honestly, Uk is in an even less powerful position than what he was when he threw those words at So. 

I just love it when male bravado gets cut down and shredded into pieces. :P;)

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I know I've been critical of Uk in the last few posts that I've made here partly because I think there needs to be some kind of balance in how we perceive these characters. He's not perfect and there's nothing wrong with that in the larger context of the show but I think there needs to be some kind of corrective to the common interweb perception that he can do no wrong just because he appears to be the epitome of the romantic hero. There are flaws to his character just as there are flaws to So. The reality is that So is so obviously dark with tendencies towards primal savagery that it's easy to overlook the inconsistencies in Uk's character because he seems to be his polar opposite. Obviously they are very different and have been raised very differently with varying results. Despite being sons of a king, they are as much prisoners of the system as anyone else. The conventional belief is that the king holds ultimate power so that's the pinnacle of achievement for a son of a king to aspire to. Once the king goes, there will be a power vacuum and because he has done such a terrible job of being a father and a husband, the throne of Goryeo will be fair game for the most determined. The irony in all these political marriages is while alliances can be made with powerful clans to keep the peace, the reality is that it becomes the mechanism through which these clans try to gain a foothold on the throne potentially making governance virtually impossible. 

The drama also demonstrates, I believe, that 21st century notions of love and romance sit uneasily in said system. It's highly intrusive and brings with it destabilizing notions such as "freedom" and "independence" which have their foundations in the belief in the equality of all human beings to choose who they'd like to be and who they want to be with. However, when there's no ability to do so, power grabs become the order of the day... so the most powerful guy gets to do what he wants... which is not entirely the case as we've seen.

I also disagree quite strongly that we shouldn't compare the two male leads. In fact I believe that the show leads us to do so as the juxtaposition is written into the script and very clearly shown in all their interactions with Su.

I also tend to take the position (an occupational hazard) that it's not very interesting if we all agree on everything all of the time. I appreciate the diversity of views presented here and often I find that even views I don't agree with can stimulate me to think more clearly about the positions I hold. What we all have in common is that we love this drama and celebrate it on this thread.

For me it's become a rather unhealthy obsession... ;) 

 

About Wook, it's ok. Even me as his fans sometimes have the tendency to snap his neck. Hahaha. I'm not waiting for the nice Wook anyway. I'm waiting for that wolf to come out from his sheep clothes. Wether the production team will give to me and when is still tentative. It's not gonna happen until So take away HS and I hear he cried 'Soo yaaaa!' so painfully. So I'm pretty much on the wait here. 

And you are right about everybody is pretty much a prisoner in its own term. No one gets to do nothing that he/she wants freely. But It's what makes the race to be king exciting isn't it? Just like the game of throne. Jon Snow Goryeo version anyone?

 

5 hours ago, ilovekorearocks said:

Good morning everyone! Just droppin' by to say Hi! And have a happy Friday! Counting the days till its Moonday!

 

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If this is true, that WW will see the situation and ask WS to let go of HS, this is the 2nd time that he asked him to let HS go. Wasn't there a part on the trailer that WS said for HS to brace herself as the next time he will not let go? :blush: OMG I'm so excited for the tension. :heart:

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I enjoyed reading everyone insights on the latest episode and past episode. I'm excited to read more. Keep 'em coming!

Moon Lovers! Hwaiting!

 

I'm excited too.

The first time, WS let go out of respect to Wook because Wook gave him a place to stay. Beside Wook gripped his hand very tight. This second time, I'm not sure it will go away without a little tension. WS is not someone who gives a f*** (pardon my lang) about pretty much anything. He was ready to defy King's order so Hae Soo can escape marriage. I doubt he care WookSoo relationship more when the time comes. Maybe next week he will back down but we know it doesn't last forever. He's not someone who will make a way for you just because you are shouting at him. 

It will a nice scene to see. 

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@bebebisous33 Agree with you. WS left the palace for so many years, should say at very young age. He has no one take care of him, no one teach him how to react as a prince,  except the general teaches him martial, so that he could survive. But WS is smart in the sense that he alerts with surrounding environment, that why he told HS that the palace is a place hard to get in and get out. Everyone lives here is alone and take care of their own business.  He could understand pretty well the law of living in palace within short period of his staying, just because of his attitudes and characters.....calm and thoughtful.

What lacking is he does not know how to manage the feeling of true love. His mother never devoted love to him, and causes him desperate a caring from his mother. When someone like HS takes care of him, especially in episode 3, HS noticed only his hand was bleeding, and worrying about him. WS surprised with her caring even he told her that the blood happened because of killing. 

And, when true love comes, he does not how to react. That s could drive him crazy when HS looked at him without blinking her eyes, she seems like she accepts his scar whereby he himself could not accept the scar that makes his life miserable. 

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1 hour ago, magdale said:

 

Is Wang So. In episode 8 preview he is wearing white clothes so now I'm thinking that this scene maybe is going to happen on Monday. I'm crossing my fingers for that  waiting onion head

 

isnt he doing some thing like praying for rain? i believe someone mention that the royal family are all dressed in white in order to pray for rain. 

however there were two things in the preview for ep 8. one where he was wearing white and stones were being thrown at him. and the second was when he was confronting Yo about who sits on the throne?

 

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@deabakdrama I agree too! I also thought with the mask scene at the end of episode 7, he's just come to terms with the fact that he has feelings for Soo. So when he walks into the room and Eun asks for a gift and Soo smiles and says that he will keep his word, Wang So puffs up. For someone who's been treated like an animal all of his life, he wants to look good in front of Soo. So when Eun asks him take off his mask, his pride won't let him run away. It's heartbreaking when his siblings look away in horror and disgust, but I think what cuts So up the most is the fact that Soo is looking straight at him with those wide innocent eyes full of pity and sympathy. It's her way of showing care, just like she shows care to all of the other princes. But he can't stand that pity, that sympathy. He can be called names, appear pathetic in front of his siblings, his parents because he doesn't care what they think of him. But he wants Soo to think well of him, so when he's reduced to a pathetic sight in front of her and he sees her pity, it makes him angry. There's this great line in Tolstoy that says, "She saw in him pity for herself but not love." I think there's some of that going on here too. He doesn't like her feeling sorry for him. He doesn't want to be pitied by the only person he cares about. At least, that was my take on the last scene, and why he hates that look in her eyes like crazy.

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9 minutes ago, kaoriharang said:

isnt he doing some thing like praying for rain? i believe someone mention that the royal family are all dressed in white in order to pray for rain. 

however there were two things in the preview for ep 8. one where he was wearing white and stones were being thrown at him. and the second was when he was confronting Yo about who sits on the throne?

 

 

I am doubtful about the situation. Which screen comes first? Did WS manage to sit on the throne but is not accepted by people, that s why people were throwing stone at him. ? But why WS said that he is there to claim his rights?

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21 hours ago, bingewatcherinsomniac said:

@UnniSarah yeah, wook and so is a polar opposite to each other in character that it's no surprise there are stark differences in their reaction to everything. 

But I adores both of them. :wub:These two actor are so good in their portrayal of character, it always hit me right in the feels whenever they start being emotive on screen. Even their subtle expression is so spot on. I don't know who I should choose if I were soo (she's a lucky girl~) 

But I think we should understand wook better, it's not like he didn't consider soo and save her right away.. It just he needs to come up with better solution as to not hurt other people in the process. It just the way he is, a careful, considerate, responsible guy. For example:

1. In chaeryung case, when wook overhear that soo will step up taking the blame, he can't just stop yeonhwa instantly. We should understand his position, although he's the head of family all household duty is yeonhwa territory (because his wife is sick), he can't overstep certain boundary. He follow the rules.  First he needs to know the reason first and if he think it's not right then he amends thing after. If he stops yeonhwa without thinking or consider her territory, he will openly ridicule his sister in front of other sibling and maids. That is not something he would do. 

2. When wook try to ask his mother the Queen about haesoo marriage, he can't just blurt out his frustration like jung did, he must consider his mother honor in front of evil Queen too. You can see how much burden he have to hide in that situation,I start pitying him.. No wonder he falls hard for soo,she's the first girl that didn't put high expectations towards him. She genuinely appreciate his kindness but understand that a person can be tired as well. She demands nothing from him but appreciate him. 

Although wook grows up with family (unlike so) he also faced certain hardship that since young age he carry huge responsibilities to protect his family at all cost. I believe he's a genuinely good guy at first, but people start taking his kindness for granted and set high expectations towards him that he lost his sincerity along the way. The guy is tired, please let him breath for once please... :tears:

That is why is unfortunate that in international version they cut the yeonhwa-wook conversation scene. It highlighted wook burden and immense responsibility within his family, with or without his own consent, as he thinks that his beloved mother and dongsaeng "selflessly" dedicated their life for him.  When me across the screen screaming "no girl. You're so selfish! Stop putting tons of brick of burden to your oppa's shoulder! Let him breath!  Heol~" :sweatingbullets:

@bingewatcherinsomniac  Everything you said is true about  Wook. Yes, I agree Wook is always put in a difficult situation and it does make sense but there are still ways that he could have protected both his sister's honor and Hae Soo.  He walked on scene and just stood there when he could have asked what is going on??  What did The maid do?  After his sister told him what happened and question Hae Soo and the maid and then allow her to discipline as she fit.  Wook also know his sister has a mean streak and likes to punish the maid  harshly because she thinks they are beneath her. He also knows his sister did not like his wife and her cousin . Since Hae Soo chose to take the punishment and saw his sister take the  baton he should have done something because Yeonhwa is very emotional. I think his choice of protecting his family is good because that shows he is honorable but honesty is best in a relationship with someone you love. That way you both can share your worries. I can tell Yeonhwa and Wang Wook are very close.  

@solelylurking  I enjoyed reading both of your post  chingu and it has somewhat changed my perspective toward Hae Soo and Wang Wook love.  I have turned a new leaf by just watching how Hae Soo's love for Wang Wook  develope and falter as the drama progress. Even though I wasn't swayed by her love for WW I could not deny it.   I also agree with you that Yeonhwa is in fact in love with Wang So. Even though she could not look at him when WS removed he mask it was out of  shock and  because of how she was taught that BEAUTY IS THE WAY OF THE WORLD. 

@KdramaSwimmer  I agree with perspective of what was important in this episode. This episode made me realize that  Tae Jo doesn't hate his WS. I am so glad that he loves all his children but he can't just show it because of that evil richard simmons (Queen Yoo) he married. He sent his most trusted warrior to train his on in the art of War. Tae Jo planned well because General Park trusted his son and WS also respect him just the king has the same respect of the General.  The General is out spoken to both the present King and the future King.  So glad both you and @solelylurking have come to same conclusion.  Yeonhwa is in love with WS but she will never betray her brother because she loves him to and they both have suffered and can't forget the pain they had suffered in the past. It is because of her she couldn't wait to get rid of her once her SIL died because she saw how Hae Soo affected Wang So. Even WW seen how she has affected his scarred brother. Even WW knows his sisters feelings for WS. He can deny she wants WS for power but her knows it's because  of her feelings are genuine. 

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6 minutes ago, deabakdrama said:

 

I am doubtful about the situation. Which screen comes first? Did WS manage to sit on the throne but is not accepted by people, that s why people were throwing stone at him. ? But why WS said that he is there to claim his rights?

 

 

may it is claim his right as a prince? after all yo and his mother dont see him worthy of the throne much less his princeship? 

I am unclear, but you know with previews they jumble scenes up, so i am unsure what comes after what? we will just have to wait and see... :blush:

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All this talk about rain in the preview:


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 A thought that I had is the gif where we see So pulling Soo into a hug is also in the rain this could potentially mean that this scene will occur very soon. "You'll become king if it rains." I think Baek Ah says this line I'm not 100% sure. I think this might be the catalyst of So joining in on the battle for the throne and the reason why So is seen stopping Yo and saying "I came for my seat."

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Maybe rain is symbolic of big changes which are about to take place. In the preview there is some ritual going on and everyone is wearing white so maybe someone died. Yo also looks awfully happy if someone did die. I really think that the battle for the throne is going to go into full swing in the next episodes and everything is going to get more intense. Just some wondering thoughts I had so wanted to share :) 

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Seohyun's Instagram update

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i guess Seohyun will perform a dance in the royal party like Minmin in BBJX C-ver :wub:  Let's hope that Haesoo will have a dance like Ruoxi  :wub:

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Another Korean historical trivia: 

Hae was the family name of the founder of Goguryeo, which somehow became interchangeable with Go later on. Thus, some Korean fans speculate that Go Ha Jin is a descendant of Hae Soo's relatives. 

 

Of the princes, most of them are using the names from history, except for Wang Eun (10th in MLSHR). We don't have very many records of him, so his name was invented for this drama. Historically, he is one of the first victims of the game of thrones that ensues after Wang Geon's death. While the records say his maternal grandfather committed treason, I think it was a false charge fabricated by Yo (and possibly So, too) to justify them taking the throne. 

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In the early synopsis, his character has a very tragic, twisted death. I hope they changed it because it's such a heartbreaking story.

 

The historical Choi Ji Mong was given this name of "dream knowing" because he interpreted Wang Geon's dream to mean that he'd be the one to unite the Korean peninsula. 

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2 hours ago, magdale said:

 

Is Wang So. In episode 8 preview he is wearing white clothes so now I'm thinking that this scene maybe is going to happen on Monday. I'm crossing my fingers for that  waiting onion head

It looks like WANG SO. I am positive it's his sexy self LOL LOL LOL  admire2 onion headadmire2 onion head  I can't wait to see him hug her  happy onion headhappy onion head  I will cheering him on  HWAITING!!!!!  hell yes onion headcheer3 onion headcheer1 onion head  :heart::heart::heart:

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1 hour ago, UnniSarah said:

@bingewatcherinsomniac  Everything you said is true about  Wook. Yes, I agree Wook is always put in a difficult situation and it does make sense but there are still ways that he could have protected both his sister's honor and Hae Soo.  He walked on scene and just stood there when he could have asked what is going on??  What did The maid do?  After his sister told him what happened and question Hae Soo and the maid and then allow her to discipline as she fit.  Wook also know his sister has a mean streak and likes to punish the maid  harshly because she thinks they are beneath her. He also knows his sister did not like his wife and her cousin . Since Hae Soo chose to take the punishment and saw his sister take the  baton he should have done something because Yeonhwa is very emotional. I think his choice of protecting his family is good because that shows he isn't  honorable but honesty is best in a relationship with someone you love. That way you both can share your worries. I can tell Yeonhwa and Wang Wook are very close.  

@solelylurking  I enjoyed reading both of your post  chingu and it has somewhat changed my perspective toward Hae Soo and Wang Wook love.  I have turned a new leaf by just watching how Hae Soo's love for Wang Wook  develope and falter as the drama progress. Even though I wasn't swayed by her love for WW I could not deny it.   I also agree with you that Yeonhwa is in fact in love with Wang So. Even though she could not look at him when WS removed he mask it was out of  shock and  because of how she was taught that BEAUTY IS THE WAY OF THE WORLD. 

@KdramaSwimmer  I agree with perspective of what was important in this episode. This episode made me realize that  Tae Jo doesn't hate his WS. I am so glad that he loves all his children but he can't just show it because of that evil richard simmons (Queen Yoo) he married. He sent his most trusted warrior to train his on in the art of War. Tae Jo planned well because General Park trusted his son and WS also respect him just the king has the same respect of the General.  The General is out spoken to both the present King and the future King.  So glad both you and @solelylurking have come to same conclusion.  Yeonhwa is in love with WS but she will never betray her brother because she loves him to and they both have suffered and can't forget the pain they had suffered in the past. It is because of her she couldn't wait to get rid of her once her SIL died because she saw how Hae Soo affected Wang So. Even WW seen how she has affected his scarred brother. Even WW knows his sisters feelings for WS. He can deny she wants WS for power but her knows it's because  of her feelings are genuine. 

 

Thank you so much for the compliments. I'm glad you change your perspective. Don't think too bad of Wook. He can meke you grind your teeth or slam head to wall but he is genuinely in love with Hae Soo. Please wait for his transformation.. It's still under construction for now B)

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@UnniSarah Yes dear, I agree with you. As much as I try to understand wook personality I do get frustrated with his way sometimes. He's getting too used being a distant observant that his actions might come off as a passive bystander unwilling to get involved in other people problems. But in his perspective, he just buying some time to prepare his careful action. He's unaware that there are certain situations that calls immediate response to be effective. Also he needs to realise that there's no such thing as "perfect timing" in real life. If you wait only for this to come, you will miss the cue and lost your chance. 

I think wook getting too used to the fact that eventually people will come to him asking for his help. So in other words, without any requests he will not take any action towards anything. He never initiate an action. 

Case in point, when haesoo marriage fiasco happen he himself feels rather confused and helpless on what to do. Only when his brother made a big fuss about it, he finally relents, think of a plan and ask for their cooperation to rescue her. He needs a general consensus of support just to take an action. 

So yes, wook safe-passive way is ineffective and impractical sometimes. 

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Really i can't wait for Monday, i want to see WS and HS moment again, i can see his hug to HS so tight...i hope this moment happen after HS and WW scene in cave, so HS is starting falling for WS \^0^/ There're so many scenes between WS and HS we should wait, it's killing me...

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8 minutes ago, kilovekyo said:

Really i can't wait for Monday, i want to see WS and HS moment again, i can see his hug to HS so tight...i hope this moment happen after HS and WW scene in cave, so HS is starting falling for WS \^0^/ There're so many scenes between WS and HS we should wait, it's killing me...

Chingu @kilovekyo.. I was just thinking the same thing. It would be great timing and I think It does happen before the rain. Because in his mind he thinks when it rains, he can approach his father about WW and HaeSoo. But while it is raining Hae Soo and Wang So meets and he pulls her towards him for a hug.   devil laugh leafin love leafvictory sign leaf

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9 minutes ago, kilovekyo said:

Really i can't wait for Monday, i want to see WS and HS moment again, i can see his hug to HS so tight...i hope this moment happen after HS and WW scene in cave, so HS is starting falling for WS \^0^/ There're so many scenes between WS and HS we should wait, it's killing me...

I do hope this drama gives us more time for the leading persons......I don't say that the other scene is not important....but most people come to a drama because the relationship of the lead male and female.....

When we review the previous episodes......it's really hard to see HS and WS together in one scene.....except ep 4....:sweatingbullets:

 

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K-Drama 'Scarlet Heart Ryeo' Episode 8 Spoilers: Prince Wang Wook tries to hide his jealousy

SBS drama "Scarlet Heart Ryeo" enters the second half of its season, and intrigue between two princes is escalating. The new episode will reveal open competition between Princes Wang Wook and Wang So to win Hae Soo's heart.

Hae Soo (Lee Ji-Eun) with 4th prince Wang Wook (Kang Ha-Neul ) in a screen capture from drama "Scarlet Heart Ryeo."

SBS drama "Scarlet Heart Ryeo" enters the second half of its season, and intrigue between two princes is escalating. The new episode will reveal open competition between Princes Wang Wook and Wang So to win Hae Soo's heart.

The drama "Scarlet Heart Ryeo" is set in Goryeo dynasty who ruled ancient Korea. Singer IU stars in the drama and using her real name Lee Ji-Eun. While other cast members are Lee Joon-Gi, Kang Ha-Neul, EXO singer Byun Baekhyun and Jo Min-Ki. Aside from Baekhyun, his senior idol Seohyun from Girls' Generation also plays in the drama as reported by allkpop.

"Scarlet Heart Ryeo" which also has working title "Moon Lovers" has unique story. Ha-Jin (Ji-Eun), a 25-year old woman in modern day was drown in a lake when there is a solar eclipse. As she resurface she finds herself in 10th century Goryeo Dynasty in a body of a 16-year old Hae Soo, a cousin of Lady Hae (Park Si-Eun), who married to 8th Prince of Goryeo Dynasty Wang Wook (Kang). Lady Hae is ill so she took Hae Su to accompany her in the palace.

Hae-Soo began to develop a feeling to 4th Prince Wang So (Joon-Gi), who wears a mask to cover his scar on the left side of his face. Prince Wang So is known as mysterious and fearsome person, which successfully portrayed by Joon-Gi according to Drama Fever

When Hae-Soo's cousin Lady Hae passed away, she was arranged to marry Prince Wang Wook. She refuses the arranged marriage and she receives help from princes. As a result, her status is downgraded to court lady, which force her to learn all skills that a court lady must have - makeup, literacy, medicine and others.

All actors and actresses in "Scarlet Heart Ryeo" make all out performances. In an interview with Naver, Joon-Gi said that although the mask help his character, it gives him trouble to control his perception because it cover half of his face.

Watch the intense competition between 4th Prince Wang So and 8th Prince Wang Wook in Episode 8 of "Scarlet Heart Ryeo," airing next Monday, Sept. 19 on SBS.

http://www.hngn.com/articles/206090/20160915/k-drama-scarlet-heart-ryeo-episode-8-spoilers-wang-wook-jealousy.htm

5 hours ago, ruzikie said:

 

this is Wang So and Soo ? Why he suddenly wear the white color ? Isn't Wookie instead ? @violet90

Since that man do not have bun on top of his head...Yes I think its So....oh yeah..progressing  skinship....kekekekekeke  05

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19 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

@bingewatcherinsomniac There is another example about Wang So's dark personality in the episode 7: it was when he mentioned the tree pat-pat. First, the name shows us that he had come to like or admire that tree (the nickname), but when he was confronted with a difficult situation (he was sent to the biggest den of wolves), he decided to sacrifice the tree in order to survive and get rid of the wolves. He burnt the mountain with this tree. He doesn't explain the whole situation to Hae Soo as he realises that she might get upset. However, the story reveals a lot about Wang So: he is not afraid of sacrifying something close to him if it is for his survival or the so called good cause: the crown and his family. 

 

What about Haesoo? T2NXaV9.gif what would he sacrifice in order to be with her? T2NXaV9.gifmy fan girl's imagination just gone wild T2NXaV9.gif

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3 hours ago, mynameiswat said:

In the Chinese version, 4th Prince taught Ruoxi how to write. In this version, what will 4th Prince teach Hae Soo? Or, what if they switched it around, and made Hae Soo teach 4th Prince something. And then, at the end, Hae Soo will finally realize how much affection and love 4th Prince has for her. :huh:

He teach HS to write his name..with him holding her hand and direct her hand...um...it's that teaching or romancing ...LOL

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